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Hi to my Forum Friends,

In the discussion "This Article Was Written For The Bill Gray's Of The World" my Friend, Sofa, quotes an article from the Huffington Post, the poster child for liberal writings, which lists the way that Christians fail at being Christian. And, in this discussion, StarryNight declares that Jesus Christ is a Liberal. When I asked him/her to show me in the Bible proof that Jesus Christ is a Liberal -- as expected, before Starry has a chance to take a breath -- Ying and Yang, better known as Sofa and VP, fly in with their answers to the question I had asked of Starry.

So, let's take this opportunity to better understand and discuss Sofa's reasoning on why He believes Jesus Christ is a Liberal.

Sofa, you tell me, "Not even you could turn me away from God, Bill. But the fence sitters? Not so much. What in the hell do you think people will say to your constant, "Believe what I say or else!" message? You are infected with PRIDE, Bill. I pray the Lord will give you a dose of humility to bring you back to earth before it is too late."

But, Sofa, my Friend, the question is: which God are you worshiping -- the God of the Bible -- or the God of the Traditions and Rituals?

Next, you tell me, "Yes, Bill, Jesus was the epitome of a modern day liberal. He championed programs for the poor. He was a pacifist. He believed in taking care of the earth."

John 2:13-17, "Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers' money and overturned the tables. And He said to those who sold doves, 'Take these things away! Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!' Then His disciples remembered that it was written, 'Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up.'"

Yes, sir, Jesus was really a PACIFIST. You can really see it in this Scripture passage. I would not want to get on the wrong side of such a "pacifist."

Then, you tell me, "He didn't have one single word to say about homosexuality but surely would have preached acceptance in order to bring them into the fold, too."

Not one single word, right? Well, let me see. I believe you can find a reference to homosexuality in Leviticus 18:22 (an abomination) -- Leviticus 20:13 (a detestable act) -- Romans 1:26 (degrading passions, unnatural) -- Romans 1:27 (indecent acts) -- 1 Timothy 1:10 (contrary to sound teaching) -- 1 Corinthians 6:9 (shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God). Not a word, right?

Seems to me that God had quite a bit to say about homosexuality. Oh, you say, "But, Jesus is not quoted in the Bible as saying anything against homosexuality?" The last time I checked: Jesus is God, God authored the Bible -- therefore, Jesus, i.e., God, had a lot to say about homosexuality. He wrote it throughout the Bible -- and, as He tells us, Scripture does not change.

On the other hand, YES, He does want to bring them into the fold. All they have to do, which is the same for you and me, is to turn from their worldly lifestyle, i.e., repent, and turn to follow Him. If anyone, homosexual, heterosexual, whatever -- does this; sincerely repents, sincerely turns from the world and becomes a Christ Follower; that person is saved and WILL spend eternity in heaven with Jesus Christ.

You tell me, "He, as I, would frown upon the modern day 'success theology,' country club atmosphere and exclusivity of most churches today."

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! No one on the Religion Forum has spoken more against the "Prosperity Theology" preachers than me. I detest them, I abhor them, and I cringe every time I see them reaching into the purses and wallets of the less fortunate to get money to pay for their homes and Rolls Royces. One day these people WILL stand before Jesus Christ to answer for this. Enough said.

Then, you declare, "Jesus was a pluralist Liberal who taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion, and life."

Well, let me see. What is one of the most glaring attributes of a Liberal Theology proponent? I would say the most obvious is their inclination to put the Bible in a lower position of authority -- below their books of Traditions, Rituals, and man-written Prayer Books. In other words, Liberals deny at least three of the Solas, and many deny all five Solas:

1. Sola scriptura -- "by Scripture alone"
2. Sola fide -- "by faith alone"
3. Sola gratia -- "by grace alone"
4. Solus Christus or Solo Christo -- "Christ alone" or "through Christ alone"
5. Soli Deo gloria -- "glory to God alone"

Jesus Christ's life and ministry declared these teachings to be true, over and over. Therefore, there is NO WAY anyone could accuse Jesus Christ of being a Liberal Theology follower.

You tell us, "He rejected greed, violence, the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth without social balance, and the personal judging of others, their lifestyles and beliefs."

How true. Except for the violence, possibly; that is a perfect description of the Prosperity Theology Preachers I mentioned before.

Then, you say, "Over and over again, He taught us to believe in and live a spiritual and ethical life based in our essential, inherent goodness."

Man does not have any inherent goodness; man is inherently sinful. We all live under the sin curse brought upon us by Adam. If you recall, we read in Romans 3:10, "As it is written, 'There is none righteous, NOT EVEN ONE.'"

