I notice you refered to the people targeted for the purge as "people of color". Aren't most illegals "people of color"? What is wrong with removing illegal immigrants from the Florida voting lists?

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Nothing, but  in 2000 in Florida,  a voter rolls purge was conducted by the then-Secretary of State, Katherine Harris, after which it was discovered that a large number of black voters had been improperly dis-enfranched.  Florida is known for electile dysfunction! The Justice Department is right to view the current purging as suspicious.  The current governor of Florida was a cheat when he was a big time health insurance executive and he might well have transposed his cheating ways into election management.

A donation given in 2010 to a voting group has now linked the Koch brothers to a purge of voters list?  Quite a stretch.

It seems the 'republicans' are refusing to go along with it.  Evil republicans.  It's supposed to be the democrats who want the dead and illegal voting.

Don't worry Romney will carry Florida by 10.

If a test for sanity is required, no one will be eligible, especially the politicians.

About 53,000 of those on the list of 180,000 are believed to be dead.  Of course, Democrats just consider them to be just life deprived.  Why won't the federal government give Florida their list of illegals residing in Florida. 

The rolls should be purged of those who are not elegible to vote. Just because someone thinks they are eligible does not make it so. For instance, commision of a felony and subsequent conviction will deny one eligibility in some states. Failure to properly register, or failure to file for Selective Service can cause one to lose their eligibility. In most places, one has to show a picture ID in order to vote, I know I do, and that is not a problem since a driver's license, or a county inssued picture ID is available to those who are properly registered.  This is an attempt by the Left to garner attention and draw focus from the real issues. Despite what they say, there is fraudulent voting going on. My guess is that in this election there may be some challenges to militant Black Panthers who try strongarm voters at the booth. It is not going to be the cakewalk that the Obama supporters think it will be.

they've had 4 years to "purge the voters"... why the mad rush to do it now?!?!

and after the justice department told florida.. "we don't support this"... their reply was basically "so".. and their own republicans say they can't go through with it...

it sure sounds 'underhanded' to the rest of us.

Perhaps it has been going on.  I know for a fact that before the last election many local boards had to go thru their rolls to check for registered voters.  Many were found that did not qualify and they were notified.  Their response was "Well I have been voting, and now you are just trying to take away my vote".  Despite, the fact that someone prior had not been doing their job, if these people are not qualified to vote, they should not be given the opporutnity to do so. As a society, we have established rules, that everyone has to abide by. In some cases, if you break those rules, or do not follow thru with your obligations, you lose the right to participate in the governance of that society. They should have followed the rules or abided by them. Illegals should not be voting, regardless if the Dems think they should or not. Until they become a citizen, they cannot vote.

This reminds me of a conversation I had recently with a fellow and we were discussing how some of these people get their distorted views. I am fully convinced that with some it is instituted by the way in which they were raised by their parents.  When you give a child everything they want, and never force them to abide by the rules, they become entitled and demanding. They remind me of the kids who cry when someone else gets a present at a birthday, or is playing with a toy, and the parents take it away and give it to the one who is making the most fuss. I fully believe those spoiled children have become today's Liberal, who feels so entitled and is so jealous of something that someone else has, that they are waiting for the big parent to come along and make it right for them.

well, i see it kinda like this... i'd rather make sure the people who are registered, who are citizens, who DID follow the rules, get to cast their vote...  i mean, didn't we have a system to stop these "illegal people" from registering to vote anyway? i have to show proof of who i am to cast a vote, i'm sure most people do... so, i would say a "dead voter" would have a hard time casting a vote... and as with the nature of any "system", i'm sure it'll be abused. by both sides.

I agree....if a person has a voter ID card they should be allowed to vote.  If they have a valid form of ID, they should be allowed to vote. If they have registered and followed the rules they should be allowed to vote. HOWEVER, if they are not a citizen, and refuse to show a valid form of ID, then they should either not be allowed to vote, or their vote should be held until their authenticity is verified before that vote is counted.  This is not about denying one the right to vote, it is about actually making sure they have that right.

You say it was discovered that a large number of black voters had been improperly dis-enfranchised. Have you got any proof of this? I have a hard time believing that a black in this day and age could be denied anything. If one black was denied a vote there would be tens of thousands of blacks protesting all over the country until that black got his vote. Give me a break.

