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I just heard John Hagee, the bloated lardbag televangelist, orating on patriotism, the teaching (or lack of it) of American hastory in American schools, and the woeful ignorance of school children about such things as the founding fathers. Students of today don't even know who the founding fathers are, Hagee asserts, because of the way our schools teach (or don't teach or inadequately teach) American history.

Then Hagee, to embellish his point, introduces some quote from Thomas Jefferson. As an aside , he states that Jefferson "knew something about the Constitution because he wrote it." The television camera then pans along a pew of Hagee's flock and his gullible sheeple are seen as smiling and nodding confidently, undoubtedly thinking something like, "Nice point--Pastor Hagee really knows his stuff on American history."

So WHO is IGNORANT of American history? John Hagee, that is who! Thomas Jefferson was not at the Constitutional Convention. He was in France when the Constitution was written.

From the U.S. National Archives and Records Administration:

"Q. Was Thomas Jefferson a member of the Constitutional Convention?
A. No. Jefferson was American Minister to France at the time of the Constitutional Convention."

LINK:http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_q_and_a.html#cite

There were 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention. The signers are listed below. Jefferson is not among them. Nor was he among the other 16 who did not sign it. Hagee is a pompous, self-aggrandizing ignoramus!

1.Washington, George, VA
2.Franklin, Benjamin, PA
3.Madison, James, VA
4.Hamilton, Alexander, NY
5.Morris, Gouverneur, PA
6.Morris, Robert, PA
7.Wilson, James, PA
8.Pinckney, Chas. Cotesworth, SC
9.Pinckney, Chas, SC
10.Rutledge, John, SC
11.Butler, Pierce, SC
12.Sherman, Roger, CT
13.Johnson, William Samuel, CT
14.McHenry, James, MD
15.Read, George, DE
16.Bassett, Richard, DE
17.Spaight, Richard Dobbs, NC
18.Blount, William, NC
19.Williamson, Hugh, NC
20.Jenifer, Daniel of St. Thomas, MD

21.King, Rufus, MA
22.Gorham, Nathaniel, MA
23.Dayton, Jonathan, NJ
24.Carroll, Daniel, MD
25.Few, William, GA
26.Baldwin, Abraham, GA
27.Langdon, John, NH
28.Gilman, Nicholas, NH
29.Livingston, William, NJ
30.Paterson, William, NJ
31.Mifflin, Thomas, PA
32.Clymer, George, PA
33.FitzSimons, Thomas, PA
34.Ingersoll, Jared, PA
35.Bedford, Gunning, Jr., DE
36.Brearley, David, NJ
37.Dickinson, John, DE
37.Dickinson, John, DE
38.Blair, John, VA
39.Broom, Jacob, DE
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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Jefferson was not there, this is true, but he had immense influence on the Convention, nonetheless.

Arggggh... I am NOT defending Hagee.


Question for y'all. If I remember my history correctly, the States would not ratify the Constitution without a Bill of Rights, which came later. Was Jefferson in town for that?

He'p me.


nsns


Glad to help. Here is some "he'p"--from the same web page as the link I posted:

"What did Thomas Jefferson have to do with framing the Constitution?
A. Although absent from the Constitutional Convention and during the period of ratification, Jefferson rendered no inconsiderable service to the cause of Constitutional Government, for it was partly through his insistence that the Bill of Rights, consisting of the first ten amendments, was adopted."

And THAT is a far cry from Hagee's assertion that Jefferson wrote the Constitution.

And Hagee should be ashamed and chagrined to have made his error in the context of his own scolding rant about the sad state of public ignorance concerning Americal history in general and the founders in particular. He blew it! Thus, to his wildly un-Biblical millennialist beliefs and his far-fetched interpretaton of the role of the modern nation of Israel in Biblical prophecy, add his incompetence in American history. Hagee has way more influence than he deserves to have because he collects adherents who don't study Scripture for themselves, but rather get spoon-fed with the poison pablum dished out by Hagee.
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pompous, self-aggrandizing ignoramus!


