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vick13, if I am not mis-taken, I know he used to manage Bradford in or around Huntsville, by the name of Reggie Watkins, a very good friend of mine who will do his best to help see to it if someone is on drugs and need help, he would do his best to see that they get the help they need. I know at one time he was down on his luck, but now he is a help to those who are down on the


Blue, is he black? I think I remember him.
About 7 years ago I was traveling in Chattanooga, TN. and listening to the radio. There was a homeless man talking on the radio. He was a guest on the show. As he began telling his story he began calling all the listeners and or taxpayer idiots. He said that he was the boss and we were the stupid idiots that worked for him. We payed the taxes that supported him. He said he had drawn welfare checks in Atlanta,Chattanooga, Memphis and other cities around the USA. He said it was so easy to cheat the flawed system that he did not have to work. He rambled on for about an hour.

You have to be careful. A lot of these people are just lazy con artists. Half of the ones that claim to be vets are not.


Some times when I'm in a good mood I will by them a beer and a pack of cigarettes. Sometimes I even offer them a joint. Out of the 6 or 7 times I have done it, not one has ever turned down my offer. They accept it with a thank you.
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
bluesman * Thank you for the email. I admire what you have done to help these people. I agree that you would think that at least one church in this area would be open & have someone there to help people like this.


To the "church being open to help" -- if they are like several churches in the area (including the big churches) -- they donate a small amount of money every month to the Help Center and teh Salvation Army so that those places will handle these situations and they can just refer the individuals. A lot of churches have a "Benevolent Fund/Committe" that will help individuals that come to the churches in need of money for utility bills etc...Many churches have "referred out" because of the Con Artists -- there is more documentation and necessary proof needed through these other agencies.

But with as much as Loaves and fishes claims to donate to the community with their "Thrift Stores" (which costs money after I've donated my goods) you'd think they would have some sort of shelter up and running by now...

But maybe that will explain some of the "why" ....on the churches not being open...
lol vick! I am curious as to why churches in this area don't do more. With all the expanding churches, churches with gyms, etc...it would be refreshing to see a church be willing to take someone in and help them. It's not as easy as a free night and free meal here and there--you have to have a job and money to be able to rent, have utilities, etc...
bamagurl, maybe they have. We can't know everything that every church is doing and they don't advertise their good deeds...that would be wrong in itself, wrong motives. Oh, there's a verse, can't remember so this is definitely a paraphrase - "do your good deeds in private not in public to show off".

I have to ask...what is that thing in your avatar? Call me crazy, but it looks like a fetus in red chains.
Okay, so I fouled that up Big Grin . I looked it up and here is the actual verses:

Matthew 6:2-4
"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
There are Churches in large cities that has OPEN DOORS 24/7 ... we don't even have ONE that is open to the needy except during their operational hours...

I truly think that some people just need a helping hand... give them a job, let them sleep in a Church until they can save enough from said job to get a trailor or apt. ... helping hands... we need them right here in this area just as much as the Large cities do.
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Originally posted by bluesman *:
Did the man go hungry, nope we asked him if he needed something to eat, and he said no. We did find him a place to stay, not the best place in the world. Had it been cold would he had been taken to a motel room, someway I would have found and seen to it. This is the third time I have seen this here, once a couple living in a van had a child who was in the hospital who was almost dying, and yes and I d*mn sure don't want that-a-boy blues, but for seven days they had a place to stay. Later another couple who were down on luck, had nothing but a tent to live in, and yes they were took care of to. Another man was going through a dumpster looking for something to eat, and it was my lunch time, but my lunch was not as important, his was, he he was fed.


Blues, you sound like a good man and someone I would be proud to know.


Amen, and I second that!!!
Joy...I wasn't talking about a church advertising open doors-that would be asking for cons. And I am not criticizing churches-only an observation and a question. I realize we have a salvation army but as KS said...most cities have churches that stay open 24/7 and offer free meals 3x a day. Before anyone jumps on the bandwagon---not steaks! Soup and bread.

*going to find new avatar since mine looks like a fetus in red chanins...lol*
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Originally posted by bamagurl:
Joy...I wasn't talking about a church advertising open doors-that would be asking for cons. And I am not criticizing churches-only an observation and a question. I realize we have a salvation army but as KS said...most cities have churches that stay open 24/7 and offer free meals 3x a day. Before anyone jumps on the bandwagon---not steaks! Soup and bread.

