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John Kerry recently told students that "you know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't you get stuck in Iraq."

I believe that those who serve in our military represent the very best of America, and they deserve to be honored, not insulted by the likes of John Kerry.

John Kerry Should Apologize.
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That man's a dipsnot...yes, I said dipsnot. Razzer

To be honest, I generally find members of our military to have a much broader view on life because of their very unique life experiences. They have seen the world and can compare our neck of the woods to much more than the average Joe. They also usually see what's really important in life. I've said it before, but...there is wisdom that can only be gained through experience.

Nobody really knows John Kerry's military background, now do we? Never did release the full story. Hmmm...he probably sat in a room drinking tea while others got the job done. He definately didn't gain any wisdom.
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Originally posted by Domino:
This is OLD news, as I believe Kerry did apologize. Find another Democrat to pick on.


The closest thing I can find to an apology is
"Apologies? Sure, from the cut-and-run Democratic candidates who've cancelled appearances with Kerry. "

But Kerrys web page also says "Although there are plenty of well-educated people in our armed forces -- Kerry was one of them -- military service has long been an opportunity employer for those with less education and fewer skills than they need to work in the private sector."
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Domino:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/01/kerry.remarks/index.html

I get it, Kerry Insults the President's intelligence, then adds that the President's lack of intelligence got the USA stuck in Iraq, and the President, using his supreme powers of reason and analysis, says Kerry insulted the Troops.

Seems to me the President should be apologising to the troops for STICKING THEM IN IRAQ.
I take it you haven't listened to Kerry speak for himself. Listen to his speech and then tell me he's misunderstood. I'm not Rep or Dem; so it's not a party attack for me. BTW, I wish elections for president were tomorrow so I could vote for ANYBODY rather than vote for Bush. Oprah looks great compared to Bush. Smiler
I have 13 years and counting of active duty time in the Army. I have served in Iraq. My take on John Kerry's "apology".

There is no draft. People are not forced to decide to "go to war or go to jail." It is a decsion, and the decision to join the military are numerous in number, based on one's personal choice.

IMHO, John Kerry did NOT apologize. No "apology" posted without a press conference to the MSM just like his statement was posted all over the MSM is an apology in my book. Instead, it shows yellow and cowardice.

Now, if Hanoi John Kerry really DID and MEAN to apologize, then he should use the following as an example:

In 1943 during the invasion of Sicily, Operation Husky, (rank at the time) LTG George S. Patton, the commander of the operation, visited a field hospital. He noticed among the wounded a crying, sulking soldier. LTG Patton asked the soldier what was wrong. Soldier replied he couldn't take it. A doctor told LTG Patton the soldier suffered from 'battle fatigue' (what we know of today as Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder). LTG Patton was furious, and in the end, slapped the soldier. Word of this incident got out, and finally reached GEN Dwight D. Eisenhower, CinC of Allied forces in the ETO. GEN Eisenhower was furious. GEN Eisenhower ordreed LTG Patton to apologize not just to the soldier in person, but to personally visit EVERY unit on Sicily and apologize. LTG Patton did just that. It is believed this incident kept LTG Patton from becoming the Allied land forces commander in charge of Operation Overlord, the D-Day invasion of France on 6 June 1944. As we know it today, LTG Patton's subordinate, LTG Omar Bradley, became Overlord's Allied forces commander. When word got out of this, the German forces were shocked and couldn't believe that LTG Patton would not lead Overlord; they felt LTG Patton the Allies' best field commander.

Bottom line: I do not accept Hanoi John Kerry's "apology." I think it a sham. Additionally, most others I serve with feel the same. Hanoi John Kerry is a joke, and a failed leader.
Please add two more grains of sand to that mountainous mole hill.

I neither cared for John Kerry, but he served with distinction in the Viet Nam War, whereas ol' Bushie boy attempted to keep our nation safe from the Mexicans between snorting lines of cocaine and bottles of Jack Daniel's, Jim Beam and Old Crow. Then, coming up MIA in Montgomery, Alabama while campaigning for Red Blount, a Republican contributor to his daddy's campaign, in AL.

Strange... he's not doing much protecting of our borders now.

Reckon why?

Where's that armor for those HummVees?

Why'd they even have to go begging for it?
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Originally posted by Brentenman: "...if Hanoi John Kerry really DID and MEAN to apologize... I do not accept Hanoi John Kerry's "apology."
Whatever "honor" Hanoi John Kerry served with in Vietnam, went to pot when he lied about the conduct of U.S. soldiers in Vietnam to the U.S. Senate in 1971.....and marching with the VVAW and Hanoi Jane Fonda at the same time.

Secondly, Bush served in the Air Defense Command....that had mostly an Air NG wing to it. Nothing wrong with that.

