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The Biggest problem with the real truth of the assassination of Kennedy is people with no knowledge of the facts trying to push forward there beliefs on the public....Kennedy hated the close proximity of the secret service and a show of arms by the service thus he forced them into the background leaving himself open to attack....No one knows for sure what happened that day and most went to the graves of the informed including President Ford....Anything is possible but do the real research before believing morons that try to sell books on there conspiracy theory and you may find some of the unbelievable truths of the Warren commision a little more believable with the proper facts added to the context of the conversation.
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Originally posted by Alphonse:
Do a goggle search for the Gemstone file. Interesting reading, I personnally don't believe it, but it is interesting. Like ascbell said, "anything is possible".


Keep these two things in mind each time you hear a conspiracy theory involving government. THE GOVERNMENT LIES OFTEN ENOUGHT TO BE DOUBTED ALL THE TIME. And, there are people who want to weaken trust in the government to get you to trust them, or the group they represent. THESE PEOPLE WILL TAKE ANY ISSUE GOVERNMENT IS INVOLVED IN, Regardless of the party in power, and create an atmosphere of doubt and mistrust.

For YOU and I to have a conversation that does not end up a fight, I HAVE TO TRY TO TRUST YOU WITHOUT RESERVATION, AND YOU HAVE TO DO THE SAME.
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Originally posted by ascbell:
The Biggest problem with the real truth of the assassination of Kennedy is people with no knowledge of the facts trying to push forward there beliefs on the public....Kennedy hated the close proximity of the secret service and a show of arms by the service thus he forced them into the background leaving himself open to attack....No one knows for sure what happened that day and most went to the graves of the informed including President Ford....Anything is possible but do the real research before believing morons that try to sell books on there conspiracy theory and you may find some of the unbelievable truths of the Warren commision a little more believable with the proper facts added to the context of the conversation.




So, you think JFK said hey boy's, You guys back off. I don't need no protection today in Dallas,Tx. Sheesh, American Goverment would never kill its own? hmmmmmm
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So, you think JFK said hey boy's, You guys back off. I don't need no protection today in Dallas,Tx. Sheesh, American Goverment would never kill its own? hmmmmmm


If I recall correctly, JFK was the one that wanted the top off of the Presidential Limo that fateful day.

I wasn't alive when Kennedy was president. Would some of you that remember these events tell me your feeling on him? Specifically the whole "American Camelot" thing. I hear so much of this of news shows and documentaries, I would like to hear some first hand accounts.
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Originally posted by Alphonse:
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So, you think JFK said hey boy's, You guys back off. I don't need no protection today in Dallas,Tx. Sheesh, American Goverment would never kill its own? hmmmmmm


If I recall correctly, JFK was the one that wanted the top off of the Presidential Limo that fateful day.

I wasn't alive when Kennedy was president. Would some of you that remember these events tell me your feeling on him? Specifically the whole "American Camelot" thing. I hear so much of this of news shows and documentaries, I would like to hear some first hand accounts.


Rent the video JFK and Nixon.
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Rent the video JFK and Nixon.


When I want to be spoon fed garbage, I watch movies. I would like peoples opinions, love him or hate him, not what the movie execs think will do best at the box office.

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Did the Bushes help to kill JFK?.


On a previous post on a different topic, it was brought to my attention that Goerge H. W. Bush was working for the CIA, in Dallas, in December of 1963. Hmmmm....
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Originally posted by Alphonse:
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So, you think JFK said hey boy's, You guys back off. I don't need no protection today in Dallas,Tx. Sheesh, American Goverment would never kill its own? hmmmmmm


If I recall correctly, JFK was the one that wanted the top off of the Presidential Limo that fateful day.

I wasn't alive when Kennedy was president. Would some of you that remember these events tell me your feeling on him? Specifically the whole "American Camelot" thing. I hear so much of this of news shows and documentaries, I would like to hear some first hand accounts.



>>>>>If I recall correctly, JFK was the one that wanted the top off of the Presidential Limo that fateful day<<<<< Not True, Right Wing Propaganda again! They suggested to him that it would be better for them to take the bubble off,and he left it up to Jackie,as she had already complained that she was cold.She finally said ok.
Good grief, I have seen and read everything about JFK. There will never be a final answer.I have my own thoughts about it , but so everyone else has their's also.
Do I think it was a lone gunman 'Oswald' or was it it much more. What about the grassy knoll, What about the motocycle policeman's radio transmission that was so garrabled it could not be understood?
A lot to be looked at but let's face it, the truth will not be known for many years.
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Originally posted by themax:
Good grief, I have seen and read everything about JFK. There will never be a final answer.I have my own thoughts about it , but so everyone else has their's also.
Do I think it was a lone gunman 'Oswald' or was it it much more. What about the grassy knoll, What about the motocycle policeman's radio transmission that was so garrabled it could not be understood?
A lot to be looked at but let's face it, the truth will not be known for many years.



