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<<<Cats are spending their nights looking for animals to murder.

That's according to new research from the University of Georgia showing manyhouse cats spend their nights looking for birds, chipmunks, voles, frogs and reptiles to kill. But they aren't doing it because they're hungry; Time Magazine notes the cats only ate what they killed 30 percent of the time. Half of the time they left their prey to rot and about 21 percent of the time they brought their kill home.

 

"Kitty Cams" were put on 60 pet cats in the Athens-Clarke County area by a UGA research team, partnering with National Geographic. The cats wore "lightweight, waterproof units with LED lights to record activity at night," which recorded a total of more than 2,000 hours of fairly high quality video on a mini SD memory cards.>>>

 

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"The study surmised that 1 in 3 American bird species are in decline primarily because of domestic cat predation."


http://www.communitypub.com/co...ake-cat-lovers-happy


The cats that were studied were pet house cats that were only allowed outdoors only part of the day or night.  Free roaming feral cats that are at large outdoors for 24/7 and not fed by owners or others undoubtedly are even worse killers.


This is why I and others have from time to time destroyed  free-roaming feral cats and will continue the practice whenever and wherever it is legal to do so and  the opportunity presents itself.

I yam what I yam and that's all I yam--but it is enough!

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Not sure if you are referencing the recent cat killin' by the river or not, but while I agree with you , it is only up to a point. 

Cats are territorial, and if feral cats are "fixed" as some are claiming about the McFarlan cats are, then if you kill them,. there is the high possibility that a non-fixed cat will move in to that territory. 

Then , you are set up for even more feral cats. 

People are too irresponsible, you can't kill 'em all.(cats that is)

Originally Posted by Contendah:

 

 

<<<Cats are spending their nights looking for animals to murder.

That's according to new research from the University of Georgia showing manyhouse cats spend their nights looking for birds, chipmunks, voles, frogs and reptiles to kill. But they aren't doing it because they're hungry; Time Magazine notes the cats only ate what they killed 30 percent of the time. Half of the time they left their prey to rot and about 21 percent of the time they brought their kill home.

 

"Kitty Cams" were put on 60 pet cats in the Athens-Clarke County area by a UGA research team, partnering with National Geographic. The cats wore "lightweight, waterproof units with LED lights to record activity at night," which recorded a total of more than 2,000 hours of fairly high quality video on a mini SD memory cards.>>>

 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/n...loc=interstitialskip

 

"The study surmised that 1 in 3 American bird species are in decline primarily because of domestic cat predation."


http://www.communitypub.com/co...ake-cat-lovers-happy


The cats that were studied were pet house cats that were only allowed outdoors only part of the day or night.  Free roaming feral cats that are at large outdoors for 24/7 and not fed by owners or others undoubtedly are even worse killers.


This is why I and others have from time to time destroyed  free-roaming feral cats and will continue the practice whenever and wherever it is legal to do so and  the opportunity presents itself.


Very strange post. You seem to have a problem, one I don't believe anyone on this forum can help you with. You may need to talk with someone about this.

The cats that were studied were pet house cats that were only allowed outdoors only part of the day or night.  Free roaming feral cats that are at large outdoors for 24/7 and not fed by owners or others undoubtedly are even worse killers.

 

Then you also have those cats that are spayed and neutered and never go outside a house. Usually a very calm, chilled out cat. But yeah, cats are natural born predators. 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Gingee:
Very strange post. You seem to have a problem, one I don't believe anyone on this forum can help you with. You may need to talk with someone about this.

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That's rich, coming from you.

Still trying to stir up hatred are you? You must be feeling lonley again. If you would get out more often and get off that keyboard you may be able to vent some of your frustrations. You are not going to achieve the therepy you need from the bright minds you confide in on this forum.

Originally Posted by Gingee:

Still trying to stir up hatred are you? You must be feeling lonley again. If you would get out more often and get off that keyboard you may be able to vent some of your frustrations. You are not going to achieve the therepy you need from the bright minds you confide in on this forum.

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Just like Billy, can't handle the truth, can you? If the two of you weren't so pitiful, you would make a great comedy act.