And, in Romans 3:23, "For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

No, man is inherently sinful -- and that is why Jesus Christ came to die on the cross; for no man was found righteous enough to pay his own sin debt to God. And, that is why we must turn from the world and become Christ Followers if we are to receive the "free gift" of His righteousness to cover us.

And, you tell me, "What Jesus promoted was succinct set of spiritual principals and a way of life based upon the of love, compassion, tolerance, and a strong belief in the importance in giving and of generosity to those in need."

Yes, Jesus taught all of these and we are told that these attributes are the "fruit of our salvation." These things, these "works" cannot give us salvation. No matter how many good works one does; he/she cannot earn salvation through his works. You CANNOT work enough to earn salvation, to earn entrance into heaven. However, He offers salvation as a "free gift" (Ephesians 2:8-9) to all who will believe and receive it (John 1:12).

And, when one has accepted His "free gift" of salvation -- those attributes you list should flow from us as the "fruit of our salvation."

Now, you tell me, "In short, he was the antithesis of everything you stand for, sir. You have no compassion, are intolerant of anything or anyone who disagrees with you, and you shun and berate those who are most in need of Jesus' love. You are an enemy of Christ."

Quite the contrary. Everything I expound comes from the Bible He gave me. By the way, He also gave the Bible to you. Wipe off the dust and take a look inside.

While I do have many sins and am not worthy of His love; thank God, I am a child of God -- and have the promise of Jesus Christ that I will spend eternity with Him in heaven. You can find that promise in John 6:47.

I may be the enemy of the Christ you worship; however, I am comfortable in the arms of the Jesus Christ of the Bible. And, if you want, there is room in His arms for you also. And, one day, I will stand before Him and have to give account of all my actions and all my words. But, even then, in spite of me -- I have no doubt that He will hug me and welcome me home -- for I am a Christ Follower.

Finally, you declare, "In fact, I can't think of anything that would label Him as a modern day conservative. Can you?"

Yep, I sure can. Maybe you should hit the RETURN TO TOP button and reread what I have written in this post. You see, Jesus will be the first to tell you that the Bible is the "inspired, inerrant, literal Written Word of God." That alone makes Him a great Conservative!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by StarryNight:
Maybe you should read the book "Jesus Was a Liberal: Reclaiming Christianity for All" by Rev. Scotty McLellan.

An author much more qualified on the subject than you!

Hi Starry,

You really have to be kidding! This guy was educated at Yale, Harvard, and works in the Religion Department at Stanford -- all pits of Liberalism.

And, to make matters worse -- he is a minister in a Cult Church -- the Unitarian Universalist church. This is the MOST unChristian church ever to be called a church.

Are you aware that many of the signers of the Humanist Manifestos, the bible of atheism and secularism -- were Unitarian Universalist ministers?

This is not meant as a put down, Starry -- but, your source is more out in Left Field than Barry Obama.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I have some friends who are Unitarians and they are wonderful people. I have been the church myself. Sorry but they make more sense than you do.

Hi Starry,

I have not said that people in the Unitarian Universalist church are not good people. Hey, I even know some atheist who are good people. That is not the point.

In a discussion of Christianity; the atheist are as close to being Christian as the Unitarians.

You say they make more sense than me; it all depends upon what one is looking to find. If you want Christianity; you will not find it in a Unitarian Universalist church.

So, when you suggest I read a book about Christianity -- written by a Unitarian Universalist pastor; you might as well recommend I read Richard Dawkins to learn about Jesus Christ.

We all have to choose which path to follow in this life. I choose one that will give me eternal life with Jesus Christ. You have to choose your own path.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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In short, he was the antithesis of everything you stand for, sir. You have no compassion, are intolerant of anything or anyone who disagrees with you, and you shun and berate those who are most in need of Jesus' love. You are an enemy of Christ."


Yep, SK.Or should I call you Ying. Or do you want to be Yang??
. You nailed it.
I just hope the many forum readers who do not comment are wise enough to recognize the serpent.
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1. Sola scriptura -- "by Scripture alone"
2. Sola fide -- "by faith alone"
3. Sola gratia -- "by grace alone"
4. Solus Christus or Solo Christo -- "Christ alone" or "through Christ alone"
5. Soli Deo gloria -- "glory to God alone"


That these solas have a Latin name seems to imply that they are a set, i.e., a group of points, that is to say, "traditional teachings." Of Martin Luther! And Calvin has TULIP.