The "mad rush" is because the democrats have probably just made their "mad rush" to register their dead constituants to the voter register list at the last moment so liberals such as yourself could proclaim "why the mad rush to do it now"

The patriotic dead,  life deprived minority, have returned for generations in Chi-Town and Crook (sic) county.  Tromping thru graveyards for names of the recent dead is part of the Democrat get out the vote stragtegy..  If no ID is required, how can they check?

Once more, why won't the federal government share their list on known illegals in Florida!

i LOVE how the republicans seem to think only a liberal/democrat would EVER do anything so underhanded as to "play a system"!

No.

At least, that is, half who have been arrested in Alabama for being "illegal" haven't been.

Anti-Immigration Law Snaring Auto Workers from Germany and Japan

http://www.lawfirmnewswire.com...m-germany-and-japan/

They can't. They aren't on the list. They have been purged, and they didn't find out until they reached the polls to vote. Nobody has contacted the suspected voter -- just dropped them from the the roll.

In April, Governor Scott began the purge by sending lists of over 2,600 suspected non-citizen voters to county election officials across the state. After reviewing the lists and Scott’s method of compiling non-citizen names, several officials (mostly Republican) have refused to comply with the state sanctioned voter purge, citing the lists as unreliable and suspect.

This is unlawful and reminiscent of the purges ordered by Jeb Bush in 2000—where thousands of mostly Black and Latino voters were disenfranchised prior to the presidential election.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2...florida-voter-purge/

Elections Officials Throughout Florida Refuse To Use Rick Scott’s Inaccurate Lists To Purge Voters

History, shows Democrats have a history!

Cartoons are cartoons. Do you have anything factual to back that up? 

Texas as an example: The state's Attorney General, Greg Abbott warned several years ago about an "epidemic" of voter fraud in Texas, then launched an investigation that turned up almost nothing. He found a total of 26 cases to prosecute (all against Democrats, and all but one against black or Latino voters). Out of those, two-thirds were technical violations in which voters were eligible and had properly voted. And in none of the cases would the voter ID requirement have affected the outcome. March 13, 2012

As the estimated number of illegal aliens in Texas is 1.6 million, the 600,000 residents without valid ID is probably under rated.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...s#Breakdown_by_state

Originally Posted by interventor1212:

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translation: the facts don't match my opinion... the facts must be wrong.

If there are so few people involved in voter fraud, why the opposition to voter ID? 

As Yoda stated no facts, just a cartoon, when confronted with actual facts, he adopts the crawdad defense -- claws up and jetting backwards.

foot note from your "source"...

Breakdown by state

As of 2006,^{[7][self-published source?]}

That is also my question Yoda?  If there is apparently little to no voter fraud, why is there such a reaction to requests for voter ID at the polls by the Dems?  I find it hard to believe that there is difficulty in obtaining a picture ID to be used at the polling site.  I also find it hard to believe that someone cannot produce a valid ID when they have to have one to cash a check, buy a car, or conduct most business that is done today in a legal sense. I have to show an ID whn I vote, and wonder if that is not the case at other polling sites.

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Here you go--proof is abundant on this issue!:

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights conducted an exhaustive investigation of election irregularities in the 2000 election in Florida.  Their findings leave no doubt but that many black voters were systematically disenfranchised:

<<<Pursuant to its authority, and fulfilling its obligations, members of the Commission staff conducted a preliminary investigation and discovered widespread allegations of voter disenfranchisement in Florida in the 2000 presidential election. The Commissioners voted unanimously to conduct an extensive public investigation into these allegations of voting irregularities. Toward that end, the Commission held three days of hearings in Miami and Tallahassee and, using its subpoena powers, collected more than 30 hours of testimony from more than 100 witnesses—all taken under oath—and reviewed more than 118,000 pages of pertinent documents.>>>

http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/exesum.htm

From the Commission's report:

Conclusion

The Commission found that the problems Florida had during the 2000 presidential election were serious and not isolated. In many cases, they were foreseeable and should have been prevented. The failure to do so resulted in an extraordinarily high and inexcusable level of disenfranchisement, with a significantly disproportionate impact on African American voters. The causes include the following: (1) a general failure of leadership from those with responsibility for ensuring elections are properly planned and executed; (2) inadequate resources for voter education, training of poll workers, and for Election Day trouble-shooting and problem solving; (3) inferior voting equipment and/or ballot design; (4) failure to anticipate and account for the expected high volumes of voters, including inexperienced voters; (5) a poorly designed and even more poorly executed purge system; and (6) a resource allocation system that often left poorer counties, which often were counties with the highest percentage of black voters, adversely affected.