Give your frustrations a break, you & he should go out for an ice cream cone.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Gingee:

Still trying to stir up hatred are you? You must be feeling lonley again. If you would get out more often and get off that keyboard you may be able to vent some of your frustrations. You are not going to achieve the therepy you need from the bright minds you confide in on this forum.

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Just like Billy, can't handle the truth, can you? If the two of you weren't so pitiful, you would make a great comedy act.

Give your frustrations a break, you & he should go out for an ice cream cone.

Thank you for your concern. I left at 6:30 this morning & had a great day with family.

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

They're murderous little bustards, no doubt, but that is their nature.  Their predatory nature is why they are only semi-domesticated.

 

But still, don't murder them as well.  Cats are part of a natural ecosystem.

 

Practice spaying and neutering, as well.

 

DF

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The house cat is NOT a part of the ecosystem of this nation or this continent.  They are an exotic introduction--a non-native species.  It was UN-natural for them to become any part of the North American ecosystem. You missed the mark on that one, DF.

 

Under that last argument, we need to kill all the horses, pigs, sheep and cattle as they aren't part original ecosystem.  Should we slaughter all the camels in Arabia as they migrated from the Americas and died out here?

 

This post is getting a bit scattered.  I suggest everyone chill out.  Contendah, go drown a few kittens.  I'm sure it'll make you fill better. 

Anyone remember the topic “ANIMAL LOVERS WE NEED YOUR HELP!”? That discussion was in 2010 & turned into 5 pages of discussions. Trader started the topic because of a colony of stray cats that lived on the Muscle Shoals TVA Reservation at the Rock Pile Picnic and Boat Launch Area. Those cats became known as the "ROCKPILE CATS". I won’t go into all the details but because of contendah’s remarks concerning cats he reminded me of beternU, of which some say he is the one & same.

 

In that discussion beternU made this remark:

“Call them "feral" or "stray" or "alley" or any other name you wish. Free-roaming cats are a menace to wildlife and the best habitation for them is the bottom of a weighted-down gunny sack in the bottom of the lake.” That remark was on page 1 and there were many more of them.        

       

Bill Gray has always claimed that contendah is beternU. (we all know how Bill loves to twist the truth) beternU is still listed as a member here, so why would he became contendah? I’m not going to guess if he is or not because I have been accused of being someone else. I mention it because their remarks about cats are almost exactly the same.

Here's the discussion if anyone wants to read it.

 

https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/d...3#208733512873068693

I'm pretty sure contendah and bettern-nun are one and the same. One thing I'd say about his  

insane hatred for cats is, if he is killing them, I hope the humane society or law enforcement steps in and "handles" him. Or maybe some real human being will catch him in the act and give him a "life lesson". Some people are just mean and they take that out on innocent things like animals, children, old people. They choose to "pick on" something or someone helpless that can't fight them back. I don't know what rational SANE thinking person can read contendah's rant and very STUPID excuse for killing these animals and not get a worried feeling about the thinking behind it. The ferals around here have done very little to rid us of the vermin he talks about "protecting". There are plenty of birds, or as I call them, flying "**** machines", to drop their nasty waste all over houses, yards, driveways, decks, porches, cars, playground equipment, you name it. The cats do seem to keep the mice and rats away, but once more, it's my dogs the critters have to worry about if they come into our fenced back yard. I would be willing to go into fields and trap any mice and rats there, that the birds haven't eaten, take them to contendah, and he can let them run all over his house and property, get into his wiring, food, and **** and urinate all over.

Cats hunt out of instinct. Man hunts for the pleasure of killing. Let's do away with hunters. Of course we'll need a LOT of big "gunny sacks" and blocks. 

Don't worry about any cat killing activity by me.  It has been years since I sent any kittie cat to a dirt nap. In all cases, the cats were of the "free-roaming feral" type, i.e. not owned by anyone and simply running at large,as I indicated earlier, and were dispatched swiftly, humanely, and legally.  

 

It is uniformly agreed by wildlife management experts that feral cats do NOT belong in the natural ecosystems of this nation.  It is well documented that they destroy millions of desirable animals, including songbirds, annually.  There are millions of  people who appreciate birds and who want to see them protected from the predatory activities of killer cats. I am confident that the pro-bird community vastly exceeds in numbers the handful of sanitation freaks like you who get their panties in a wad over occasional little bird droppings here and there. By the way, those feral cats produce their own versions of "number 2," don't they?

