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There is a constitutional prohibition against lotteries in Alabama which means voters would have to approve a change to the constitution, which so far has never been successful.

Since this is the Bible belt, I don’t believe a lottery will ever happen in Alabama. There’s a store not far over the Tenn./Ala. line & the manager said 60% of their lottery ticket sales are from Alabama. I wonder how much of that 60% is Christian folks?

(I put this in the religion section because the religious community here is so against a lottery)

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A sin is basically defined as an offense against God. In other words, actions that He says you should not do. The bible is pretty straight forward on some sins. You're not suppose to lie or steal. You're not suppose to fornicate or worship other gods. Reading through the bible will garner a list of things you are not suppose to do. 1 Corinthians gives us quite a list of those that won't be in heaven, 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (that drunkard part means that Noah may be in hell, but that's another topic for discussion). Unfortunately, there is no direct mention of gambling. Nowhere in the bible does it directly say that "thou shalt not gamble or buy a lottery ticket". Sometimes the bible is less direct, like this passage concerning wealth: Matthew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.But we still don't have something similar when it comes to gambling. So why do so many churches and preachers claim gambling, and therefore playing the lottery, is a sin? Is it really a sin? Well, I have the answer for you.

First of all, if your state is ready to have a lottery drawing on a huge jackpot and the ticket sales are about to close, run out and buy a lottery ticket (if you can afford it) because it is NOTa sin. When you come back, read the rest of my article, and consider sharing the wealth with me if you win.

Lots of religious people claim that gambling is a sin. They will even quote bible verses. But those verses don't directly denounce gambling. Rather these people infer from them that they denounce a particular activity. And from that, they infer another vice. And so on and so on until they can say that gambling is a sin. On the surface it is bad logic and reasoning and underneath it might be downright deception. Let's look at some of the arguments, both secular and religious, against playing the lottery and gambling in general.

One I think is particularly ignorant is the "something for nothing" argument. People argue that you are getting something for nothing, and therefore it is somehow bad. They sometimes quote how you are suppose to earn money, 1 Thessalonians 4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you. One poor soul even called it stealing because he reasoned that the people that didn't win the lottery didn't want you to have their money, therefore they didn't willingly give it to you, therefore you stole it (assuming you won). In the first place, it is not money for nothing. Until they start giving out lottery tickets for free (hey, that's an idea), you will be paying for your chance to win. The "something for nothing" argument could easily be applied to the stock market. Yet I bet you won't hear any of these hypocritical preachers telling you not to invest! Lots of people got rich off of Enron and WorldComstock with no knowledge of the corruption that was going on or how many people would get hurt in the end. Did all of those people suddenly become sinners when the companies when bankrupt? They got their money at the expense of others didn't they? In my point of view, nobody loses when they play the lottery. You buy a ticket for the chance to play. You get value for that lottery ticket. You get the excitement that as those numbers are read, they might just match the ones you have. Sure, it's fun to win. But it's also fun to play. A lottery ticket can be likened to a ride on the Ferris wheel. As you play the ticket, you enjoy the "ride". At the end, you either have a fun memory of the "ride", or you might have some extra money. And it's definitely not stealing because the people that didn't win voluntarily purchased their tickets. They willingly put their money into the pool, just like with a church raffle or bingo game.

Some say that playing the lottery or gambling hurts the poor, or your family, or children. Indeed, the bible specifically tells us not to do these things, 1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel, and, Luke 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.But this is the fault of the person, not the lottery or gambling. The people that do these things could just have easily spent the money on tobacco, or alcohol, or ****ography, or junk food, etc. The fact of the matter is that this is a character flaw in the person, not the activity. People are trying to blame the lottery and gambling for the faults of the person. It's just like saying the "devil made me do it" rather than owning up to the fact that it may just be your own fault.

