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Bill seems so worried about our salvation in here snd many think he is going to hell. I say lets all do Bill the same concerned favor he tries to do for us in here! Lets think of Bills salvation. If everyone in here could contact their favorite Prostilizing groop and have them call Bill and visit him at his house in California , maybe we could get him saved. The Jahovas witness, the Mormons, and all the other religions that go door knocking. Tell them he may be hard to deal with but he would make a great . add religion here.
Im sure we can find the address and phone number on the net and on his facebook page. Lets save Bill folks!
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
How about you concentrate on getting spell check. We all know if Bill lives what he preaches he's going to hell.

Hi Dade,

Dwight cannot get a Spell Check program! He has to be able to spell "SPELL CHECK" to Google it -- and he can't! Not in his Mormon Evangelism training.

Second thought -- going to hell. Care to elaborate?

By the way, I hope you don't mind. I captured a neat button from your Blog -- Illegal Not A Race. That will be useful in sharing with my Friend, Deep.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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If everyone in here could contact their favorite Prostilizing groop and have them call Bill and visit him at his house in California , maybe we could get him saved.


I have an idea!...
Why don't we all get so wrapped up in Bill...that we begin to feel he is a threat to our convictions!
Then, we can all try to bolster our beliefs...by doing the same thing we spite Bill for!

Oh Happy Day!....Oh Happy Day!
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
Going to hell, well lets see,.... Do you think Christ would belittle people like you do? Go back and read your replies. They aren't very Christ like. I'm not casting stones, just stating the obvious. Glad you liked the button.

Hi Dade,

Please tell us what, in your opinion, it takes for a person to become a Christian believer and be saved.

Then, if you do not not mind -- show us where you find this in the Bible.

Thank you and God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Please tell us what, in your opinion, it takes for a person to become a Christian believer and be saved.
Then, if you do not not mind -- show us where you find this in the Bible.
Bill


Bill, you fall very short of the biblical truth of what it is to be a Christian. The word “Christian” is used three times in the New Testament (Acts 11:26; 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16). Followers of Jesus Christ were first called “Christians” in Antioch (Acts 11:26) because their behavior, activity, and speech were like Christ.

You’re “religious” & seem to have high moral values but you are not a true follower of Jesus Christ. I believe that a true Christian has love for others (no matter who they are/or what they believe) & obedience to God’s Word. You may be obedient in the sense that you have no shyness in professing that you believe in God but you fall very short in other much more important areas.

Some people believe that a Christian suffers for the sake of Christ. If you believe that, I think you probably see part of your “suffering” as the ridicule you receive here. That couldn’t be further from the truth. The ridicule you receive here is because of your nasty attitude. You have no love in your heart. You judge everyone here, call names, & put people down.
Most here, & most assuredly me, do not see you as a Christian at all, far from it. I do not mean to imply that a Christian should be perfect, but you are far from being what God meant a Christian to be.

A Christian should be a follower of Christ, a spiritual brother/sister to others, who strives to be like Jesus, regardless of denominational background or creedal preference.

Just because a person professes belief in Jesus doesn’t make him/her a Christian.
Only God can read the heart, but we can know much by a persons words/actions if their heart is pure or not.

I don't know why I even try discussing this with you. It's foolish on my part because your mind is closed to anything beyond what you believe, which is very sad.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Please tell us what, in your opinion, it takes for a person to become a Christian believer and be saved.
Then, if you do not not mind -- show us where you find this in the Bible.
Bill


Bill, you fall very short of the biblical truth of what it is to be a Christian. The word “Christian” is used three times in the New Testament (Acts 11:26; 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16). Followers of Jesus Christ were first called “Christians” in Antioch (Acts 11:26) because their behavior, activity, and speech were like Christ.

You’re “religious” & seem to have high moral values but you are not a true follower of Jesus Christ. I believe that a true Christian has love for others (no matter who they are/or what they believe) & obedience to God’s Word. You may be obedient in the sense that you have no shyness in professing that you believe in God but you fall very short in other much more important areas.

Some people believe that a Christian suffers for the sake of Christ. If you believe that, I think you probably see part of your “suffering” as the ridicule you receive here. That couldn’t be further from the truth. The ridicule you receive here is because of your nasty attitude. You have no love in your heart. You judge everyone here, call names, & put people down.
Most here, & most assuredly me, do not see you as a Christian at all, far from it. I do not mean to imply that a Christian should be perfect, but you are far from being what God meant a Christian to be.

A Christian should be a follower of Christ, a spiritual brother/sister to others, who strives to be like Jesus, regardless of denominational background or creedal preference.

Just because a person professes belief in Jesus doesn’t make him/her a Christian.
Only God can read the heart, but we can know much by a persons words/actions if their heart is pure or not.