 

No "intense hatred" here, Bestworking--just concern that we should all work to reduce depredations of desirable native wildlife by undesirable, free-roaming alien invasive killer kats!

Originally Posted by Contendah:

Don't worry about any cat killing activity by me.  It has been years since I sent any kittie cat to a dirt nap. In all cases, the cats were of the "free-roaming feral" type, i.e. not owned by anyone and simply running at large,as I indicated earlier, and were dispatched swiftly, humanely, and legally.  

 

It is uniformly agreed by wildlife management experts that feral cats do NOT belong in the natural ecosystems of this nation.  It is well documented that they destroy millions of desirable animals, including songbirds, annually.  There are millions of  people who appreciate birds and who want to see them protected from the predatory activities of killer cats. I am confident that the pro-bird community vastly exceeds in numbers the handful of sanitation freaks like you who get their panties in a wad over occasional little bird droppings here and there. By the way, those feral cats produce their own versions of "number 2," don't they?

 

No "intense hatred" here, Bestworking--just concern that we should all work to reduce depredations of desirable native wildlife by undesirable, free-roaming alien invasive killer kats!

***************just concern that we should all work to reduce depredations of desirable native wildlife by undesirable, free-roaming alien invasive killer kats!************************

 

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I guess I should start trapping and killing those "song birds" that crap all over everything, plenty of people do just that, but I have enough sense to realize that is a part of nature, just like cats catching and killing the little **** machines are a part of nature. Maybe those "songbirds" should stay away from the cats, and dogs, and OTHER birds. Panties in a wad? Really? I'd say it's YOU that has their panties in a wad over a cat occasionally catching a bird. What do all you "concerned" bird lovers intend to do with all the other things that catch and kill birds? Cats are not their only/or number one threat.  Take cars off the roads too, because I remember all the birds I've hit with my car over the years. I really doubt you killed anything humanely or legally, you just don't strike me as the kind to be concerned with being humane. Yes, cats produce #2 AND #1, but not on my porch, deck, car or anything else I come into contact with. Cats bury their waste. Your "songbird" will drop it on your head, a child's head, and on things people touch. And again, I hope that when you do "dispatch" the next cat or other animal, someone sees you and proper steps are taken. If your rantings aren't from an insane hatred/twisted thinking, I'd hate to see one that was.

Contendah,

 

Do you just dislike cats in general or are you only opposed to feral cats? I had an uncle that believed that cats caused his little sisters death. He believed she had gotten a disease from them. She actually died of cancer, but he held that idea all his life and would kill any cat that wandered in his yard. He would freak out if he saw one of his children (or any children for that matter) holding a cat.

 

Just curious where your dislike started.

 

There have been some recent studies done that have made me rethink my love for kitties.

http://healthland.time.com/201...-to-attempt-suicide/

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Contendah,

 

Do you just dislike cats in general or are you only opposed to feral cats? I had an uncle that believed that cats caused his little sisters death. He believed she had gotten a disease from them. She actually died of cancer, but he held that idea all his life and would kill any cat that wandered in his yard. He would freak out if he saw one of his children (or any children for that matter) holding a cat.

 

Just curious where your dislike started.

 

There have been some recent studies done that have made me rethink my love for kitties.

http://healthland.time.com/201...-to-attempt-suicide/

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I don't dislike cats in general.  My dislike is for cats to be allowed to roam out of doors, either as feral cats or as cats whose owners "put the cat out" at night or at other times to travel around unconstrained. I submit that it is unkind to allow one's pet cat to roam at will.  I see some of them on the roads from time to time in the form of "sail cats," i.e. cats flattened out so thin you can grab them by the edge and sling them like a frisbee. No way to treat your cat. Keep 'em in the house!

 

A house cat kept in the house is okay by me, though I would not choose to keep one myself.

 

P.S.  Your link did not work for me.

Here is the full article:

 

Are ‘Cat Ladies’ More Likely to Attempt Suicide?

 

Women who are infected with the common cat parasite Toxoplasma gondii may be more vulnerable to suicide, a new study finds, adding to the evidence that T. gondii or Toxo, as the bug is known, may cause subtle changes in the human brain that lead to personality changes and even mental illness.

