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In case you don't know anything about it, Josh Dugger is the oldest child of the TLC show, "19 Kids & Counting.

He was sent into a “treatment program’ which turned out to be an acquaintance he moved in with and helped build homes. After approx. 2 years, his parents felt that he no longer had any problems & that all of this had been resolved." Why would his Dad report the incident to police if it had been resolved?

I saw on the news last night that TLC has pulled the show from the air. Good for them!!

My guess is that this isn't over yet, & that Dad, Jim Bob Dugger, will have things to answer for.

 

"We hope somehow the story of our journey – the good times and the difficult times – cause you to see the kindness of God and learn that He can bring you through anything." The Duggers

 

http://www.foxnews.com/enterta...ng-to-police-report/

 

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There are several problems that i have with the story.  First off when did they first know this happened?  Why was nothing said then?  Could be they were afraid of DHR or some other group taking away the kids because of their homeschooling and other parental practices or their faith.  Really though it should have been addressed and reported because at this point it very much appears to be an obstruction of justice potentially.   My feeling is that one reason they might not have reported it when they knew is also the feeling that their source of income, the show, would be pulled.  It's really hard to say but it sure looks bad.  

 

Makes you also wonder why even say something now?   Could be that someone had found out about it and was threatening to reveal it unless they were paid off.  Who really knows why but the worst thing about it is that it appears to have been concealed until the statute of limitations had expired.

Originally Posted by gbrk:

There are several problems that i have with the story.  First off when did they first know this happened?  Why was nothing said then?  

Makes you also wonder why even say something now?

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One of his sister's finally told their parents, evidently it had been going on for a long time. When she spoke up, some of the girls outside the family also came forward, then another sister came forward. Heard on the news today that TLC pulled the show off the air. 

From what I've read, someone in law enforcement reported it.

I don't know if the whole truth will ever come out but I think it's pretty obvious that there was an attempt on the father's (and mother's) behalf to keep the event(s) covered up.  As why they felt need to cover it up is up for debate.  Surely the worries about losing the TV Series which no doubt paid for their huge home, vehicle(s) and ability to raise 19 kids had to be on his mind and thoughts that they would lose the series and it's income had to be ever present. 

 

I, though, feel that money may have taken a second seat to another fear that, for them, would be even more disastrous and real.  That fear would be that DHR or some Government bureaucrat would declare them to be unfit parents and move in and move to take the kids away from them and pass them out to foster homes.   Given many liberals opinions about Christians and Christian parents who home school their children it's not beyond possibility that since this was done by the oldest that they would move to take some if not all of the younger kids saying that they were unfit to raise so many given the fact that this went on right under their eyes. 

 

Often times parents, Christian and non-Christian, like to think that their own Children are beyond reproach and that they cannot do any wrong.  Sometimes Christians, mistakenly, think that if they keep their kids from secular environments, such as public school, that they will shield them from the temptations that other secular kids have only to find out that everyone is subject to the same temptations and sins or evils, if you will.

 

Very often kids raised in a ultra strict Christian household are the ones who rebel the worst and in a most fragrant way.  No matter what the statistics say there is no justification for molestation of kids, even by other kids.  There should be some outlet for punishment as given the news about the person and organization that he was sent to it's almost a case of the blind leading the blind and makes you wonder just what might still be there lurking in the shadows.  It's just bad all around and I don't know that we've seen the end of it yet, even with the steps that the TV Station has taken to eliminate the series and the reruns.

Originally I didn't know much about what happened and not being one that watches their program I also wasn't aware that this happened before the show.  I was under the (incorrect) impression that they made decisions about this to avoid having the show cancelled but that's not the case.   These things happened before the show ever began.

 

Regarding the word hypocrite ... seems to me that there is a great deal of hypocrisy on the part of those who are condemning them and being so critical of them yet NO, not a single word, about those who (with an agenda) released these police documents and also no condemnation against the magazine that made it public.  All the talk is as if this son, and the father, and seemingly the whole family, should be banished and punished in the most horrendous way for the son touching these girls.   What he did wasn't right and non one is saying it was but there is silence about the releasing of this information and use of it publicly and no one saying that those who did the releasing and publicizing of it needing to be punished.   What Josh did was a poor decision made many years ago, as a child (himself) and revealed only because he had remorse over it and sought forgiveness.  Those who released the information and are making so much about it today are doing so purposely and are adults who know that these girls are being damaged by it.  There are many hoping that the release of this information can in some way shut up the family and cause them to lose their TV series.  There is no doubt that there was an agenda behind the release and use of the information yet no condemnation that the original victims are now made victims again and this time deliberately.   

