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Lieberman asked to resign from his own party



June 12, 2007


(WTNH) _ The Connecticut for Lieberman Party is calling on Senator Joseph Lieberman to resign from the U.S. Senate following his remarks made Sunday on CBS' Face the Nation regarding military action against Iran.

Lieberman said on the national television program that, "we've got to be prepared to take aggressive military action against the Iranians."

The Connecticut for Lieberman Chair, Dr. John Orman, called for Lieberman's resignation saying that he "crossed the line" and "no longer represents the views of the citizens of Connecticut."

Orman, a longtime critic of Lieberman, took control of the minority party back in January.

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Originally posted by interventor:
Perhaps, Joe just resigns from his party and becomes a Republican. Then, Harry Reid goes back to the minors. Beware what you wish for!
Interventor, read the post. His party is not the Democratic Party. There is something fundamentally irrational about political thinking in this country. Democrats are bad because they are all spilt over issues, and Republcans are bad because they act like sheep following a leader. We either have politicians who do what is best for the people who elect them and have a Federal system, or we have Politicians who do what is best for their financial backers, A Fascist system. But we are not going to have both.
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Originally posted by interventor:
"Fascism is always coming to America, but it never arrives."



Interventor,You say>>"Fascism is always coming to America, but it never arrives."<<< You really need to get informed,because if you think fascism has not already arrived, where have you been?Fascism is like cancer its slow but when you find you have it its too late. you fight Fascism like cancer!
Actually, I was quoting George Orwell. If you want to experience true fascist states go to Syria or Iran.

If you want to experience a rapidly emerging fascist state go to China. It mildly amuses me to see the change from a communist dictatorship to a fascist state with commie garnishes.

If you want to see a slowly emerging fascist state go to Europe, unless their people quickly change things. Then, they'll become an islamofascist state in about 20 years instead of 10.
There are plenty of things happening in the US that we should be concerned about and even alarmed. The building of the surveillance state where the government wire taps phones, FBI and homeland security have files on people and groups that excise their constitutional rights and criticize government policy. The National, ID act where everything all citizens do is kept in government files.

More and more surveillance cameras on streets as well video tapping demonstrators and making files on them.

Also Bush's and a number of members on the Supreme Court's moves toward consolidating power in the presidency. Dismantling safeguards against the president using the military as a police force outside of conditions like natural disasters and insurrections The PATRIOT ACT that gives the government the right to enter your home without your knowledge when you are not there, without a court warrant. The Military Commissions Act which can allow the President to declare an American citizen an "Enemy Combatant." An appeals court has struck down that provision but the government will appeal to the Supreme Court and we shall see what happens. Bush has "stacked the courts" with right wing ideologues and members of the Federalist Society, which believes in a strong presidency. Bush claiming "Inherent" war time Powers" as a president that allows him to overstep laws and the constitution. All dangerous moves.

Those who think these are not such dangerous steps should look at what life was like in Eastern Europe under Soviet domination.

As far as Communism and Fascism goes, communism is an economic system, like capitalism or socialism. All can be either Democratic or Fascist
I have little use for the cameras very where, don't need a nanny.

The warrentless search has been dropped.

US arrested a US citizen in WWI tried him and a number of other German spies under military commission -- upheld by the Supreme court and executed all but two. The German/US citizen was one of the two.

Using military, in lieu of police, is only if police no longer exist in the area. Or, to augment, if police still exist in part. Civil courts still have primacy. Its an extension of regulations that have existed for 60 years.

And, please tell me of one communist country that was ever a democracy. By definition, the dictatorship of the proletariat denies such a possibility. Not, that the proles ever got to dictate anything other than their forced self crticism statements or confessions.
Lieberman's statements are just another example of the powerful Israeli lobby telling elected American Senators and Representatives how to act. Israel would like nothing more than for Uncle Sam to fight all of its battles. The Israeli lobbyists in Washington are very well organized and are very effective at making sure that the American agenda is exactly as they would want it to be. Politicians know that American Jews are a powerful voting force and they have lots of money to throw around to get people elected who blindly support Israel, and also to make sure that anyone who does not blindly support Israel does NOT get elected.
Communism demands a single view of the world. Its adherants exterminated at least 150 million people to create the new soviet man -- so far none.

It amazes me that with the death of communism, its old adherants now cheer for the islamofascists from Al Qaeda to Iran. Anti-semitism is now fashionable on the far left.
The left didn't get the memo that the islamist nutburgers are after all of us.

