Bernie was a fan of the Soviets.   Any republican candidate would be devoured by the media if they had vacationed in the Soviet Union much less if they had their Honeymoon there making some of the statements Bernie was caught making.  To be fair to Demcorats though Bernie is NOT a Democrat even if he chooses to run in the election as a Democrat.  That's the good news for the Democrats but the bad news is that there are many others within their party that are just as radical and socialist if not worse.  

Bernie, I believe, missd his chance when he chose to attmept to run a civil campaign against Hillary in 2016 because Hillary was going to be ruthless in her campaign against anyone else and in fact the Democrats fixed the primaries with their super delegates to favor Hillary and totally exclude Bernie no matter how well he performed.  With Biden entering the race I doubt that Bernie will continue to remain in second place.  

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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You can always die trying but then some would just liken it to beating your head against a brick wall hoping to break through it.  It might be impossible but just one day you might make some progress but with a great amount of pain.  

GB....have I ever been "unkind" to you? Since I only post to you, Jack, Dire and a couple of more sensible folks, I'm having a hard time finding where I have been unkind to anyone...unlike the liberals here...especially "Dr. John", and that Crashton guy that attacks everyone that doesn't agree with them.

Jutu posted:

GB....have I ever been "unkind" to you? Since I only post to you, Jack, Dire and a couple of more sensible folks, I'm having a hard time finding where I have been unkind to anyone...unlike the liberals here...especially "Dr. John", and that Crashton guy that attacks everyone that doesn't agree with them.

Not in the least and I hope I haven't said anything that would make you feel that way.  You have been totally civil, kind, and polite.  The point of this thread, I was trying to make, was that although Bernie was running in the Democratic primary when he wasn't a declared Democrat the majority of the Democratic Party has gravitated to Bernie or rather has become socialist if not headed toward communism.  The statement about being "fair" was more just a play on words and not directed toward anyone so I hope that you wasn't thinking I had directed that at you.  

Actually it wasn't directed toward anyone specific but rather was just finding it ironic that Bernie (not being a Democrat) attempted to join the Democrat party, running in 2016 as a Democrat but the irony is that most of the Democratic Party (and politicians) have joined Bernie in becoming Socialist/Communist leaning.  

Bernie attempted to join them but they ended up joining, and gravitating to him.

The topic was meant not toward any person, group of persons but was just a way of trying to say the Democrats weren't responsible for Bernie's beliefs but they ended up adopting them now. 

gbrk posted:
Jutu posted:

GB....have I ever been "unkind" to you? Since I only post to you, Jack, Dire and a couple of more sensible folks, I'm having a hard time finding where I have been unkind to anyone...unlike the liberals here...especially "Dr. John", and that Crashton guy that attacks everyone that doesn't agree with them.

Not in the least and I hope I haven't said anything that would make you feel that way.  You have been totally civil, kind, and polite.  The point of this thread, I was trying to make, was that although Bernie was running in the Democratic primary when he wasn't a declared Democrat the majority of the Democratic Party has gravitated to Bernie or rather has become socialist if not headed toward communism.  The statement about being "fair" was more just a play on words and not directed toward anyone so I hope that you wasn't thinking I had directed that at you.  

Actually it wasn't directed toward anyone specific but rather was just finding it ironic that Bernie (not being a Democrat) attempted to join the Democrat party, running in 2016 as a Democrat but the irony is that most of the Democratic Party (and politicians) have joined Bernie in becoming Socialist/Communist leaning.  

Bernie attempted to join them but they ended up joining, and gravitating to him.

The topic was meant not toward any person, group of persons but was just a way of trying to say the Democrats weren't responsible for Bernie's beliefs but they ended up adopting them now. 

I asked because of the claim Dr. John had made that I had never been kind. So apparently that meant she...or he...was insinuating I had been unkind yet couldn't give an example. No, you have never been the least bit unkind or combative towards me or anyone else I can see. That claim from John came after it's snarky remark to Jack about one of his subjects and is just one more attempt to control the conversations.

Jutu posted:
gbrk posted:
Jutu posted:

GB....have I ever been "unkind" to you? Since I only post to you, Jack, Dire and a couple of more sensible folks, I'm having a hard time finding where I have been unkind to anyone...unlike the liberals here...especially "Dr. John", and that Crashton guy that attacks everyone that doesn't agree with them.

Not in the least and I hope I haven't said anything that would make you feel that way.  You have been totally civil, kind, and polite.  The point of this thread, I was trying to make, was that although Bernie was running in the Democratic primary when he wasn't a declared Democrat the majority of the Democratic Party has gravitated to Bernie or rather has become socialist if not headed toward communism.  The statement about being "fair" was more just a play on words and not directed toward anyone so I hope that you wasn't thinking I had directed that at you.  