Is Billy Gee ,who is not my lover, mean that we should follow Martin Luther and his liturgy and belief in the Real Presence at the Holy Eucharist and keep the Apostolic Succession? Sure sounds like it to me! Bless you Billy Gee for coming over from the dark side!
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1. Sola scriptura -- "by Scripture alone"
2. Sola fide -- "by faith alone"
3. Sola gratia -- "by grace alone"
4. Solus Christus or Solo Christo -- "Christ alone" or "through Christ alone"
5. Soli Deo gloria -- "glory to God alone"

That these solas have a Latin name seems to imply that they are a set, i.e., a group of points, that is to say, "traditional teachings." Of Martin Luther! And Calvin has TULIP.

Is Billy Gee, who is not my lover, mean that we should follow Martin Luther and his liturgy and belief in the Real Presence at the Holy Eucharist and keep the Apostolic Succession? Sure sounds like it to me! Bless you Billy Gee for coming over from the dark side!

Hi Neal/Aude,

Welcome back. No, if you would ever read my post BEFORE you write your caustic responses -- you will see that I am saying, as do all who worship God/Jesus Christ, and not the church organization -- is that, in today's more open Roman Catholic community, and other liturgical churches; many folks can and do become born again Christians.

But, like Dr. Pezzotta writes and teaches; those who do will most likely feel the need to get out of that dogma and find a local Protestant church where they can follow Jesus Christ and not a Pope or a Bishop.

Neal, you are a fairly intelligent fellow; you really should read Dr. Pezzotta's book, "Truth Encounter." I have another Friend who left Catholicism after reading it; maybe you can find your way to the real cross also by reading it. It's worth a try.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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You say they make more sense than me; it all depends upon what one is looking to find. If you want Christianity; you will not find it in a Unitarian Universalist church.



Bill, the UU church is, BY DEFINITION, open to all faiths. The prayers or meditations are generally designed to speak to all faiths and even those with none.

Yes, you certainly will meet plenty of Christians in a UU church. You will also generally find people who are open to ideas from other faiths in their search for truth.

But, yeah, you'll probably never see anyone that subscribes to your primitive beliefs but you'd be welcomed if you did.

(I'm not a UU but I've visited with friends and find it quite intellectually stimulating)
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maybe you can find your way to the real cross also by reading it. It's worth a try.


Wow, Bill. Nice. I'm sure God is most pleased with you for that. Don't presume to know anyone else's relationship with God. Faith is known to God alone! You are treading on very thin ice with statements such as this. You should pray for forgiveness. And, once again, kudos for being the only human being who truly knows that HE has it all right. Good for you! Roll Eyes
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Neal, you are a fairly intelligent fellow; you really should read Dr. Pezzotta's book, "Truth Encounter." I have another Friend who left Catholicism after reading it; maybe you can find your way to the real cross also by reading it. It's worth a try.

Wow, Bill. Nice. I'm sure God is most pleased with you for that. Don't presume to know anyone else's relationship with God. Faith is known to God alone! You are treading on very thin ice with statements such as this. You should pray for forgiveness. And, once again, kudos for being the only human being who truly knows that HE has it all right. Good for you!

Hi VP,

You are right that I need to confess -- every day. But, I have an advantage over you. You see, I can confess regardless of where I am; for my prayers are going straight to the ONLY Mediator between me and God, Jesus Christ.

On the other hand, you have to run to church or somewhere else to find a priest. Otherwise, you can't confess.

But, if you will read Dr. Pezzotta's book "Truth Encounter" -- maybe you can learn to confess without a priest. Then, my Friend, you will be talking directly with our High Priest, Jesus Christ.

You tell me, "Don't presume to know anyone else's relationship with God. Faith is known to God alone!"

That is true. However, the "fruit" of a person's salvation is most often quite obvious -- like a big flag waving, saying, "I am a Christian believer! I am a Christ Follower! My life is a reflection of that saving faith! Praise the Lord!"

And, it is true that not all wave their flags as high as others; some are actually Christian couch potatoes. But, even there -- the "fruit" seeps out.

Yes, my Friend, while we may not recognize all Christian believer because their fruit is muted; we can usually recognize those who are following the world, instead of Christ. Usually, their fruit is very tart.

But, thank you for your concern. Please do continue to pray for me. But, please direct them to Jesus, no one else. I am more interested in effective prayers.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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But, I have an advantage over you


That kind of pride and self righteousness might just be your downfall.
Be careful!

"But, please direct them to Jesus, no one else. I am more interested in effective prayers."

Every Christian Prayer, as least in my world ends with 'in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit". I feel the need to warn you against the danger in presuming to say one person's prayer is more effective than another. Wow, Bill. You are more twisted than I thought. I don't know a Catholic, or Christian that would ever say anything so nasty.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
"You are right that I need to confess -- every day. But, I have an advantage over you. You see, I can confess regardless of where I am; for my prayers are going straight to the ONLY Mediator between me and God, Jesus Christ.

