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Well, she wanted to attend the prom so she did. It's not against the law if others didn't want to go to the one she went to.
OK, this will sound ugly but this is what our society has done to our children. IF they don't get picked for the team -- it hurts their feelings -- so instead of teaching them character and grace, we say everyone gets to play. If they don't get invited to the neighbor's birthday party -- it hurts their feelings -- so the neighbor either has to spend extra money to invite the whole neighborhood instead of just friends or they have to opt to not have a party. She got to go to the school prom which is what she wanted, but most of the others didn't want to be part of it with her. It's their decision. SHe can't force them to want to hang out with her.
This girl is a lesbian. She is in for a long road ahead. Society is still not 100% accepting, and I don't know that it will ever be.
I have several friends that are gay and a few that are bi, but they don't get in pity me mode -- they dust off and go on and have made better lives for themselves and are better people for the struggles.
This girl is a lesbian. She is in for a long road ahead. Society is still not 100% accepting, and I don't know that it will ever be.
I have several friends that are gay and a few that are bi, but they don't get in pity me mode -- they dust off and go on and have made better lives for themselves and are better people for the struggles.
It they skipped the regular prom and had a private one they can invite who they want. She went to her school's prom but most of the other students skipped it and went to this private prom. Was it mean possibly but it isn't a violation of anything. Other students can't be forced into liking someone. Heck maybe they don't like her for reasons other than her sexual orientation.
I'm sure there was a lot of publicity, considering all the recent controversy. I, as a highschool student, would have wanted to avoid that as well.
Well, the "lesbian student" is getting to go to LA to be on Wanda Sykes. A heck of a lot better than having to stay one minute more in Itawamba.
Comedy skit:
Father who has just had his gay son come out: "There are places for people like you, you know."
Son: "Yeah, it's called Manhattan."
Comedy skit:
Father who has just had his gay son come out: "There are places for people like you, you know."
Son: "Yeah, it's called Manhattan."
Wanda Sykes is funny. At this point, it's just publicity and wanting a "public outcry" -- unfortunately, I don't think at this point there is much pity left becasue it does appear that that is what she wants is to be the center of attention. At some point, you have to realize that Itawamba or Florence AL people's opinions don't matter and move to where you can live a happy life and be comfortable in your own skin -- it may not happen there and you can't force it on the community and demand acceptance. You may get in the door but that doesn't mean anyone will talk to you or be friendly -- it just means you get to go to the prom. And she did.
If she had not made a big deal of it in the first place, it would have largely gone un-noticed at the Prom, much less become National News. She wanted a spotlight on herself and she got it. Sorry but the world does not bend to your liking all the time. Next time, keep your mouth shut, meet your friend at the Prom and be low key, like the most of the rest of the planet. Maybe the ACLU will now sue all her classmates for not being her friend. I am willing to bet the other classmates were glad to attend a low key event without her.
Who wants to go to a dance in Fulton, MS, anyhow? Did they have to bring in a d.j. from Tupelo or Muscle Shoals?
Well, probably not many, but if I am told I cannot bring as an escort whomever I choose, then I would make it a loud and very public outcry.
Looks like the girl is tired of the B.S. of those "saved" in Mississippi!
Well, probably not many, but if I am told I cannot bring as an escort whomever I choose, then I would make it a loud and very public outcry.
Looks like the girl is tired of the B.S. of those "saved" in Mississippi!
quote:Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
Who wants to go to a dance in Fulton, MS, anyhow? Did they have to bring in a d.j. from Tupelo or Muscle Shoals?
Well, probably not many, but if I am told I cannot bring as an escort whomever I choose, then I would make it a loud and very public outcry.
Looks like the girl is tired of the B.S. of those "saved" in Mississippi!
Her plan backfired on her. My respect for the leaders in Fulton for standing up for what they believe in.
quote:Originally posted by LE89:
If she had not made a big deal of it in the first place, it would have largely gone un-noticed at the Prom, much less become National News. She wanted a spotlight on herself and she got it. Sorry but the world does not bend to your liking all the time. Next time, keep your mouth shut, meet your friend at the Prom and be low key, like the most of the rest of the planet. Maybe the ACLU will now sue all her classmates for not being her friend. I am willing to bet the other classmates were glad to attend a low key event without her.
