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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Bring formula and use it. It won't upset the child. Most every breastfed baby has to be supplemented by formula anyway. I breastfed, I had no interest in putting on a show while i did it. I don't see ******* as only toys for men or sexual objects. Someone has some odd thinking going on there. How is whipping out your breast to "feed" your child one bit different than a man pulling out his ***** to go to the bathroom? Both are "natural' body functions so why is one different than the other? I think that asking that a woman do it discreetly is the entire point, not opposing breastfeeding. I don't want to see your ****. I don't want to see your butt crack. I don't want to see any "private" part of your body naked. Maybe you think it's the grandest thing since white bread to show the world you're an "earth momma" feeding your baby nature's way, but I don't want to see it, I don't want my kids or other kids to see it, and plenty of us have done it without feeling like we had to put on an exhibition.

Why are you obsessed with exhibitionism? Could it be because you are too hideous to engage in it? Jealousy, perhaps?

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Do you even READ your ignorant posts? I mean seriously, isn't there someone around you, besides everyone on this forum, your mommy maybe, that can tell you what an incredible dumb*** you are? 

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Jimi is a fool and a dumb ass. Definitely not worth the time it takes to respond to him.

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There you go!  Without a doubt!

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

IF jimma ever made a "good point" I sure missed it. The only point he has is on the top of his head. Actually the topic was the guy being "offended", more like repulsed really, because the woman was breastfeeding in public. That doesn't make him or anyone else that doesn't want to see it, a pervert or anything else "bad". 

Well, I've seen him make some interesting points personally, but for me personally when they end with insults I think that is what is remembered just as it goes for any poster. 

 

No, I don't think it makes someone a pervert to have that opinion, although it is sadly a reflection of how our society in the US treats the female body.  I see things I don't care for many days, but tweeting they are disgusting isn't helpful, and breastfeeding just isn't something that is disgusting and neither are ******* being used to feed babies as they are meant to be used.  But of course he is entitled to his opinion and the consequences of expressing it in a rude way.  It's one thing to say he is uncomfortable, but saying it, the mother, breast feeding, or breast feeding in public is disgusting isn't necessary and will bring consequences.  

 

It really can be a huge deal for babies to be breastfed and making moms stay home just isn't an option, and if it bothered him to see a mother feeding her baby he is free to move on since she isn't doing anything wrong.  Hopefully he will learn something about why the woman was doing it, but that is up to him of course.

Best I’m gonna have to say an avatar says a lot about a person. Yours and semi’s certainly do not appear that either one of you are nuns but rather the opposite. The avatars themselves argue that keeping the twins tucked in is not exactly what either one of you are consumed with as a priority. Jimmiah may be right you two are likely closet exhibitionists.

 But of course he is entitled to his opinion and the consequences of expressing it in a rude way


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Actually he had almost total agreement from people in the remarks I read. He wasn't rude, he was honest about how he felt. He didn't approach the woman or name her, so there was no need for an apology. The only reason I can see why he would "apologize" is because a few people turned his comments into something they weren't. I guess some people think he doesn't have the right to be offended or "disgusted".

Calling a mother breast feeding her child disgusting is rude and shows more about the person seeing it than the mother feeding her hungry baby.  He could say he was uncomfortable or something that didn't call anyone or the process disgusting.  It isn't the majority by any means who said what they said, but a few compared to all the women who do it every day and the people in their lives who support them, and also the rest of the public who don't care or are happy to see it.  The comments aside (it's pretty obvious reading comments here in these forums that people say some pretty nasty things or things they wouldn't ever say in real life in comments), sure he has a right to be disgusted by the sight of a mother doing something awesome for her child and her own health.  

 

If he makes the "disgust" part public then he gets the consequences.  Perhaps he thought about his comment or educated himself a bit and realized being "disgusted" is over the top for seeing a baby being fed.  Maybe he got so many comments that weren't people agreeing that he saw it wasn't a smart thing to say.  

 

I can be honest and tell a person her back end looks disgusting (or whatever) or I can say that I think another dress accents her figure better, or something else that isn't calling her or her body names.  One is a knee-jerk unnecessary rude comment that might cause our friendship to be over and the other is still honest but not rude.  That doesn't even touch the medical and psychological benefits of breast feeding, the need to in public sometimes, or the law that says she can do it, but that aside, his comment wasn't very nice and he apologized.  That is his right as well.

