Anone going to hear Laura Bush speak?
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Not me, but I believe she deserves the Metal of Honor.
quote:Originally posted by seeweed:
Not me, but I believe she deserves the Metal of Honor.
Can't seem to find that one on the periodic table...
I'd rather have a root canal. 
I think that since she came out and advocated for same sex marriage and abortion, HCU should have pulled her invitation. It is baffling to me that a "Christian School" is going to pay her to speak even though she believes in these 2 topics. Apparently Dennis Jones and crew are turning a blind eye to her beliefs.
quote:Originally posted by rog dawg:
I think that since she came out and advocated for same sex marriage and abortion, HCU should have pulled her invitation. It is baffling to me that a "Christian School" is going to pay her to speak even though she believes in these 2 topics. Apparently Dennis Jones and crew are turning a blind eye to her beliefs.
I do not keep up with Bushes , but I suspect what she did was not to advocate FOR gay marriage and abortion, but believe that the government has no right to stick their noses in those private affairs.
Big difference!
Here is her exact quote she gave on Larry King Live: "I think that we ought to definitely look at it and debate it. I think there are a lot of people who have trouble coming to terms with that because they see marriage as traditionally between a man and a woman, but I also know that when couples are committed to each other and love each other that they ought to have the same sort of rights that everyone has."
That sounds like she is advocating for gay marriage. She went on to say regarding abortion: "And I think it's important that it remain legal, because I think its important for people for medical reasons and other reasons."
Sounds like this is her belief and has nothing to do with government intervention.
That sounds like she is advocating for gay marriage. She went on to say regarding abortion: "And I think it's important that it remain legal, because I think its important for people for medical reasons and other reasons."
Sounds like this is her belief and has nothing to do with government intervention.
In her book, she talks quite openingly about these topics so why would anyone be surprised?
Could it be the word Christian is not always defined the same way?
Could it be the word Christian is not always defined the same way?
Yes, Dennis Jones is running that show. HCU is not the institution it was originally established to be and it really is quite sad. But,this is what happens when trust and belief are put in a man/men and not the the Bible.
quote:Originally posted by OkieDokie:
In her book, she talks quite openingly about these topics so why would anyone be surprised?
Could it be the word Christian is not always defined the same way?
Last time I checked, "Christian" was defined as someone who believed in the Bible and the last time I checked, marriage was between a man and a woman. Adam and Eve were married, not Adam and Steve.
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Rog have you read Laura Bush's book?
quote:Originally posted by yellowdogdemocrat:
Yes, Dennis Jones is running that show. HCU is not the institution it was originally established to be and it really is quite sad. But,this is what happens when trust and belief are put in a man/men and not the the Bible.
Could not agree more with you. That's what happens when you put a used car salesman in charge of a school. And if you have heard him speak you will know what I mean.
quote:Originally posted by OkieDokie:quote:
Rog have you read Laura Bush's book?
Nope.
Hooray for Laura Bush!
quote:Originally posted by David L.:
Hooray for Laura Bush!
Yes, thank you Laura. Thank you for standing up for the homosexuals and murders. We need more of you out there. Would not be surprised if she is nominated for Supreme Court Justice next.
Perhaps it would be more "Christian" of you to accept other people's differences instead of taking a bigoted stance.. I applaud Laura Bush for her comments and stand behind her 100%.
Hey let's bring the women to Florence who's husband almost singlehandedly put us in the biggest national debt ever and cost thousands of our military their lives........Guess what I Won't Be THERE. Not even if they had free pancakes!!!!!!!!
Single handedly, you are one misinformed liberal America hating obama supporter. I ain't sayin' W. did anything great for this country. But he had help, and one of 'em currently occupies the white house.
Oh I forgot Cheney's Halliburton played a big part too. You are correct he wasn't the only one. And to not be completely one sided i don't think going on the View and playing basketball with Lebron James is going to save this country either. So there you go
PS if you remember, a rich almost retired politian out of Kentucky recently tried to keep millions of jobless, homeless, starving Americans from getting anymore unemployment. You want another?
Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said, “The only reason the unemployment extension hasn’t passed is because Democrats simply refuse to pass a bill that doesn’t add to the debt.”
He seems to have forgotten that the Republicans supported unemployment extensions every time former president Bush requested them.