No, their rule is that your date cannot be of the same sex. If she had bought her friend a ticket, lied about the name/sex of her date & shown up, she'd have been in a lot of trouble. She asked permission & was denied.
Now, how the media got involved, I do not know.
I have my doubts as to the validity of this story. It says she was sent to a "fake prom". Are we to believe the five other students there were misled as well? Sounds fishy to me.
Another situation where our schools are put into a position where they have to make a moral decision....a decision totally unrelated to the academic atmosphere....and we never will address the true wellspring of the problems. The prom McMillen attended only attracted five other students, two of whom have learning difficulties. What the **** does this have to do with anything?
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
Now, how the media got involved, I do not know.
Wasn't it reported that she & her family contacted the media?
quote:Her plan backfired on her. My respect for the leaders in Fulton for standing up for what they believe in.
No, her "plan" did not backfire: she exposed backwoods blowhards for what they were, bigots, pure and simple who don't have the ability to do much but micromanage a crappy little hick school. I am sure you would love Fulton, my dear Friend in Christ. It is nearly as cosmopolitan and advanced as Red Bay or Vina. You should see the art museum and the sushi chef at work!
quote:Originally posted by semiannualchick:quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
Now, how the media got involved, I do not know.
Wasn't it reported that she & her family contacted the media?
I believe you are right. I remember her saying she was glad she stood up for herself or something on MSNBC online a while back or her dad saying he was proud of her for letting the world know etc.
quote:Originally posted by Aude Sapere:quote:Her plan backfired on her. My respect for the leaders in Fulton for standing up for what they believe in.
No, her "plan" did not backfire: she exposed backwoods blowhards for what they were, bigots, pure and simple who don't have the ability to do much but micromanage a crappy little hick school. I am sure you would love Fulton, my dear Friend in Christ. It is nearly as cosmopolitan and advanced as Red Bay or Vina. You should see the art museum and the sushi chef at work!
Just because they don't think that girls should date girls doesn't make it "backwoods" or even "religious" necessarily. For many people, it is still the parts of the anatomy don't match or they look at it from their eyes -- as a man they see a woman as attractive but don't find men attractive. It's still personal opinion and preference. This still happens in big cities as well as small towns. Her plan did backfire. She wanted to go to her prom and she wanted everyone to have to be part of it -- but they all ran the other direction -- her friends and schoolmates and school leaders ran the other direction. Her desire for acceptance was not achieved. That town proved that just because the federal government tells you that you can't violate someone's rights doesn't mean that you have to participate in something that you disagree with or don't want to be a part of.
However, If you look at it another way -- both parties won. The girl got to go to her prom and brought attention to same sex relationships and the people that didn't want to accept her got to exercise their rights as well by having a private party of their own -- that if it was anything like my prom -- was probably a better party.
quote:Originally posted by Eastside:quote:Originally posted by Aude Sapere:quote:Her plan backfired on her. My respect for the leaders in Fulton for standing up for what they believe in.
No, her "plan" did not backfire: she exposed backwoods blowhards for what they were, bigots, pure and simple who don't have the ability to do much but micromanage a crappy little hick school. I am sure you would love Fulton, my dear Friend in Christ. It is nearly as cosmopolitan and advanced as Red Bay or Vina. You should see the art museum and the sushi chef at work!
Just because they don't think that girls should date girls doesn't make it "backwoods" or even "religious" necessarily. For many people, it is still the parts of the anatomy don't match or they look at it from their eyes -- as a man they see a woman as attractive but don't find men attractive. It's still personal opinion and preference. This still happens in big cities as well as small towns. Her plan did backfire. She wanted to go to her prom and she wanted everyone to have to be part of it -- but they all ran the other direction -- her friends and schoolmates and school leaders ran the other direction. Her desire for acceptance was not achieved. That town proved that just because the federal government tells you that you can't violate someone's rights doesn't mean that you have to participate in something that you disagree with or don't want to be a part of.