That kind of pride and self righteousness might just be your downfall. Be careful!
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Originally posted by Bill Gray: "But, thank you for your concern. Please do continue to pray for me. But, please direct them to Jesus, no one else. I am more interested in effective prayers."

Every Christian Prayer, as least in my world ends with 'in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit". I feel the need to warn you against the danger in presuming to say one person's prayer is more effective than another. Wow, Bill. You are more twisted than I thought. I don't know a Catholic, or Christian that would ever say anything so nasty.

Hi VP,

Yes, we are told to pray to the Father, in the name of Jesus. But, nowhere in the Bible are we told to pray to Mary, Joseph, Peter, or any other Old Testament or modern day mortal human who is dead. We pray to God; we pray to Jesus; we petition the Holy Spirit. But, no one else -- period!

Do you notice what a difference it makes when you do not pull just a few words from what someone has written -- but, instead show the whole statement? Makes quite a difference; unless, by cherry picking you are purposely attempting to change the intent of the statement. You do the same thing when you quote the Bible.

James 5:16, "Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much."

The Bible teaches about "effective prayers" -- so, why shouldn't I mention effective prayers? Does this mean that God favors one person above another? No. But, I would imagine it is speaking of one who cares enough about the person for whom he/she is praying -- that he/she will speak from their hearts -- and not just repeat a pre-written prayer from a Prayer Book or rosary instruction.

So, what is effective prayer? It is when you sincerely get serious and talk with God about your friend's needs. Am I being arrogant or heretical to say this? Not really; for it comes from the Bible.

And, by the way -- when James 5:16 tells us, ". . .confess your sins to one another. . ." -- this is speaking of accountability, one Christian holding another accountable -- which comes from two or more Christians who will become Accountability Partners to help each other stay on the Christian path. This Scripture verse is NOT, in any way, telling people to find a priest for confession. Any Christian brother or sister will do -- no fancy robes, small confessionals, or mandatory penance required.

My Friend, you are so mired in religion -- that you are forgetting that salvation is a "relationship" with Jesus Christ; not religious traditions and rituals.

Take another look at Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- NOT as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

For some reason, you seem to read this Scripture passage -- but, you do not believe it. This passage, my Friend, is your ticket to heaven. For it points you straight to Jesus Christ and His "free gift" of salvation. The key word is: GIFT!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Yes, my Friend, while we may not recognize all Christian believer because their fruit is muted; we can usually recognize those who are following the world, instead of Christ. Usually, their fruit is very tart.

Ironic. When you look in a mirror, you probably don't even see your own reflection, Bill.

Hi Sofa,

How are you doing in sharing the Gospel today? Have you taken the time to tell ANYONE about Jesus Christ and His plan for our salvation?

Remember, in Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15, and many other places in the Bible -- we are told to Go, Make Disciples, Teach Them, Be His witnesses in all the world.

How has your witnessing been today?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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two years olds like goldfish crackers. they cannot understand that EVERYONE does not like goldfish crackers, because if THEY like goldfish crackers, EVERYONE should like them, right?

Hi DD,

Two year old children understand very little -- much like the non-believer who has no spiritual discernment of God, His creation, or the Bible.

1 Corinthians 13:11, "When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things."

DD, you might want to seriously consider this Scripture verse.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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two years olds like goldfish crackers. they cannot understand that EVERYONE does not like goldfish crackers, because if THEY like goldfish crackers, EVERYONE should like them, right?

Hi DD,

Two year old children understand very little -- much like the non-believer who has no spiritual discernment of God, His creation, or the Bible.

1 Corinthians 13:11, "When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things."

DD, you might want to seriously consider this Scripture verse.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill



That is the point. 2yr olds understand very little. Just as fundamental Christians believe their way is the ONLY way.

There is a lot of insight in the teachings of Jesus. He talks about many universal truths. I am not saying to throw the baby out with the bath water.

You have a great deal of arrogance to question/judge my spirituality.

Jesus was a liberal, not a politician.
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Originally posted by dd75:
two years olds like goldfish crackers. they cannot understand that EVERYONE does not like goldfish crackers, because if THEY like goldfish crackers, EVERYONE should like them, right?

Hi DD,

Two year old children understand very little -- much like the non-believer who has no spiritual discernment of God, His creation, or the Bible.

1 Corinthians 13:11, "When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things."

DD, you might want to seriously consider this Scripture verse.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

That is the point. 2yr olds understand very little. Just as fundamental Christians believe their way is the ONLY way.

