And I know that entire thing was politically motivated, but that's where these issues blend. God wants us to be free. He gave us free will... wants us to live free. We are not free when the gov't is deciding what happens with our earnings. The lower economical class become slaves to which ever party promises them more... "Oh.. Barry Obama said he'd extend welfare, and extend unemployment... that mean ol republican said he would cut taxes that would help rich people..".. see what I mean? That is evil.. pure and simple. The part sweet King Barry leaves out is that that evil ol rich person is who HIRES LOWER INCOME FOLKS!! If he gets higher taxes, he cuts more jobs. See the terrible cycle that comes there? I know it sounds like I'm being purely "political" there, but you must look at what is going on. This tactic has been used many many times over the centuries, and only evil comes from it. Yeah, it may work here in America... the first time ever in history... but maybe it does. But if it doesnt, I can promise you, none of us are ready to deal with what comes with it.
And if that's still to political then how about this....
Remember when you'd.. I don't know, wash the dishes, or vacuum the floor, or dust the coffee table to help out mom when you were little. She'd give you ten bucks. Now, I don't know if you are or ever were a church goer, but imagine you have that ten bucks and your mom tells you that you HAVE to give a dollar of it to the salvation army guy ringin the bell outside Wal-Mart, or in my case, drop that one tenth in the offering plate. But you had already planned out everything you were gonna do with it!!! For me it was a G.I. Joe, and a He-man, and a Hot Wheel!!! woo hoo!!! I'd get those and have enough to get a 25 cent peice of gum on my way out!! YAY!!.. but now that I'm being forced to give this buck at church, now I only got 9, and am gonna come up short one of those!!! So grumpily I drop that 1$ bill in the plate all while picturing that awesome white '68 Corvette Hott Wheel I couldnt get...... Now... Is that the right heart to give with??? Nope!! And that's from the perspective of a lil kid who has nothing to spend money on but toys. But an adult... married, mortgage, kids, 2 car payments, etc, etc....
charity should be a moral obligation to us all, but should never be a government mandate that enslaves us all.
Remember when you'd.. I don't know, wash the dishes, or vacuum the floor, or dust the coffee table to help out mom when you were little. She'd give you ten bucks. Now, I don't know if you are or ever were a church goer, but imagine you have that ten bucks and your mom tells you that you HAVE to give a dollar of it to the salvation army guy ringin the bell outside Wal-Mart, or in my case, drop that one tenth in the offering plate. But you had already planned out everything you were gonna do with it!!! For me it was a G.I. Joe, and a He-man, and a Hot Wheel!!! woo hoo!!! I'd get those and have enough to get a 25 cent peice of gum on my way out!! YAY!!.. but now that I'm being forced to give this buck at church, now I only got 9, and am gonna come up short one of those!!! So grumpily I drop that 1$ bill in the plate all while picturing that awesome white '68 Corvette Hott Wheel I couldnt get...... Now... Is that the right heart to give with??? Nope!! And that's from the perspective of a lil kid who has nothing to spend money on but toys. But an adult... married, mortgage, kids, 2 car payments, etc, etc....
charity should be a moral obligation to us all, but should never be a government mandate that enslaves us all.
Completely off the original topic, but Peter, I remember Hot Wheels, those were so cool....
Peter,
I never got paid for doing the chores around the house. If it was my night to wash dishes, I washed dishes. If my mom told me to clean up the living room and dust, that is what I did. The only compensation I got was a clean house and not getting a switching because I was lazy. So no, I actually don't know what you mean.
If I am understanding you correctly, you having to be charitable as a child bothered you then, and now as an adult you feel exactly the same.
My advice to you would be, grow up and stop being so dramatic.
I never got paid for doing the chores around the house. If it was my night to wash dishes, I washed dishes. If my mom told me to clean up the living room and dust, that is what I did. The only compensation I got was a clean house and not getting a switching because I was lazy. So no, I actually don't know what you mean.
If I am understanding you correctly, you having to be charitable as a child bothered you then, and now as an adult you feel exactly the same.