I don't know why I even try discussing this with you. It's foolish on my part because your mind is closed to anything beyond what you believe, which is very sad.

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See semi, you have a better understanding than Bill, your more religious
than atheist. Get Bill in a Methodist church and he might come around.


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it certainly isn't to belittle and be critical to everyone....I have never seen anyone as critical as you are, Bill Gray. Do you think that is Christian??????

Hi Killen Lady,

Don't tell us what it isn't -- tell us what it is -- what it takes for a person to become a Christian believer and be saved.

Then, if you do not not mind -- show us where you find this in the Bible.

Thank you and God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Hi Dade,
Please tell us what, in your opinion, it takes for a person to become a Christian believer and be saved.
Then, if you do not not mind -- show us where you find this in the Bible.
Bill


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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Killen Lady,
Don't tell us what it isn't -- tell us what it is -- what it takes for a person to become a Christian believer and be saved.
Then, if you do not not mind -- show us where you find this in the Bible.
Bill


Poor Bill, he needs prayer. He's repeating himself. He doesn't usually do this in one topic.
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In my experience it's the most Christian of all behaviors.


well, i'm sad to say, your experience must be quite limited.


On the contrary, Sweetheart. I've been around the block many times.

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opie one kdopey....Shes talking about heterosexual.

Not the block you've been around.

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Hi Chick,

You tell me, "Bill, you fall very short of the biblical truth of what it is to be a Christian. The word “Christian” is used three times in the New Testament (Acts 11:26; 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16). Followers of Jesus Christ were first called “Christians” in Antioch (Acts 11:26) because their behavior, activity, and speech were like Christ."

Congratulations, Chick, you have done your homework -- but, you stopped a wee bit short. The believers in Antioch were not called Christians because they were being good followers of Christ. The name "Christian" was given to them as a derogatory slam. Yet, realizing that it means 'little Christ" or as we now like to define it it -- "Christ Followers" -- it was made into a cherished name.

But, yes, a Christian is identified by his/her character, his/her fruit of salvation -- one of which is to share the Gospel with the world as Jesus Christ instructed us. Another is to refute false teachings and false teachers -- as a shield for new believers and new seekers -- to stop the false teachers from luring them back into world religions and false religions. If, for doing this, YOU paint me black -- all I can say is, "Praise the Lord!"

Then, you tell me, "You’re “religious” & seem to have high moral values, but you are not a true follower of Jesus Christ. I believe that a true Christian has love for others (no matter who they are/or what they believe) & obedience to God’s Word. You may be obedient in the sense that you have no shyness in professing that you believe in God, but you fall very short in other much more important areas."

Chick, if you saw a person wearing a blindfold walking toward a cliff -- would you warn him/her? Would that make you a bad person for warning this person?

If you saw your child taking drugs which you know will harm the child -- would you make an effort to stop it?

Enough said.

Next, you tell me, "Some people believe that a Christian suffers for the sake of Christ. If you believe that, I think you probably see part of your “suffering” as the ridicule you receive here. That couldn’t be further from the truth. The ridicule you receive here is because of your nasty attitude. You have no love in your heart. You judge everyone here, call names, & put people down. Most here, & most assuredly me, do not see you as a Christian at all, far from it. I do not mean to imply that a Christian should be perfect, but you are far from being what God meant a Christian to be."

Yes, Christian believers know that we will be ridiculed if we walk into an atheist lair. I knew that, four years ago, when I came on the TimesDaily Forums to refute Deep, Fish, and many other non-believers who took up residence in what has become the Religion Forum.

Now, ask yourself -- if I had no love for those you and other non-believers are trying desperately to lead astray -- would I expose myself to your constant barrage of trivial insults?

You say, "You judge everyone here, call names, & put people down."

No, I do not judge anyone -- I expose false teachers and false teaching. I make sure that our readers see the truth in false religions and cult religions. Do I call names? Well, if you mean that I call a person who teaches a New Age religion -- a New Ager. Or, if you mean that I call Dwight a Mormon. If you mean that I call Deep, Fish, et al -- atheists. You are right! However, I am only using the label they themselves have offered.

It is not my intention to put anyone down. However, it is my most fervent effort -- to expose false teachings and false teachers.

You tell me, "A Christian should be a follower of Christ, a spiritual brother/sister to others, who strives to be like Jesus, regardless of denominational background or creedal preference."

First, a Christian believer CANNOT be a spiritual brother/sister to a non-believer. A person who is spiritual CANNOT be a spiritual brother/sister to a person who is not spiritual.

Are we supposed to pretend that false religions and cult religions are okay -- and join hands with them in worship? In no way! That is what many churches and people who push full Ecumenism, i.e., that all people, regardless of what they believe or what they worship -- should come together and each one worship his/her own god or gods, together. No, my Friend, that is NOT what the God of the Bible teaches.