There is a lot of insight in the teachings of Jesus. He talks about many universal truths. I am not saying to throw the baby out with the bath water.

You have a great deal of arrogance to question/judge my spirituality.

Jesus was a liberal, not a politician.

Hi DD,

You are not a believer, you do not study the Bible. Yet, you are an expert on the teachings of the Bible and the thinking of Jesus Christ.

That is interesting.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by dd75:
two years olds like goldfish crackers. they cannot understand that EVERYONE does not like goldfish crackers, because if THEY like goldfish crackers, EVERYONE should like them, right?

Hi DD,

Two year old children understand very little -- much like the non-believer who has no spiritual discernment of God, His creation, or the Bible.

1 Corinthians 13:11, "When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things."

DD, you might want to seriously consider this Scripture verse.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

That is the point. 2yr olds understand very little. Just as fundamental Christians believe their way is the ONLY way.

There is a lot of insight in the teachings of Jesus. He talks about many universal truths. I am not saying to throw the baby out with the bath water.

You have a great deal of arrogance to question/judge my spirituality.

Jesus was a liberal, not a politician.

Hi DD,

You are not a believer, you do not study the Bible. Yet, you are an expert on the teachings of the Bible and the thinking of Jesus Christ.

That is interesting.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


I am a believer. Just not subscribing to your illogical rants. You are just like every other narrow-minded-i-know-the-right-pass-phrase-therefore-i-am-holier-than-you-judgmental-right-wing-evangelical-know-it-all. It is people like this who have strayed so far away from the teachings of Jesus Christ, that Christianity as a whole as been completely tarnished.

All you can do is say "I see you are not a believer" or "You are not spiritual"

All I hear in your defense is some regurgitation of verses and your applications of such demonstrates YOUR lack of comprehension skills.

What is your game here, Bill. To quote scripture to the point that you feel you have earned the right to judge others, their salvation, and the content of their hearts?
Just a check of the dictionary will tell you the difference between a conservative and a liberal.
Short sum, a conservative is a person who desires to keep the status quo. NO CHANGE ! Things stay as they are reagardless.
A liberal is one who desires to change when needed.
Change is to be progressive.

Now, as I recall, Jesus was at odds, not with Rome, but with the religious establishment of the day. The religious establishment were the conservatives of the day. You know , the Scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees etc. They wanted NO CHANG as of course change would rock their world, so to speak.
On the other hand, Jesus was all about change from the establishment , and I could give lots of examples, but y'all all know.
So, was Jesus a conservative wanting to keep the Jewish laws, or was he Liberal who healed on the Sabbath, and even gathered grain to eat on the Sabbath.
You be the judge, change, or no change.
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Just a check of the dictionary will tell you the difference between a conservative and a liberal. Short sum, a conservative is a person who desires to keep the status quo. NO CHANGE ! Things stay as they are reagardless (sic). A liberal is one who desires to change when needed. Change is to be progressive.

Hi Seeweed,

The Bible has been the same for thousands of years -- but, you believe we should be "progressive" -- that we should update the Bible to meet our current societal standards -- right?

You are correct that this is truly "progressive" -- which is just another name for "liberal."

Liberal theology wants to make the Bible current with the desires of society.

Conservative theology believes that God was smart enough to get it right the first time -- and needs no editing or updating of His Written Word.

So, I will stay with the Bible as the inspired, inerrant, literal Written Word of God.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I am a believer. Just not subscribing to your illogical rants. You are just like every other narrow-minded-i-know-the-right-pass-phrase-therefore-i-am-holier-than-you-judgmental-right-wing-evangelical-know-it-all. It is people like this who have strayed so far away from the teachings of Jesus Christ, that Christianity as a whole as been completely tarnished.

All you can do is say "I see you are not a believer" or "You are not spiritual"

All I hear in your defense is some regurgitation of verses and your applications of such demonstrates YOUR lack of comprehension skills.

What is your game here, Bill. To quote scripture to the point that you feel you have earned the right to judge others, their salvation, and the content of their hearts?

Hi Seeweed,

I am truly happy to hear that you are a believer. But, just out of curiosity -- what church (not the specific church, but the denomination) do you attend? Or, do you attend?

Do you attend church regularly -- or are you one of these, as I was before I became a true believer -- who declares, "I am a Christian! But, I don't have to go to church to be a Christian!"

That is true. However, a true Christian would WANT TO go to church -- for that is where we gather with like minded believers to worship and fellowship with our Lord. Is that not necessary for you? Just curious.

You ask, "What is your game here, Bill. To quote scripture. . ."

Can you think of a better book to quote?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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