My advice to you would be, grow up and stop being so dramatic.
Wow jank nice
Peter, stop dirtying up our religion forum with your warped politics.
In other words, "GO AWAY!"
Oh, in case you misunderstood me, let me make myself clear:
GO AWAY! GO AWAY! GO AWAY! GET LOST! LEAVE! WE DON"T WANT YOU HERE! BEAT IT! GO BOTHER SOMEONE ELSE! TAKE A HIKE! DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT! DON'T LEAVE IN A HUFF - LEAVE IN A MINUTE AND A HUFF! In other words, GO AWAY!
In other words, "GO AWAY!"
Oh, in case you misunderstood me, let me make myself clear:
GO AWAY! GO AWAY! GO AWAY! GET LOST! LEAVE! WE DON"T WANT YOU HERE! BEAT IT! GO BOTHER SOMEONE ELSE! TAKE A HIKE! DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT! DON'T LEAVE IN A HUFF - LEAVE IN A MINUTE AND A HUFF! In other words, GO AWAY!
quote:Originally posted by Everlasting Godstopper:
What about it is non-biblical, or non-Jesusy, Peter? As far as I can tell, it is spot on with everything Jesus taught. I'm an atheist but this is not a blasphemous picture. It is filled with truth if one takes the lessons of Jesus seriously.
It also succinctly highlights the hypocrisy of the "religious right."
If you want Bible, Jesus didn't have long hair.
quote:Originally posted by themax:quote:Finally, you tell us, "I hope y'all don't think I'm into a weird form of interpretation. I'm a student of Darby, Chafer, Scofield, Walvoord, and Ryrie. Many refer to us as Pauline classic dispensationalists."
Why must men follow the teaching of other men to tell them what the Bible says?
I just mentioned those teachers to identify some teachers who have influenced me, TheMax.
Why are some folk followers of the teachings of, say, Campbell, Stone, Lipscomb, or Scott and never give them the credit they deserve in forming their theology?
quote:Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Jank...
Yes.. I belive Jesus wants us to be giving... and yes, I blend spirituality and politics for one simple reason... SO DID OUR FOUNDING FATHERS!!! lol... It's that simple here. We should not call for our government to take from the rich to give to the poor... King Barry Obama AIN'T FREAKIN Robin Hood, and neither is any other president that has lived, or any future ones. Charity ALWAYS trumps "redistribution of wealth" by the government.. ALWAYS!!! 49% of our country doesnt pay income tax on a federal level now... 49 FREAKIN PERCENT!! Wow!! Must mean there are no more poor people now!!! YAY!!!... What?? There are?? lol
Look at welfare stats. Too much to type here, just google it. Start thinking about those individual people... How many of them cant help the situation they are in and how many, not only caused their situation, but continually choose every day to not better it? THAT is what is immoral.. Taking from those of us who put in the effort to bring in money to take care of our families, only to forcably have a portion taken from us to give to those who don't make that same attempt. Now I'm rambling.. lol.. I am very passionate about this issue. This is a common sense issue. The government does don't know how to spend my money better than I do outside of providing for the common defense. That's it... that is all our founding fathers set up this government to provide for us. It sounds mean... but it's about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, and the more we collectively rely on the gov't to take care of what we should be personally responsible for, the more the gov't expands it's power over our day to day lives. Claiming the "moral high ground" as a reason to raise taxes comes from a sewer of pure evil.... just check history of some of the "great" communist nations over history. They all began with class warfare... the rich are too rich, so the gov't will take from them to spread around.... After studying those "great" communist nations, ask yourself, why do they always crumble and fall away?
Man, the love of Christ just oozes from every word, don't it?
Peter demonstrates that christians are as affectionate as they are honest.
That is to say.....
That is to say.....
quote:Originally posted by Jankinonya:
Peter,
I never got paid for doing the chores around the house. If it was my night to wash dishes, I washed dishes. If my mom told me to clean up the living room and dust, that is what I did. The only compensation I got was a clean house and not getting a switching because I was lazy. So no, I actually don't know what you mean.