The parasite is excreted in cat ***** — which is why pregnant women are advised not to change the litter box — but it also spreads through undercooked meat and unwashed vegetables. Pregnant women who become infected with T. gondii can pass it onto their fetus, possibly causing brain damage or stillbirth. Now the new study finds that expectant mothers who have the infection, called toxoplasmosis, may themselves be at higher risk of suicide.

The finding comes from a study of 45,788 Danish women who gave birth between May 15, 1992, and January 15, 1995. University of Maryland School of Medicine researchers tested the women’s babies for T. gondii antibodies, which the infants could only have acquired from their mothers, and compared infection rates to the women’s suicide rates logged in the Danish health registry. The team also cross-checked the mental health registry to find out if any of the women had been previously diagnosed with mental illness.

(MORE: Crazy Cat Love: Caused By Parasitic Infection?)

They found that women who were infected with T. gondii were one-and-a-half times more likely to attempt suicide than uninfected women. The higher the levels of T. gondii antibodies found, the higher the suicide risk. They were also more likely to try to commit suicide violently, with a gun, sharp object or by jumping. When the researchers took into account women’s previous mental illness, they found that those who had toxoplasmosis were more likely to attempt suicide than those who had been mentally ill.

“We can’t say with certainty that T. gondii caused the women to try to kill themselves, but we did find a predictive association between the infection and suicide attempts later in life that warrants additional studies,” lead study author Dr. Teodor T. Postolache, an associate professor of psychiatry and director of the Mood and Anxiety Program at the University of Maryland School of Medicine, said in a statement.

The findings fall in line with previous studies on T. gondii infection in humans. (In animals also, the parasite has been shown to subvert brain chemistry and manipulate behavior, sometimes dangerously.) A Czech scientist, Jaroslav Flegr, has studied T. gondii‘s effect on human personality and mental illness for decades, as detailed in a lengthy article in The Atlantic in March. The bug resides in about one-third of the world’s population (in the U.S., 10% to 20% are infected), but it usually doesn’t cause any noticeable effects — healthy people fight off the flu-like symptoms of an initial infection, after which the parasite lies dormant in the brain. “[O]r at least that’s the standard medical wisdom,” wrote Kathleen McAuliffe in The Atlantic:

If Flegr is right, the “latent” parasite may be quietly tweaking the connections between our neurons, changing our response to frightening situations, our trust in others, how outgoing we are, and even our preference for certain scents. And that’s not all. He also believes that the organism contributes to car crashes, suicides, and mental disorders such as schizophrenia. When you add up all the different ways it can harm us, says Flegr, “Toxoplasma might even kill as many people as malaria, or at least a million people a year.”

(MORE: The Science of Women and Cats: The Bond Is Real)

Still, Flegr acknowledged that the effects of the parasite on personality were “very subtle” and that the “vast majority” of people wouldn’t even know they were infected. As for whether T. gondii infection could be used to predict self-harm or the odds of a car crash, Stanford neuroscientist Robert Sapolsky told McAuliffe: “[I]’m not too worried, in that the effects on humans are not gigantic. If you want to reduce serious car accidents, and you had to choose between curing people of Toxo infections versus getting people not to drive drunk or while texting, go for the latter in terms of impact.”

In the new study, researchers couldn’t establish that T. gondii infection caused increased risk of suicide, only that it was associated. And they’re not sure exactly why the link exists. “Is the suicide attempt a direct effect of the parasite on the function of the brain or an exaggerated immune response induced by the parasite affecting the brain? We do not know. In fact, we have not excluded reverse causality as there might be risk factors for suicidal behavior that also make people more susceptible to infection with T. gondii,” said Postolache in the statement.

The authors call for further studies focusing on the biological mechanisms of the parasite and how it may affect people’s suicide risk and other personality factors. If the findings hold up, perhaps T. gondii infection could be used to help prevent some of the 10 million suicide attempts that occur each year. “If we can identify a causal relationship, we may be able to predict those at increased risk for attempting suicide and find ways to intervene and offer treatment,” Postolache said.

In the meantime, people should cook their meat through, wash their vegetables and give their kitchen knives a good scrubbing to avoid spreading or contracting the parasite.

