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JFK airport plot 'a US setup'
06/06/2007 08:17 - (SA)

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http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2125074,00.html


Port Of Spain - The four suspects in an alleged terror plot to bomb a New York airport were set up in an elaborate plan by the US Republican party to retain hold of the White House, the daughter of an arrested suspect claimed on Tuesday.

Huda Ibrahiim, daughter of Amir Kareem Ibrahiim, one of four men accused of plotting acts of terrorism against the United States, said US justice officials had engaged in entrapment in breaking up the alleged plot.

Huda, 20, speaking on behalf of the Trinidad and Tobago and the Guyanese Shi'ite Muslim community, read from a prepared statement in a press conference at a hotel in Port Of Spain.

She said the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) informant key to breaking up the alleged plot had presented himself as an Islamic missionary from the United States while visiting the homes of Abdul Kadir and Amir Ibrahiim.
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Once again we see a government informant befriending some lonely outcast and setting him up by playing upon his anger toward injustice and urging him on. It's the same pattern over and over. Most of the time they use a government agent but here they use an informant.

These are phony headline grabbing cases that were not real threats. Once again, the plot is unrealistic and could not work but the corporate media plays along. These guys would not have been able to pull this off and even if they did it wouln't have worked.

They should have waited to see if the Jamaat al-Muslimeen got involved, then they might have a real case but they probably thought they wouldn't get involved.

These are not real terrorist cases and the real al Qaeda is probably still out there.
It's a disgrace.

Here are some excerpts buried in the NY Times article.


4 Men Accused of Plot to Blow Up Kennedy Airport Terminals and Fuel Lines - New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/nyregion/03plot.html?th&emc=th

"One law enforcement official played down Mr. Defreitas’s ability to carry out an attack, calling him “a sad sack” and “not a Grade A terrorist.” Comparing the case with the plot in which a group of men were arrested last month on charges of planning to attack soldiers at Fort Dix in New Jersey, the official said the New Jersey plotters “were a bit further along.”

"But the official said that Mr. Defreitas’s efforts to enlist Jamaat al-Muslimeen’s aid could have had devastating consequences.

“They didn’t have the money and they didn’t have the bombs,” the official said of the suspects, “but if we let it go it could have gotten there; they could have gotten the J.A.M. fully involved, and we wouldn’t know where it could have gone.”

"The official declined to be identified because he was not authorized to comment on the case.

"An informant with a criminal history including drug trafficking and racketeering agreed to work with investigators on the case, in exchange for payments and a reduced sentence.

"Last July, the informant, whose name was not released, befriended Mr. Defreitas, officials said. Mr. Defreitas said he recognized the informant from attending services at a Brooklyn mosque, took him into his confidence and slowly disclosed his plan to attack Kennedy, according to the complaint."
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Huda Ibrahiim, daughter of Amir Kareem Ibrahiim, one of four men accused of plotting acts of terrorism against the United States, said US justice officials had engaged in entrapment in breaking up the alleged plot.

Huda, 20, speaking on behalf of the Trinidad and Tobago and the Guyanese Shi'ite Muslim community, read from a prepared statement in a press conference at a hotel in Port Of Spain.

She said the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) informant key to breaking up the alleged plot had presented himself as an Islamic missionary from the United States while visiting the homes of Abdul Kadir and Amir Ibrahiim.


Uh, huh, like she is going to say anything different.

If the JFK plot had been successful, it would be the same conspiracy whackjobs that would be screaming about how the Bush administration is not protecting us.
It was 19 similar men that caused the deaths of 2,997 souls and billions of dollars lost, with just boxcutters on 9-11. If US government had taken them down beforehand, we'd be hearing the same drivel.

The argument that the Ft. Dix crew didn't have arms or the JFK crew didn't have explosives is a red herring. Terror groups, now, only go for the implements of destruction shortly before actual terrorist actions. And, yes, any trained sapper could bypass the safety features at JFK fuel lines -- they are mainly for accident and lightning.