Third, Shoals Lover, keep reading and drinking the See B.S. kool-aid from Dan "the Man" Rather....he got fired from See B.S., remember that, for that very same story you are babbling about.
In 1972 Kerry met with the leaders of North Vietnam to basically bad mouth the US. I consider this giving aid and comfort to the enemy which is treason. He should have been arrested as soon as he stepped foot on American soil. Instead, the intelligent people of Massachusetts elected him to office. He has no business being in this country, let alone having any say in it's leadership.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Rumor is, Shrub is perfect!

So, he's gonna' sacrifice himself and start a new religion!

He ain't NEVER made a mistake... NEVER!

He's the Second Christ!

Remember... "there ought to be limits to freedom."

"There's a lot of garbage in politics, and, obviously, this is a garbage man."

'Just Say No to Former Cocaine User for President.'

'Just Say No to Alcholic for President.'

Bushie/Shrub reportedly used cocaine while at Camp David while his daddy was the prez.

Boozer, loser.

Big spender.

Mental midget.

Incompetent

ImPOTUS.
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Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
Please add two more grains of sand to that mountainous mole hill.

I neither cared for John Kerry, but he served with distinction in the Viet Nam War, whereas ol' Bushie boy attempted to keep our nation safe from the Mexicans between snorting lines of cocaine and bottles of Jack Daniel's, Jim Beam and Old Crow. Then, coming up MIA in Montgomery, Alabama while campaigning for Red Blount, a Republican contributor to his daddy's campaign, in AL.

Strange... he's not doing much protecting of our borders now.

Reckon why?

Where's that armor for those HummVees?

Why'd they even have to go begging for it?
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Originally posted by Brentenman: "...if Hanoi John Kerry really DID and MEAN to apologize... I do not accept Hanoi John Kerry's "apology."


Alot of the Armor was in little rock and it was too cold, the guys didnt put it on too quickly until we built a temp shelter for them.
Letter from Iraq

SENATOR JOHN KERRY
304 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING
WASHINGTON DC 20510


DEAR SENATOR KERRY:


WE ARE STILL LAUGHING OVER HERE IN IRAQ AT YOUR JOKE ABOUT THE TROOPS
BEING DUMB. WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT YOU ARE A LOT SMARTER THAN WE ARE BECAUSE
YOU WERE ABLE TO GET OUT OF COMBAT IN THREE MONTHS. THIS IS WHY WE ARE
SEEKING YOUR ADVICE. PLEASE GIVE US GUIDANCE.


1.) WHERE IS THE LEAST PAINFUL AREA ON THE BODY TO INFLICT A WOUND?
2.) DOES IT HAVE TO B LEED OR WILL A SCRATCH DO?
3.) WHERE DO YOU GET THE FORMS TO FILL OUT RECOMMENDING YOURSELF FOR A PURPLE HEART?
4.) DO YOU NEED A WITNESS? IF SO, HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST?
5.) ARE THREE PURPLE HEARTS STILL GOOD FOR A TRIP HOME?
6.) WHAT IS A REALISTIC PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH TO ACQUIRE THESE WOUNDS?

LESS THAN THREE MONTHS SOUNDS A LITTLE SUSPICIOUS EVEN TO US.


THANKS FOR YOUR HELP AND KEEP THE JOKES COMING.


JUST A DUMB G.I.


P.S....WHAT ADVICE CAN YOU GIVE ME ON HOW TO MEET REALLY RICH WOMEN?
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
I'm surprised there are still people around who think party affiliation means anything. The vast majority of politicians are snakes who'll do or say anything to get elected. They'll take money from anybody and support the cause that gets them the most dough.


Joy is right on this one.... You may THINK that someone is party affiliate, but in reality the OTHER party is paying their campaign... our elections have gone to pot!!!
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Originally posted by _Joy_: "They'll take money from anybody and support the cause that gets them the most dough.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit: Joy is right on this one.... You may THINK that someone is party affiliate, but in reality the OTHER party is paying their campaign... our elections have gone to pot!!!



...which is exactly why

1.) Hillary Clinton does not need to be the Democratic Party's candidate, and

2.) mandating publicly funded campaigns and forbidding private money to an individual's campaigns is a good idea!

You'll recall that the Supreme Court ruled that money equates with our First Amendment insofar as the more money you have, the more free you are.

Of course, never mind that such an insane idea completely flies in the face of the entire idea behind every one of our founding documents!

Using such an idea as mandating publicly funded campaigns would not disallow private money, but it would all go into one pot to be divided evenly between the candidates.

That way, a true debate over substantive issues -and not negative name, calling, character assassinations- would emerge.

Such is L O N G overdue!
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Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
...which is exactly why

1.) Hillary Clinton does not need to be the Democratic Party's candidate, and

2.) mandating publicly funded campaigns and forbidding private money is a good idea!