"There is no reason to breastfeed in public. Anyone doing that is only after the attention. "

 

There is no reason?!?  It couldn't be because of a hungry baby who's on a schedule, could it?!?  On the other hand, there are cover-ups that do a very good job of concealing "the girls" while breastfeeding.  Regardless, there are far greater problems plaguing our society.  Fight for something that matters, people.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 But of course he is entitled to his opinion and the consequences of expressing it in a rude way


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Actually he had almost total agreement from people in the remarks I read. He wasn't rude, he was honest about how he felt. He didn't approach the woman or name her, so there was no need for an apology. The only reason I can see why he would "apologize" is because a few people turned his comments into something they weren't. I guess some people think he doesn't have the right to be offended or "disgusted".

Consequences? What would those be?

I breastfed my baby.  I did it in public.  I attempted using a cover but she HATED it & wouldn't eat if I used it.  I agree with a previous poster who stated that you wouldn't eat your dinner in a public bathroom so the baby shouldn't either.  When you have a screaming hungry baby on your hands you do what you have to do to feed them.  I wasn't trying to put on a show for anyone, I wasn't trying to "prove a point" by BF'ing in public.  I was taking care of my child.  It's not full on nudity - the baby's head covers most of it & you see less of the breast than you see on many outfits!

Supplementing with formula while BF'ing will decrease a woman's supply. Replacing one feeding with a bottle tells the body that the current supply is not needed & it WILL decrease.  Babies do NOT always need to be supplemented with formula...only in the cases where the mother's supply is tainted (medications, etc.) or when supply cannot meet the demands of the child.

I'm also not quite sure why someone was offended that their child saw a mother feeding their child.  I have no words for that other than bless that child's poor, sheltered heart.

Originally Posted by Firedancer:

I breastfed my baby.  I did it in public.  I attempted using a cover but she HATED it & wouldn't eat if I used it.  I agree with a previous poster who stated that you wouldn't eat your dinner in a public bathroom so the baby shouldn't either.  When you have a screaming hungry baby on your hands you do what you have to do to feed them.  I wasn't trying to put on a show for anyone, I wasn't trying to "prove a point" by BF'ing in public.  I was taking care of my child.  It's not full on nudity - the baby's head covers most of it & you see less of the breast than you see on many outfits!

Supplementing with formula while BF'ing will decrease a woman's supply. Replacing one feeding with a bottle tells the body that the current supply is not needed & it WILL decrease.  Babies do NOT always need to be supplemented with formula...only in the cases where the mother's supply is tainted (medications, etc.) or when supply cannot meet the demands of the child.

I'm also not quite sure why someone was offended that their child saw a mother feeding their child.  I have no words for that other than bless that child's poor, sheltered heart.

They are not really offended. They just love to tell others how to live their lives because they have none.

What if you have to use the toilet? Do you do it in the floor to avoid those nasty bathrooms or do you take the baby in with you and use the toilet? Or do you leave for a cleaner place? What about changing the baby's diaper? If it has to have a change do you let it sit in the dirty diaper, go into the bathroom to do it, or take it to the car? How about feeding the baby before you go in? If a child is hungry to the point that it just has to be fed inside the store, surely it will eat before going in. Jimma, when you get a life maybe you can comment on other peoples lives.

Originally Posted by Firedancer:

I breastfed my baby.  I did it in public.  I attempted using a cover but she HATED it & wouldn't eat if I used it.  I agree with a previous poster who stated that you wouldn't eat your dinner in a public bathroom so the baby shouldn't either.  When you have a screaming hungry baby on your hands you do what you have to do to feed them.  I wasn't trying to put on a show for anyone, I wasn't trying to "prove a point" by BF'ing in public.  I was taking care of my child.  It's not full on nudity - the baby's head covers most of it & you see less of the breast than you see on many outfits!

Supplementing with formula while BF'ing will decrease a woman's supply. Replacing one feeding with a bottle tells the body that the current supply is not needed & it WILL decrease.  Babies do NOT always need to be supplemented with formula...only in the cases where the mother's supply is tainted (medications, etc.) or when supply cannot meet the demands of the child.

I'm also not quite sure why someone was offended that their child saw a mother feeding their child.  I have no words for that other than bless that child's poor, sheltered heart.