The study was published online in the Archives of General Psychiatry.

 

 

Originally Posted by Contendah: 

This is why I and others have from time to time destroyed free-roaming feral cats and will continue the practice whenever and wherever it is legal to do so and the opportunity presents itself.

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Originally Posted by Contendah:

Don't worry about any cat killing activity by me. It has been years since I sent any kittie cat to a dirt nap. In all cases, the cats were of the "free-roaming feral" type, i.e. not owned by anyone and simply running at large,as I indicated earlier, and were dispatched swiftly, humanely, and legally.

It is well documented that they destroy millions of desirable animals, including songbirds, annually. There are millions of people who appreciate birds and who want to see them protected from the predatory activities of killer cats. I am confident that the pro-bird community vastly exceeds in numbers the handful of sanitation freaks like you who get their panties in a wad over occasional little bird droppings here and there. By the way, those feral cats produce their own versions of "number 2," don't they?

No "intense hatred" here, Bestworking--just concern that we should all work to reduce depredations of desirable native wildlife by undesirable, free-roaming alien invasive killer kats!

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It's been years since you "sent any kittie cat to a dirt nap" but you'll continue the practice whenever the opportunity presents itself?  Exactly what makes it "legal" for you to kill a cat?  

How do you know you haven't killed a cat not owned by anyone? Cats that have an owner will sometimes run "at large" as you call it. A cat that belongs to someone will sometimes roam the neighborhood.

 

Do you think those people that kill birds with a B.B. gun have as much right as you do to kill cats? The bird po*p that gets on my patio & patio furniture is not what you call the "occasional little bird droppings". Want to come to my house everyday to clean those little droppings off my patio so you can keep your birds from a dirt nap? BTW, have you ever watched a cat long enough to know that after they po*p, they will cover it up? 

 

 

Have you ever heard that a serial killer will start out killing animals, & then graduate to people? Anyone that puts an animal into a sack, weight it with a rock or block, & throw it into a body of water to drown it is what I would call a future (if not already) serial killer. If that's not "intense hatred", tell me what is. 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Originally Posted by Contendah: 

This is why I and others have from time to time destroyed free-roaming feral cats and will continue the practice whenever and wherever it is legal to do so and the opportunity presents itself.

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Originally Posted by Contendah:

Don't worry about any cat killing activity by me. It has been years since I sent any kittie cat to a dirt nap. In all cases, the cats were of the "free-roaming feral" type, i.e. not owned by anyone and simply running at large,as I indicated earlier, and were dispatched swiftly, humanely, and legally.

It is well documented that they destroy millions of desirable animals, including songbirds, annually. There are millions of people who appreciate birds and who want to see them protected from the predatory activities of killer cats. I am confident that the pro-bird community vastly exceeds in numbers the handful of sanitation freaks like you who get their panties in a wad over occasional little bird droppings here and there. By the way, those feral cats produce their own versions of "number 2," don't they?

No "intense hatred" here, Bestworking--just concern that we should all work to reduce depredations of desirable native wildlife by undesirable, free-roaming alien invasive killer kats!

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It's been years since you "sent any kittie cat to a dirt nap" but you'll continue the practice whenever the opportunity presents itself?  Exactly what makes it "legal" for you to kill a cat?  

How do you know you haven't killed a cat not owned by anyone? Cats that have an owner will sometimes run "at large" as you call it. A cat that belongs to someone will sometimes roam the neighborhood.

 

Do you think those people that kill birds with a B.B. gun have as much right as you do to kill cats? The bird po*p that gets on my patio & patio furniture is not what you call the "occasional little bird droppings". Want to come to my house everyday to clean those little droppings off my patio so you can keep your birds from a dirt nap? BTW, have you ever watched a cat long enough to know that after they po*p, they will cover it up? 

 

 

Have you ever heard that a serial killer will start out killing animals, & then graduate to people? Anyone that puts an animal into a sack, weight it with a rock or block, & throw it into a body of water to drown it is what I would call a future (if not already) serial killer. If that's not "intense hatred", tell me what is. 