As to using an agent provocateur to smoke out the rats, it call good intelligence or, perhaps, counter-intelligence. Leftists want US to wait until people die and property destroyed before anything may be done. Then, they will carp about the plot not being thwarted. Just like a child who wants to lick his lollypop and cries when its gone.
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It was 19 similar men that caused the deaths of 2,997 souls and billions of dollars lost, with just boxcutters on 9-11. If US government had taken them down beforehand, we'd be hearing the same drivel.

The argument that the Ft. Dix crew didn't have arms or the JFK crew didn't have explosives is a red herring. Terror groups, now, only go for the implements of destruction shortly before actual terrorist actions. And, yes, any trained sapper could bypass the safety features at JFK fuel lines -- they are mainly for accident and lightning.

As to using an agent provocateur to smoke out the rats, it call good intelligence or, perhaps, counter-intelligence. Leftists want US to wait until people die and property destroyed before anything may be done. Then, they will carp about the plot not being thwarted. Just like a child who wants to lick his lollypop and cries when its gone.

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These cases are not similar to the 9/11 attack. That was real al Qaeda, so was Richard Reid. Trained and motivated. These were real terrorists and Bush and bunch completely ignored them. Altjough a number of FBI and CIA agents were aware what was happening but nobody higher up was paying attention. Now they try to make up for their mistakes and bad PR with these nonsense cases.

These entrapments are not "terrorist groups." They are nothing but a bunch of lonely losers and it's just to grab headlines and add to the fear factor and give a false impression of government action. Along the same lines as the phony terror color alerts.

You should be concerned that this is not adding to our safety, at all. The government will then turn around and say it's too costly for the government and businesses to add extra security, real security, at Nuclear Power plants and chemical plants. There is also many ways terrorist, real terrorists, can strike.

It's not that we, "Leftists want US to wait until people die and property destroyed before anything may be done." It's that we want real terrorists to be arrested and not time and money wasted on phony cases that make big headlines and are for PR purposes.
Lol.......These guys were going to light a pipeline 40 miles away from Kennedy. It would not have worked. Like the pizza delivery terrorists, it would have clearly NOT have been the same effect as 9/11. This is yet another of the radical rights attempts to prop up bush using ANYTHING they can to bolster his failed presidency. Terrorists are here - no doubt. They are intent on harming us. But please, keep it in perspective. This is nothing new. We must always be vigilant. 9/11 was planned during Clinton but carried out during bush. As the 9/11 commission clearly found there were security problems on both sides of the political spectrum. I am tired of the scare tactics - they just dont work any more.
The safeguards on the pipeline - full line with no fumes as fumes cause actual explosion. Mount small charges to initiate leaks then timed incendiary charge one fumes leak out. Again, this is well know by anyone with training.

Al-Qaeda is now a franchise - not a store front. And, has been for a couple of years.

The 9-11 planning occurred during Clinton's and Bush's time in office. The higher ups in the FBI, etc ignored it because of blocks set in their way to protect civil rights by Bubba's people.
The pipes had shut off values that would have prevented the plot from succeeding. They didn't reality have any bombs, money or really the means to carry out the plot.

The case is centered around an informant who infiltrated the Mosque, befriended the accused and set them up.

As far as 9/11 goes when Bush came into office he down graded al Qaeda as a threat and cut money to terrorism program, despite warnings from Clinton's former Terrorism expert Richard Clarke. He ignored warnings from Russia, Israel, Egypt and Jordan that their intelligence agents in the camps had picked up a major attack on US soil about to happen, instead he went on vacation and ignored the famous Aug 6th US intelligence report about an attack. Tenet himself went to the White House to warn Bush but was brushed off by Bush, Rumsfeld and Rice.

According to ex FBI agent Coleen Rowely's testimoney before congress they wanted to get into Moussaiou's computer in the spring of 2001 but were blocked by higher up's in Washington. That was Bush' s FBI.

The blame for 9/11 falls directly on Bush.