Well said.  Just for the record for anyone who just doesn't get this.  When a woman breast feeds I assure you she is NOT trying to show her b r e a s t s to anyone at all, and this isn't even about b r e a s t s.  This about hungry children being fed the most nutritious food available and has nothing to do with anyone's opinions about why women have those parts.  Firedancer hit it on the supply issue, and the question is why on earth would a woman feed a baby formula that might well make him/her up with a sick tummy all night just to make some stranger who isn't getting even what's going on happy?  That is why I said if anyone really thinks this is about getting attention or exhibition go do some research on the topic on any of many sites....go read up instead of listening to what someone said or focusing on seeing some part of a b r e a s t that you see all over the mall anyway.

 

My kids see people breastfeeding and know why, are happy to see it and see it as the natural and healthy process it is.  As even my kids say...that's why b r e a s t s are on mamas.  You take the cultural biases away and misinformation is corrected and they aren't just s e x toys.  They are on us to feed our young and attract a mate (if a woman has them the potential mate sees her as fertile and able to feed their young so his genes survive), and there is plenty of information available to learn facts if anyone is interested.

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

What if you have to use the toilet? Do you do it in the floor to avoid those nasty bathrooms or do you take the baby in with you and use the toilet? Or do you leave for a cleaner place? What about changing the baby's diaper? If it has to have a change do you let it sit in the dirty diaper, go into the bathroom to do it, or take it to the car? How about feeding the baby before you go in? If a child is hungry to the point that it just has to be fed inside the store, surely it will eat before going in. Jimma, when you get a life maybe you can comment on other peoples lives.

Umm...when did this become about a mother needing to use the bathroom?  This is about feeding her baby.  The only place to use the restroom is in the restroom of course, and no, I didn't like taking my babies there.  I am an adult, however, so I generally can choose where I use the bathroom and it doesn't involve food.  I usually had my spouse with me and he watched them while I went, but this isn't about using the bathroom for what it is intended for and you know that.

 

Changing diapers is also appropriate in a bathroom since most have changing tables and we are talking about p o o p and p e e here.  Yes, the germs are awful there, but the person has the option to put something down under baby.  Again, you know this isn't the same as eating there or you would go eat your meals in a toilet.  

 

The ideal situation for breastfeeding is to feed on demand, and if the child is hungry why on earth would mom stop shopping or eating, set all her purchases down, go all the way out into heat or cold, unlock the car, sit in a cramped position in that cold or heat just so you might not have to glance and walk on?  That doesn't even make sense at all. The  "it" is a person who gets hungry when s/he is hungry and doesn't understand why some people are hung up about the feeding process, and no, if mom is inside for 3 hours or even 30 minutes sometimes baby just plain needs to eat.  That is how breastfeeding works...it really is.

The ideal situation for breastfeeding is to feed on demand, and if the child is hungry why on earth would mom stop shopping or eating, set all her purchases down, go all the way out into heat or cold, unlock the car, sit in a cramped position in that cold or heat just so you might not have to glance and walk on

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Yes, much better to stand up in the middle of a store than sit down in a car that has suddenly for some reason become cramped and uncomfortable. OK, this has gotten silly enough. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I think people have all the information they need. Breastfeeding isn't rocket science, I did it with both my children. I supplemented with formula because my doctor said there was nothing in the world wrong with that, and it helped IF I couldn't be there for a feeding. Not every woman can "pump" enough. 

Your statement that people have all the information they need is exactly what the problem is.  Your doctor was partly right, but only partly.  S/he may not have known that supplementing is fine IF supply is established, formula isn't offered often or replaces natural milk, and IF the mother wants to do it and is okay with risking lessening supply.  Many, many peds and obs simply aren't trained to pass on accurate info about the topic and this lack of information is a big reason people think that exclusive nursing can't be done.  It actually does make a big difference when or if formula is offered, and of course if a woman wants to use it that is her right, but unfortunately many doctors and nurses just don't have facts and they sabotage the whole thing by saying it is no big deal.  

 

Doctors say a lot of things, but that doesn't mean they are all right.  Most just aren't trained in this, and if you want accurate info on the subject the pediatrician isn't always the place to get it.  I am not saying anything that isn't established or bashing peds, but it is a fact that they often just don't know and give some really horrible advice on this topic. Family members often just repeat what they are told, which is often inaccurate hearsay, and pushing formula at moms and telling them it doesn't matter just isn't helpful or true at all.  No one need believe me personally, but you are so wrong on this if you think that people have all the information they need.  I understand why you believe that, but you have shown today you don't have the information and that is the problem.  People think they do, but they don't and they either judge those who do or they sabotage women who are trying to give their babies a huge gift.  