Actually it wasn't directed toward anyone specific but rather was just finding it ironic that Bernie (not being a Democrat) attempted to join the Democrat party, running in 2016 as a Democrat but the irony is that most of the Democratic Party (and politicians) have joined Bernie in becoming Socialist/Communist leaning.  

Bernie attempted to join them but they ended up joining, and gravitating to him.

The topic was meant not toward any person, group of persons but was just a way of trying to say the Democrats weren't responsible for Bernie's beliefs but they ended up adopting them now. 

I asked because of the claim Dr. John had made that I had never been kind. So apparently that meant she...or he...was insinuating I had been unkind yet couldn't give an example. No, you have never been the least bit unkind or combative towards me or anyone else I can see. That claim from John came after it's snarky remark to Jack about one of his subjects and is just one more attempt to control the conversations.

Nope. It was Dr. John's attempt to point out your hatred of Democrats and how you expound such on the forums. You can't have a civil discussion without making some comment as to how Democrats are lesser humans. I'm sorry you missed the point, but you usually do. Blinded by hate for half the country can't be good for your mental well being.

Really crash aka cranston? You really posted that? You, who hates all Republicans and attacks everything they post, just like Jank/Dr. John? You couldn't even be nice to GB, and he never does anything to anyone, and you made him say he was going to block you. You have to be pretty bad for GB to block you, but then again you are. You try everything to goad people into fighting so you and your pals can run and report. Blocked is where you belong.

giftedamateur posted:

Really crash aka cranston? You really posted that? You, who hates all Republicans and attacks everything they post, just like Jank/Dr. John? You couldn't even be nice to GB, and he never does anything to anyone, and you made him say he was going to block you. You have to be pretty bad for GB to block you, but then again you are. You try everything to goad people into fighting so you and your pals can run and report. Blocked is where you belong.

I attempt to remain impartial as possible knowing that we are all influenced by our own personal biases and beliefs.  I believe that we can learn or benefit from our disagreements as much as we can from agreements or those we disagree with as much as those we agree with.  I also like to approach any conflict or competitor (of opinions) from a standpoint of considering that the other person has valid points based on their own perspectives and biases but that we can hopefully converge on some agreement even if that is agreeing to disagree but in everything keep it respective and rational.  The reason I feel we can often learn (increase our own understanding/experience) from those we disagree with, is that others have different experiences and history than that I have had so additional exposures than I have had and it's more a case of attempting to put on another's shoes, so to say. 

In the case of my banning L. Cranston, which I did do, I did so because it quickly became fruitless and an impossible impasse because I was constantly being miscategorized and it was apparent that a civil dialog couldn't be maintained because there was no way I could be considered anything but an adversary (pigeonholed as being a Republican, rather than an independent) and so it was like beating my head against a concrete wall over and over and over again, regardless of my statements indicating my willingness to consider other sides.  I can always unblock at any time also and I do still at times click to see a response made but find it easier not to until potentially there is some hope of civil discourse, and I hope at some point there will be.

I can understand why they might think I am Republican due to my post but there also is no attempt at understanding why my post might lean that way.  I admit to being a Christian conservative, for the most part, and because of the recent leanings and direction of the Democrat politicians and the recent positions of many Republican politicians then I have favored the Republican positions and side.   I have voted for some Democrats before, unfortunately, some that gave me moral indigestion for doing so. 

I do believe it's important for us to choose politicians and representatives to represent the things important to us but not to establish a theocracy or a dictatorship.  Freedom is something to cherish and that means that sometimes things go other than what you would like and you accept it for the better of the nation.  This is the case with the position of the President.  The President is the President for all people even those who voted against him/her but got the voted in due to their ultimate platform and positions.  

I did not and still don't, respect Obama even though (sadly) I voted for him the first time around but I did respect the position of President so supported him until his term ended.   I quickly became disenchanted with Obama over his apologetic approach to other nations as if American did something wrong or was inherently bad.  Democrats pushing through the ACA (unAffordable Healthcare Act) totally ruining Healthcare insurance and greatly increasing the family cost for healthcare cemented my disenchantment with Democrats.  