Yes, we should be ecumenical in our relationship with other Christian denominations. In other words, Baptist believers, Methodist believers, and other denominational or non-denominational believers who believe and teach true Christian Biblical Beliefs -- including those in the Roman Catholic church who are true believers -- should be able to come together and to worship together.

But, to have Christians worship with Buddhist, Muslims, etc. -- is not Biblical and will do harm to the body of Christ.

Next, you say, "Just because a person professes belief in Jesus doesn’t make him/her a Christian. Only God can read the heart, but we can know much by a persons words/actions if their heart is pure or not."

How many times have you seen me write those same words? Yes, many folks wear a Christian hat on Sundays -- and carry the devil's pitchfork the rest of the week.

And, like you, I have written that no one can know for sure if a person is a believer -- except that person and God. However, the fruit of that person's life is a good indicator of his/her spiritual status.

Finally, you tell me, "I don't know why I even try discussing this with you. It's foolish on my part because your mind is closed to anything beyond what you believe, which is very sad."

Personally, I am happy you are trying to discuss these issue with me. Where there is discussion -- there is always hope.

However, if you get upset because I will not agree with your agnostic, often almost atheistic, rhetoric -- then, so be it. Yet, even then, it is very likely that our dialogues will be helpful to some who are seeking to believe. So, let's keep our dialogues going.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Too long; didn't read. But, what I have tried to read of alot of your posts, you are going about spreading the Word in the wrong way sir. I don't doubt your Christianity sir, but you make the same mistakes I make with political arguments and get too damm mad. You'd make your point better if you tone it down with alot of the smart ass comments. I believe Jesus had a sense of humor, but I know he wouldn't have been an ass to those he was trying to reach. Plus, you're wasting your time with alot of these people. You criticize other Christians who go to a different church too much as well. Plus, who would want to share heaven with a piece of sh!t like Dopie?
Bill, I haven’t done any homework at all. Just telling you what I know is in the Bible.
I didn’t stop a wee bit short of anything. I made my point….it was made into a cherished name.

It’s one thing to share the gospel, it’s another to shove it down someone’s throat. You can easily run people off with your type of sharing. I don’t paint you black, Bill, you do that all by yourself.

If I saw a person wearing a blindfold walking toward a cliff, I might warn him once. If I saw him/her doing it a second time, I figure he/she knows the cliff is there.
If I saw my child taking drugs, of course, I would make an effort to stop it. If my child wasn’t listening to me, too much effort could easily run him/her off. All I could do is keep loving that child. If I were a Christian & believed in prayer, my prayers & faith in God would be all I needed to save that child. Enough said.

You seem to have a hang-up about Atheist. They have chosen their way of life, & the way they believe. These are adults that don’t need you to refute them. They chose their Atheism for a reason, just as you chose Christianity. They have as much a right in this forum as you do to refute what you & other Christians believe.
Those constant barrage of trivial insults you speak of is exactly what you are doing, it’s not just the non-believers you speak of that do this.

And what right do you have to continually judge us? A Christian doesn’t continually Cast Their Pearls Before a Swine. (I’m not calling anyone here a Swine, I’m trying to make a point)
Who told you I was a non-believer? I have confessed to being confused but I have never said that I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that God doesn’t exist.

Yes, you do judge, put others down, & call names. Those silly little cartoons you send, they speak volumes. Dwight is an adult, a Mormon, & that’s his choice. Telling him your belief of the Mormons one time is enough. Your constant put down of him is very sad. Your constant telling our readers the truth in false religions & cult religions, as you see it, is nothing short of making you look like a fool. How do you know they don't think of you as a false teacher?

I didn’t say a Christian can be a spiritual brother/sister to a non-believer. But a Christian can be a light to a non-believer. The way you treat your spiritual brother/sisters is a turn off to a non-believer. You judge other Christians just as harshly as you do a non-believer.
Just because they may not believe the way you do, or belong to a certain church, doesn’t make them any less a Christian.

No, we aren’t supposed to pretend that false religions & cult religions are okay, but that’s God’s place to judge, not yours. You can speak your opinion of them but to constantly go on about it shows you don’t have faith in God to handle it.

I see you as one of those that wear’s a Christian hat, & you carry the devil's pitchfork on this forum. You are one of those that turn people away from “religion”. Your “fruit” isn’t a good indicator of your spiritual status.

Your saying I’m agnostic, often almost atheistic, shows just exactly how much you listen to what I write. I have said many times that I’m confused. I’ve said many times that some of the things the Atheist say has made me question some things. I have never said I’m an Atheist.
According to your Once Saved, Always Saved theory, I’m just as saved as you are.
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How do you know they don't think of you as a false teacher?