Once again, I can only surmise that they didn't have a good father figure growing up and look for someone with authority, no matter who. And, their hatred of the west and the US, in particular, is so strong they would prefer the destruction of the west,even if it means themselves and their progeny as well. Gotterdammerung fur alles! Wasn't that old Schickelgruber's wish for the German people, if his dreams failed -- they deserved to be destroyed!
interventor

I have little use for the cameras very where, don't need a nanny.

The warrentless search has been dropped.

US arrested a US citizen in WWI tried him and a number of other German spies under military commission -- upheld by the Supreme court and executed all but two. The German/US citizen was one of the two.

Using military, in lieu of police, is only if police no longer exist in the area. Or, to augment, if police still exist in part. Civil courts still have primacy. Its an extension of regulations that have existed for 60 years.

And, please tell me of one communist country that was ever a democracy. By definition, the dictatorship of the proletariat denies such a possibility. Not, that the proles ever got to dictate anything other than their forced self crticism statements or confessions.

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Communism demands a single view of the world. Its adherants exterminated at least 150 million people to create the new soviet man -- so far none.

It amazes me that with the death of communism, its old adherants now cheer for the islamofascists from Al Qaeda to Iran. Anti-semitism is now fashionable on the far left.
The left didn't get the memo that the islamist nutburgers are after all of us.

Once again, I can only surmise that they didn't have a good father figure growing up and look for someone with authority, no matter who. And, their hatred of the west and the US, in particular, is so strong they would prefer the destruction of the west,even if it means themselves and their progeny as well. Gotterdammerung fur alles! Wasn't that old Schickelgruber's wish for the German people, if his dreams failed -- they deserved to be destroyed!

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You may have "little use for the cameras very where" but they are growing and are encouraged by the corporate media pundits who tell us not to worry. "Big Brother" is just looking out for us.

The warrantless searches have not been dropped, they are part of the PATRIOT ACT. The FBI was even forced to admit they had abused the act and Librarians also filed suit against the law but it lost. The law still stands but congress has said they will re-examine it.

Bush claims warrantless wire tapping will be stopped but when has he told the truth? It's done in secret. There are court cases trying to stop it but so far no one has been prosecuted or held accountable. Court cases against phone companies have been thrown out of court, last I read. Even though Bush says he will now use FICA he still claims "Inherent War Time Authority" to over rule it when he deems necessary.

The latest appeals court ruled the Military Commissions Act cannot allow the President to declare a suspect an "enemy combatant." It will over rule their constitutional rights which is the right to a lawyer, the right to face one's accuser and a trial. It accords the acussed the right to, "Due Process," which the Military Commissions Act does not. We are a waiting the next step and a Supreme Court decision. A lawyer friend I am aquatinted with told me that the Supreme Courts previous decisions tended to have been somewhat in favor of the defendant's rights which is why the Bush administration dropped the terrorism charge against Padilla. I don't know, we will have to see. Maybe the court will do the right thing and strike it down.

The law for Bush to use the Military as a Police Force also allows him to National current Police Forces under the authority of the President. It supersedes current laws and gives Bush the right to use the military and nationalize police forces, even if they are organized. The National Guard is for the purposes of handling disasters, not federal troops. .

Nicaragua was a communist country under the Sandinistas that held two elections, in 84 and one in 88 or 89. The main reason communist countries have no elections are because the capitalist begin a war with them immediately. When the people over threw the Czar in Russia capitalist countries in Europe and the US organized armies and invaded to restore the Czar and the system. When the people over threw Samoza in Nicaragua the US organized the contras, a terrorist group that killed over 15,000 people. Salvador Allende was a communist who was elected president of Chile. When he talked about Nationalizing the Copper industries, through the rule of law, which was being ripped-off by US corporations the US helped instigate a coup. When Castro overthrew the corrupt oligarchy in Cuba the US organized right wing Cubans to invade at the Pay of Pigs.

Countries don't even have to be communist or socialist to be on the US hit list. There are a number of good books by ex CIA agents, journalists and historians documenting them. John Perkins has been the latest to come out and expose US capitalism using military and covert murder and destabilization of countries like Panama, Guatemala in 1953, El Salvador, Iran in 54, the Congo in 63, so forth and so on.