*going to find new avatar since mine looks like a fetus in red chanins...lol*




LOL @ Avatar!!!! What IS on that Avatar anyway, I KNOW it ain't a fetus!!!
OK, to answer Bamagurl's question ... Sherrod Ave Church of Christ offers a Soup Kitchn -- I can't remember when, but they advertise it on their sign every week.

Edgemont and Highlad also advertise about a weekly meal but I think there is a charge for it -- it is part of their weekly Bible Study on Wednesdays.

Every few months, Highland Baptist has a "Block Party" where you bring unused and/or unwanted clothing and other items and they put it out for the community to come in and take freely. They donate the rest.

Many churches do for the community several times a year, but it is not a 24/7 access kind of thing.

I will ask again -- Loaves and Fishes takes all these donations and then has stringent (and I mean--show paystubs, letters of reference etc) qualifications before they will even let you get FOOD/GROCERIES for free. Yet, they have the thrift stores open and charge for everything they sell. I gave them about $400 of clothes one year and wrote it off on my taxes -- I found one of my dresses in the thrift store for $10--how is that right? It is basically a yard sale with donated items. They say they put the money into the ministry, but yet, we still have families that can't pay their bills, can't put food on their table and still can't get help from this "charity". They pay their members to work there--why can't they pay that homeless guy to work there? I had a former client that had 2 kids go there to get food -- she was turned away and told to bring back a paystub to show she didn't make enough money and her utility bill to justify her need. If it was a "repeat offender" that came in constantly wanting MONEY or clothes I could understand, but a first timer--no. She came back to my office (I had referred her there) in tears -- humiliated. She never went back...I never referred anyone there again. My point is, with the money they have made off the thrift stores -- (4 or 5 now I think) -- you would think they could at least offer a soup kitchen once or twice a week for the homeless.

Sorry, L & F just burnt my opinion of them with that case...

Maybe that helps though...

Churches also have a liability -- that is part of why there is not an "open door 24/7". Not only would people steal things from the church, but if someone were to sleep there or hang out there and get hurt -- it would leave the church open to be sued.
Thanks DC. I wasn't aware of those services offered by those churches. Not that I have honestly looked for them. But it is always good information thing to have.

Thanks for the info about L&F also. That is pretty pathetic. And I will not go back there and tell others as well. Do they have to account for their money to anyone?

And yes, that was a peace sign but since it also resembled a fetus in chains--figured I should switch...lol
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Originally posted by Peace Brother:

This is a heartless statement. Many homeless people are either mentally ill, veterans trying to deal with PTSD they got fighting a war serving their country, or just poor souls that are down on their luck. If you don't have sympathy for these people, I feel sorry for YOU.


And most of them are homeless because that's the way they choose to live. If they aren't willing to help themselves then I can't devote any of my limited supply of sympathy to them.

My sympathy is reserved for kids and old folks.

Heartless, perhaps, but human debris is just that.
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
You have completely shattered any small inkling that anyone may have had that you were a decent human being. You have proven yourself to be a selfish, coldhearted, jerk.


Great. I'm sure you can share with us an accounting of how many homeless people you have helped during the past month.

Please tell us your story.
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Originally posted by vick13:
Somebody tell me how to edit this thing.


Quick lesson for Vickster:
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If you want an avatar, you're gonna have to go back to where we discussed that on another thread.

And, back on editing - sometimes it will show you have edited your post, sometimes it won't. I'm not sure what the trigger is on that. We'd prefer if you don't edit your posts. We all like to see each other screw up! Smiler I edited this post to get the picture of the "edit post" button to show up.
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bamagurl, I wish I could say I'm sorry you changed it, but I was beginning to get the creeps. Smiler The new avatar is really cool though.

I don't know how other churches do it, but my church goes on a case by case basis. We're not just downright foolish about it. If someone is repeatedly asking for money, we may have to get in their business and see if together we can figure out what the problem is & remedy it. Otherwise, I can't imagine them turning someone away. This past week, a single mom needed help moving. So the pastor, my hubby, my son and few others moved her stuff for her. I know our church sends money to the Help Center (great organization) every month. The Help Center could use volunteers and a new building facility if anyone feels led to do so.

There is also Safeplace - they're awesome. Here's their site:

http://www.nwalsafeplace.org/modules/wfchannel/
I have not been keeping up with this subject too well. I've just been reading here and there. Bluesman mentioned earlier about these churches should pitch in $50.00 to help a teenage runaway or whoever.

