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Hi to all my Forum Friends,

It seems that my agnostic Forum Friend, Chick, and a couple of her buddies have FOUND the truth about Bill Gray.  So, instead of watching them hide in their little corner, snickering and giggling,  "Oh, oh, did you hear this?  Bill Gray has admitted to being homosexual!  Bill Gray has admitted to coming out of the closet!  PM me so that I can share this exciting news I have discovered!" -- let's just bring that "exposing" post out of the closet and see what it really does say.

In the discussion I began on June 20, 2013, titled "Did Exodus International Cave To Societal Pressures?" I shared this to begin the discussion:

The Los Angeles Times, a SECULAR NEWSPAPER, and Liberals cheer the closing of a Christian ministry.   Was Exodus International right in closing that ministry -- or did it just cave to societal peer pressure?

Obviously there were opposing thoughts by Crusty, Dove, et al, -- and there an intelligent comment posted by Kate Colombo:

Bill, the gay community disagrees, but SOME theorists feel there are three types of gays.  Of course, the rationales could cross over so that some might have two traits, not just one.  To the point, one of the reasons is a genetic propensity in males to be gay.  That doesn't mean that anyone has to act on any propensity they may have, whether to have homosexual sex, steal, or be sarcastic.

 

And, I respond to Kate:


Not sure what you mean by "three types of gays" -- but, I do believe you are right that everyone is born with some degree of feeling, curiosity, desire to experiment, or whatever one will call it about homosexual desires.  I would probably lean toward curiosity and desire to experiment; but, I cannot speak for everyone.

I do not believe this occurs only in males.  I believe it is equally true in females; that desire to experiment.

And, that is why it is so important to have Traditional Marriage -- so that every boy and girl has the right role models in those young years.  Same-Sex Marriages cannot offer those types of role models.

True, many Traditional Marriages end up broken; but if they start out as Traditional Marriages -- they have, at least, a chance of success.  If they start out as Same-Sex Marriages -- they are broken from the beginning, with NO chance of ever being normal.  So, what chance does that give any child raised in such an environment?

That is one of the main reasons I am against Same-Sex Marriage.  I want to see the children at least have a shot at being normal.

What folks want to do in the privacy of their own homes is their business -- as long as they do not demand to have special laws written just to protect their aberrant lifestyles.   The laws we have now will protect all people, if enforced properly.  We do not need special "gay laws" to validate gay marriages.

Everyone has the same rights as you and I -- to marry anyone who is of the opposite sexual gender -- and will have us. If someone wants to go off and marry a person of the same sex, or to marry their pet dog, sheep, or whatever -- there should be no laws protecting that lifestyle which God calls an abomination and unnatural.

And, you are right -- that even if a person does have a same-sex desire, he/she does not have to act upon it.  That person could choose to follow Christ -- instead of their bodily/mental desires.  They could choose to follow Christ -- instead of the secular society.  They could choose to be a Christian believer -- but, not if they are going to continue living an "active homosexual or lesbian lifestyle."  Like all of us, they have to choose:  God or the world.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,  Bill

 

So, where is this GREAT ADMISSION spoken of with giggles and snickers by Chick, et al?

It is in the opening paragraph of my response to Kate:

Not sure what you mean by "three types of gays" -- but, I do believe you are right that everyone is born with some degree of feeling, curiosity, desire to experiment, or whatever one will call it about homosexual desires.  I would probably lean toward curiosity and desire to experiment; but, I cannot speak for everyone.

 

That, to Chick-a-dee was me declaring myself to be a homosexual.  What did I really mean when I said I lean toward curiosity and desire to experiment?  I meant that is what I believe causes many men and women to experiment with the homosexual lifestyle.

If you offer me two cars -- a red car and a green car -- and I tell you, "I lean toward the red car" -- does that mean that I am a red car?  Of course not; it merely means that I prefer the red car. 

 

And, by saying, "I would probably lean toward curiosity and desire to experiment; but, I cannot speak for everyone" -- I am, in fact, saying that, while not everyone will agree with me that curiosity and a desire to experiment is what leads some people into the gay lifestyle -- that is my belief.

But, of course, people with a preset, locked mind will believe, and hear, what they want -- not what is said or written.

How many times has Chick declared, "Bill Gray has condemned me to hell!"

And, no matter how many times I write in response -- that neither I, nor any other person can condemn another person to hell.  No matter how many times I tell her that not even God can condemn her to hell -- she will insist that, "Bill Gray has condemned me to hell!"