However, If you look at it another way -- both parties won. The girl got to go to her prom and brought attention to same sex relationships and the people that didn't want to accept her got to exercise their rights as well by having a private party of their own -- that if it was anything like my prom -- was probably a better party.
To me this is was really no different than what would have happened many years ago if a white student had wanted to bring a black date to the prom.
The folks who organized the non-lesbian prom and all the folks who attended can pat themselves on the back for demonstrating how petty folks can be. Each one of them needs to be on the other side such an action. Perhaps then they might learn something.
It still goes back to where one person's rights ends and another's begins. You can't force acceptance on anyone. I see where the pettiness is but this is still a free country and to each his own.
Something is missing from that story. Who's the jerk who organized the fake prom? As small-minded as some of those parents might be, no one can stop them from organizing a private prom for all the "cool kids." However, to schedule an event to trick 7 people, two of whom were apparently mentally handicapped, is just pointless, tactless, and mean spirited.
To those of you using the Bible as a weapon against homosexuality, you are wrong. Homosexuality is not a sin. The Bible is constantly being taken out of context to support anti-gay views. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages (Leviticus, Corinthians, Romans, etc) have nothing to do with homosexuality. These passages often cherry-picked while ignoring the rest of the Bible. The sins theses passages are referring to are idolatry, Greek temple sex worship, prostitution, pederasty with teen boys, and rape, not homosexuality or two loving consenting adults.
http://www.soulfoodministry.or.../English/NotASin.htm
http://www.jesus21.com/content...sexuality_print.html
http://www.christchapel.com/reclaiming.html
http://www.stjohnsmcc.org/new/...blicalReferences.php
http://www.gaychristian101.com/
Thats why Jesus never mentions it as well. There is nothing immoral, wrong, or sinful about being gay. Jesus, however, clearly states he HATES hypocrites. If you preach goodness, then promote hate and twist the words of the Bible, you are a hypocrite, and will be judged and sent to hell. Homosexuals will not go to hell, hypocrites will.
This is very similar to the religious bigots of the past, where they took Bible passages to condone slavery, keep women down, and used Bible passages to claim blacks as curses who should be enslaved by the white man. People used God to claim that blacks marrying whites was unnatural, and not of God's will.
http://www.soulfoodministry.or.../English/NotASin.htm
http://www.jesus21.com/content...sexuality_print.html
http://www.christchapel.com/reclaiming.html
http://www.stjohnsmcc.org/new/...blicalReferences.php
http://www.gaychristian101.com/
Thats why Jesus never mentions it as well. There is nothing immoral, wrong, or sinful about being gay. Jesus, however, clearly states he HATES hypocrites. If you preach goodness, then promote hate and twist the words of the Bible, you are a hypocrite, and will be judged and sent to hell. Homosexuals will not go to hell, hypocrites will.
This is very similar to the religious bigots of the past, where they took Bible passages to condone slavery, keep women down, and used Bible passages to claim blacks as curses who should be enslaved by the white man. People used God to claim that blacks marrying whites was unnatural, and not of God's will.
For those of you claiming homosexuality is a "lifestyle", that is a false and ignorant statement. Homosexuality is not a choice. Just like you don't choose the color of your skin, you cannot choose whom you are sexually attracted to. If you can, sorry, but you are not heterosexual, you are bi-sexual. Virtually all major psychological and medical experts agree that sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Most gay people will tell you its not a choice. Common sense will tell you its not a choice. While science is relatively new to studying homosexuality, studies tend to indicate that its biological.
http://www-news.uchicago.edu/r...brain-activation.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/ch...he-opposite-sex.html
Gay, Straight Men's Brain Responses Differ
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155990,00.html
http://www.livescience.com/hea...60224_gay_genes.html
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w27453600k586276/
http://blogs.discovermagazine....eats/2008/06/16/172/
There is overwhelming scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Sexual orientation is generally a biological trait that is determined pre-natally, although there is no one certain thing that explains all of the cases. "Nurture" may have some effect, but for the most part it is biological.