In the 1980's, before the million and more we killed in the two Iraq Wars and our Panama invasion, bombing of Serbia, ex CIA agent John Stockwell wrote that the US alone killed over 6 million, promoting US dominance and our brand of capitalism, which is exploitation, colonialism and imperialism. Capitalism which was enforced by military imperialism and colonialism has killed untold millions for the last few centuries on every continent.

I don't know any communist groups that support al Qaeda. I myself believe in Socialism and I oppose US imperialism in the Mideast, and around the world. So do many people around the world who are capitalists. We also support justice.
As for Russia, Alexander Karenski, was the last legitimate leader of Russia, after Trotski threw him out in a coup de main. As a young man, I saw Karenski feeding the pigeons in Central Park -- poor old man. No true elections were held in Russia before it metastasized into the USSR.

While the Sandinistas did win in Nicaragua, they immediately started the same old land seizures, forced labor and closure of La Prensa -- an opposition newspaper. Their vaunted literacy campaign was exposed as a sham when it was revealed most of the literati couldn't even read their certificates. Even after losing in 1990, Ortega and his crew still live in the estates they seized -- living la vida haciendada.

Allende never received a majority, but was selected by the congress after signing the Statute of Constitutional Guarantees promising not to overthrow the constitution, which he promptly forgot. He was overthrown by a military coup, but only after general strikes and demonstrations in the streets. Originally it was reported he committed suicide. But, new confessions revealed his Cuban body guard murdered him, when he tried to negotiate with the military (take note Hugo Chavez).

Cuba is the result of a revolution, no true elections, and the fervent work of racist, gay bashing, murderous Che Guevara and his firing squads. In 1962 Cuba had eleven prisons. Now, Cuba has 300 (not counting Gitmo).

The Iran 1954 replacement of Mossedegh with the shah was more MI-6's work. Perhaps, you should blame Bond -- James Bond!

The 1963 incursion in the Congo was the work of the UN who actually took offense to human sacrifice and cannibalism under Lumumba, imagine that!

Communism delivered the two greatest human murder machines (USSR and China) in the history of Man, and spawned many smaller grotesqueries such as Pol Pot and his Killing Fields. Yeah, I know you Chomskites say it didn't happen, but I believe my bartender and his buddies. He was their God bless them!

Socialism is delivering forced euthanasia (Holland); household wealth less than Mississippi (Sweden) infantilization of the population striking and scrambling for scraps from government largess (France); chronic unemployment (France, Germany, etc.); a health care system that let 35,000 elderly die of heat prostration in government care (western Europe); and the destruction of European culture to such an extent they will not stand up to their encroaching dhimmitude by the islamists. Yeah, that's a real winner!
nterventor

As for Russia, Alexander Karenski, was the last legitimate leader of Russia, after Trotski threw him out in a coup de main. As a young man, I saw Karenski feeding the pigeons in Central Park -- poor old man. No true elections were held in Russia before it metastasized into the USSR.

While the Sandinistas did win in Nicaragua, they immediately started the same old land seizures, forced labor and closure of La Prensa -- an opposition newspaper. Their vaunted literacy campaign was exposed as a sham when it was revealed most of the literati couldn't even read their certificates. Even after losing in 1990, Ortega and his crew still live in the estates they seized -- living la vida haciendada.

Allende never received a majority, but was selected by the congress after signing the Statute of Constitutional Guarantees promising not to overthrow the constitution, which he promptly forgot. He was overthrown by a military coup, but only after general strikes and demonstrations in the streets. Originally it was reported he committed suicide. But, new confessions revealed his Cuban body guard murdered him, when he tried to negotiate with the military (take note Hugo Chavez).

Cuba is the result of a revolution, no true elections, and the fervent work of racist, gay bashing, murderous Che Guevara and his firing squads. In 1962 Cuba had eleven prisons. Now, Cuba has 300 (not counting Gitmo).

The Iran 1954 replacement of Mossedegh with the shah was more MI-6's work. Perhaps, you should blame Bond -- James Bond!

The 1963 incursion in the Congo was the work of the UN who actually took offense to human sacrifice and cannibalism under Lumumba, imagine that!

Communism delivered the two greatest human murder machines (USSR and China) in the history of Man, and spawned many smaller grotesqueries such as Pol Pot and his Killing Fields. Yeah, I know you Chomskites say it didn't happen, but I believe my bartender and his buddies. He was their God bless them!