So, Chick, my Friend, let me assure you one more time:  I cannot condemn you to hell.  No one can condemn you to hell.  God cannot condemn you to hell.   YOU must do that yourself!

YOU must condemn yourself!   How do you condemn yourself to hell?  You do it by denying God, by denying Jesus Christ.  God gave you, me, and everyone the gift of "free will."    With that faculty of "free will" you get to choose -- no, you MUST choose if you want to follow Christ, or if you want to follow the world.

Follow Christ -- eternal life in the presence of God -- heaven.

Follow the world -- eternal life outside the presence of God -- hell.

Your choice, and YOUR choice ONLY.  NO ONE can make that choice for you.  You MUST make it.  And, by not making a choice -- the default choice is not good, it is really hell.

So, Chick, et al, I pray that we have cleared up your misunderstanding and relieved you of your problem with snickering and giggling.  But, most of all -- I pray that, in some small way, you may be encouraged to turn from the world and turn to follow Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. 

 

But, to do that -- you must put away all your bitterness and hatred.  For your sake, I pray you will do that.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

For reference: https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/t...9#330761585029499889

 

1 John 4-10 - 1

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Hi all,

 

As I stated in my original post above -- and these two Friends, Jan and Vic, have so brilliantly demonstrated in their current posts:

 

But, of course, people with a preset, locked mind will believe, and hear, what they want -- not what is said or written.

 

Isn't it amazing how some folks have such a closed mind -- that they cannot read (or will not admit to reading) what is so very obvious? 

 

It is that same kind of brainless, unthinking mindset which allowed Obama to be elected twice.   That sure does not bode well for America.

 

But, my Friends, Jan and Vic, thank you for at least attempting to pretend you do not understand. 

 

John 8:32, "And you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."

 

Bless your hearts!

 

Bill

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Hi Jan,

 

Personally, I agree with you.  But, since Chick, Dove, Crusty, and Vic keep harping on that one post I made in response to you back in June -- I figure that, rather than let them just sit in the back of the room, giggling and snickering like Kindergarten kiddies -- I may as well lay the whole post out for everyone to read.

 

Our snickering little Friends keep asking Chick, "Can you PM me that post?"  Well, now Chick does not have to PM it -- I have posted it on the open Forum for all to read.

 

Like you, I would just as soon move on to more productive discussions -- but, we cannot neglect our little kiddies in the back of the room. 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

<snicker>

 

I'll say again Bill. No one cares if you are homosexual or not. Its your own personal business. Why do you feel the need to go on and on about it? 

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I can imagine what kind of lies Billy told in his post & I could care less. What I do care about is, not just him, but anyone that claims to be a Christian & shows the hate, bitterness, & jealously he has constantly shown on this forum.

 

Jank, I'm not quite to the point that you are. I can't say beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's all a lie, & we came to be from this big bang. I also can't say beyond a shadow of a doubt that we came to be because a man picked up a piece of dirt & formed a man. There's still just enough of doubt in me that it might be true, & when I see/hear people like Bill, it sickens me to the core of my soul.

 

I don't care if Billy is a homosexual or not, but I do care that he preaches hate for those that are. Especially when he himself indicated that he has those same desires.

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi all,

 


But, of course, people with a preset, locked mind will believe, and hear, what they want -- not what is said or written.

 

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You plainly stated that you are gay curious.  That makes you bisexual, at least.  The way you go on and on about homosexuals, and other events that you describe, suggest that you are "fighting the good fight" against your homosexual desires.  According to you, that is what God wants for you, and you will get in heaven for not "living the homosexual lifestyle".  So what is the problem?

 

Or as Jank put it, no one cares.

Hi all,

 

If I say, "It is a beautiful, clear day!" -- a person with a dark soul will STILL see only dark clouds.  It is difficult to see God's clear white clouds -- when one is looking through eyes darkened by a lost spirit.

 

Enough said, I posted the original so that folks with normal intelligence and a level head can read what was written for themselves.  The rest of the dark cabal will just have to continue wandering through their dark world.

 

I suppose it is much like knowing we are Christian believers.  Regardless of what the dark cabal says, or twists -- we KNOW we are believers.  So let them wallow in the sewer if they so choose.  I will stay happy, content, and assured that my God is real -- and that I have HIs promise of eternal life with Him.  Hallelujah! and Praise God!