If I am understanding you correctly, you having to be charitable as a child bothered you then, and now as an adult you feel exactly the same.
My advice to you would be, grow up and stop being so dramatic.
Likely response from one in the Obama lovin masses out there.... I love charity... I love to help people and do so very often. Now... read very carefully this time so maybe I won't have to repeat it as if I'm teaching a 5 year old addition.... CHARITY SHOULD BE A MORAL OBLIGATION NOT A GOVERNMENT MANDATE... Ok...?? Any relevant response to that now?? Very simple there... the government DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO FORCIBLY TAKE MONEY FROM CERTAIN PEOPLE AND GIVE IT TO OTHERS. Ok??? any relevant response to that?? It really is that simple.... I'm just not understanding how grown adults can't grasp this..... (sigh)... LOL
quote:Originally posted by Sofa King:
Man, the love of Christ just oozes from every word, don't it?
Nope... Not about something so idiotic as an overbearing gov't over taxing it's citizens. I'm more like the Jesus Christ that tore up the temple that time... Remember that?? lol
This is NOT the politics forum!
any relevant response to that?? It really is that simple.... I'm just not understanding how grown adults can't grasp this..... (sigh)...
any relevant response to that?? It really is that simple.... I'm just not understanding how grown adults can't grasp this..... (sigh)...
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
Peter, stop dirtying up our religion forum with your warped politics.
In other words, "GO AWAY!"
Oh, in case you misunderstood me, let me make myself clear:
GO AWAY! GO AWAY! GO AWAY! GET LOST! LEAVE! WE DON"T WANT YOU HERE! BEAT IT! GO BOTHER SOMEONE ELSE! TAKE A HIKE! DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT! DON'T LEAVE IN A HUFF - LEAVE IN A MINUTE AND A HUFF! In other words, GO AWAY!
hahahaha... another wonderful response from someone who doesn't actually have any facts to refute anything I typed. And my "politics" aren't warped.. they are very much in line with the original intent of our founding fathers. Washinton D.C. is where all the warped politics are coming from...(R's and D's) just to be bipartisan about it. ;-)
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
This is NOT the politics forum!
any relevant response to that?? It really is that simple.... I'm just not understanding how grown adults can't grasp this..... (sigh)...
The origianl post on this forum had fake Jesus telling us to stop complaining about taxes.... I don't think I'm the one who brought politics in this... the originator of the thread is.
quote:Originally posted by House of David:
Completely off the original topic, but Peter, I remember Hot Wheels, those were so cool....
Dang skippy they were!! I've still got at least a hundred of mine in a box in the pantry... I wore those suckers out!!! lol
That's it! This clown goes on ignore. As this IS the religion forum, I suppose I should say I will pray for him.
But first I need to pray for myself, that I can have more patience with those who just don't get it.
But first I need to pray for myself, that I can have more patience with those who just don't get it.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! yep... ignore because you can't defeat... sounds about right. LOL
I gave you a relevant response... the originator of the thread made this political, not me... but it's easier to not see the facts you hate so much on your computer screen... I'll miss ya!!!
I gave you a relevant response... the originator of the thread made this political, not me... but it's easier to not see the facts you hate so much on your computer screen... I'll miss ya!!!
quote:Originally posted by Peter Rielly:quote:Originally posted by Jankinonya:
Peter,
I never got paid for doing the chores around the house. If it was my night to wash dishes, I washed dishes. If my mom told me to clean up the living room and dust, that is what I did. The only compensation I got was a clean house and not getting a switching because I was lazy. So no, I actually don't know what you mean.
If I am understanding you correctly, you having to be charitable as a child bothered you then, and now as an adult you feel exactly the same.
My advice to you would be, grow up and stop being so dramatic.