Some say that playing the lottery is a form of being greedy, or coveting and loving money. And we know what the bible says on this matter, 1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.But again, this reasoning fails if you compare it to other avenues that bring wealth and prosperity. Again, what about the stock market? What about high paying jobs. I'd be willing to bet those TV preachers make way more money than I make. What about successful businesses? There are quite a few church run businesses that are very profitable. Why isn't that considered being greedy? Of course the answer is that they are bunch of hypocrites, but you already knew that. People know what is in their hearts. If they play the lottery because they are greedy, then yes, it might be a sin for them. But that doesn't mean it's a sin for everyone else.

The lottery is a voluntary tax. It's another way for a state to get money from people that voluntarily give it. It doesn't prey on the poor because the poor can see the odds of winning just like everyone else. Besides, how do you keep these so-called poor people from spending their money on tobacco and alcohol instead of a lottery? The states that have lotteries don't become seedy, evil, casino looking areas. Just look at the states around you. You can't tell a difference. I've visited many lottery states and even briefly lived in one. The only difference was that there was a lottery to play and the state had some extra income to apply to whatever they wanted, like education, roads, healthcare, etc. Some people argue that after a lottery is established, law makers don't spend it on what they promised. To this I say, so what? If you don't like what the money is being spent on, then don't buy a lottery ticket. It's still extra money that the state didn't have before, so it's more likely to stave off a tax increase.

Some say it is wasted money because it is money that could be given to God. This one really burns me because of the blatant hypocrisy that is apparent. If you live in a significantly large city, drive around and take a look at some of the religious establishments. You'll see grand cathedrals. You'll seen intricate statues and stained glass. You'll see Cadillacs and SUVs in the parking lot. And this is just on the outside. Inside you will find the best carpeting and woodwork. You'll see chandeliers and paintings. You'll see million dollar organs and musical equipment. And the people will be wearing furs and jewels. Talk about wasted money! Just think of how much money would be available if those religious establishments were just a little more modest. Think of all the poor that could be helped and fed. Think of all the mission work that could be done. Think of all the extra people that would hear the word of God. It really sickens me to see such wasted wealth in my local churches. The simple fact is that if they are not spending that money on lottery tickets, they are spending it elsewhere, thus this is not a valid argument against the lottery or gambling.

And probably the simplest example of the lottery being a sin is a reference to the Roman soldiers casting lots for Jesus' garments. The fact that they did this does not make it a sin. They also wore clothing. They also spoke a language. Are these sins? In fact, throughout the bible you'll find plenty of examples of people casting lots, some with the apparent approval of God, Leviticus 16:8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat, and, Joshua 18:10 And Joshua cast lots for them in Shiloh before the LORD: and there Joshua divided the land unto the children of Israel according to their divisions.They cast lots all over the place in the bible. The simple act of casting a lot was not a sin.

The fact of the matter is that buying a lottery ticket or gambling is not a sin. The bible makes no mention of it being a sin and as I've shown, the inference made by some is faulty logic. There will be some people that spend their "milk money" on lottery tickets, but that doesn't make the lottery evil. That person could just have easily spent that "milk money" on alcohol, tobacco, Twinkies, movies, clothes, jewelry, car, cellular phone, computers, etc. It's a voluntary system which means that the responsibility of any harm done lies with the person doing the gambling. To be honest, I use to think that gambling was a sin. I had been indoctrinated in the religious propaganda that still continues today. But as I grew and read the bible for myself, I realized that nowhere in the bible does it say or even imply gambling is a sin. So if you have the money to spare and want to play the lottery, you can do so without worry of going against any of God's rules. Just remember me and spread the wealth if you win!

 

 

http://www.jeffpolston.com/lottery.htm

There's nothing wrong this in the religious forum.

 

Everything is right with a Alabama lottery, bama needs one.

Nothing wrong with drinking, smoking or a little toking.

 

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Nothing at all wrong with some of it in moderation. Smoking isn't good at all imo.

I can't write a book on it, but I know this state needs the help, esp. the schools. It is WAY past time to get the lottery here instead of everyone having to go accross the Tn. line..Seems like the churches are doing alright..