 

The real hypocrisy here is how people are saying this is so bad yet having absolutely no problem with these girls being used and victimized again in order to try and strike out at the Family, most certainly because of their Christian beliefs and advocacy for those beliefs when it comes to Gay Marriage and abortion and other issues.  People are pointing fingers at them claiming they are judgmental yet at the very same time the very same people are making judgments about them.  They are doing exactly the same thing that they are accusing the family of doing.

 

Personally I hope that the family and the kids individually, have suits against the State of Arkansas as well as the employee that released the documents and certainly against the publication that made it public.   The State employee that released the papers should suffer financially for certainly that's why she waited to release it.  Wait until she was to retire and nothing could be done about it and potentially resulting in her losing her job.  

 

After hearing the interviews and getting the information from the Family and direct from the Girls the real horrible people are the ones using this, from the standpoint of having an agenda, and have no concern or (REAL) care at all for the Girls or actual victims of the touching, acting as if the Family are the evil ones while having no concern or condemnation about those who would release the information that was promised to be kept private due to their ages.  

Originally Posted by Stinky Inc.:

This is so wrong. Jim Dugger's approach to treatment is more of a cover-up to protect his exploration of his family and income. It's not uncommon for a victim, to become an offender or the develop other issues in having stable relationships. 

I also though that but after hearing the actual details it happened way before the show and was already dealt with.  The victims in this case never knew what happened until they were told.  It was touching not rape or even penetration of any kind and while what he did was wrong and he knew it was wrong, confessed it and ask forgiveness for it what's being done to them now is being done with intent to harm them financially.  What's being done or has been done now was done by people with intent to harm the family, to shut down the show, to embarrass them and ridicule them and being done purposely.    Where is the outcry about victimizing these girls NOW but willing people who are doing it with a purpose in mind?   An agenda behind their actions that certainly cause harm to the girls?  THAT is what is SO WRONG!

I saw the interview last night of the Dugger girls. You can't tell me that those girls weren't told by Daddy what to say. There is not a girl anywhere that will not wake up when someone puts his hands in her panties. To say they didn't know what had happened until afterward is a lie fabricated by Jim Bob Dugger. This is a man that finds husbands for his daughter's, not allowed to be alone until they are married, can't sit next to each other when in the same room, & Jim Bob shows them how to kiss correctly, (using his wife as a model). This man is a weirdo & has no business showing other people how to live. He has a 24 year old daughter that wants to move out to go to college & he's refusing to pay for her education if she moves out. This daughter made the statement that she's tired of being a nanny & a house keeper. I hope she runs as fast & as soon as she can.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

She's 24 and has been on the show too? If so she should have plenty of money to do whatever she wants.

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Daddy has control of her money, as he does of all the kids. She should get a lawyer to break whatever kind of contract they have. Since she was a minor when the show began, he probably has it where they don't get money until they're 30.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

They're saying the duham woman was just 'being a kid', blah blah blah and so forth, but he wasn't just being a kid, he's a pervert. Google and read what SHE did and see if you think wow!

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Who's the duham woman?

I think Jim Bob, his parner and the Duham woman had a threesome.

Josh is pi**** he wasn't invited.

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

They're saying the duham woman was just 'being a kid', blah blah blah and so forth, but he wasn't just being a kid, he's a pervert. Google and read what SHE did and see if you think wow!

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Who's the duham woman?

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Lena dunham, a pig that sexually molested her sister, but gets a pass because she's a lefty.

 

 

Last edited by Bestworking
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
 

Lena dunham, a pig that sexually molested her sister, but gets a pass because she's a lefty.