Likely response from one in the Obama lovin masses out there.... I love charity... I love to help people and do so very often. Now... read very carefully this time so maybe I won't have to repeat it as if I'm teaching a 5 year old addition.... CHARITY SHOULD BE A MORAL OBLIGATION NOT A GOVERNMENT MANDATE... Ok...?? Any relevant response to that now?? Very simple there... the government DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO FORCIBLY TAKE MONEY FROM CERTAIN PEOPLE AND GIVE IT TO OTHERS. Ok??? any relevant response to that?? It really is that simple.... I'm just not understanding how grown adults can't grasp this..... (sigh)... LOL
I think the disconnect here is that you can't seem to understand that no one here wants to talk about your politics. This is the religion forum. There is a politics forum and I can PM you on how to get there if you would like? Its actually very simple, but I may be expecting too much.
So did you want to answer the questions I had about you religious beliefs? If not thats fine, I am sure its hard for you to sort out while its all mixed up with the founding fathers and politics.
Hey guys I think we could make a drinking game out of Peters post.... Every time he post the words "Founding Fathers" and "Obama" we drink. We should have a buzz in no time.
Ok, Peter we are ready to play....now.....GO!
OK, Jank, but can you give me a few minutes to run to the store for some Patron? And of course then I'll have to take him off ignore. (But seeing it's Patron, I guess it'll be worth it.)
like I said just a couple of posts up Jank... The originator of this thread brought up politics with the fake Jesus telling us to stop complaning about paying taxes. Get mad that everlastinggoobsniffer for bringing it up, don't get mad at me for stating facts.... or... and this would be a shocking development... instead of just getting mad and tellin me to stop spouting off facts that you and other King Barry worshipers hate to hear, simply tell me where I am wrong... WOW!! That would be strange.. someone who would ACTUALLY debate facts and not get mad, red-faced and hold their breath while stomping off the playground with their ball to go back to mommy cause the other kids play too hard. lol
how'd I do??? Ahhhh CRAP!!! I said King Barry... there was your obama reference... Drink up and enjoy!!!
how'd I do??? Ahhhh CRAP!!! I said King Barry... there was your obama reference... Drink up and enjoy!!!
quote:Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
like I said just a couple of posts up Jank... The originator of this thread brought up politics with the fake Jesus telling us to stop complaning about paying taxes. Get mad that everlastinggoobsniffer for bringing it up, don't get mad at me for stating facts.... or... and this would be a shocking development... instead of just getting mad and tellin me to stop spouting off facts that you and other King Barry worshipers hate to hear, simply tell me where I am wrong... WOW!! That would be strange.. someone who would ACTUALLY debate facts and not get mad, red-faced and hold their breath while stomping off the playground with their ball to go back to mommy cause the other kids play too hard. lol
how'd I do??? Ahhhh CRAP!!! I said King Barry... there was your obama reference... Drink up and enjoy!!!
So you think I am mad at you? Well now that does deserve a big ol LOL.
No Peter, you do not make me mad at all. As for the original poster his message said a whole lot more than "at least stop whining about your taxes going to help the poor" You just can't seem to get past that one line. I even ask you to just disregard that part and to discuss the rest of it, but you are either incapable or just plain don't want to. That is why we have ask you to go post in the politics forum. Of course its a free country and you can post what ever you want where ever you want to. Just don't expect the rest of us to do as you say and start talking politics in a religion forum.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you or comment on your politics because I don't want to. I am here in this forum for a reason. If I want to talk about yours or my politics I would go to that forum.
Can you grasp that? Is it over your head? What grown person couldn't understand that? LOL
Actually.. go to page one of the thread, read my post from "Posted 07 September 2010 06:41 PM"
I touched on all of them... That entire fake Jesus original post is political, pure and simple. Folks just latched on to my tirade about taxes so I had to make CLEAR the difference in taxes and charity. I mentioned that I love charity, I love giving to those less fortunate than me, I love helping folks if and when I can... THAT is charity...THAT is a giving spirit.
Once again, you posted on this thread in a religion forum despite the fact that it was political in nature from the get go... you are just mad at me because I'm speaking ill of King Barry and that you don't have any facts to dispute anything I have typed. But you are fooling only yourself by continuing to ignore the fact that GoobSniffer started a political thread in the religion forum.