You'll recall that the Supreme Court ruled that money equates with our First Amendment insofar as the more money you have, the more free you are.

Of course, never mind that such an insane idea completely flies in the face of the entire idea behind every one of our founding documents!

Using such an idea as mandating publicly funded campaigns would not disallow private money, but it would all go into one pot to be divided evenly between the candidates.

That way, a true debate over substantive issues -and not negative name, calling, character assassinations- would emerge.

Such is L O N G overdue!


For it! Wish I had the power to "make it so".
I am a veteran, and I think that anyone who serves their country, in any military conflict, their military service should be honored. John kerry did go to Vietnam, and was wounded in action. George Bush stayed at home and boozed it up,and who knows what else, and didn`t show up for his Guard Drills.
I am not taking up for John Kerry completely, I don`t think he should have said what he did. He seems to have a problem getting his brain and his mouth to work together.
I think what he was talking about was the way it was during Vietnam,and it is still a little that way today. During the Vietnam war most of the rich kids went to college, went to the reserves or the guard, or went to Canada.Some got married to stay out of the military,and there were even rumors that some of the rich kids bought their way out of the draft.
I think what it comes down to is, that if you look back at the wars since World War II, they were mostly fought by the poor,few of the rich go to war,and if they do it is for a different reason than the poor.It doesn`t have anything to do with anyones intelligence.
I also think that this country doesn`t give a **** about its veterans period. They feed everyone this line of B.S. about how much they think of the veterans,but you wait until the veterans, need something and see how much they help.
I was in the Air Force from 1968 until 1972. I was lucky I guess, I never had to go to Vietnam. Some of my classmates did go, one or two didn`t make it back. I heard how the Vietnam veterans that came back to the states were spit on and called baby killers and other things, I was lucky I lived in a small town ,I didn`t have to put up with that.
It wasn`t but a few years later, to add insult to injury, that they gave all the **** draft dodgers that went to Canada and other places a pardon. They also gave the guys that got agent orange dumped on them a card that promised them some money for their injuries,but as far as I know none of them have recieved anything. When you went to get a job, veterans were supposed to get preference,but you would have been better off to never have told them you were a veteran.
Over the years I have watched a certain government agency, I won`t call the name, hire drunks, dopeheads, excons, and people with bad military discharges. It is easier for someone like that to get a job there than it is for a veteran. I think that if a person can`t serve his country when they ask him to, or be a good citizen, he shouldn`t have a government job.
I know that we were lied to about Vietnam, and the reason that we were there. If we had stayed there ten more years we still couldn`t have won the war.
I also know that Iraq was also a big lie. I am not saying that we shouldn`t support the troops. I think that we should support them in any way that we can. If we were going to invade anyone it should have been Iran. By taking Saddam Hussien out we have taken out all the resistance against Iran. Saddam Hussien would never have let Iran get nuclear weapons next door to Iraq.
Kerry requested active duty in a Vietnam war zone while serving aboard the USS Gridley.

Bush kept Texas safe from invasion by Mexico. Then, he got high & drunk in Alabama while campaigning for Red Blount, then neglected to report for his flight physical, which got him grounded. For a pilot to get grounded is career death.

During the night of 2 Dec 68 & early morning 3 December 69, Kerry fired upon sampans which failed to stop, he was wounded in the return fire in his left upper arm. (Purple Heart)

Kerry was hit by RPG shrapnel in his left leg on 20 Feb 69 while accompanying helicopters were attacked. The shrapnel remains embedded today. (Purple Heart)

According to Vice Admiral Zumwalt whom cited Kerry for the Silver Star, on 28 Feb 69, Kerry jumped off his swift boat to chase a VC carrying a RPG who was targeting the ship and crew, and killed him, while directing fire toward the enemy. (Silver Star)

On 13 March 69, Kerry was received shrapnel wounds in a firefight after destroying a bunker on the Bay Hap River. Their boat hit a mine, was ejected from the water, threw a Green Beret into the water, and Kerry, with an injured arm, pulled him from the water. (Bronze Star & Purple Heart)

The only medal Shrub ever got was, was, was...

Wait!

Shrub never got a medal!

Kerry served on active duty voluntarily in a war zone with honor, Bush did not.

Kerry exercised his First Amendment rights after he completed his contractual obligations to the military.

Shrub wants to eliminate the First Amendment.

To call Kerry's medals trivial, is to call those who awarded them to him trivial.

Shrub never got medals.

Shrub got drunk.

A drunkard president.

Is there any wonder America is so messed up?

Anyone even vaguely familiar with alcoholics and their sick mental behavior and their effects upon families, can tell that what we're seeing from Shrub now is exactly the type behavior associated with alcoholics.

Obstinate, selfish, refuse to listen, bull-headed, every one else is wrong...