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She may be a "lefty", I really don't care if she is. What I do care about is these people, like the Duggers, that play the Christian card but have all these things in their past that they hide, or just forgot to mention. Being a Democrat is no where as bad as being a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by gbrk:
Originally Posted by Stinky Inc.:

This is so wrong. Jim Dugger's approach to treatment is more of a cover-up to protect his exploration of his family and income. It's not uncommon for a victim, to become an offender or the develop other issues in having stable relationships. 

I also though that but after hearing the actual details it happened way before the show and was already dealt with.  The victims in this case never knew what happened until they were told.  It was touching not rape or even penetration of any kind and while what he did was wrong and he knew it was wrong, confessed it and ask forgiveness for it what's being done to them now is being done with intent to harm them financially.  What's being done or has been done now was done by people with intent to harm the family, to shut down the show, to embarrass them and ridicule them and being done purposely.    Where is the outcry about victimizing these girls NOW but willing people who are doing it with a purpose in mind?   An agenda behind their actions that certainly cause harm to the girls?  THAT is what is SO WRONG!

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You need to study this case more carefully.  Police reports obtained for the story on the Duggars indicate that there was considerably more touching then just touching through the girls' clothes and that there were instances in which the girls WERE awake when Josh was meddling with them; thus they DID know what was going on. Consider ALL the facts and take the Duggar version with a large lump of salt.

You need to study this case more carefully.  Police reports obtained for the story on the Duggars indicate that there was considerably more touching then just touching through the girls' clothes and that there were instances in which the girls WERE awake when Josh was meddling with them; thus they DID know what was going on. Consider ALL the facts and take the Duggar version with a large lump of salt.

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Study it for what reason? All this and a buck might get you a cup of coffee, doubtful but maybe. Do/did you spend this much time on the scandals in your church? He didn't rape the girls did he? I would like to know, seriously, what made him a pervert but lena dunham was just being a kid. Read what she did to her sister, and her mom knew and didn't stop her. Any idea why the difference?

Last edited by Bestworking
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

You need to study this case more carefully.  Police reports obtained for the story on the Duggars indicate that there was considerably more touching then just touching through the girls' clothes and that there were instances in which the girls WERE awake when Josh was meddling with them; thus they DID know what was going on. Consider ALL the facts and take the Duggar version with a large lump of salt.

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Study it for what reason? All this and a buck might get you a cup of coffee, doubtful but maybe. Do/did you spend this much time on the scandals in your church? He didn't rape the girls did he? I would like to know, seriously, what made him a pervert but lena dunham was just being a kid. Read what she did to her sister, and her mom knew and didn't stop her. Any idea why the difference?

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I don't know anything about lena dunham, except that she has become Exhibit 1 in your standard "so's yer old man" routine.  I strongly suspect, though, that if Josh had been the son of a prominent Democratic political family, you would be all over his case like a duck on a June bug.

 

And no, he did not rape any of the girls, but so what?   Must a sexual offense rise to the level of rape before you find anything seriously wrong with it?

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When have I ever been all over the stories like a 'duck on a junebug'? There are plenty of rotten dem kids that have done as bad as this or worse. Where are the threads? How is this 'so's yer old man'? It's a legitimate question that apparently you want to avoid. She is on TV, the duggers are on TV. She's a lefty, the duggers are conservatives. You're all tingly about the dugger story, you call her story a 'so's yer old man' attempt. Go figure.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

When have I ever been all over the stories like a 'duck on a junebug'? There are plenty of rotten dem kids that have done as bad as this or worse. Where are the threads? How is this 'so's yer old man'? It's a legitimate question that apparently you want to avoid. She is on TV, the duggers are on TV. She's a lefty, the duggers are conservatives. You're all tingly about the dugger story, you call her story a 'so's yer old man' attempt. Go figure.

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If YOU wish to start up a thread on the dunham matter, then do so, and I will be pleased to contribute.  But I feel no obligation to comment on every "so's yer old man" response you put up

in your driving compulsion to find a Democrat, progressive, liberal , etc. who is involved in the same category of wickedness as person(s) named and discussed in the original thread. I will have no part in that kind of childish deflection.