I may offend some of you on this question. Why is it all these churches keep trying to get people to help people around the world instead of trying to take care of the people in their own states and towns that live here WITH US not the ones on the other side?

I'm not saying we should not help them at all and we just need to be trying to be more fair with everybody if we can. I don't know how to explain the words how I feel. It's like this , I see MORE commercials and paid advertisements asking for money for the foreign family and children than here in America.
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Originally posted by Hound Dog Blues:
I have not been keeping up with this subject too well. I've just been reading here and there. Bluesman mentioned earlier about these churches should pitch in $50.00 to help a teenage runaway or whoever.

I may offend some of you on this question. Why is it all these churches keep trying to get people to help people around the world instead of trying to take care of the people in their own states and towns that live here WITH US not the ones on the other side?

I'm not saying we should not help them at all and we just need to be trying to be more fair with everybody if we can. I don't know how to explain the words how I feel. It's like this , I see MORE commercials and paid advertisements asking for money for the foreign family and children than here in America.


i wholeheartedly agree...i really think we should get the "stick" out of our own eye (the U.S.) rather than try to save other countries. there are so many children and elderly who don't have enough food and proper shelter right here in alabama. some of our elders are having to decide whether to buy life-sustaining medication or FOOD ! and..the children who do have the basics of life...are humiliated to go to school in old clothes...beat up shoes...as for the L & F business...i'm not really sure what their policy is regarding financial benevolence. they're pretty much salvation army copycats, in my opinion. if i have clothing or shoes in good condition that i'm needing to discard, i usually ask around my circle of friends or at work to see who could wear that size or type clothing and could really use it. also, nursing homes very often have residents who have no money left over after medicaid pays for their room, board and nursing care. usually, they have around 30 dollars left out of their check per month to buy toiletries, clothing and such. the worst cases have no family who cares or who can afford to buy for them. you can call the social services director at any long-term care facility to see if they have a need.
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Originally posted by Hound Dog Blues:
I have not been keeping up with this subject too well. I've just been reading here and there. Bluesman mentioned earlier about these churches should pitch in $50.00 to help a teenage runaway or whoever.

I may offend some of you on this question. Why is it all these churches keep trying to get people to help people around the world instead of trying to take care of the people in their own states and towns that live here WITH US not the ones on the other side?

I'm not saying we should not help them at all and we just need to be trying to be more fair with everybody if we can. I don't know how to explain the words how I feel. It's like this , I see MORE commercials and paid advertisements asking for money for the foreign family and children than here in America.


i wholeheartedly agree...i really think we should get the "stick" out of our own eye (the U.S.) rather than try to save other countries. there are so many children and elderly who don't have enough food and proper shelter right here in alabama. some of our elders are having to decide whether to buy life-sustaining medication or FOOD ! and..the children who do have the basics of life...are humiliated to go to school in old clothes...beat up shoes...as for the L & F business...i'm not really sure what their policy is regarding financial benevolence. they're pretty much salvation army copycats, in my opinion. if i have clothing or shoes in good condition that i'm needing to discard, i usually ask around my circle of friends or at work to see who could wear that size or type clothing and could really use it. also, nursing homes very often have residents who have no money left over after medicaid pays for their room, board and nursing care. usually, they have around 30 dollars left out of their check per month to buy toiletries, clothing and such. the worst cases have no family who cares or who can afford to buy for them. you can call the social services director at any long-term care facility to see if they have a need.


This has been a long time problem with our USA... we got our noses in everybody else's business... and we aren't taking care of our OWN!

Sure would be nice if more American's benefited from all those tax dollars we pay.
I am the director of my Church's fund to help the needy of our area. It is my responsibility to check out every request for help. This is a very heavy responsibility, as the money is not mine, but is freely donated by our members (about 130), and belongs to God. Any time I'm in doubt, I always err on the side of helping, but usually after investigating, I find that 7 out 10 are fraudulent. While it is very rare that I deny anyone food and shelter at the first contact, Usually I will find they are not as bad off as they claim, or worse yet, make their living off of variuos charities. There are many people in this area, who go from church to church collecting as much as they can. There are so many churches, they can usually go for an entire year before having to hit the same place twice. All that being said, it is our responsibility to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and shelter the homeless, but it is also our repsonsibility to be good stewards of God's money. The SA does so much good, it is hard to criticize them, especially after dealing with so many con artist myself.
You don't have to choose between helping people in the US and helping people in other countries. I see that come up alot, like you have to choose. You don't. We can do both.

