Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well jimma all you did was repeat yourself. I thought you wanted to tell me how karla faye killing two people was OK. It was her bad luck that she didn't get you on her jury but maybe one day you'll get to turn a sick murdering ***** loose. That will make you feel better I'm sure, and when you do turn them loose don't worry about the fact that it will make you no better than them.

If you are going respond with a rant, at least get your facts straight. Don't make up what you wanted me to say. Just stick to what is real. Otherwise, you just sound foolish. What I said is true and accusing me of anything doesn't change what you are.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Firenze,

You write, "I rarely support capital punishment, as in death.  I do support Life Without Possibility Of Parole.  I certainly thought that Tucker's death sentence should have been commuted, but I was not the one to decide that.  While I honestly believe she was a changed woman, it's pretty easy for every prison inmate to claim an epiphany.  Should we release them all?  If a bank robber repents should we allow him to keep his money?  It's called a slippery slope."

You and I are on the same page with this.  Just as with the followers of Charles Manson, the same with Karla Faye Tucker -- if their conversions are real (and I cannot judge that; only the person and God can) -- I say commute the sentence to life in prison without  parole.

Yet, to me, that would be a worse sentence -- for a Christian believer, even one who has committed horrible crimes, knows that leaving this world means being with Jesus Christ.   Personally, I would rather be with Him than in prison for life.  On the other hand, being in prison still offers a true believer the chance to be His witness and to help lead others to salvation in Jesus Christ.

In one of his prison epistles, Paul wrote to the people of Philippi, in Philippians 1:21-24, "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is  gain.  But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose.  But I am  hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in  the flesh is more necessary for your sake."

That should always be the desire of a Christian believer -- to live on, regardless of circumstances, and bear fruit of salvation among those still in the grasp of today's secular world and society.

Several times I have written about my Friend, Momma Olga Robertson, who spent almost 50 years of her life in prison ministry -- for 25 years living within the prison compound of the largest prison in Manila, in a home built for her and her son, Shalom, by the inmates.

Olga witnessed to prisoners at all levels -- from petty thieves to those on death row.  She helped quite a few, even among those on death row, become Christian believers.  But, those believers on death row all had one thing in common at their execution.  They died with a smile on their faces -- for they knew that in just a few moments they would be in the presence of their Lord and Savior, Jesus  Christ -- for eternity.

Olga Robertson wrote a book about her years living in New Bilibid Prison in Manila, Philippines.  The title is The Men In My Life and anyone interested in a copy can probably get it through the Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa (California) book store -- or I can put you in touch with Olga's daughter, Kay, who can help you.

There is a great article about Momma Olga Robertson in the Calvary Chapel Magazine:


http://www.calvarymagazine.org...nal_testimony_25.pdf

 

An excerpt from that article tells us:


Not long ago, a young woman, Anna Jose, was introduced to Olga’s autobiography, The Men In My Life, in a Sunday school class.  The book includes the story of the three rapists.  Anna told the Sunday school teacher that she was the product of one of those rapes.  When Olga was introduced to Anna, she comforted the young woman with the assurance that her father had repented of his sins and would one day be there to meet her in heaven -- where their shared history of sorrow and shame would be forever turned to joy.


Yes, good can come from past evils -- when God is allowed into the story; when the door is opened and Jesus Christ is invited to come in (Revelation 3:20) and be our best Friend.

So, Firenze, like you, I most likely would have voted for Karla Faye's conviction to be commuted to Life Without Parole.  But, that decision was not placed upon our shoulders.

Yet, you and I do have certain powers.  We have the power of prayer for our nation and its leaders.  And, we have the power of the vote -- which we will get to exercise in a major election coming in 2012.   We have the power to bring more Christian influence into the governing bodies in America.

Before our atheist and secularist Friends begin to jump up and down, screaming, "Theocracy!  Theocracy!  Theocracy!" -- let me assure all of our Friends that no Christian believer, still functioning with a sane mind, wants a mortal theocracy in America.  What we want to see is more Christian influence in the governing bodies -- to balance the overwhelming secular power there today.