If YOU wish to start up a thread on the dunham matter, then do so, and I will be pleased to contribute.  But I feel no obligation to comment on every "so's yer old man" response you put up

in your driving compulsion to find a Democrat, progressive, liberal , etc. who is involved in the same category of wickedness as person(s) named and discussed in the original thread. I will have no part in that kind of childish deflection.

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"Childish deflection, so's yer old man".  In other words you have no defense. You're a hypocrite and that's all anyone can make of it. I have posted what I wanted to post about her, I have no need for a thread. She's a lefty, she molested her sister, you don't care, you've gone crazy over the duggers even demanding they be 'held accountable'. Accountable to who I asked. It's none of your business and they don't have to explain anything to you. You can comment anywhere on the dunham woman if you wanted to. If I made a thread you'd only run again.

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I've read very little about the Dunham story but did she portray herself & her family as Christian people? I'm very offended that the Duggers were portraying themselves as the perfect Christian family when they had ghost in their closet they wanted kept hidden. A man that will not let his daughters touch, as in simple hand holding, a boyfriend before marriage, will sit/walk between them to prevent touching, will show boyfriend how to kiss his daughter once married, all in the name of God, is a sick, creepy individual.  

 

Best, I have Christian people in my family that are Democrat's & support Obama. How they can call themselves a Christian & support someone like Obama, in my eyes, is not a Christian in the way the Bible teaches a Christian to be, but I wouldn't call them a hypocrite, because they are very honest in how they feel.

Well, the duggers could be just as honest in the way they feel. Maybe they truly feel they weathered the storm. I haven't read anything except that it happened, they were pretty young, his sisters have said he is not a pervert or molester, why they say that I don't know. He felt like he had done something wrong, so did his family. The dunham woman sees nothing wrong with what she's done, neither does her family.

 

I didn't label her a hypocrite, I labeled the ones that called what she did 'a kid being a kid' and what he did as perversion, as the hypocrites. When or if you read it, it's pretty clear what she did wasn't a kid being a kid!! I also mentioned rosie o'pig taking up for her pal for child molestation and running down someone else. So hypocrites, pick a side. Either you're for it or against it, and if one upsets you, so  should the other.

 

You started a thread, that wasn't enough for beternnun, he had to make one. I don't see why he cares so much. Lefties are so funny. They spend all the time and money telling us what is 'normal' behavior in kids, what we should let go, and then go apesnot crazy with delight when they can attack a conservative. Freaking insane democrats.

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As much as I disagree with Jim Bob and his rules of engagement between

his family and rest of the world isn't any of my business. I only have an over

all concern about it. Still none of my business. I would like to see the family

benefit for a while longer from the TV show if possible.

 

What nauseates me are the pathetic cry babies who whine about (whoever)

showed no remorse, he/she showed no sorrow, showed no emotion.

Who cares. When has it mattered before anyway.

 

News flash, children involved in touchy feely and parents try to save face,

the dirty bas*****. It just never happens around here, or there either.

So that gives me and connie the right to stomp on their heads for at least

the next five weeks. Us rednecks love this sh**. 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

What nauseates me are the pathetic cry babies who whine about (whoever)

showed no remorse, he/she showed no sorrow, showed no emotion.

Who cares. When has it mattered before anyway. 

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Then I suppose I'm one of those "pathetic cry babies". The Duggers made their lives the business of the public when they chose to put it out there for everyone to see & tell everyone how to live, who's going to Hell & who's not. It's people like these & others that made me run as fast from Christianity as I could go, & I will not apologize for the way I feel.

I just wonder how long it will take before one of those Dugger girls come out from under daddy's thumb & write a Tell All book.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well, the duggers could be just as honest in the way they feel. Maybe they truly feel they weathered the storm. I haven't read anything except that it happened, they were pretty young, his sisters have said he is not a pervert or molester, why they say that I don't know. He felt like he had done something wrong, so did his family. The dunham woman sees nothing wrong with what she's done, neither does her family.

 

I didn't label her a hypocrite,

You started a thread, that wasn't enough for beternnun, he had to make one. I don't see why he cares so much.

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If you've ever listened to the Duggers & the way they believe, yes, they feel they are right in every move they make because God tells Jim Bob, he passes it on to the family, & they dare not question him. I would say Daddy Jim Bob has told those kids what to say & when to say it. I'm sure they feel they did weather it until someone evidently got tired of watching/hearing about their holier than thou reality show & decided to tell some truths.