Good lord bet,

One would think a crime of this magnitude deserves more than ‘lard bag’ and ‘pompous, self-aggrandizing ignoramus!’

I’m curious as to your state of mind immediately following the transgression?

Were you aghast? Taken a-back? In my estimation something as simple as you **** your pants would have called for at least a bast***.
Sit'N'Spin, you are really tore up over this. Do you make a weekly appointment of following Hagee's TV broadcast? Why were you watching it if you feel so strongly about the guy?

Question for you, Sit'N'Spin, is it possible that the guy just misspoke? Could it be that he knew the correct thing but just made a speaking mistake? I mean, we know you don't make TYPING mistakes, and you obviously know your American "hastory" beternanyoneelse, but sometimes homo sapiens make mistakes. He could've meant to say "Declaration" instead of "Constitution", and just misspoke. It happens.

Hasn't your preacher ever misspoke from the pulpit, Betern?

ps - calling that man "bloated" is obviously a petty childish shot at his weight. From pictures I see online, he is obviously quite overweight, but when he says something incorrect why do you take a shot at his weight? If you have him dead to rights on the comment, why take a petty, personal mean-spirited insult at the guy's physical problems? Does your religion advocate that? Frankly it says more about your world-view than it does about him.
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Originally posted by Henhouse Prowler:
Sit'N'Spin, you are really tore up over this. Do you make a weekly appointment of following Hagee's TV broadcast? Why were you watching it if you feel so strongly about the guy?

Question for you, Sit'N'Spin, is it possible that the guy just misspoke? Could it be that he knew the correct thing but just made a speaking mistake? I mean, we know you don't make TYPING mistakes, and you obviously know your American "hastory" beternanyoneelse, but sometimes homo sapiens make mistakes. He could've meant to say "Declaration" instead of "Constitution", and just misspoke. It happens.

Hasn't your preacher ever misspoke from the pulpit, Betern?

ps - calling that man "bloated" is obviously a petty childish shot at his weight. From pictures I see online, he is obviously quite overweight, but when he says something incorrect why do you take a shot at his weight? If you have him dead to rights on the comment, why take a petty, personal mean-spirited insult at the guy's physical problems? Does your religion advocate that? Frankly it says more about your world-view than it does about him.


He was specifically addressing the Constitution, not the Declaration of Independence, when he made his gaffe. And he evidently had extensive notes, since he kept looking down at the lectern to check his script. Thus, it is highly unlikely that he gor mixed up in the way you suggest.

As to my misspelling of history, I suppose it made no difference to you that in the several posts I contributed to this string, I spelled the word correctly all of the other 8 or nine times I used it, thus confirming that "hastory" was a simple mistyping. Your chiding on that point is stronge evidence of pettiness on your point--you who accuse me of pettiness because of my characterization of Hagee's "physical problem."

That "problem" is evidence that this holy Joe is guilty of the sin of gluttony, something that a man of the cloth should be ashamed of and repent of, but Hagee just keeps ballooning up.

As to why I tuned in to Hagee; well, from time to time I do tune in to the abominable Trinity Broadcasting network to see just what the crazy heretics are up to there. Does that bother you? Paul Crouch and his pink-haired wife (and there is some question of whether they are really married, but might have divorced but stay "together" to keep pulling down percs from TBN)are ludicrous caricatures who provide a bit of amusement to those who can see beyond their hypocritical and shabby pretenses. May their tribe decrease!
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Originally posted by beternU:
He was specifically addressing the Constitution, not the Declaration of Independence, when he made his gaffe. And he evidently had extensive notes, since he kept looking down at the lectern to check his script. Thus, it is highly unlikely that he gor mixed up in the way you suggest.

As to my misspelling of history, I suppose it made no difference to you that in the several posts I contributed to this string, I spelled the word correctly all of the other 8 or nine times I used it, thus confirming that "hastory" was a simple mistyping. Your chiding on that point is stronge evidence of pettiness on your point--you who accuse me of pettiness because of my characterization of Hagee's "physical problem."