It’s not clear if the Democrats feel that it will be more beneficial politically to have the bill passed or to have the Republicans continue to block it so that they can flog the GOP with political rhetoric.
What is clear is that if the unemployment benefits extension is not passed this week another 200,000 Americans will be wondering how they are going to pay their rent and feed their family.
He seems to have forgotten that the Republicans supported unemployment extensions every time former president Bush requested them.
It’s not clear if the Democrats feel that it will be more beneficial politically to have the bill passed or to have the Republicans continue to block it so that they can flog the GOP with political rhetoric.
What is clear is that if the unemployment benefits extension is not passed this week another 200,000 Americans will be wondering how they are going to pay their rent and feed their family.
Going back to the OP,
Laura speaks her mind and she and GW are not the same person.
Good for her.
Laura speaks her mind and she and GW are not the same person.
Good for her.
You are correct she should not suffer for her husbands actions. fair enough
quote:Originally posted by Doogie:
Hey let's bring the women to Florence who's husband almost singlehandedly put us in the biggest national debt ever and cost thousands of our military their lives........Guess what I Won't Be THERE. Not even if they had free pancakes!!!!!!!!
Bush's largest deficit was about $200 billion. Obama will match that and add a factor of six, annually. The present recession was generated almost solely by government policy -- policy set mainly by the Democrats.
To help the unemployed when all the companies asked for bailouts
Continue the unemployment as long as necessary/reasonable. Just cut something else to pay for it...don't add to the bill.
U DEMOCRATS JUST DON'T GET IT DO U. OBAMA PROMISE CHANGE WHAT CHANGE? BUSH WAS THE BEST PRESIDENT WE EVER HAD!
Yes, she should not suffer because of "Dubya's" actions, she has certainly been thru enough,hehehe. I think Mrs. Bush would have probably made a better president than her husband, just as Mrs. Obama would probably be a better president than Mr. Obama. Mrs. Bush is very intelligent and has a lot of class. Didn't think yellowdog could be cordial about a Republican, did you?
Mrs. Obama would be a better choice, she is much smarter than hubby.
quote:Originally posted by rog dawg:
...That's what happens when you put a used car salesman in charge of a school. And if you have heard him speak you will know what I mean.
While I agree that Heritage is heading down a very bad path by passing up the chance to prove that they practice what they preach, that comment about the president of the school is a cheap shot. I think he is a fine man in a tough spot, but I also think he's making the wrong decision by keeping her on the schedule and I think he's making a major mistake by declaring her "morally sound" when she differs with the school on two huge, key moral issues. I understand the pressures he must be facing, especially for a private school in this economy, but then that's life here on earth, where sometimes your morals need to be put ahead of the budget.
I am curious how many of the supporters of the school would stand by him if he cancelled her and then they had a major financial shortfall that jeopardized the school's future. Of course, if we never step out on faith and do what's right b/c it's right then we never give God a chance to back up his word.
Interesting dilemma, no doubt.
While I agree that Heritage is heading down a very bad path by passing up the chance to prove that they practice what they preach, that comment about the president of the school is a cheap shot. [/QUOTE]
The reason I said what I did is if you have ever heard him "preach" you will know what I mean. I have heard Dennis preach several times and all of his commentary is about how HCU is broke and we need more money. Not once have I ever heard him preach the Gospel from the pulpit. Begging for money is fine, that is what he is suppose to do. I just don't agree with the way he goes about it. Do it outside of a worship setting.
The reason I said what I did is if you have ever heard him "preach" you will know what I mean. I have heard Dennis preach several times and all of his commentary is about how HCU is broke and we need more money. Not once have I ever heard him preach the Gospel from the pulpit. Begging for money is fine, that is what he is suppose to do. I just don't agree with the way he goes about it. Do it outside of a worship setting.
quote:Originally posted by rog dawg:
The reason I said what I did is if you have ever heard him "preach" you will know what I mean. I have heard Dennis preach several times and all of his commentary is about how HCU is broke and we need more money. Not once have I ever heard him preach the Gospel from the pulpit. Begging for money is fine, that is what he is suppose to do. I just don't agree with the way he goes about it. Do it outside of a worship setting.