Also Richard Clarke wrote that Clinton did try to get bin Laden. He also bombed the camps in Afghanistan but he was hampered by the Monica Lewinsky scandal and felt his actions were being seen as an attempt to distract attention from the phony scandal and nonsense of the republican mud slinging slander noise machine, which was in full blast at the time.

He was under the "wag the dog" scenario.

THE J.F.K. AIRPORT CASE; 4 Men Accused of Plot to Blow Up Kennedy Airport Terminals and Fuel Lines - New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/nyregion/03plot.html?th&emc=th

"The airport is fed jet fuel, gasoline and heating oil through a capillary system of pipes that run from New Jersey through Staten Island, Brooklyn and Queens. Oil industry experts said safety shut-off valves would almost assuredly have prevented an exploding airport fuel tank from igniting all or even part of the network."
Pogo, old possum,

Perhaps, I should have stated multiple small charges and timed incendiary charges. Again, this is a well known technique to bypass such safeguards.

As to the rest, thanks for proving what I said about the left only being satisfied if dead bodies of Americans are present. You did not counter what I stated about explosives, etc. only obtained at the end of a campaign. You don't like agents -- so again bodies are preferable?
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
I quoted the experts. In an earlier post I quote the FBI also doubting that they could pull this off.


"Experts" also said during the 1800's that man would never fly, that if he traveled more than 25 mph he would die from lack of air, and that man would never walk on the moon. Experts are continually being proven wrong.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
I quoted the experts. In an earlier post I quote the FBI also doubting that they could pull this off.


"Experts" also said during the 1800's that man would never fly, that if he traveled more than 25 mph he would die from lack of air, and that man would never walk on the moon. Experts are continually being proven wrong.


What experts are you quoting? I've read that Pony Express horses (in the 1800s) often maintained a speed approaching 50 mph for short to medium legs of a journey. I assume these steeds had human mounts.
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
I quoted the experts. In an earlier post I quote the FBI also doubting that they could pull this off.


"Experts" also said during the 1800's that man would never fly, that if he traveled more than 25 mph he would die from lack of air, and that man would never walk on the moon. Experts are continually being proven wrong.


What experts are you quoting? I've read that Pony Express horses (in the 1800s) often maintained a speed approaching 50 mph for short to medium legs of a journey. I assume these steeds had human mounts.


Some that were talking about early trains. As far as horses, most can sustain 30 plus mph for short distances, thoroughbreds can exceed 40 mph, and quarter horses have been measured at 50 mph in short bursts...not sustained distances.

http://www.ultimatehorsesite.com/info/horsespeedmph.htm
In my earlier posts I cut and paste excerpts from the story. The plot would be difficult to pull off, the defendents were not all that capable of doing it and it was a "set up." A case of entrapment by an informant. They didn't have the money, bombs or means to carry out the attack. If the FBI really thought they had a case they would have waited for the "Jamaat al-Muslimeen" to get involved.

Talk about "experts" what happened to the WMD that all those "experts" told us were in Iraq? And how it would be a "cakewalk." They ignored and ridiculed the real experts that said it was highly unlikely that Saddam had no WMD, next to impossible, it would be a quagmire, and let the inspections continue.

These are phony terrorist cases meant more for publicity then anything.

THE J.F.K. AIRPORT CASE; 4 Men Accused of Plot to Blow Up Kennedy Airport Terminals and Fuel Lines - New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/nyregion/03plot.html?th&emc=th

"The airport is fed jet fuel, gasoline and heating oil through a capillary system of pipes that run from New Jersey through Staten Island, Brooklyn and Queens. Oil industry experts said safety shut-off valves would almost assuredly have prevented an exploding airport fuel tank from igniting all or even part of the network."

"One law enforcement official played down Mr. Defreitas’s ability to carry out an attack, calling him “a sad sack” and “not a Grade A terrorist.” Comparing the case with the plot in which a group of men were arrested last month on charges of planning to attack soldiers at Fort Dix in New Jersey, the official said the New Jersey plotters “were a bit further along.”

"But the official said that Mr. Defreitas’s efforts to enlist Jamaat al-Muslimeen’s aid could have had devastating consequences.