That "problem" is evidence that this holy Joe is guilty of the sin of gluttony, something that a man of the cloth should be ashamed of and repent of, but Hagee just keeps ballooning up.

As to why I tuned in to Hagee; well, from time to time I do tune in to the abominable Trinity Broadcasting network to see just what the crazy heretics are up to there. Does that bother you? Paul Crouch and his pink-haired wife (and there is some question of whether they are really married, but might have divorced but stay "together" to keep pulling down percs from TBN)are ludicrous caricatures who provide a bit of amusement to those who can see beyond their hypocritical and shabby pretenses. May their tribe decrease!


OK. I'm with you. I don't think he "gor" mixed up either. Smart people don't make mistakes.

Never heard of Paul whoever or his wife. Gotta say it seems odd that for amusement you tune in to a religious network to make fun of the people who preach and host shows. Most people tend to participate in amusement that's more focused on their own achievement. Fishing, golf, sports in general, crafts, woodwork, you know "productive" things that give them joy.

A little surprised, but not stunned by any stretch, that "condescension" and "cynicism" are your ideas of recreation and amusement.
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Originally posted by Henhouse Prowler:
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Originally posted by beternU:
He was specifically addressing the Constitution, not the Declaration of Independence, when he made his gaffe. And he evidently had extensive notes, since he kept looking down at the lectern to check his script. Thus, it is highly unlikely that he gor mixed up in the way you suggest.

As to my misspelling of history, I suppose it made no difference to you that in the several posts I contributed to this string, I spelled the word correctly all of the other 8 or nine times I used it, thus confirming that "hastory" was a simple mistyping. Your chiding on that point is stronge evidence of pettiness on your point--you who accuse me of pettiness because of my characterization of Hagee's "physical problem."

That "problem" is evidence that this holy Joe is guilty of the sin of gluttony, something that a man of the cloth should be ashamed of and repent of, but Hagee just keeps ballooning up.

As to why I tuned in to Hagee; well, from time to time I do tune in to the abominable Trinity Broadcasting network to see just what the crazy heretics are up to there. Does that bother you? Paul Crouch and his pink-haired wife (and there is some question of whether they are really married, but might have divorced but stay "together" to keep pulling down percs from TBN)are ludicrous caricatures who provide a bit of amusement to those who can see beyond their hypocritical and shabby pretenses. May their tribe decrease!


OK. I'm with you. I don't think he "gor" mixed up either. Smart people don't make mistakes.

Never heard of Paul whoever or his wife. Gotta say it seems odd that for amusement you tune in to a religious network to make fun of the people who preach and host shows. Most people tend to participate in amusement that's more focused on their own achievement. Fishing, golf, sports in general, crafts, woodwork, you know "productive" things that give them joy.

A little surprised, but not stunned by any stretch, that "condescension" and "cynicism" are your ideas of recreation and amusement.


Never heard of Paul Crouch or Jan Crouch? You must not be even minimally in touch with much that happens within the money-grubbing televangelist crowd or you would have recognized these two grifters, the leaders of a pack of "prosperity gospel" hucksters who prey on gullible and weak-minded dupes, who in turn send them multiplied millions of dollars. They are an interesting, if corrupt, crowd. You might find some amusement and not a little disgust in watching them a little now and then. Once you have gotten yourself informed on what they are about, you might develop some cynicism yourself about such weasels as these.

Contrary to the worst-case and erroneous assumption you have made and then proceeded to spin on, I spend very little time actually watching the tripe on TBN. I do have numerous other interests that trump TBN by a large margin. Just thought I would let you know that, since it puts the lie to your cheap-shot assumption about my interests.
I sometimes tune into Trinity Broadcasting Network too. It's a great comedy show but I can only stand so much at a time.

It's funny to hear Paul Crouch use the doo doo word & pink haired Jan Crouch shout Amen!

Another even better comedy show is that Christian station in Russellville that has the "Christian" citizens of town that think they can sing, get in front of the camera & have at it.
It's too funny!

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