And it should also be noted that:
"It is worth noting that many medical and scientific organizations do believe it is impossible to change a person's sexual orientation and this is displayed in a statement by American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, and National Education Association."
http://www-news.uchicago.edu/r...brain-activation.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/ch...he-opposite-sex.html
Gay, Straight Men's Brain Responses Differ
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155990,00.html
http://www.livescience.com/hea...60224_gay_genes.html
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w27453600k586276/
http://blogs.discovermagazine....eats/2008/06/16/172/
There is overwhelming scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Sexual orientation is generally a biological trait that is determined pre-natally, although there is no one certain thing that explains all of the cases. "Nurture" may have some effect, but for the most part it is biological.
And it should also be noted that:
"It is worth noting that many medical and scientific organizations do believe it is impossible to change a person's sexual orientation and this is displayed in a statement by American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, and National Education Association."
The National Library of Medicine pubs confirm that sexual orientation is natural, biologically induced in the first trimester of pregnancy, morally neutral, immutable, neither contagious nor learned, bearing no relation to an individuals ability to form deep and lasting relationships, to parent children, to work or to contribute to society.
From the American Psychological Association: homosexuality is normal; homosexual relationships are normal.
The American Academy of Pediatrics, American Psychological Asociation and American Psychiatric Asociation have endorsed civil marriage for same-sex couples because marriage strengthens mental and physical health and longevity of couples, and provides greater legal and financial security for children, parents and seniors.
America's premier child/mental health associations endorse marriage equality.
From the American Psychological Association: homosexuality is normal; homosexual relationships are normal.
The American Academy of Pediatrics, American Psychological Asociation and American Psychiatric Asociation have endorsed civil marriage for same-sex couples because marriage strengthens mental and physical health and longevity of couples, and provides greater legal and financial security for children, parents and seniors.
America's premier child/mental health associations endorse marriage equality.
This was taken from another poster that shows why we need to legalize gay marriage. If you don't feel for this person after reading it, you simply aren't human.
"I am not sure what our President thinks of this dicission but coming from a poor family and knowing what discrimination is all about I would assume he would not care if "Gays" have equal rights. The whole reason why they are asking for rights to be considered married is from the same reason why I would be for it. My own life partner commited suicide in our home with a gun to his heart. After a 28 year union I was deprived to even go his funeral. We had two plots next to each other. But because we did not have a marriage cirtificate "(Legal Document)" of our union his mother had him cremated and his ashes taken back to Missouri where we came from. That is only one example how painful it is. His suicide tramatized me so much and her disregard for my feelings only added to my heartach. That happened on March 21 of 2007 and I still cannot type this without crying for the trauma I have to endure each day. Oh did I mention I am in an electric wheelchair for life? Yes I am and it is very diffacult to find another mate when you are 58 and in a wheelchair. "v
"I am not sure what our President thinks of this dicission but coming from a poor family and knowing what discrimination is all about I would assume he would not care if "Gays" have equal rights. The whole reason why they are asking for rights to be considered married is from the same reason why I would be for it. My own life partner commited suicide in our home with a gun to his heart. After a 28 year union I was deprived to even go his funeral. We had two plots next to each other. But because we did not have a marriage cirtificate "(Legal Document)" of our union his mother had him cremated and his ashes taken back to Missouri where we came from. That is only one example how painful it is. His suicide tramatized me so much and her disregard for my feelings only added to my heartach. That happened on March 21 of 2007 and I still cannot type this without crying for the trauma I have to endure each day. Oh did I mention I am in an electric wheelchair for life? Yes I am and it is very diffacult to find another mate when you are 58 and in a wheelchair. "v
Violence against a minority group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V..._against_LGBT_people
Gays are being beaten, shot at, sent to the hospital, killed. In the Middle East, they are killing gays among other groups out of hatred. Is this what we want America to become? Do we want America to revert back to the 1960's when groups were killed and segregated against for simply no good reason? Do we want to follow the ways of the Middle East and Al Queda? Let's push forward, it's time to end bigotry, discrimination, hate, and ignorance. This is modern America, not the Dark Ages.
