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quote:Originally posted by geddon97:
Although I respect his decision to leave the SBC I really do not believe he has the moral high ground on this one.Especially with his support of Islamic regimes that consider women cattle.
quote:Originally posted by Cookey:quote:Originally posted by geddon97:
Although I respect his decision to leave the SBC I really do not believe he has the moral high ground on this one.Especially with his support of Islamic regimes that consider women cattle.
Excellent point, Ged.
quote:the man is the head of the woman
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
It is Carter's choice if he wishes to abandon the clearly scriptural principle that the man is the head of the woman as God is the Head of Christ. God--Christ--Husband---Wife; THAT is the scriptural order of things. It is very clear from scripture:
"1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."
Above is from 1 Corinthians 11.
See also the passage below, which is crystal clear. If you purport to believe and follow the New Testament, follow this sound doctrine. If not, then be like the steadily-liberalizing J. Carter and deliver your little news release to the world on your rejection of the Word, then explain it to God later on. From Ephesians 5:
22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
What Jimmy seems not to get--and what a lot of YOU are missing, is the part about the husband deeply loving his wife and seeking only good for her. THAT is the New Testament model. In the home, the Biblical arrangement places the husband in the position of headship. That does not by any means give him the latitude to be tyrannical and domineering. If he indeed loves his wife as Christ loved the church, he will be willing to nurture, protect, and provide for her. But--like it or not--God made the man (husband) the head of the house. Dispute that if you will, and then advise us how much else of the clear teaching of scripture you will reject in deference to perturbations of modern culture and philosophy. Take the Bible or take Oprah and Dr. Phil; it's your call.
quote:Originally posted by Wild Irish Prose:quote:the man is the head of the woman
beternU,
In case you haven't noticed, there are a few females posting on this topic, so I advise you that what you are saying is the equivalent of waving a red cape in front of a bull! The Bible can't possibly be taken 100% literally.
Hello, 1959, 2009 calling. Please step in!
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
BeternU,
You're exactly right.
Honestly, you've hit the nail on the head.
All good Southern Baptist women should toe the dadgum line.
DF
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
It is Carter's choice if he wishes to abandon the clearly scriptural principle that the man is the head of the woman as God is the Head of Christ. God--Christ--Husband---Wife; THAT is the scriptural order of things. It is very clear from scripture:
"1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."
Above is from 1 Corinthians 11.
See also the passage below, which is crystal clear. If you purport to believe and follow the New Testament, follow this sound doctrine. If not, then be like the steadily-liberalizing J. Carter and deliver your little news release to the world on your rejection of the Word, then explain it to God later on. From Ephesians 5:
22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
What Jimmy seems not to get--and what a lot of YOU are missing, is the part about the husband deeply loving his wife and seeking only good for her. THAT is the New Testament model. In the home, the Biblical arrangement places the husband in the position of headship. That does not by any means give him the latitude to be tyrannical and domineering. If he indeed loves his wife as Christ loved the church, he will be willing to nurture, protect, and provide for her. But--like it or not--God made the man (husband) the head of the house. Dispute that if you will, and then advise us how much else of the clear teaching of scripture you will reject in deference to perturbations of modern culture and philosophy. Take the Bible or take Oprah and Dr. Phil; it's your call.
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I think if you told DF he was going to HELL he would try to call ahead and make reservations....
quote:Originally posted by tomfan:
I thought I remembered that, Bill Gray, and yet the article linked in the OP's post implies that it's a current move on his part.
In the article there is a link to another piece, one that JC himself wrote, in which he references his decision to leave the SBC just by saying So my decision to sever my ties with the Southern Baptist Convention, after six decades, was painful and difficult, without a time frame. For clarity's sake, he probably should have given one.
quote:Originally posted by Dusty1963:
My wife has no problem submitting to my leadership in the home because she knows that I love her and would never ask her to do anything that I would not be willing to do myself.
quote:Originally posted by Basement Cat:
Where'd that might makes right crap come from anyway? The Bible also says it's okay to own slaves.
Splain that, Lucy.
quote:Originally posted by Charlie Tops:quote:Originally posted by Basement Cat:
Where'd that might makes right crap come from anyway? The Bible also says it's okay to own slaves.
Splain that, Lucy.
Could you quote chapter & verse for that?
quote:Originally posted by Charlie Tops:quote:Originally posted by Basement Cat:
Where'd that might makes right crap come from anyway? The Bible also says it's okay to own slaves.
Splain that, Lucy.
Could you quote chapter & verse for that?
quote:Jimmy Carter does not speak for all thinking Baptists.
quote:Originally posted by Cookey:quote:Originally posted by Charlie Tops:quote:Originally posted by Basement Cat:
Where'd that might makes right crap come from anyway? The Bible also says it's okay to own slaves.
Splain that, Lucy.
Could you quote chapter & verse for that?
Hello Charlie,
The offending statements can be found in many verses including the following:
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
and
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
and
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
That's Old Testament stuff, of course.
In the NT, Jesus had this to say about slaves:
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
The following verse is the source of a often-used saying about those who are blessed with material wealth:
"The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
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quote:Originally posted by Charlie Tops:
Those verses instruct slaves/bondsmen on how to act in their circumstances, rather like instructing a child to obey a teacher who says, "stand up when you address me." No where does Christ say he approves of slavery.
quote:Originally posted by Charlie Tops:
Those verses instruct slaves/bondsmen on how to act in their circumstances, rather like instructing a child to obey a teacher who says, "stand up when you address me." No where does Christ say he approves of slavery.