 

 

 

 

You seem to think cats feral or otherwise do not harm anything which can be far from the truth.  I am going to have to deal with a neighbors cat that they refuse to keep on their property and is destroying my patio furniture and boat interior.  The cat is spraying on everything and shredding the fabric of my furniture and boat interior and cover.   I actually feel bad for the animal but the owner will not do anything simply says cats cannot be trained to stay on their property "the opinion a lot of people use".  The last straw was it scratching my wife's new infinity.  Have all the cats you want but keep them on your property.  It seems that cat owners in particular think they should not have to worry about keeping their animal on their property.

I'm not a cat owner, don't even like cats. I just think it's horrible to put any animal in a sack, weight it down with something & drown it. Why is that not considered animal cruelty to you?

 

Cats can't be trained to stay in one area, or at least I've never seen it done. I don't know where you live but with the problem you're having with a cat, you can go to the animal shelter, get a cage, catch the cat & they will come pick it up. As long as it's on your property, you can do what you want with it, even find a home for it far away from you.. You're allowed to do that if an owner is not controlling their animal. It's terrible your car was damaged, but that cat would have been gone the first time it damaged something of mine.

 

There's a right/wrong way to do anything, & drowning any animal is completely wrong.  

To clarify glaring misconceptions:

 

1) There are indeed situations where it is LEGAL to kill feral cats, or feral dogs for that matter. It is within those situations where my caticide activity has occurred, specifically on U.S. Government property where the presence and activity of both species was damaging to native wildlife.

 

2.  As to killing birds, those who do so with air rifles or by other means need to acquaint themselves with the wildlife laws, both state and federal, which regulate such matters.  Those who illegally kill migratory birds do not have any "right" to do so.

 

3. The "potential serial killer" nonsense is just that.  There are many professional wildlife control experts, both government personnel and licensed private persons, who regularly kill numerous destructive animals.  There is no case of any of these "mass murderers" of animals having morphed into "serial killers" of human beings. A deranged person who becomes a serial killer might have some personal history of killing animals for the thrill of it, but those who destroy exotic invasive species of destructive wildlife are not doing anything for the thrill of it.  They are professionals.  It is their job, and they take pride in doing it well.

 

Wildlife personnel in one  Louisiana parish have recently killed upwards of 20,000 nutria, shooting them by night with .22 rifles.  The nutria is an exotic rodent that damages levees with its digging activity and jeopardizes the structural integrity of the levees to such a degree that the levees could fail, with resultant loss of human life and property, unless the nutria population is kept under control.

 

4. In the city of Florence it is illegal to allow one's cat to roam at will.  The animal control authorities will loan a live trap to anyone who might have a problem with cats invading their property and will appropriately dispose of any cats caught in such traps. HIFLYER 2 might wish to consider trapping the vandalizing cat that his neighbors refuse to control

Originally Posted by Contendah:

To clarify glaring misconceptions:

 

1) There are indeed situations where it is LEGAL to kill feral cats, or feral dogs for that matter. It is within those situations where my caticide activity has occurred, specifically on U.S. Government property where the presence and activity of both species was damaging to native wildlife.

 

2.  As to killing birds, those who do so with air rifles or by other means need to acquaint themselves with the wildlife laws, both state and federal, which regulate such matters.  Those who   kill migratory birds do not have any "right" to do so.

 

3. The "potential serial killer" nonsense is just that.  There are many professional wildlife control experts, both government personnel and licensed private persons, who regularly kill numerous destructive animals.  There is no case of any of these "mass murderers" of animals having morphed into "serial killers" of human beings. A deranged person who becomes a serial killer might have some personal history of killing animals for the thrill of it, but those who destroy exotic invasive species of destructive wildlife are not doing anything for the thrill of it.  They are professionals.  It is their job, and they take pride in doing it well. 

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Glaring misconceptions???? How can it be a misconception when you admitted to putting an animal in a sack, weighted it with a rock or block, & throw it into a body of water to drown it?

I haven't seen anyone say anything against professional wildlife control experts who regularly kill destructive animals. Your comment about there not being a case of any of those "mass murderers" of animals having morphed into "serial killers" of human beings is stupid. I'm sure they use more humane ways to get it done rather than putting them in a weighted bag & drowning them. Do you not see the cruelty in that at all?