True,In the film they bring out more,but even if they brought it all out,most are dead and gone.
PBA- you watch lots of TV and movies I see....I can cite a hundred stupid theory books and movies in my research to find the truth and it only gets worse as I go....I have researched original papers that seemingly prove Oswald was a spy (original green non-laminated military ID card--it does exist) to oswald being a retarded patsy that really did not speak Russian and unable to fire a weapon....Who knows....Oliver Stone is a one sided theorist who believes anything that sells movies so stay away from JFK or Nixon since they tend to be formed to fit fixed opinions...Suggest that you read Mortal Error by Bonar Menninger if you would like another unproven spin on the assassination that makes more sense than anything I have read,wrote, or studied in my quest for the answer to the unanswerable question---and yes JFK's brain came up missing before good accurate trajectory forensic testing and it is rumored to be in the possession of the Kennedy clan. PS= I do love those stupid movies but I do view them as a work of fiction until they are proven correct.
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Originally posted by pba:
WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Did the Bushes help to kill JFK?
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush.htm

I think it would be hard to prove if it is true!


Whoa!!!! What a site to read!!!! The information there is like hitting a gold mine... How in hell has the Bush's made it this far, and how come so many of them????

Still so many UNANSWERED questions surrounding Bush, and especially Cheney... who happened to shoot a man a year ago in a hunting ACCIDENT... spare me!
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Originally posted by Big A:
PBA- you watch lots of TV and movies I see....I can cite a hundred stupid theory books and movies in my research to find the truth and it only gets worse as I go....I have researched original papers that seemingly prove Oswald was a spy (original green non-laminated military ID card--it does exist) to oswald being a retarded patsy that really did not speak Russian and unable to fire a weapon....Who knows....Oliver Stone is a one sided theorist who believes anything that sells movies so stay away from JFK or Nixon since they tend to be formed to fit fixed opinions...Suggest that you read Mortal Error by Bonar Menninger if you would like another unproven spin on the assassination that makes more sense than anything I have read,wrote, or studied in my quest for the answer to the unanswerable question---and yes JFK's brain came up missing before good accurate trajectory forensic testing and it is rumored to be in the possession of the Kennedy clan. PS= I do love those stupid movies but I do view them as a work of fiction until they are proven correct.



I have seen that show on the forensics, and trajectory... But there is one thing here that you and THEY left out!!!

In the late 70's, there WAS a Camera Angle released to the news that was shown for a couple of months and now disappeared... It SHOWED his head getting hit from the FRONT and Brain Matter and Bones going on top of the Trunk of the CAR, it SHOWED Jaquie get up, climb back there and GET IT!!!!!! Now, over 30 years later, that clip is NEVER shown...

NEW GENERATIONS, they get to see what the gov't CHOOSES for them to see... as time goes on, Lee Harvey Oswald will be totally accepted as the killer ... but from what was on the news for sometime back then was a shot in the BACK ,... AND a shot in the FRONT of the head, the forehead, which would have been IMPOSSIBLE by any forensics!!!

Who is trying to hide what by not showing the entire film? I saw it with my own eyes, so did the rest of my family...

There is NO TELLING the amount of money paid to that guy to talk about the trajectory hitting Kennedy in the back, hitting the Gov. in the shoulder bouncing off his knee and going all over that car causing a death and some severe damage to connelly and to the car...

NO WAY could it have ever happened that way, and if we are so weak to believe ONE SINGLE BULLET can shoot and kill ONE man, then go through another man three/four times then we can buy that bridge in the desert.

Movies, specials put on today's news/television is just plain FICTION... at best.
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Originally posted by themax:
And it will never be known untill all those involved are dead and gone.

JFK was a two headed monster he spoke one thing to the American people but his deeds in private were a different thing.
He must have been a closet repulb. lol



He may have been... but I would take him and his clan however stupid, or snake-bit as they seem to be with all the crap they do... over the Bush Empire any day of the week.

Kennedy wasn't a really smart man, or even really President material, he was a FALL GUY for someone, there is NO doubt about that.. .. I have even heard that on shows that dont WANT the AMERICANs delving too deep into his death.

When it is finally said and done, and everyone knows what has happened, there will probably be at least two families in the US ruined over it... at least.

The BRAINS is whereever the SS told Jaquie to put them AFTER she retrieved them from the trunk of the car.
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Originally posted by Big A:
PBA- you watch lots of TV and movies I see....I can cite a hundred stupid theory books and movies in my research to find the truth and it only gets worse as I go....I have researched original papers that seemingly prove Oswald was a spy (original green non-laminated military ID card--it does exist) to oswald being a retarded patsy that really did not speak Russian and unable to fire a weapon....Who knows....Oliver Stone is a one sided theorist who believes anything that sells movies so stay away from JFK or Nixon since they tend to be formed to fit fixed opinions...Suggest that you read Mortal Error by Bonar Menninger if you would like another unproven spin on the assassination that makes more sense than anything I have read,wrote, or studied in my quest for the answer to the unanswerable question---and yes JFK's brain came up missing before good accurate trajectory forensic testing and it is rumored to be in the possession of the Kennedy clan. PS= I do love those stupid movies but I do view them as a work of fiction until they are proven correct.



No I do not watch alot of tv, I do lots of reading!! I just made a suggestion to you on the movie to watch,you said you wanted to hear what people had to say and the you were not from that time and wanted to know more people's thoughts on it,did you not? Anyway Think what you like on the Issue,I do.
I have no idea who did the deed,but believe Oswald was one of the shooters. NRA report is one I trust. Using the original rifle, master class marksmen shot at a target moving at the speed of the limo. They could not produce the same results. Oswald fired Marksman grade in the Marines -- that's the lowest grade under sharpshooter and expert.

Also, they timed the shots from the Zapruder film, and could not open and close the bolt action at that speed, let alone aim and fire.

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