Dawg,
I've heard him speak and know him personally too. Yeah, I've heard lessons that were about the school, but I've also been at a church where he was brought in to teach a series of lessons on another subject. I may be mistaken but I think part of his job is to set up speaking engagements (like Sunday night services) at churches all over the place so he can pitch HCU's cause and try to raise funds. I'm pretty sure if he wasn't doing that he would be deemed as not doing his job.
The role of school president for any private school is pretty much dedicated to tirelessly begging for funds. I guess two things: Constantly advocate for the school, and get people to open up their checkbooks. They could summarize it as "bring in the students and then go get the money to educate them". I know people in those jobs must get really tired of it, but it's their job. I doubt these guys have the luxury of going to any church to speak on any subject and not trying to sign up a new financial supporter while they're there. I think there are very few who can do it well b/c it's definitely not something most people want to do or have the skill set to do. It would be almost like being a politician and constantly running for office.
I remember at MH in the 80's we had a school president named Dr. Sewell. He was a terrific school president and could raise money like nobody's business. He was probably the best I've seen at it, in fact he was hired away by a private university to be their president. Everywhere he goes he brings donations and fundraising, capital improvements, publicity, the whole deal. Those guys are hard to find.
I think it would be more difficult at HCU b/c most of the students that I know of who go there can't afford to pay their way. Then add in the people who come here from other countries to attend there, and there are a lot, who I'm certain couldn't pay their way either. So it would be up to the fundraising to take care of things. To be honest, I'm a little surprised that HCU has been able to weather the recent financial crisis as well as they have, without scaling way back or being threated with closing. There was a school in Mississippi that was very similar to HCU in size and scope that closed suddenly last Fall. The Christian Chronicle ran a long piece a few months ago on all the COC schools that have closed all over the country.
If you truly knew Dennis Jones, you would know that he has preached the gospel many, many times and does so every weekend at a congregation that loves him and respects him. He has been called on many times to preach during times when a congregation might be looking for a minister and many churches have wanted to hire him during that time, but he has refused as his feels his duty is to Heritage. There are only a handful of ministers in this area I would care to listen to and he is one of them. So if you've only heard him when he has had to do fundraising, then you've missed a great lesson. There's no need for character assassination, if you don't like him then don't go.
As far as the previous president goes, Dennis has/had nothing but love and respect for him. Sometimes changes are made at colleges and they are made not out of disrespect for the former president, but out of necessity. Dennis is not "running the show", he has a board of directors he must answer to and he does the best he can in the best interest of Heritage.
If you truly knew him, you would know that he is one of the most generous people I have ever met. I've seen him leave large tips for waitresses, just because he wanted to do something good for someone. The "used car" saleman remark is completely uncalled for. Unfortunately, being a private institution, they must do fundraising. It's a job I personally would hate, but Dennis doesn't mind it because it is for furthering the gospel.
As far as how Heritage has handled the Laura Bush situation, if you knew all the details, you might make the same call, I believe the Bible mentions something about not judging. She was hired last year before she made her unfortunate comments, there are contracts when it comes to hiring someone of her caliber which most likely requires some upfront money. You're talking about a university that operates on a very tight budget and this annual fundraiser is for scholarships.
I know that Dennis does not condone her comments. She is not coming here to promote her views on gay marriage or abortion, but rather to talk about her time in the White House. I know they were disappointed when they heard what she had to say since they most definitely don't share her views. This fundraiser is extremely important to the school and they didn't need any distractions, such as this, to keep them from being able to fulfill the scholarships to those students who need them.
If you don't like Laura Bush, don't go. If you don't like to hear Dennis speak, don't go listen to him. But insinuating he's a shady character is uncalled for because you apparently don't know the man.
As far as the previous president goes, Dennis has/had nothing but love and respect for him. Sometimes changes are made at colleges and they are made not out of disrespect for the former president, but out of necessity. Dennis is not "running the show", he has a board of directors he must answer to and he does the best he can in the best interest of Heritage.
If you truly knew him, you would know that he is one of the most generous people I have ever met. I've seen him leave large tips for waitresses, just because he wanted to do something good for someone. The "used car" saleman remark is completely uncalled for. Unfortunately, being a private institution, they must do fundraising. It's a job I personally would hate, but Dennis doesn't mind it because it is for furthering the gospel.