 

But, still, to all my Christian Friends, I ask that all of us continue to pray for our lost Friends in the Dark Cabal.  Who knows, maybe our prayers will result in at least one of them being saved.  If not, we are still the better for praying for them.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Hi Quail,

 

Most of us, when we were younguns, have found an ant nest, or ant colony -- took a stick and stirred it up just to see all the little ants running helter skelter.   Of course, as an adult, I would not do such a thing; but, as a youngun, it was fun.

 

Well, don't you just love it when we stir the nest here on the Religion Forum -- and watch all the little atheist ants running helter skelter -- each hoping he/she can find some new cutesy atheist comment to share?  

 

Of course, all the atheist arguments are like yesterday's bread -- old, stale, and useful only to feed to ants.

 

Bless their tiny little hearts!

 

Bill

 

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Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Now that it is dark, I will own my membership.  Can we make pirate hats and eye patches part of our uniform?

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Shhhhhh! It wouldn't be dark if we told everything...

And no posting of silly childish cartoons please....

Thank you to all who have come over to the dark side of the cabal....

...

 
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Maybe we can find a castle & all move there together, but a certain hand shake & password would be required to get in. Those that don't know it will be locked in the dungeon.......forever!!  

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Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

Good idea, I want to be in charge of heavy artillery.

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Ok. I now baptize you Captain Invictus.

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Maybe we can find a castle & all move there together, but a certain hand shake & password would be required to get in. Those that don't know it will be locked in the dungeon.......forever!!  

Good idea, I want to be in charge of heavy artillery.

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Good call, Vic.

 

Standing by to see who’s going to be your Queen.

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

Viccus you are already inserted into a cabal called the Knights of Columbus which hates Blacks Jews and protestants and further can be instructed to kill those at a command from the Catholic church.

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Looks like billie has taught you well the lying game, quail

What makes you believe you are so right in all you say and do in your so called

religion? You come along 1700 years after the creation of the Christian faith

only to steal the few points of what Jesus wanted in his Church.

That didn't include you or the thefts that also stole the Christian name, and then

for a few hundred years you bas tar dize the intentions of Christ with 30,000

different variations your kind can't agree on yet and the splintering will never

stop. Do you think the thousands of different Bible interpretations and

explanations really shows you the truth?

Can you show me in the Bible where Jesus created more than one Church?

Can you show me where it's alright to talk to me anyway you want and not

expect a reply? You and the liars you bed down with may be what the

majority of what protestants think, but I'm glad to know some that don't

share your prejudice theology.

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
 
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Maybe we can find a castle & all move there together, but a certain hand shake & password would be required to get in. Those that don't know it will be locked in the dungeon.......forever!!  

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Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

Good idea, I want to be in charge of heavy artillery.

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Ok. I now baptize you Captain Invictus.

 

 

Perhaps "christen" or "dub?"

Like I said cry baby, you feel the right to say anything you want to cover

who you really are and expect me or anyone else to not respond. 

Your hatred of the Catholic Church is the same of many and has nothing

to do with me. I don't consider you a Christian anymore than I do billie or

some of you others. I could tell you things about the CoC annex, but that

would just throw more unwanted gas on the fire. I can wait.

If you don't like my last couple of responds tell where I'm wrong.

quote:  Originally Posted by Quaildog:

Invic, I don't even consider you a Catholic.  I know many of that faith and non-of-them resemble the Satan you appear to be.  You hate everybody and are the mirror image of what you accuse Bill of being.  You are a terrible offering for the Catholic church.  May God have mercy on the souls around you.

Hi Quail,

 

Except for the Satan part, I have to agree with much of what you have written.   Satan, as evil as he is -- was a very intelligent archangel at one time.   He is far too intelligent to have you accuse Vic of being him.

 

Like you, I know many Roman Catholics, and have some in my own family, who are very sincere (although wrong) in their beliefs.  They would NEVER sink to the level of such comments as Vic uses in his dialogues with those of us who disagree with him.  Matter of fact, I am sure that most, of not all, of them would be very embarrassed for the Roman Catholic church if they read most of what Vic posts in his comments.

 

There is no reason all of us cannot have civil discussions without name calling.  We can agree, or agree to disagree, without fighting, name calling, and worse. 

 

If Vic is a Christian believer, I would remind him that we are called to discuss the Bible among ourselves, and with non-believers.  There is no problem with even disagreeing on some issues which do not affect our salvation -- but, we should NEVER allow our disagreements to divide Christian believers.  Christ calls for UNITY in His church, His body of believers -- not disunity and name calling. 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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