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Why should the string "Prayers Pique Emotions" have been deleted?

 

One would suppose that this deletion traces to the TD's new, and in my opinion inexplicably dense, policy of shunting to Facebook those posts that deal with content from the TD.

 

I went to considerable effort to reply to lexum on that string, only to find the string deleted.   I reproduce below my reply for his edification and for the general public benefit.  I also invite those on this forum who wish to participate in the TD's Facebook arrangement to visit this topic at http://www.niuzer.com/debates/...e-emotions-1547.html

 

Originally Posted by lexum:

breaking what law adot?

 

   would you please quote that law you keep referring to?

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A little lesson for you, lexum.  It is called CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.

 

Constitutional Law
Constitutional law deals with the interpretation and implementation of the United States Constitution. As the Constitution is the foundation of the United States, Constitutional law deals with some of the fundamental relationships within our society, which includes relationships among the states, the states and the federal government, the three branches (The Executive, Legislature, Judiciary) of the federal government, and the rights (e.g., human rights and civil rights) of the individual in relation to both federal and state government. 

http://www.statelawyers.com/Pr...fm/PracticeTypeID:22

 

You and others similarly misinformed need to disabuse yourselves of the naive and simplistic notion that there is no law governing a particular activity unless such a law can be found within the covers of some compilation of statutes.  You will find no law on the books of Lauderdale County or the State of Alabama expressly prohibiting government-controlled prayer in public schools.  It is not necessary to have such a law in order for effectuate the First Amendment of the Constitution.  Where actions contrary to the Constitution, as determined by controlling decisions of the U.S. Supreme Court or lower courts, are involved, there is no requirement that there must be some meticulously-detailed enabling legislation before the law can be enforced against such unlawful actions. 

 

You may now discontinue your petty and wrongheaded demand for "that law."

 

Now, from another perspective, you and others need to be advised that there actually IS a federal law that sets forth permissive requirements for public schools with respect to "constitutionally protected prayer in public elementary schools and secondary schools." This is your government at work to help ensure that public school systems do not interfere with student-led and student initiated prayers in the public schools.

 

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TITLE 20 > CHAPTER 70 > SUBCHAPTER IX > Part E > subpart 2 > § 7904

§ 7904. SCHOOL PRAYER

 
(a) Guidance
The Secretary shall provide and revise guidance, not later than September 1, 2002, and of every second year thereafter, to State educational agencies, local educational agencies, and the public on constitutionally protected prayer in public elementary schools and secondary schools, including making the guidance available on the Internet. The guidance shall be reviewed, prior to distribution, by the Office of Legal Counsel of the Department of Justice for verification that the guidance represents the current state of the law concerning constitutionally protected prayer in public elementary schools and secondary schools.
(b) Certification
As a condition of receiving funds under this chapter, a local educational agency shall certify in writing to the State educational agency involved that no policy of the local educational agency prevents, or otherwise denies participation in, constitutionally protected prayer in public elementary schools and secondary schools, as detailed in the guidance required under subsection (a) of this section. The certification shall be provided by October 1 of each year. The State educational agency shall report to the Secretary by November 1 of each year a list of those local educational agencies that have not filed the certification or against which complaints have been made to the State educational agency that the local educational agencies are not in compliance with this section.
(c) Enforcement
The Secretary is authorized and directed to effectuate subsection (b) of this section by issuing, and securing compliance with, rules or orders with respect to a local educational agency that fails to certify, or is found to have certified in bad faith, that no policy of the local educational agency prevents, or otherwise denies participation in, constitutionally protected prayer in public elementary schools and secondary schools.
 
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As a matter of related interest, the federal law I have pasted below helps assure protection of the constitutionally  protected rights of public school students to engage in "prayer and meditation in public schools."
 
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TITLE 20 > CHAPTER 68 > SUBCHAPTER X > Part A > § 6061
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§ 6061. SCHOOL PRAYER

 
No funds authorized to be appropriated under this chapter may be used by any State or local educational agency to adopt policies that prevent voluntary prayer and meditation in public schools.
 
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Again, Lexum,  for you and other theocratically-inclined advocates of "putting prayer back in our schools," be advised that prayer, and meditation for that matter, have not been banned from the public schools. What has been rightfully prohibited is prayer in public schools that is devised, required, instigated, controlled or otherwise imposed by GOVERNMENT, that "government" being the public school system, an arm of the civil government.That kind of prayer is not and should not be constitutionally protected.
 
I continue to be amazed and amused by persons from the ultraconservative dimension who argue that "government is best which governs least" and who allegedly want the government to stay out of their private lives, but who are  nevertheless willing to permit government to tell their children when to pray, to whom to pray, in whose name to pray,and  what to pray for or about.  Consistency is indeed a rare jewel in these contentious times.
 

 

I yam what I yam and that's all I yam--but it is enough!

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