We should have an occupy Alabama to have out voices heard if we ever want to turn this thing around.

Last time it came up for a vote, I voted for the lottery. I think it didn't pass because it was a special election and only the church people got out to vote. I talked to a lot of my friends and they didn't go vote because they assumed it would pass . Well, it didn't and then lieing Bob Riley got into office and raised our property taxes. Mine have more than doubled and continue to go up every year.

I will therefore NEVER vote for more taxes or anything to give more money to the schools. Take it out of the collection plate ! 

Originally Posted by seeweed:

Last time it came up for a vote, I voted for the lottery. I think it didn't pass because it was a special election and only the church people got out to vote.

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I voted for it too. Some of my friends didn't vote because they said it wouldn't pass because the Christian folks would take the vote. If people has that kind of attitude, & doesn't vote, of course, they'll take it.

The Bible does not explicitly mention gambling, but it does mention events of “luck” or “chance.” Here’s some examples. Casting lots was used in Leviticus to choose between the sacrificial goat and the scapegoat. Joshua cast lots to determine the allotment of land to various tribes. Nehemiah cast lots to determine who would live inside the walls of Jerusalem. The apostles cast lots to determine the replacement for Judas.

 

Gambling is no more/no less of a waste of money than seeing a movie, eating an unnecessarily expensive meal, or purchasing a worthless item.

I don't spend a lot of money when I go to Tunica. Sometimes I win, sometimes I don't but I truly love going!!  Those of you that are thinking it wouldn't matter for me because I'm not a Christian & going to Hell anyway? I would go even if I were a Christian.

I got a news flash for alla these bibley-thumpedy-self-righteous-church-liars...

 

LIFE is a gamble. Get over it. Nobody gets out of this world alive.

 

Did ya wake up above ground this morning? Congrats! Yer a WINNER!

 

What's the difference if you can buy a lottery ticket here in Alabama? It's not like anybody from any other state holds Alabama up as an example of righteousness....Nobody CAAAAAARES.

 

THIS kinda stuff is what atheists don't like. Church hypocrites dictating laws WE heathens have to abide by or suffer because of.  YOU xtians aren't the only ones here.

 

 

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
What's the difference if you can buy a lottery ticket here in Alabama? It's not like anybody from any other state holds Alabama up as an example of righteousness....Nobody CAAAAAARES.

 

THIS kinda stuff is what atheists don't like. Church hypocrites dictating laws WE heathens have to abide by or suffer because of.  YOU xtians aren't the only ones here.

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I would like to be able to buy a lottery ticket in Alabama in hopes that it would help the schools & other things the state can't afford.

 

The Christians get out & vote because their Pastor tells them to. The majority of non-Christian people that I know didn't even get out & vote last time. If they would, Alabama just might have a lottery. Instead the Christians are being allowed to run Alabama.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
What's the difference if you can buy a lottery ticket here in Alabama? It's not like anybody from any other state holds Alabama up as an example of righteousness....Nobody CAAAAAARES.

 

THIS kinda stuff is what atheists don't like. Church hypocrites dictating laws WE heathens have to abide by or suffer because of.  YOU xtians aren't the only ones here.

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I would like to be able to buy a lottery ticket in Alabama in hopes that it would help the schools & other things the state can't afford.

 

The Christians get out & vote because their Pastor tells them to. The majority of non-Christian people that I know didn't even get out & vote last time. If they would, Alabama just might have a lottery. Instead the Christians are being allowed to run Alabama.

Ya wanna change stuff-Ya gotta vote. True dat.

 

The churches are fulla crooks.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by lexum:

and i'm fer the lottery. but i mistrust the crooks running it. thats the reason churches should over-see a lottery.

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Do you really believe there is no crooks within the churches?

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i didn't say there were no crooks in a church but the likelyhood of low-bauchery would be nil if churches ran the lottery.

i didn't say there were no crooks in a church but the likelyhood of low-bauchery would be nil if churches ran the lottery.