AHA!! Semi, you nailed it. When we tell other CHristians they are wrong, we risk being looked upon as a "false teacher".
For me, anyone who denounces Jesus' Presence in the Eucharist is a false teacher.
I'm sure that it applies conversely. In fact, I know it to be true. I have been on the rack and called a cannibal and a liar. I am the person your mom warned you about. (haha!)
The bottom line here, is that NOBODY can judge another's faith. That is known to God alone.
We are all just working out our existence the best we can. I pray for faith all the time- for a deeper conversion.
All this tearing eachother down, this insulting and arguing does NOTHING to build up the Body of Christ.
Semi, I encourage you to let your anger go. I let it go a while ago. I no longer read the posts filled with insults, nor do I engage in the pi@@ing contests in the name of Jesus. I know what is in my heart, and the rage and anger of the people on here who seek to split us (a collective us) apart and fight about Gods Word are NOT acting in His Name. It's one thing to discuss and debate- but the insults? No. Not called for. ever.....
Jesus would never belittle or insult anyone.
A Christian is supposed to strive to be Christ like.
So, when you see this behavior, just shrug it off. It doesn't come from God.
Smiler veep.
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How do you know they don't think of you as a false teacher?


AHA!! Semi, you nailed it. When we tell other CHristians they are wrong, we risk being looked upon as a "false teacher".
For me, anyone who denounces Jesus' Presence in the Eucharist is a false teacher.
I'm sure that it applies conversely. In fact, I know it to be true. I have been on the rack and called a cannibal and a liar. I am the person your mom warned you about. (haha!)
The bottom line here, is that NOBODY can judge another's faith. That is known to God alone.
We are all just working out our existence the best we can. I pray for faith all the time- for a deeper conversion.
All this tearing eachother down, this insulting and arguing does NOTHING to build up the Body of Christ.
Semi, I encourage you to let your anger go. I let it go a while ago. I no longer read the posts filled with insults, nor do I engage in the pi@@ing contests in the name of Jesus. I know what is in my heart, and the rage and anger of the people on here who seek to split us (a collective us) apart and fight about Gods Word are NOT acting in His Name. It's one thing to discuss and debate- but the insults? No. Not called for. ever.....
Jesus would never belittle or insult anyone.
A Christian is supposed to strive to be Christ like.
So, when you see this behavior, just shrug it off. It doesn't come from God.
Smiler veep.

Vpl33123 I hate to say it but you are wrong. We do have a right to judge other faiths, just as Jesus judged the Pharisees in His day. He called the Jewish leaders sons of the devil, because as Jesus saw it and taught against them they were teaching a false doctrine to the Jewish people. The Catholic church has misled billions, but is it totally the church's fault? Nope, not in the 21 century, because eveyone has now or does have access to the Word of God and all you have to do is read Matthew and see what Jesus taught. I can promise you there are very few churches today that are teaching like Jesus. People who listen to Joel Osteen and other liberal churches are under a curse, its their own curse because they have chosen to ignore the warning signs, even better most have chosen not to even pick up a bible and read it. So yes, we do have a right to judge because Jesus warns us there will many false prophets in the last days. If you so chose not to read God's word then that is your choosing and your curse!
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Vpl33123 I hate to say it but you are wrong. We do have a right to judge other faiths, just as Jesus judged the Pharisees in His day. He called the Jewish leaders sons of the devil, because as Jesus saw it and taught against them they were teaching a false doctrine to the Jewish people. The Catholic church has misled billions, but is it totally the church's fault? Nope, not in the 21 century, because eveyone has now or does have access to the Word of God and all you have to do is read Matthew and see what Jesus taught. I can promise you there are very few churches today that are teaching like Jesus. People who listen to Joel Osteen and other liberal churches are under a curse, its their own curse because they have chosen to ignore the warning signs, even better most have chosen not to even pick up a bible and read it. So yes, we do have a right to judge because Jesus warns us there will many false prophets in the last days. If you so chose not to read God's word then that is your choosing and your curse!


I don't think V was saying we shouldn't judge other Faiths. She was replying to me about my post to Bill Gray, if you care to read it.
I was speaking about Bill & his constant nasty way of judging people on this forum & his rude comments.

In Matthew 7:6 Jesus was saying to not persist in offering what is sacred to those who have no appreciation for it, because your gift will not only become contaminated & despised, those generous efforts could also be rebuffed & openly attacked. That is exactly what has happened to Bill here. Most of us wouldn't believe his words if they were typed in gold.

Bill could give his opinion one time & let it go. He chooses instead to constantly belittle & judge.

When you mentioned the Catholic church, did you know V is Catholic? Can you imagine how hurtful what you said could possibly be to her?

I believe that V is a lady with a true, loving Christian heart.
What in the world would possess you to think she doesn't read God's word?

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