Socialism is delivering forced euthanasia (Holland); household wealth less than Mississippi (Sweden) infantilization of the population striking and scrambling for scraps from government largess (France); chronic unemployment (France, Germany, etc.); a health care system that let 35,000 elderly die of heat prostration in government care (western Europe); and the destruction of European culture to such an extent they will not stand up to their encroaching dhimmitude by the islamists. Yeah, that's a real winner!

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I was going to mention Karenski but my post was long as it was and in reality he meant little for the real change needed in Russia. I never said Russia had elections. It was attacked by western capitalists to destroy the communist system, which is the real enemy of capitalists. A system that gives the working people and poor a share in the profits of the state. The Russian revolution disintegrated and Trotsky himself was forced to flee.

It never really delivered the promises to most of the people until after WW2 when over 20 million people died and half the country destroyed was able to industrialize itself into a somewhat modern society without any aid from the West. It literally "Lifted itself up by it's boot straps" but again corruption and patronage destroyed it from within.

When the Sandanistas ruled Nicaragua it was bankrupted by the Somoza regime. They struggled to implement land reform, health care, education and other social programs. They were preaised for their efforts by International Relief agencies. Attacks by the US sponsored proxy army, the contra's attacked health clinics, civilians, farms, power plants to also destabilize the economy. There were no forced labor camps and it was a democracy. Not only did I read about it I met people who went and liived there.

For years La Prense supported the contras and attacks on the country. The Sandinsitas threatened to close the paper after years of destabilization but I forget if they ever did. They may have closed it near the end of their term but I don't believe they did. It was exposed that it received money through the Endowment for Democracy, a US propaganda arm, and was part of the CIA destabilization campaign. It operated freely for years calling for strikes and such. One has to wonder what would happen here today if a leftist paper did such a thing.

Allende was the winner in Chile and did receive a majority of votes. That's why he won. I believe it was a 3 way race with run-offs. He never abolished the constitution and did everything according to law. He chose to remain in the Presidential Palace during the coup and refused to surrender. I have never read that he was murdered by a Cuban body guard and doubt he even had one. There was no reason to have one as a few generals did remain loyal to him and a number of officers in the military as the crises developed over months. I remember reading about one who was arrested and imprisoned and he made a statement that he remained loyal to the constitution. The new president Michele Bachelet's father was a military officer who was imprisoned, tortured and died under Pinochet for his continued support of the constitution, which Allende upheld. Bachelet herself was imprisoned.

Allende's threat was the same as the Sandinista's or Arabenz in Guatemala, Castro and Chavez, it is the threat of a good example. The end of the old corrupt oligarchy that is used by colonialist powers to rule.

Chile was destabilized by a CIA covert program.

Mossedegh was over thrown by the CIA and Kermit Roosevelt has since written a book about it and his participation in the coup.

Cuba has elections for local representatives and the assembly but Castro is President. US is at war with Cuba since Castro took power and has tried to murder him and overthrow the government to reinstate another US puppet that will allow US corporations to loot the country and exploit the people and labor.

There was no cannibalism under Lumumba it was part of a CIA disinformation campaign. It helped ferment ethnic divisions, and old technique by colonial powers. The US CIA overthrew him and supported the repressive regime of Mobutu, who was one of the leading human rights abusers in Africa and the most corrupt. Not as brutal as Idi Ammin but much more corrupt.

The Khmer Rogue were not really communist but took their beliefs from an ancient Cambodian dictatorship. They did have a communist type government but would never have come to power if the US hadn't bombed Cambodian villages, killing untold civilians and over threw Prince Shinouk and supported the corrupt and repressive General Lon Nol. The Khmer Rogue promised a peoples revolution and brought about a class upheaval but it was more along the lines of the French Revolution.

Chomsky never doubted it happened only pointed out that the US had instigated the whole situation that brought them to power, as did other progressive journalists and historians at the time, and that the numbers of deaths were inflated as a means of propaganda. He was right. Some reports claimed 6 million people killed while other said 4 million. I believe it was over one million and maybe close to 2. Still a lot of people but he never condoned it, only criticized the reporting. He also pointed out as that was occurring Indonesia invaded East Timor and slaughtered a third of the population with Ford and Kissengers approval and arms. Kissenger flew out of Jakarta the morning of the invasion.

Scandinavian countries as well as Europe have a higher quality and standard of life, including health care then America which ranks in the late teens or 20's.

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