I touched on all of them... That entire fake Jesus original post is political, pure and simple. Folks just latched on to my tirade about taxes so I had to make CLEAR the difference in taxes and charity. I mentioned that I love charity, I love giving to those less fortunate than me, I love helping folks if and when I can... THAT is charity...THAT is a giving spirit.
Once again, you posted on this thread in a religion forum despite the fact that it was political in nature from the get go... you are just mad at me because I'm speaking ill of King Barry and that you don't have any facts to dispute anything I have typed. But you are fooling only yourself by continuing to ignore the fact that GoobSniffer started a political thread in the religion forum.
Every thing that was posted by Everlasting Godstopper was about what jesus taught and what the bible says.
The problem with people like you Peter is that you want to tie your religious beliefs like, gay marriage to your politics. Then when it comes to charity you want to separate them.
Figure out which is more important to you and get back to me. Until then I guess we have nothing to discuss.
Oh yeah, I am very disappointed in your lack of "founding fathers" in your recent post....I have only got to drink 2 times and you are ruining the game....come on! Why you want to be like that Peter. You are such a spoil sport.
The problem with people like you Peter is that you want to tie your religious beliefs like, gay marriage to your politics. Then when it comes to charity you want to separate them.
Figure out which is more important to you and get back to me. Until then I guess we have nothing to discuss.
Oh yeah, I am very disappointed in your lack of "founding fathers" in your recent post....I have only got to drink 2 times and you are ruining the game....come on! Why you want to be like that Peter. You are such a spoil sport.
hmmmmmmm
"Gay Marriage"--yep, political, Jesus never used that term
When in the Bible did Jesus state that the divorce rate would be 50% in 2010??? hmmmm... OHHHH yeah.. that is a modern day stat used in politics ALLL the time.
"Prayer in Schools"...yep.. once again, political.. never once in the Bible do I remember prayer in school being mentioned, much less Jesus speaking out against it.
Then there was the "sell everything....or at least quit whining about taxes that go to help the poor."... Once again.. purely political, and an absolute false statement. That is not what tax dollars go to, thus my afformentioned tirade. ;-)
Then it wraps up with...
"I am not a capitalist.
I am not American either.
And I'm not okay with bombing anyone, even terrorists"
Nowwwww... correct me if I'm wrong here... but I don't think America was a country when Jesus was teaching on earth was it??? And I am almost certain he never once mentioned the word "capitalist"... and I mentioned how Jesus IS God, and given God's track record for destroying cities, countries, and armies... I'd say that last statement is false as well... even though, once again.. can't find it in the Bible... LOL!!
So I hope now I have pointed out to you that, yes indeed.. this thread was motivated purely by politics from someone who has "godstopper" in his screen name.... Did all that help?
"Gay Marriage"--yep, political, Jesus never used that term
When in the Bible did Jesus state that the divorce rate would be 50% in 2010??? hmmmm... OHHHH yeah.. that is a modern day stat used in politics ALLL the time.
"Prayer in Schools"...yep.. once again, political.. never once in the Bible do I remember prayer in school being mentioned, much less Jesus speaking out against it.
Then there was the "sell everything....or at least quit whining about taxes that go to help the poor."... Once again.. purely political, and an absolute false statement. That is not what tax dollars go to, thus my afformentioned tirade. ;-)
Then it wraps up with...
"I am not a capitalist.
I am not American either.
And I'm not okay with bombing anyone, even terrorists"
Nowwwww... correct me if I'm wrong here... but I don't think America was a country when Jesus was teaching on earth was it??? And I am almost certain he never once mentioned the word "capitalist"... and I mentioned how Jesus IS God, and given God's track record for destroying cities, countries, and armies... I'd say that last statement is false as well... even though, once again.. can't find it in the Bible... LOL!!
So I hope now I have pointed out to you that, yes indeed.. this thread was motivated purely by politics from someone who has "godstopper" in his screen name.... Did all that help?
Awwww... guess not... LOL!!!