Bush has shown the world America's Pathological Presidency.
Sorry, themax, Kerry is not a traitor, he fought, he got rewarded, and rightfully so. What SL is saying about the prezzz NOT getting any medals and the reasons why is true.

Do I like Kerry? NO... Do I think he said some of the wrong things? YES. Do I understand WHAT he was saying and WHY??? Yes, as a matter of fact I do, and I think most all of Americans understood what he was saying.

I think Kerry loves the Troops as much as any of us do, but he was making the points that NO WHERE in our Congressionall Halls, or Senate, or any Big Wheel can we find THEIR kids fighting in Iraq...

Kerry said it wrong, but for goodness sake...Let us get the Bushism's Book out and compare the hundreds/thousands he has said since 2000.... LOL!!! No comparisons!!!
Well, seems like what Kerry meant is up for debate. That is a small thing in comparison to Bush, "the Deserter." The Deserter used his father's rich and powerful friends to get into the Texas Air Force Reserve, for whick he was not eligible, since he had not taken Air Force ROTC in college. Money always talks though and two weeks after the Deserter got in he was made a 1st Lieutenant - and for what ? Because he was a rich man's son he was put ahead of 600 other young men, some of whom probably went to Viet Nam and lost their life. What did he do? He got special permission to come to AL to work in the campaign of Winton Blount and to attend meetings of the AL Air Force Reserve. According to several reliable sources he got drunk every night and bragged the next morning to others working in the Blount camapaign. He did not attend one meeting of the AL Air Force Reserve, in the 9 months he was in AL. Absent without leave for over 30 days is DESERTION ! He has lied and gotten this country into a terrible war, which has cost the lives of thousands of innocent Iraqis and almost 3,000 young Americans. He should be Impeached and if found guilty serve time in a Federal Prison. But, he is not alone in the lies; Dick Chaney, Rumsfeld, and Rice have also lied and they all should be impeached and sentenced to serve time in prison.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Sorry, themax, Kerry is not a traitor, he fought, he got rewarded, and rightfully so. What SL is saying about the prezzz NOT getting any medals and the reasons why is true.

Do I like Kerry? NO... Do I think he said some of the wrong things? YES. Do I understand WHAT he was saying and WHY??? Yes, as a matter of fact I do, and I think most all of Americans understood what he was saying.

I think Kerry loves the Troops as much as any of us do, but he was making the points that NO WHERE in our Congressionall Halls, or Senate, or any Big Wheel can we find THEIR kids fighting in Iraq...

Kerry said it wrong, but for goodness sake...Let us get the Bushism's Book out and compare the hundreds/thousands he has said since 2000.... LOL!!! No comparisons!!!


Kerry is a traitor, plan and simple. Many of the men that he "fought" with came out against him during the election exposing him for the fraud that he is. He met with America's enemy in France in '72. He does not love the troops, he has no respect for them at all.

In 1971 Kerry testified before the Senate about supposed incidents that happened in Vietnam, none of which were proven. These are the same kind of things he told the North Vietnamese. See for yourself how Kerry really feels about the troops and our country.

"I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command...."

"They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

"We are also here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently, where are the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership? We are here to ask where are McNamara, Rostow, Bundy, Gilpatric, and so many others. Where are they now that we, the men whom they sent off to war, have returned? These are commanders who have deserted their troops, and there is no more serious crime in the law of war. The Army says they never leave their wounded. The Marines say they never leave even their dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a pious shield of public rectitude. They have left the real stuff of their reputations bleaching begin them in the sun in this country...."

He is a traitor who not only deserves no respect, he deserves to be tried as such.
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Originally posted by themax:
Sorry K.S. but I just can't bring myself to respect Sen. "why the long face" Kerry. If you lay with dogs you may wake up with fleas.


themax... I think most of the fleas were born back in 2000 and the itching hasnt stopped since, the rest is history.

I never expected anyone to respect the way Kerry said what he said, I didnt like it anymore than anyone else did, and sit there with my mouth wide open listening to the replay's of it.

But when he apologized, and explained what he meant, it made sense. Our country has a history of getting long lines of High School Seniors signing on the dotted line, and taking in anything else that will sign on if our Country needs them. It may be sad, and it may not be that in EVERY situation, but on the whole, that is where the actual beloved Soldiers of our Nation come from.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Use the ignore feature. I don't see any offensive picture or nonsensical ramblings. It's great!


Nash, you are too young to remember, but these sort of pics were splashed all over the news way back when this was going on... (yes I am that old).. I have seen them, I understand them.

But IN NO WAY do I want nor NEED for my grandsons to see them, nor should any other child see them... it may be part of history, but thank God, it is a part we can shield our children from, dont you think?

You think they are great??? You are thinking that with a 20+ year old mind... think about an 8, 9, or 10 year old seeing it... whole different story, and that is TOO young to expose them to the horrors of the world.

Now do you see where I am coming from?

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