As far as the Dunham family, I don't know if they're Christians or not. The Duggers would probably say the Dunham woman is possessed of a Demon.

 

I mentioned hypocrite because the Democrats think they are in the right & everyone else is wrong. At least they are honest in that.

As far as Contendah, you have to overlook him......he's a COC. That should explain it. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

If YOU wish to start up a thread on the dunham matter, then do so, and I will be pleased to contribute.  But I feel no obligation to comment on every "so's yer old man" response you put up

in your driving compulsion to find a Democrat, progressive, liberal , etc. who is involved in the same category of wickedness as person(s) named and discussed in the original thread. I will have no part in that kind of childish deflection.

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"Childish deflection, so's yer old man".  In other words you have no defense. You're a hypocrite and that's all anyone can make of it. I have posted what I wanted to post about her, I have no need for a thread. She's a lefty, she molested her sister, you don't care, you've gone crazy over the duggers even demanding they be 'held accountable'. Accountable to who I asked. It's none of your business and they don't have to explain anything to you. You can comment anywhere on the dunham woman if you wanted to. If I made a thread you'd only run again.

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I have run from nothing.  My information on the Duggars got you running all kind of rabbit trails trying to dodge the fact of the demonstrated inconsistency of their story with the official police accounts.

I have run from nothing.  My information on the Duggars got you running all kind of rabbit trails trying to dodge the fact of the demonstrated inconsistency of their story with the official police accounts.

 

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I've dodged nothing, I couldn't tell you anything about the duggers and couldn't care less about them or their 'inconsistencies'. If they were looking for me to make 'rabbit trails' as you put it they'd be sorely out of luck. You're the one obsessed, and why I don't know. That's my interest. Why you're so obsessed with it and why you act like you have personally made a big score or won some kind of victory. It's a not a big story, certainly not deserving of all your hysteria about it. Yes, you ran, you've run from your own threads when you got your tail embarrassed and you know it. You're still messing up.

Last edited by Bestworking
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I have run from nothing.  My information on the Duggars got you running all kind of rabbit trails trying to dodge the fact of the demonstrated inconsistency of their story with the official police accounts.

 

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I've dodged nothing, I couldn't tell you anything about the duggers and couldn't care less about them or their 'inconsistencies'. If they were looking for me to make 'rabbit trails' as you put it they'd be sorely out of luck. You're the one obsessed, and why I don't know. That's my interest. Why you're so obsessed with it and why you act like you have personally made a big score or won some kind of victory. It's a not a big story, certainly not deserving of all your hysteria about it. Yes, you ran, you've run from your own threads when you got your tail embarrassed and you know it. You're still messing up.

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Now we know that the Dugger scandal is no big deal, hardly worth any attention, because Best says so.  Never mind that it made headlines from coast to coast and was the subject of innumerable news stories on network and cable television.  I suppose all those reporters are just "obsessed" like I supposedly am, and are thus exhibiting their "hysteria."

 

Now, though, all of us can tune down our interest in the Duggar affair, since Best has declassified it as not meriting our attention.  After all, if it is no "big story" for Best, it should not rank as a "big story" with anyone else. And Best's credentials for her bold declaration of the relative irrelevancy of the Duggar business are impeccable, since Best candidly tells us that she "couldn't tell you anything about the duggers."  Yes, she can't tell you ANYTHING about them, but she somehow "knows" that whatever is being discussed about them is driven by obsession and hysteria.

Who's we? I was posting to you. It's a big deal to you for some reason, but not to me. It's such a big deal that you made a thread about it even when semi had already done so and people were discussing it. You don't mind stepping on her but get all bent out of shape if you think someone has done it to you. I'm much more interested in foreigners coming into the country and scamming millions of dollars to send to their countries of origin to support goodness only knows what, or pay for even more of them to swarm into the country, and people in our country aiding them in doing so, or ignoring the problem. The horrible truth, when these things go on there is always that part of the public that know what is going on and stand quiet about it. That's what's going to do us harm, not the duggers.

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