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/hate.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V..._against_LGBT_people
Gays are being beaten, shot at, sent to the hospital, killed. In the Middle East, they are killing gays among other groups out of hatred. Is this what we want America to become? Do we want America to revert back to the 1960's when groups were killed and segregated against for simply no good reason? Do we want to follow the ways of the Middle East and Al Queda? Let's push forward, it's time to end bigotry, discrimination, hate, and ignorance. This is modern America, not the Dark Ages.
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/hate.htm
The American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the National Association of Social Workers state:
"There is no scientific basis for distinguishing between same-sex couples and heterosexual couples with respect to the legal rights, obligations, benefits, and burdens conferred by civil marriage."
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/co...cus_Curiae_Brief.pdf
Thus, mental health professionals and researchers have long recognized that being homosexual poses no inherent obstacle to leading a happy, healthy, and productive life, and that the vast majority of gay and lesbian people function well in the full array of social institutions and interpersonal relationships.
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/co...cus_Curiae_Brief.pdf
The research and clinical literature demonstrate that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality.
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/res...erapeutic-response.p df
The longstanding consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions is that homosexuality per se is a normal and positive variation of human sexual orientation.
http://www.apa.org/about/gover...ncil/policy/sexual-o rientation.aspx
"There is no scientific basis for distinguishing between same-sex couples and heterosexual couples with respect to the legal rights, obligations, benefits, and burdens conferred by civil marriage."
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/co...cus_Curiae_Brief.pdf
Thus, mental health professionals and researchers have long recognized that being homosexual poses no inherent obstacle to leading a happy, healthy, and productive life, and that the vast majority of gay and lesbian people function well in the full array of social institutions and interpersonal relationships.
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/co...cus_Curiae_Brief.pdf
The research and clinical literature demonstrate that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality.
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/res...erapeutic-response.p df
The longstanding consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions is that homosexuality per se is a normal and positive variation of human sexual orientation.
http://www.apa.org/about/gover...ncil/policy/sexual-o rientation.aspx
I shudder at the thought of "civic leadership" in Itawamba. Jeez, it makes Lauderdale look as if it were in the City, County, and State of New York, as paperwork in Manhattan is so cited. It makes Huntsville look like London!
You defenders of the indefensible need to get busy with your gardens or tea party or something and not worry about parties and adults stopping people from inviting someone of their own choosing to a hick dance.
You defenders of the indefensible need to get busy with your gardens or tea party or something and not worry about parties and adults stopping people from inviting someone of their own choosing to a hick dance.
Sap...your contempt for those who are not "cosmopolitan" is showing...sushi chef, art museum, coffee shops, intellectualism....your psuedocosmo is not new..either you are or you aren't....and you've already blown your facade.
quote:Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
No, her "plan" did not backfire: she exposed backwoods blowhards for what they were, bigots, pure and simple who don't have the ability to do much but micromanage a crappy little hick school. I am sure you would love Fulton, my dear Friend in Christ. It is nearly as cosmopolitan and advanced as Red Bay or Vina. You should see the art museum and the sushi chef at work!
Please "Dare to be Wise", as You have such Bohemian qualities, both artistic (painting people with a BROAD brush) and intellectual (obviously judging the people of these communties by your "smarts"), could you please elaborate on what the people of these communities (Fulton, Red Bay, Vina, Lauderdale...etc.) should do to correct their "backward blowhard, bigot,hick" image.
You can start with EACH person...from A to Z.
as you must surely need to know how EVERYONE feels, and not just generalization.
Im' sure they're waiting...
Thank You!
quote:Originally posted by Eastside:
It still goes back to where one person's rights ends and another's begins. You can't force acceptance on anyone. I see where the pettiness is but this is still a free country and to each his own.
No one has an intrinsic right to treat others poorly merely because they don't like them. That teenager did not choose to be a lesbian, she simply discovered at puberty that she was one.
This story just seems to get worse. When I first heard this, I thought "Surely Not" but apparently it appears to be true. But then you look at some of the backward comments on this forum and it makes you shudder. I know not all of Itawamba's citizens are this bigoted and I feel embarrassed for them.
