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What happens when you are so convinced that something is real and refuse to listen to reason? Well, sometimes people die.

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"Jenny McCarthy has a body count attached to her name. This website will publish the total number of vaccine preventable illnesses and vaccine preventable deaths that have happened since June 2007 when she began publicly speaking out against vaccines."
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it's amazing how many fields people become expert in when they get famous. not.

i'm sorry jenny's son is autistic, whatever caused it, but the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks. i feel bad for anyone who does have a bad reaction to one, but that slight possibility has to be weighed against the fact that vaccination spares thousands from terrible illnesses and death.

those charts are pretty scary, cookie.
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Originally posted by hoss gal:
i'm sorry jenny's son is autistic, whatever caused it, but the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks.


Agree 100%, of course. But you don't just have my agreement, you also have a whole mountain range of evidence that proves beyond a doubt that:

1.) There is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that vaccinations cause autism.

2.) None.

The kicker is this: It is widely believed that McCarthy's child is not even autistic but has a condition called "spectrum disorder." She has recently claimed that her son was "cured" of Autism after treating him with homeopathic medicine.

The fact is that no one is ever "cured" of autism. It is for good.
That woman really irks me....on several levels. And i'm not the only parent of an autistic child that feels that way.
I, and many others, wanted to think vaccines were the culprit when it came to autism..... afterall, knowing the cause of something is a major step in finding a cure, or prevention for others in the future, but studies have convinced me that vaccines have nothing to do with autism. Like DF said, it's a coincidence of age.
IMO, McCarthy's stance is endangering children. And her publicity for "curing" her autistic child doesn't sit right with some of us parents, either. I'll admit, for myself and other parents i've talked to, that some of it is jealousy....afterall, few of us have her money and resources, and her child was only mildly autistic to begin with.
We are very happy that her child is doing so well, but McCarthy's situation is on a different level than that of us "common" folk.
Those of us with autistic children more severe than hers see her situation as being similar to someone with a mild tension headache telling someone with a migraine how they can cure it with an aspirin.
Having seen Ms. McCarthy on several different shows, I can honestly say she makes sense. I've never heard her say NOT to get vaccinations, just to spread them out more than what they are doing now. I think there is about 3 times the amount of vaccinations given now than there were just 20 years ago. What she says makes sense. Instead of bombarding the little ones with all those injections, come up with a better vaccination schedule.
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Originally posted by redbull:
What she says makes sense. Instead of bombarding the little ones with all those injections, come up with a better vaccination schedule.


No, it doesn't make sense. There is absolutely positively no correlation between vaccinations and autism, Period.

There is absolutely positively no correlation between the type of mercury they used to use as a preservative in vaccines and autism. Period.

She makes absolutely no sense, Redbull. None at all. That the point of the Body Count site.

All of this will go right over the heads of people who insist on getting their medical advice from a Playboy Playmate or Oprah instead of a medical doctor.
Come on guys! She was on Oprah, Oprah I tell you! Doesn't a ringing endorsement from "O" guarantee truthiness? And wasn't she Playmate of the Year or something? Isn't that tantamount to an Ivy League education?

Seriously, I don't have a child with autism and probably have no right to really speak on this. But I do have empathy for parents that must deal with this reality. If Jenny would redirect the focus to more funding for research and at least make it clear that her conclusion is her opinion only, that would be helpful.

I've heard that there may be a familial connection to autism. There have been countless families on the news with several children that have developed autism. Makes you wonder if there's a gene or something that predisposes and needs a trigger (though probably not vaccines).
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Originally posted by Wild Irish Prose:
...I've heard that there may be a familial connection to autism. There have been countless families on the news with several children that have developed autism. Makes you wonder if there's a gene or something that predisposes and needs a trigger (though probably not vaccines).


For many years parents of an autistic child have been told that they have a greater than average chance of having another autistic child.
So my thinking has always leaned in that direction.
And even though my sons's father was honor roll, same career (Dee jay sports/caster) for 40+ years, etc. I honestly believe if, as a child (or even young adult) he had been tested using the same autism "yardstick" that is now used, he would have fallen somewhere in the autism spectrum because of his lack of social skills, and his savant-ness (if that's a word) in the field of sports.... but ignorance when it came to many common day-to-day living skills.
Also, on his side of the family (which is extremely small) there is a severely autistic nephew.
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Originally posted by Cookey:
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Originally posted by redbull:
What she says makes sense. Instead of bombarding the little ones with all those injections, come up with a better vaccination schedule.


No, it doesn't make sense. There is absolutely positively no correlation between vaccinations and autism, Period.

There is absolutely positively no correlation between the type of mercury they used to use as a preservative in vaccines and autism. Period.

She makes absolutely no sense, Redbull. None at all. That the point of the Body Count site.