As far as how Heritage has handled the Laura Bush situation, if you knew all the details, you might make the same call, I believe the Bible mentions something about not judging. She was hired last year before she made her unfortunate comments, there are contracts when it comes to hiring someone of her caliber which most likely requires some upfront money. You're talking about a university that operates on a very tight budget and this annual fundraiser is for scholarships.
I know that Dennis does not condone her comments. She is not coming here to promote her views on gay marriage or abortion, but rather to talk about her time in the White House. I know they were disappointed when they heard what she had to say since they most definitely don't share her views. This fundraiser is extremely important to the school and they didn't need any distractions, such as this, to keep them from being able to fulfill the scholarships to those students who need them.
If you don't like Laura Bush, don't go. If you don't like to hear Dennis speak, don't go listen to him. But insinuating he's a shady character is uncalled for because you apparently don't know the man.
quote:Originally posted by elinterventor01:quote:Originally posted by Doogie:
Hey let's bring the women to Florence who's husband almost singlehandedly put us in the biggest national debt ever and cost thousands of our military their lives........Guess what I Won't Be THERE. Not even if they had free pancakes!!!!!!!!
Bush's largest deficit was about $200 billion. Obama will match that and add a factor of six, annually. The present recession was generated almost solely by government policy -- policy set mainly by the Democrats.
Bush, by committing the U.S. to the stupid and unnecesary war in Iraq, generated far more than $200 million in obligations to the Chinese bankers who hold our debt. The direct costs of that 8-year war, added to the long-term costs of caring for all the cruelly-injured veterans of that misadventure, will add up to a HUGE burden on the economy and one that could have been avoided by the use of common sense and the rejection of the failed and miserable philosophy of the neocon warmongers who manipulated the harebrained Bush into war!
quote:Originally posted by beternU:quote:Originally posted by elinterventor01:quote:Originally posted by Doogie:
Hey let's bring the women to Florence who's husband almost singlehandedly put us in the biggest national debt ever and cost thousands of our military their lives........Guess what I Won't Be THERE. Not even if they had free pancakes!!!!!!!!
Bush's largest deficit was about $200 billion. Obama will match that and add a factor of six, annually. The present recession was generated almost solely by government policy -- policy set mainly by the Democrats.
Bush, by committing the U.S. to the stupid and unnecesary war in Iraq, generated far more than $200 million in obligations to the Chinese bankers who hold our debt. The direct costs of that 8-year war, added to the long-term costs of caring for all the cruelly-injured veterans of that misadventure, will add up to a HUGE burden on the economy and one that could have been avoided by the use of common sense and the rejection of the failed and miserable philosophy of the neocon warmongers who manipulated the harebrained Bush into war!
This year, Obama will run up a deficit of about $1.6 trillion, and each year thereafter. Now, who is the extremely stupid one! The Afghanistan/Iran wars generated about $82 billion a year in debt.
And unnessasarily killed our men. But their "just" American Soldiers. Who cares if it was just another Vietnam. These statements are drenched with sarcasm by the way.
quote:Originally posted by beternU:quote:Originally posted by elinterventor01:quote:Originally posted by Doogie:
Hey let's bring the women to Florence who's husband almost singlehandedly put us in the biggest national debt ever and cost thousands of our military their lives........Guess what I Won't Be THERE. Not even if they had free pancakes!!!!!!!!
Bush's largest deficit was about $200 billion. Obama will match that and add a factor of six, annually. The present recession was generated almost solely by government policy -- policy set mainly by the Democrats.
Bush, by committing the U.S. to the stupid and unnecesary war in Iraq, generated far more than $200 million in obligations to the Chinese bankers who hold our debt. The direct costs of that 8-year war, added to the long-term costs of caring for all the cruelly-injured veterans of that misadventure, will add up to a HUGE burden on the economy and one that could have been avoided by the use of common sense and the rejection of the failed and miserable philosophy of the neocon warmongers who manipulated the harebrained Bush into war!
This thread is about Laura Bush, and her impending visit to the area to speak at HCU. You seem to have confused her with her husband, who actually was President of the United States. While he ran the free world, I believe Laura was busy picking furniture and decorating the White House Christmas tree. She has stories to tell and a lot of insight into certain things, and will no doubt make an excellent fundraiser, but she has nothing to do with your off-topic rant.
You've got your BDS in a wad over *Laura* Bush. Think that one through for a minute.