There is only one theocracy that Christians want to see -- and that will come after the Rapture and after the seven year Tribulation.  It is called the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ -- and He WILL rule the world from the throne of David in Jerusalem for 1000 years.   That theocracy we look forward to enjoying.   A mortal theocracy today -- would be as bad as having a totally secular government.

So, please keep this in mind when you vote in 2012 -- Christian influence in government, not a theocracy, leading us back once again to the Christian America of our roots.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Here is an excellent example of flag desecration. Isn't there a federal law against this?

If you are going respond with a rant, at least get your facts straight. Don't make up what you wanted me to say. Just stick to what is real. Otherwise, you just sound foolish. What I said is true and accusing me of anything doesn't change what you are.

 

 

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What I am? At least I'm not a murdering thug lover like you. I ask you how you felt what she did was OK. I see you don't have an answer and you don't really care what she did, you just want to take the side of cold bloodied killers and mouth off. That makes you no better than they are and maybe you shouldn't worry about what I think but look at yourself.

Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

If you were wondering about Christian justice, see this.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...&feature=feedlik

 

DF

This video describes Bill’s form of Christianity. This is not the way it really is. People like the Son of Sam killer David Richard Berkowitz and Jeffery Dawmer just because they accept Christ as their Savior does not wash them clean. Those who live this life the best they can and die without the knowledge of the Love of Christ and what this life’s purpose is, will have the opportunity in Paradise to learn and grow. But just accepting Christ as your Savior does not give you a Ticket to Heaven.

Skippy 

 

Skippy, if you can say Jeffery Dahmer, who repented of his sins and was baptized for remission of sins, is not going to heaven, someone can say I'm not going to heaven, and, guess what? If someone can say I'm not going to heaven, someone can say you're not going to heaven. We are not the judges.

This is a case I've been following, and fingers crossed that this ******* gets the death penalty like his slimy partner.

 

 

 

 

A Connecticut jury today found Joshua Komisarjevsky guilty of taking part in the murders of Dr. William Petit's wife and two daughters in a brutal home invasion that ended with his daughers tied to their gasoline splashed beds and the house on fire.

Komisarjevsky, 31, was found guilty on a battery of 17 counts that included murder, burglary, kidnapping, sexual assault and arson.

Several of the counts make him eligible for the death penalty including causing someone's death during a kidnapping and causing a death during the commission of a sexual assault.

The jury began deliberations on Wednesday morning and it took them about nine hours to return a verdict of guilty on charges he murdered Jennifer Hawke-Petit, 48, Hayley Petit, 17, and Michaela Petit, 11.

He will now undergo a death penalty hearing to determine if he spends the rest of his life in prison or is condemned to execution by lethal injection. Those hearings will begin Oct. 24.

The Petit family was in court as the verdicts were read and rubbed each others' shoulders comfortingly in reaction.

Komisarjevsky had no visible reaction.

Komisarjevsky's accomplice, Steven Hayes was convicted last year for his role in the July 23, 2007 home invasion, murder and torture of the Petit family. He was sentenced to death and is currently on Connecticut's death row.

 

Komisarjevsky

Petit Home Invasion Trial: Joshua Komisarjevsky Is Guilty [ABC News)         

Confession: Steven Hayes, who is accused of beating Dr William Petit and killing his wife and two daughters in their home after a robbery got 'out of control'Hayes

Semi, I know that I have never judged whether someone was going to hell or not. I may think Adolph Hitler, etc., is, but that is still not for me to decide.

 

I have judged actions of some, as all do. It's common sense to avoid those who may attempt to hurt us or those we love. I certainly dislike politicians who steal from the public, and am not afraid to denounce them. If there is something I have posted that you question, please feel free to ask me about it.

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

Semi, I know that I have never judged whether someone was going to hell or not.

 

I have judged actions of some, as all do. It's common sense to avoid those who may attempt to hurt us or those we love. If there is something I have posted that you question, please feel free to ask me about it.

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I didn't mention Hell. Doesn't matter what kind of judgment one makes about another. If anyone judges another that's no longer here to defend themselves, it's wrong. That is what I have seen you do.

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