All of this will go right over the heads of people who insist on getting their medical advice from a Playboy Playmate or Oprah instead of a medical doctor.


You say tomato, I say tomahto. I think it does make sense not to give so many shots to babies. The process of spreading them out more makes sense - even if it doesn't cause autism.
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Originally posted by ^PuF^:
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Originally posted by Wild Irish Prose:
...I've heard that there may be a familial connection to autism. There have been countless families on the news with several children that have developed autism. Makes you wonder if there's a gene or something that predisposes and needs a trigger (though probably not vaccines).


For many years parents of an autistic child have been told that they have a greater than average chance of having another autistic child.
So my thinking has always leaned in that direction.
And even though my sons's father was honor roll, same career (Dee jay sports/caster) for 40+ years, etc. I honestly believe if, as a child (or even young adult) he had been tested using the same autism "yardstick" that is now used, he would have fallen somewhere in the autism spectrum because of his lack of social skills, and his savant-ness (if that's a word) in the field of sports.... but ignorance when it came to many common day-to-day living skills.
Also, on his side of the family (which is extremely small) there is a severely autistic nephew.


PUF - I have a cousin who married a man with autism and they have a son with autism. What you say makes sense.

Perhaps is seems more prevalent now (especially mild autism) because of the difference in parenting and discipline techniques and the super-quick-to-medicate-the-child doctors out there.
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Originally posted by Basement Cat:
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Originally posted by ^PuF^:
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Originally posted by Wild Irish Prose:
...I've heard that there may be a familial connection to autism. There have been countless families on the news with several children that have developed autism. Makes you wonder if there's a gene or something that predisposes and needs a trigger (though probably not vaccines).


For many years parents of an autistic child have been told that they have a greater than average chance of having another autistic child.
So my thinking has always leaned in that direction.
And even though my sons's father was honor roll, same career (Dee jay sports/caster) for 40+ years, etc. I honestly believe if, as a child (or even young adult) he had been tested using the same autism "yardstick" that is now used, he would have fallen somewhere in the autism spectrum because of his lack of social skills, and his savant-ness (if that's a word) in the field of sports.... but ignorance when it came to many common day-to-day living skills.
Also, on his side of the family (which is extremely small) there is a severely autistic nephew.


PUF - I have a cousin who married a man with autism and they have a son with autism. What you say makes sense.

Perhaps is seems more prevalent now (especially mild autism) because of the difference in parenting and discipline techniques and the super-quick-to-medicate-the-child doctors out there.


and, IMO, many doctors are labeling children autistic just because they're different and don't fit into a certain mold....a mold defined by them and/or the parents. If you're not a cookie-cutter child, then there's something "wrong" with you.
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Originally posted by redbull:
You say tomato, I say tomahto. I think it does make sense not to give so many shots to babies. The process of spreading them out more makes sense - even if it doesn't cause autism.


No, what makes sense is to abide by the overwhelming, evidentially-supported advice of a trained medical practitioner. A doctor.

Heeding the advice of a stupid person will get you killed AND has the very real potential of unleashing "rare" diseases into the general population again.

Whooping cough is a very rare disease these days. Well, it was. This kind of outbreak is happening in various parts of the country right now as a direct result of people being stupid enough to heed the advice of people like McCarthy.

Link

This is REALITY, Redbull. You, your children, my children are all on the verge of major outbreaks as long as this kind of stupidity spreads.

THINK about it.

Early signs and symptoms
Once you become infected with the bacterium that causes whooping cough, it takes about three to 12 days for signs and symptoms to appear.

Later stage signs and symptoms
After a week or two, signs and symptoms become worse and usually include:

* Severe coughing attacks that bring up thick phlegm
* Coughing attacks — up to 15 coughs in a row — that end with a high-pitched "whoop" sound during the next breath of air
* In children, severe coughing that leads to vomiting or causes a red or blue face from the effort
* Fatigue from the exertion of coughing

These symptoms last from 6 to 10 WEEKS.
Puf, I have to say that I have much respect for you and moms like you. Being a parent is hard enough (not to mention scary as heck) without added challenges. I know that the therapy for autistic children (occupational, I assume) must be very expensive. I saw a report on the news the other night focusing on a family with three boys that were autistic. The piece was about lack of coverage for much needed services from insurance companies. This poor family agonized over which child would get the therapy and which month because they couldn't afford it for all three at one time.

There's someone in my life very close to me that has a disability rendering him unable to work. Though I'm not equating it with autism (which I know is thought to be a neurodevelopmental disorder), I do understand the frustration of trying to get services (i.e. therapy instead of just a Rx) covered under (in his case) medicaid. It's a shame that resources are so scarce for those that need it most.

I don't know your particular situation, but if you don't have the resources of celebs like Jenny McCarthy, it's difficult to get the help you need.

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