 

You are right...many women can't pump well or enough or don't have a pump or don't choose to pump.  It is up to them and not up to anyone to say she should, and formula just isn't the answer unless the mother chooses to use it for other reasons...not because someone might not understand what she is doing. I don't have a right to tell you not to give your baby formula in the mall and you don't have the right to tell me I can't use the milk nature provided me with in the manner that nature provided the perfect way to give my baby.  It's another time for respect.  The basic right of a mother to feed her child from the b r e a s t s that nature provided her with if she chooses to makes sense on so many levels...I could list the reasons for pages here but it is right there to be read.  LLL, many good websites, journal articles, well-done studies...so much is there, but since people feel they already know they don't go find out facts.  

 

If you don't want to see it cool...just do your own thing and baby isn't screaming, mom isn't in pain, and life goes on.  It happens all the time and isn't a big deal unless someone makes it one by tweeting about how disgusting it is.

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

The ideal situation for breastfeeding is to feed on demand, and if the child is hungry why on earth would mom stop shopping or eating, set all her purchases down, go all the way out into heat or cold, unlock the car, sit in a cramped position in that cold or heat just so you might not have to glance and walk on

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Yes, much better to stand up in the middle of a store than sit down in a car that has suddenly for some reason become cramped and uncomfortable. OK, this has gotten silly enough. 

What are you complaining about? It was you that made it silly.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

The ideal situation for breastfeeding is to feed on demand, and if the child is hungry why on earth would mom stop shopping or eating, set all her purchases down, go all the way out into heat or cold, unlock the car, sit in a cramped position in that cold or heat just so you might not have to glance and walk on

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Yes, much better to stand up in the middle of a store than sit down in a car that has suddenly for some reason become cramped and uncomfortable. OK, this has gotten silly enough. 

I agree it is a bit silly.  Since no one said you had to do it and it seems to me mom could figure out what works best for her...other kids with her?  She has a sling which works comfortably?  it is snowing or her back hurts to walk all the way to that car where someone might eeeeek...walk by!!! or she is feeding her other hungry kids in a restaurant or whatever her business may be...if she is okay with walking and nursing that is her legal right and your right not to think it is okay.  

 

Or maybe she could just mind her family and everyone else mind theirs?  I might be more inclined to ask the mom who looks as if she needs a hand if she needed help rather than worry about how much of her breast is showing while she nurses, but that's just me.  I think personally that these low cut outfits that hang out most of the b r e a s t s or show the crack in back or whatever are nasty, but I don't tweet they are disgusting even though they aren't for any other reason than showing it.  If I did I'm sure I would get lots of defense of the practice...so why bash someone trying to feed her baby?  We are all on the same side...take the best care of our kids we can, right?

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by Firedancer:

I breastfed my baby.  I did it in public.  I attempted using a cover but she HATED it & wouldn't eat if I used it.  I agree with a previous poster who stated that you wouldn't eat your dinner in a public bathroom so the baby shouldn't either.  When you have a screaming hungry baby on your hands you do what you have to do to feed them.  I wasn't trying to put on a show for anyone, I wasn't trying to "prove a point" by BF'ing in public.  I was taking care of my child.  It's not full on nudity - the baby's head covers most of it & you see less of the breast than you see on many outfits!

Supplementing with formula while BF'ing will decrease a woman's supply. Replacing one feeding with a bottle tells the body that the current supply is not needed & it WILL decrease.  Babies do NOT always need to be supplemented with formula...only in the cases where the mother's supply is tainted (medications, etc.) or when supply cannot meet the demands of the child.

I'm also not quite sure why someone was offended that their child saw a mother feeding their child.  I have no words for that other than bless that child's poor, sheltered heart.

They are not really offended. They just love to tell others how to live their lives because they have none.

 

 

 

jimi mom still breastfeeds him.

Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by Firedancer:

I breastfed my baby.  I did it in public.  I attempted using a cover but she HATED it & wouldn't eat if I used it.  I agree with a previous poster who stated that you wouldn't eat your dinner in a public bathroom so the baby shouldn't either.  When you have a screaming hungry baby on your hands you do what you have to do to feed them.  I wasn't trying to put on a show for anyone, I wasn't trying to "prove a point" by BF'ing in public.  I was taking care of my child.  It's not full on nudity - the baby's head covers most of it & you see less of the breast than you see on many outfits!