 

My comment about birds were meant for resident birds that do not migrate. You have the audacity to chastise me about birds when you use such a cruel way of killing cats? I'm sure if you were to check you would find your method of killing cats as illegal as killing birds.

 

BTW, look up animal abuse and the connection to serial killers. Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz and Jeffrey Dahmer had more in common than just being serial killers.  All three of them tortured and/or killed animals.

 I might have mentioned the weighted gunny sack method, but I never used it myself.  However, that method is no less humane than the gassing performed to destroy animals in animal shelters.
 
Are you confident that you really know which birds are resident and which are migratory.  There are many species of neo-tropical migratory birds in this area that most folks do not know are migratory.  Watch out.
 
Your reference to serial killers remains inane.  I have known several people who lived in the country and who used the gunny sack method of termination of unwanted kittens and puppies and who were as far from the "serial killer" type as anyone could be. Some serial killers indeed started with animals, but that does not mean that drowning kitty cats and puppy dogs will MAKE one a serial killer.
The same factors of perversity that impel someone to kill or torture animals for pleasure impel them to kill or torture humans for pleasure. When pleasure is not involved, there is no connection.  

Originally Posted by: contendah

I might have mentioned the weighted gunny sack method, but I never used it myself. However, that method is no less humane than the gassing performed to destroy animals in animal shelters.

Are you confident that you really know which birds are resident and which are migratory. There are many species of neo-tropical migratory birds in this area that most folks do not know are migratory. Watch out.

Your reference to serial killers remains inane. I have known several people who lived in the country and who used the gunny sack method of termination of unwanted kittens and puppies and who were as far from the "serial killer" type as anyone could be. Some serial killers indeed started with animals, but that does not mean that drowning kitty cats and puppy dogs will MAKE one a serial killer.

The same factors of perversity that impel someone to kill or torture animals for pleasure impel them to kill or torture humans for pleasure. When pleasure is not involved, there is no connection.

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You’ve never used the weighted gunny sack method?????

Out of 5 pages of that discussion in 2010, you never once mentioned you had never used it. People were coming against you harshly for your method of killing cats & you never mention that important little point? Some of the things you did say were:

[quote] “The best habitation for them is the bottom of a weighted-down gunny sack in the bottom of the lake.”

 

“Drowning is a pretty quick and relatively painless way to die. If it is indeed against the law here to drown cats, I would not do it, since there are legal means of caticide available.” [unquote]

 

You didn’t like it that so many were finding fault with your “gunny sack method of cat reduction” but failed to say you didn’t use it??? I find that very hard to believe.

 

Were gas chambers not to be dismantled by January 31, 2012? Why do you think there was such a call for it to be dismantled? Yep, cruelty to animals. To bad someone can’t put a stop to your method.

 

Am I confident that I know which birds are resident and which are migratory? Some yes, some no.

Watch out? For what? It’s my property, I can do what I want on it. You mentioned drowning cats in a lake. Was that lake on public property or private?

Do you know which of those cats you drowned was someone’s pet? Did you even care?

 

How do you know those people you know aren’t serial killers? Do we ever truly know someone? If you didn’t get pleasure out of drowning cats, why keep doing it? There’s other more humane ways to kill an animal. My guess is that you enjoy it. Your stand on it is almost to the point of bragging about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

I'm not a cat owner, don't even like cats. I just think it's horrible to put any animal in a sack, weight it down with something & drown it. Why is that not considered animal cruelty to you?

 

Cats can't be trained to stay in one area, or at least I've never seen it done. I don't know where you live but with the problem you're having with a cat, you can go to the animal shelter, get a cage, catch the cat & they will come pick it up. As long as it's on your property, you can do what you want with it, even find a home for it far away from you.. You're allowed to do that if an owner is not controlling their animal. It's terrible your car was damaged, but that cat would have been gone the first time it damaged something of mine.

 

There's a right/wrong way to do anything, & drowning any animal is completely wrong.  

No animal shelter in my area to take it too.  "Pickwick Lake" I usually trap and relocate problem animals  but not fair to drop the cat by someones house "to the cat or the homeowners".  Not sure what I am going to do no good way of dealing with this problem.  I never said drowning was the way, if it comes to killing it ill do it humanely as possible.  If you cannot train a cat to stay on your property then you should not own one unless you keep it indoors.

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