Sadly though it seems the great majority of people that voted against Donald Trump, though, cannot respect the position of president but will not accept Trump as president. Also, the Democrats have given me no incentive to return to voting for them by their stance on late-term and after term abortions as well as an unrealistic approach to climate change.  I don't buy into the "MAN MADE" climate change doctrine that they are preaching.  I'm not denying climate changes because it has and always will but I don't believe in punishing man or specifically the United States blaming us for making up woes that are exacerbated to the point of absurdity with a chicken little approach.  

gbrk posted:
giftedamateur posted:

Really crash aka cranston? You really posted that? You, who hates all Republicans and attacks everything they post, just like Jank/Dr. John? You couldn't even be nice to GB, and he never does anything to anyone, and you made him say he was going to block you. You have to be pretty bad for GB to block you, but then again you are. You try everything to goad people into fighting so you and your pals can run and report. Blocked is where you belong.

I attempt to remain impartial as possible knowing that we are all influenced by our own personal biases and beliefs.  I believe that we can learn or benefit from our disagreements as much as we can from agreements or those we disagree with as much as those we agree with.  I also like to approach any conflict or competitor (of opinions) from a standpoint of considering that the other person has valid points based on their own perspectives and biases but that we can hopefully converge on some agreement even if that is agreeing to disagree but in everything keep it respective and rational.  The reason I feel we can often learn (increase our own understanding/experience) from those we disagree with, is that others have different experiences and history than that I have had so additional exposures than I have had and it's more a case of attempting to put on another's shoes, so to say. 

In the case of my banning L. Cranston, which I did do, I did so because it quickly became fruitless and an impossible impasse because I was constantly being miscategorized and it was apparent that a civil dialog couldn't be maintained because there was no way I could be considered anything but an adversary (pigeonholed as being a Republican, rather than an independent) and so it was like beating my head against a concrete wall over and over and over again, regardless of my statements indicating my willingness to consider other sides.  I can always unblock at any time also and I do still at times click to see a response made but find it easier not to until potentially there is some hope of civil discourse, and I hope at some point there will be.

I can understand why they might think I am Republican due to my post but there also is no attempt at understanding why my post might lean that way.  I admit to being a Christian conservative, for the most part, and because of the recent leanings and direction of the Democrat politicians and the recent positions of many Republican politicians then I have favored the Republican positions and side.   I have voted for some Democrats before, unfortunately, some that gave me moral indigestion for doing so. 

I do believe it's important for us to choose politicians and representatives to represent the things important to us but not to establish a theocracy or a dictatorship.  Freedom is something to cherish and that means that sometimes things go other than what you would like and you accept it for the better of the nation.  This is the case with the position of the President.  The President is the President for all people even those who voted against him/her but got the voted in due to their ultimate platform and positions.  

I did not and still don't, respect Obama even though (sadly) I voted for him the first time around but I did respect the position of President so supported him until his term ended.   I quickly became disenchanted with Obama over his apologetic approach to other nations as if American did something wrong or was inherently bad.  Democrats pushing through the ACA (unAffordable Healthcare Act) totally ruining Healthcare insurance and greatly increasing the family cost for healthcare cemented my disenchantment with Democrats.  

Sadly though it seems the great majority of people that voted against Donald Trump, though, cannot respect the position of president but will not accept Trump as president. Also, the Democrats have given me no incentive to return to voting for them by their stance on late-term and after term abortions as well as an unrealistic approach to climate change.  I don't buy into the "MAN MADE" climate change doctrine that they are preaching.  I'm not denying climate changes because it has and always will but I don't believe in punishing man or specifically the United States blaming us for making up woes that are exacerbated to the point of absurdity with a chicken little approach.  

When you back every Republican talking point and chose to ignore the other Republicans to explain how I'm too liberal, you lost all credibility. I couldn't care less if you block me or any other liberal. You're too busy explaining/defending the Republican party to realize you've backed yourself into a corner. Blindly following Republican or Democrat policy is no good for America. Republicans have forgotten the art of the compromise. I'll continue to point that out in every single post that does so, from you or anyone else.

GBRK, I'll leave you with one final thought. The two biggest idiots on the forum support you. Let that sink in for a minute.

Cranston 

Republicans have forgotten the art of the compromise.
I'm not a Republican but I've got the Democrat compromise.
Open borders to anyone and as many willing to come in.
Abortions at anytime up to and past birth date.
Kill the US Constitution, start over to name a few.

 

It's easy to see liberals aren't looking for compromise,

you support Saul Alinsky or you're wrong.

 

Dr. John posted:
Jack Hammer posted:

I was just wondering how much a pre-born murder cost today.

Seems like a human life isn't worth the price of a condom. 

Pre-born? Okay, all of us here are pre-dead. Not all fetuses are born. Some die before birth, get it? 

I've had them commenting and basically saying the same thing for 2 days, now. It's hilarious. All you gotta do is tell them they're lying and they'll post the same lie.

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