More:

<<<Disenfranchised By Design?

The Florida Secretary of State’s Office hired a private firm known as Database Technologies, Inc. (now ChoicePoint Corporation) to identify convicted felons and remove them from Florida’s voting rolls. Prior to the election, 94,000 voters were removed (Kelly, 2002). This is legal if someone has been convicted of a felony, but as it turns out, 97 percent were innocent and should not have been removed. "The list was full of mistakes mainly because of the criteria [the database company] used. It compared its list of felons with the Florida voting rolls by looking for a rough match between the names and dates of birth. Thus a Christine Smith could have been disqualified if there had been a Christopher Smith of the same age with a felony record somewhere in the US. [the database company] also used race as a matching criterion, skewing the impact of the errors even more against black voters" (Borger & Palast, 2001). As The Nation magazine reported, "immediately after the November 7, 2000 election, minority voters who had never committed crimes complained of having had their names removed from voting rolls in a purge of ‘ex-felons,’ of being denied translation services required by law, … and of harassment by poll workers and law-enforcement officials." The list of voters denied the right to vote was overwhelmingly Democratic and half were minorities (Kelly, 2002). Al Gore neither protested the disenfranchisement nor supported these voters’ lawsuit to regain their vote.>>>

http://www.cagreens.org/alamed...y/0803myth/myth.html

The number of illegals in Texas was still about 1.6 million in 2009 according to the Department of Homeland Security and I read of no mass exodus.  

http://www.usnews.com/news/art...r-illegal-immigrants

as fact after fact comes out about this... it seems the republicans have used this "fear tactic" for some time... scaring you into believing in "mass voter fraud" only to have little to no proof.

same old tired tricks for the republicans... as per the evidence.

i'm not against providing some form of proof of ID at the voting booth.. .but, let's stop telling people who are registered they can't vote!

Yoda,

The same thing can be said of the Dems who are stirring a cold pot.  I don't think there is anyone out there who is totally innocent who is having their rights violated, yet the liberal media gets everyone up in arms that voter's rights are being taken away, when in reality the only thing they want is for EVERYONE to be able to vote, and they do not care if they are legitimate or not. This is the only way they will be able to push their liberal agenda. I bet their have been as many conservatives who have had their ability to vote denied as there have been liberals.

teyates... you and i mostly agree.. only most of the articles claim the "majority of disenfranchised voters" were democrats. i , personally, have had to show "proof of ID" since i first registered to vote... we kid about it every time.. the lady that checks my ID was my 7th grade science teacher... and is still a wonderful lady!

To turn the question around: If there are so few people involved in voter fraud, why is it necessary to add another layer of requirement to the right to vote that may, or may not be, easily complied with?As if, in my case, being on the voter rolls in the same county for 38 years isn't enough?

86-Year-Old Ohio Veteran Can’t Vote After Government-Issued ID Is Rejected At Poll

96-year-old Chattanooga resident denied voting ID

http://timesfreepress.com/news...ed-bureaucrat-tells/

Lincoln Davis, Former Congressman, Denied Right To Vote

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-vote_n_1326885.html

Here are just nine examples of the kinds of people being denied voting rights by Voter ID laws:

• Ricky Tyrone Lewis is a 58 year-old Marine Corps veteran. Despite the fact that he was able to offer Wisconsin voting officials proof of his honorable discharge from the Marines, Milwaukee County has been unable to find the record of his birth that he needs in order to obtain a voter ID card.
• Ruthelle Frank is an 84 year-old former elected official who voted in every election for the last 63 years, yet she will be unable to obtain a voter ID unless she pays a fee to obtain a birth certificate from the Wisconsin government — despite the fact that the Constitution explicitly forbids any voter from being charged a fee in order to vote. Worse, because the attending physician at her birth misspelled her name on her original birth certificate, she may need to pay hundreds of dollars in court fees to petition the state judiciary to correct her certificate before she can obtain a voter ID.
• Paul Carroll is an 86-year-old World War II veteran who has lived in the same Ohio town for four decades. Yet, when he attempted to vote in the recent Ohio primary, he was told his photo ID from the Department of Veterans Affairs was not good enough because it did not include his address.
• Dorothy Cooper is a 96-year-old African-American woman who says she has voted in every election but one since she became eligible to vote. Yet, when she attempted to obtain a voter ID, she was turned away because she did not have a copy of her marriage license. In a subsequent interview, Cooper said that she didn’t even have problems voting in Tennessee “during Jim Crow days” — only now under Voter ID.
• Thelma Mitchell is a 93-year-old woman who cleaned the Tennessee Capitol for 30 years. She never received a birth certificate, however, because she was delivered by a midwife in Alabama in 1918 and there was no record of her birth. When she attempted to obtain a voter ID, she was turned away for lack of a birth certificate by a clerk who suggested she could be an illegal immigrant.
• Virginia Lasater is a 91-year-old woman who has been active in political campaigns for 70 years. Because of her advanced age, however, she is no longer able to stand for extended periods of time. When she attempted to obtain a voter ID, she was confronted with lines that stretched for several hours and no place to sit while she waited — forcing her to abandon her effort to obtain an ID due to her physical constraints.
• Darwin Spinks is an 86 year-old World War II veteran. He was told to pay a fee before he could obtain a voter ID in Tennessee, despite the fact that charging someone to vote is unconstitutional.
• Rita Platt is a Wisconsin resident who was turned away from her attempt to obtain a voter ID because she required either a birth certificate or a passport to obtain one — both of which can only be obtained if the voter pays a fee. Worse, in Wisconsin, voters must fill out a misleading form which suggests that they cannot obtain the birth certificate they need to obtain a photo ID unless they already have a photo ID.
• Jessica Cohen is a Texas resident who lost her license and other identification papers in a burglary. She now must also pay an unconstitutional fee in order to obtain the birth certificate she needs to obtain a new voter ID. Because Cohen lives in Texas, she will likely be able to vote in 2012 because the Department of Justice blocked Texas’ law under the Voting Rights Act — although there is a high risk that the Supreme Court’s conservatives will declare the Voting Rights Act unconstitutional.
• http://thinkprogress.org/justi...ts-by-voter-id-laws/

Well probably for the same reason if I have a check written to me, why should I have to show an ID to get it cashed?  What a moron. This is not adding another layer of beauracracy, it is assuring that the person who is exercising the right to vote is the appropriate one. Suppose you, Elmer Fudrucker, showed up to vote, and the book showed that you had already cast your vote. You asked how can that be? and the poll worker says that some clown showed up and told them they wanted to vote, and they were sure it was you.

Get real.

Everyone has access to a birth certificate from the county, as well as a government issued ID. At the most, a copy of your borth certificate will cost a few dollars, and should be kept in your personal papers since it is required for almost every task one has to accomplish in a legal manner. These people complaining about their cost are just looking for something to b-i-t-ch about. I am sure they can take two dollars out of their government issued check and buy a borth certificate.

All they're saying is; if you get rid of the ones voting illegally you are getting rid of a large portion of democratic voters. Teyates, I've seen an example of someone showing up to vote and being told he had voted already. I have no idea how that turned out in the end, I only know he was not a happy camper and said he hoped at least whoever got his vote used it the way he would have. It's not rocket science, get a valid ID. They can come up with it for all other things.

guys, i'm not buying the "illegals make up a large majority of democratic voters"... the democrats have been winning elections for a LONG time.. way before "illegals" became an issue.

As usual, with Propie, you must check the source material as he is the Proper Propagandist:

Thinkprogress.org is a left wing progressive organization, would would have guessed?

From the Florida voter registration website, here is what may be presented for proof:

"If you register by mail and you are a first-time voter in the Florida, you be asked to provide either a Florida driver's license number, a Florida I.D. number, or a Social Security number.  If you do not have any of this information, you are required to provide additional identification. To assure that you will not have problems when you go to vote, you should provide a copy of the required identification at the time you mail your voter registration form. If you are voting an absentee ballot, you must provide the proper identification prior to 7 p.m. Election Day or your absentee ballot will not count.

The following forms of identification are acceptable if they contain your name and photograph:

• United States passport
• Debit of credit card
• Military identification
• Student identification
• Retirement center identification
• Neighborhood association identification
• Public assistance Identification

Instead of providing a photo ID, you may provide a copy of a current and valid utility bill, bank statement, government paycheck, or other government document containing your name and current residence address."

Got that -- utility bill, bank statement, government paycheck or other government document with name and current address.  Now, I'm not saying Propie is prevaricatin, merely that his source, or he didn't present all the facts. By design, or neglect, I don't know.