I have visited/helped missionaries & the people they minister to in Ukraine, Honduras, Guatemala and Mexico. They do not "live well" by our standards. You can't look at people starving and live well. You get by and give your excess to the needy. I'm not offended, just telling you.

We don't know what poverty and hopelessness and suffering are in this country. But the people in those countries are very well aquainted with all three. If you ever get the chance to go, take it. You'll never feel the same about this subject. Our poor people in this country are rich compared to people in other countries. These people are flesh and blood and no less deserving of compassion than your next door neighbor.

JMHO
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We don't know what poverty and hopelessness and suffering are in this country. But the people in those countries are very well aquainted with all three. If you ever get the chance to go, take it. You'll never feel the same about this subject. Our poor people in this country are rich compared to people in other countries. These people are flesh and blood and no less deserving of compassion than your next door neighbor.


Agreed completely.
The problem bluesman, is there are so many people out there criticizing the ones who are acutally trying to help. It's easy to find one homeless person, and say "the churches should be doing something about this, but its another thing all together to be the one who deals with it day in and day out. As an indidual, I have helped countless people "down on their luck", but when I took over trying to help on a larger scale, I found things were not as simple as I thought. I'm not criticizing you, because you have a good heart, and you obviously want to do the right thing. I was just like you at one time, and that is how I became the director of my church's mission. It is very rewarding (you wouldn't believe how many people who have hugged me crying because they had no where else to go), but there is a very heavy responsibility. It's a respsonsibility of doing more that driving by the SA and questioning their methods. It is also more of a responsibility than giving a hand out, or buying dinner for a homeless person (although these are wonderful things to do). If you really think there's a problem, then do someting about it. I think you will have a better understanding just like me.
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Originally posted by bluesman *:
sal, will there is something wrong here, I have drove by the SA around Christmas time, and some of the vehicles parked in front of it was not no 70's and 80's models, more like the new models, when the give aways are given. I am talking about the ones who really needs help late at night. A few years back on one cold January night a man was found homeless, and he was in need, the SA was called, and they would not take him in and he was no fake homeless person, I seen the tears in his eyes. Where were the churches at then, oh, but everybody whats to help other around Christmas time, but what about all the other times.
What Bluesman has described is very sad. This man needed help, but I don't pretend to know exactly what kind he needed. As Monica said earlier, it is a little more dangerous for a woman to act in these circumstances than a man.

Two case histories:

1 - While I was working in Huntsville Hospital, I had a pt. who had been seriously injured in a construction accident. He was about to be released and could not take care of himself. Before the accident, he had been working at a relatively high paying job, but living under a bridge. He could have gone to his brother's, but wouldn't because his brother would not let him drink in his home. The hospital social worker was trying to find a shelter to take him in. I casusally asked the pt. if he had tried sobrieity, to which he replied h*** no, he didn't want to.

2 - A friend of mine was divorced by her second husband. I never asked her the circumstance of her divorce, but the husband had money--she did not. The husband blamed my friend for the divorce and got the home and the children. She moved to Texas for a certain job that turned out to be not so certain. She wound up sleeping in her car. This woman was raised in a home very similar to mine. If anything, her parents had more money than mine, and now she was telling me how she had spent a year or more of her life. Thankfully, she was able to come home to her stepmother and get back on the right track. I'm sure not everyone has even a stepmother. I know I don't, but God has blessed me with great friends, and family is where you find it.

So, who's right in this instance. Only God knows.
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
You have completely shattered any small inkling that anyone may have had that you were a decent human being. You have proven yourself to be a selfish, coldhearted, jerk.


You, DHS, I am still waiting for some details on what you have done for homeless people but I'll go ahead and make a prediction: You haven't done squat. Nothing, Nada. - which is no more than I.

However, somehow thae fact that you really "care" more than I makes me a jerk and you an angel.

Let em tell you somehting: Action speak louder than words. I could give you a full accounitng what what I do to ACTUALLY help others who really need help. There are children suffering from abuse. There are women in safe houses. It's THESE people I reserve my money, time and sympathy for. Not some lost piece of human debris that has chosen a life of living off the crumbs of society.

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