“They didn’t have the money and they didn’t have the bombs,” the official said of the suspects, “but if we let it go it could have gotten there; they could have gotten the J.A.M. fully involved, and we wouldn’t know where it could have gone.”

"The official declined to be identified because he was not authorized to comment on the case.

"An informant with a criminal history including drug trafficking and racketeering agreed to work with investigators on the case, in exchange for payments and a reduced sentence.

"Last July, the informant, whose name was not released, befriended Mr. Defreitas, officials said. Mr. Defreitas said he recognized the informant from attending services at a Brooklyn mosque, took him into his confidence and slowly disclosed his plan to attack Kennedy, according to the complaint."
FirenzeVeritas,

When the railroad first came to be, they traveled about 15 MPH. Experts of the day stated that over that would suck the air from the lungs of the travelers. So, very early, 1800s.

AS to the FBI statement, this is partially the old street cop saying, "move along now, nothing to see." So, as not to alarm people. Again, the plot was in its midst. The plotters were trying to contact outside help for money and more expertise. They had inside people with knowledge of the layout and the will.

The same argument was used aginst the Brooklyn bridge plot. They didn't have the explosives, but they did have the will and had identified the exact spot to plant the explosive.

Life isn't an episode of 24. We need to catch the jehadim long before the plot is executed. Makes for lousy TV, but saves more lives.
I quote oil industry experts and an FBI official. Your attempt to distract from the issue with the pony express and train travel is nonsense. This case was instigated by a police informant with a criminal history of drug trafficking and racketeering in exchange for payments and a reduced sentence.

The Oil Industry experts say there are safety values and they doubt the plot would work and an FBI official played down the capability of the defendants to pull it off. They are not real terrorists. They have no money, or bombs and are not terrorists. I believe in the Brooklyn Bridge incident the guy that was planning it did have some sort of connection or was in contact with real terrorists. So did Richard Reid.

If they really thought there was something to the case they would have waited to see what the Jamaat al-Muslimeen would do. Probably nothing. That's why the FBI moved in now, before the defendants gave up and the FBI wasted all that time and money and came up with nothing.

It is a phony case, like many of them and the people and the media should be concerned about such behavior by the government. While they are wasting time and money on an informant entrapping lonely misfits and "sad sacks" into committing a crime real al Qaeda terrorists are out there potting and biding their time.
Pogo,

I was answereing FirenzeVeritas' question in my first sentence. Its not all about you!

I answered your claim about safty valves and full pipes (to eliminate fumes) on my two 13 June postings and am not prone to repeating myself for someone who doesn't follow the thread.

As to the FBI moving in before fruitition of the plot, I answered that on my 8 June posting -- follow the thread! Breaking up the plot early is safer and demoralizes the opposition - they don't know who to trust. And sometimes end up killing each other, which is a real demoralizer.
And I stand by my post in which I quote an FBI official and Oil Industry expert. I also say the reason they stepped in was because it wasn't going to go anywhere. The Jamaat al Muslimeen probably wanted no part of them.

I am not familiar with this group but by the FBI officials statement believe either the group knew them to be incapable of doing the attack or they are not an organization interested in attacking the US. They are concerned with local politics. I suppose one can do a search on them but either way they probably wanted no part which is why nothing happened after the defendant met with them.
So the FBI moved in before the plot disintergrated.
On one hand we have someone with military experience, combat training, and has first hand knowledge of explosives and incendiary devices.

On the other we have someone who's information is limited to leftist and socialist websites that are full of misinformation, propaganda, and outlandish conspiracy theories.

I wonder who really knows what they're talking about here and who's full of it?
For about the 3rd or 4th time.... I am quoting an FBI official and a person who is described in the article as an oil industry expert from the newspaper. I posted the quotes and the link.

The difference is the defendants do not have "military experience, combat training, and... first hand knowledge of explosives and incendiary devices."

They have no idea what they are doing.

Again I am pointing out that your "reliable sources" are misleading you with inflammatory headlines. It's another phony case.

Your attempts are slander do not make the case for you.

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