Supplementing with formula while BF'ing will decrease a woman's supply. Replacing one feeding with a bottle tells the body that the current supply is not needed & it WILL decrease.  Babies do NOT always need to be supplemented with formula...only in the cases where the mother's supply is tainted (medications, etc.) or when supply cannot meet the demands of the child.

I'm also not quite sure why someone was offended that their child saw a mother feeding their child.  I have no words for that other than bless that child's poor, sheltered heart.

They are not really offended. They just love to tell others how to live their lives because they have none.

 

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jimi mom still breastfeeds him.

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I bet jimma mom also has baby breast sitters

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by Firedancer:

I breastfed my baby.  I did it in public.  I attempted using a cover but she HATED it & wouldn't eat if I used it.  I agree with a previous poster who stated that you wouldn't eat your dinner in a public bathroom so the baby shouldn't either.  When you have a screaming hungry baby on your hands you do what you have to do to feed them.  I wasn't trying to put on a show for anyone, I wasn't trying to "prove a point" by BF'ing in public.  I was taking care of my child.  It's not full on nudity - the baby's head covers most of it & you see less of the breast than you see on many outfits!

Supplementing with formula while BF'ing will decrease a woman's supply. Replacing one feeding with a bottle tells the body that the current supply is not needed & it WILL decrease.  Babies do NOT always need to be supplemented with formula...only in the cases where the mother's supply is tainted (medications, etc.) or when supply cannot meet the demands of the child.

I'm also not quite sure why someone was offended that their child saw a mother feeding their child.  I have no words for that other than bless that child's poor, sheltered heart.

They are not really offended. They just love to tell others how to live their lives because they have none.

 

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jimi mom still breastfeeds him.

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I bet jimma mom also has baby breast sitters

Isn't it nice when the real children comment?

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

So juan, you're saying that all the years past when women breastfed in private it was the terrorists keeping them "in check"? I guess I had no idea that breastfeeding in public was rampant and now under attack. Couldn't be that some women are just modest and figure that is best done in private.

You folks dont get out of the state much do ya? If youre that offended then you probably dont want to comr to Fl, there flopping out everywhere here and I havent heard of anyone being offended.

Originally Posted by frog:

Another thread ends up with name-calling and way off the original topic.  I remember why I don't post here

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Frog, I enjoy your comments & glad to see you back. You do, however, have to ignore some things/people. Name calling & getting off topic happens. I enjoy the majority of people on this forum & have learned alot. I enjoy the different opinions here, even if we disagree.

I wish you would stick around but you have to do what you think is best for you.

Originally Posted by lexum:

Best I’m gonna have to say an avatar says a lot about a person. Yours and semi’s certainly do not appear that either one of you are nuns but rather the opposite. The avatars themselves argue that keeping the twins tucked in is not exactly what either one of you are consumed with as a priority. Jimmiah may be right you two are likely closet exhibitionists.

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When have we ever implied we were Nuns? Where do these ideas of yours come from? I do sometimes wear low neck clothes, & that's my business. My husband enjoys the way I dress so I dress to impress him.

No, I don't keep the twins tucked in, but you don't see nipples either!

What's wrong with a man appreciating a woman's body or a woman appreciating a man's body? You seem to have major issues with women. I hope you're aren't married. If you are, I pity the little woman.

i never said i had a problem with it . if i did i certainly wouldn't enjoy my yacht at the marina. on occasion some twins are not exactly "tucked in"

 

       for your info nosey i've been married 44 years to the same woman. she does threaten to slay me quite regularly. even though she is belted in karate as myself i think i could take her in a fair fight

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Originally Posted by dbaskins1:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

So juan, you're saying that all the years past when women breastfed in private it was the terrorists keeping them "in check"? I guess I had no idea that breastfeeding in public was rampant and now under attack. Couldn't be that some women are just modest and figure that is best done in private.

You folks dont get out of the state much do ya? If youre that offended then you probably dont want to comr to Fl, there flopping out everywhere here and I havent heard of anyone being offended.

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I don't think he used the word offended. I don't think I've used the word. I'm very very sure there are people that are offended and it's normal if they are. Just because they're "flopping out" everywhere doesn't mean everyone wants to see them. There are some things that are private and should be kept that way. There is NO reason to stand in the middle of any business and breastfeed. None. 

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