To the dolts who do not recognize satire, all I can say is "Learn to recognize satire when it slaps you in the face."
Could you honestly not tell satire when you read it, or are you so ardently set upon pushing your own views which you may or may not call "God's" onto others that you take everything literally, like you do Revelation? (That was satire, by the way, the Revelation part, anyhow.)
It should be clear how non-seriously I take a bunch of "school board members" who are afraid of a single lesbian student and her date!
Cowards are what they are: fence straddlers, afraid to quote Leviticus or to take the civil rights stance either!
Meanwhile, it looks as if rain is on its way and I need to get the chickens in the hen house as they are scratching in the front yard. While that looks as if it is satire, it is not, I really need to get the chickens inside.
Could you honestly not tell satire when you read it, or are you so ardently set upon pushing your own views which you may or may not call "God's" onto others that you take everything literally, like you do Revelation? (That was satire, by the way, the Revelation part, anyhow.)
It should be clear how non-seriously I take a bunch of "school board members" who are afraid of a single lesbian student and her date!
Cowards are what they are: fence straddlers, afraid to quote Leviticus or to take the civil rights stance either!
Meanwhile, it looks as if rain is on its way and I need to get the chickens in the hen house as they are scratching in the front yard. While that looks as if it is satire, it is not, I really need to get the chickens inside.
quote:To the dolts who do not recognize satire, all I can say is "Learn to recognize satire when it slaps you in the face."
Satire has nothing to do with calling people names, and vice versa...
quote:It should be clear how non-seriously I take a bunch of "school board members" who are afraid of a single lesbian student and her date!
And yet you continue to "ignorantly blow-off" about the subject...Huh!
No, Mamawhatever, my term of "dolt" was directed straight at your ilk with no satire, sarcasm, or humor intended. Perhaps you lot would be more comfortable with "reactionary dullard?" Maybe "blustering buffoon" if you like alliteration?
quote:Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
Well, the "lesbian student" is getting to go to LA to be on Wanda Sykes. A heck of a lot better than having to stay one minute more in Itawamba.
Comedy skit:
Father who has just had his gay son come out: "There are places for people like you, you know."
Son: "Yeah, it's called Manhattan."
Is this your way of coming out of the closet???
If we get to the point where we accept homosexuality as natural, any evidence we might cling to as being above animals is gone..even they, who do not possess the "higher order of rational thinking", understand left from right and opposites..I think that is part of our problem, if we rationalize, or throw enough words, at something we can make anything natural ...all the evidence one needs is to check the human anatomy...I think that is enough to satisfy most rational people.
quote:Originally posted by mamyliga:
If we get to the point where we accept homosexuality as natural, any evidence we might cling to as being above animals is gone..even they, who do not possess the "higher order of rational thinking", understand left from right and opposites..I think that is part of our problem, if we rationalize, or throw enough words, at something we can make anything natural ...all the evidence one needs is to check the human anatomy...I think that is enough to satisfy most rational people.
And you called yourself a professional.
You seem to have limited understanding of either human sexuality or biology. So, mamyliga, please do tell what is an XY genetic male with CAIS? Your anatomy check would be a bit off since you would find perfect female genitalia coupled with internal testes instead ovaries. Is such a person gay if they are sexually attracted to men?
logical...as you have argued continuously, the physical parts have nothing to do with the mental choices.......
Being gay is not a "mental" choice but I doubt that you would believe that. What amazes me is that you can make such an assumption when you are not gay yourself. How can you determine what someone's feelings are and what they have experienced when you have not lived in their shoes?
In a previous statement, you said that you were a coach. This explains a lot. Thank God you are not in a counseling or psychological field.
In a previous statement, you said that you were a coach. This explains a lot. Thank God you are not in a counseling or psychological field.
quote:Originally posted by mamyliga:
logical...as you have argued continuously, the physical parts have nothing to do with the mental choices.......
And yet your judgement of those mental choices is based solely on the appearance of those physical parts. For you appearance is everything.
The trouble with appearance is that it is considerably variable. Please explain how those that don't meet your gender standard of physical appearance (ie., intersexed people) can make a "choice" that you won't condemn?