 

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Yeah, they'd love to get their hands on even more money. Sorry charlie, there's no way churches have any business getting their paws on lottery money. Get real.

"Last time it came up for a vote, I voted for the lottery. I think it didn't pass because it was a special election and only the church people got out to vote"

I crumbling schools and lavish churches everywhere..something is bad wrong

 

I don't recall being able to vote on it before.. they need to bring it up again soon! and set a time where all can vote!!

Let's get righteous Alabama out of this hole, and help this education system..

HAW!

 

If churches ran the lottery-Only churches would have money....Oh...wait...That's kinda how it is NOW. Well then there'd be BIGGER churches because they'd have MORE money.

 

What I'd like to see is the tax on food and necessities done away with.

 

Too many weeks I have to decide between buying enough gasoline to get to work and back home all week long and buying enough to eat all week. I drive a stingy car (and I've been nursing a bad axle for the past three months so I can sock away a little here and there to get a new axle.) and I don't eat much.  Food is about the only place I can take money from to pay for other stuff.   I try not to eat anything on weekends so I can put away a few bucks toward that car part...but I usually fail because I always seem to get pretty hungry around Sunday night.

 

Necessities weren't taxed where I'm from. They didn't need to be-because they had a LOTTERY.

 

Trust me-The schools around here need all the help they can get.  Most of the kids I transport can't even FIND where I'm from on a map.

 

One did, though. Shocked the hell outta me. But then this kid had just moved to Florence from Tennessee.

 

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

i didn't say there were no crooks in a church but the likelyhood of low-bauchery would be nil if churches ran the lottery.

 

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Yeah, they'd love to get their hands on even more money. Sorry charlie, there's no way churches have any business getting their paws on lottery money. Get real.

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Well best if it is not run by churches you must be advocating it be run by atheists.

Originally Posted by lexum:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

i didn't say there were no crooks in a church but the likelyhood of low-bauchery would be nil if churches ran the lottery.

 

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Yeah, they'd love to get their hands on even more money. Sorry charlie, there's no way churches have any business getting their paws on lottery money. Get real.

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Well best if it is not run by churches you must be advocating it be run by atheists.

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Most states that have a lottery have a state lottery commission in place.

An actual state department, run by people whose skills qualify them to-not by their particular beliefs.

 

It is not up to the people that run the lottery to decide where the money goes. It is up to the state and (should somebody win) the luck of the draw.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

There is a constitutional prohibition against lotteries in Alabama which means voters would have to approve a change to the constitution, which so far has never been successful.

Since this is the Bible belt, I don’t believe a lottery will ever happen in Alabama. There’s a store not far over the Tenn./Ala. line & the manager said 60% of their lottery ticket sales are from Alabama. I wonder how much of that 60% is Christian folks?

(I put this in the religion section because the religious community here is so against a lottery)

I'm a Christian and I buy lotto tickets now and then, I'll take it a step further, I'm a Baptist and I buy lotto tickets now and then and as long as we're talking about so called "vices" I'll add that if I want to have a drink or six and it's an appropriate time & place to do so then I'll do that too (even though it's rare that I drink), I also think trips to Tunica are fun.

Doing any of the above is not a sin in itself and most Christians realize this just as most non Christians know that as long as no harm is done then there is nothing wrong with any of these things. Personally I don't think this is a religious issue,  while it may be true that there are several in the Church that call it a sin and fight against it, I also think that several non Christians fight against the idea of a lotto too. 

Originally Posted by lexum:

yeah pup but they are in the majority. you missed too many civics classes bud.

 

and i'm fer the lottery. but i mistrust the crooks running it. thats the reason churches should over-see a lottery.

Churches already run lotteries, we usually call them raffles. Maybe the handful that complain are just afraid of a little competition.

BFred, you're one of very few Christians that see it that way. Do you remember when Gov. Don Siegelman tried to get the lottery in Alabama in 1999? The churches took ads out in the papers, spots on radio stations, preaching against it from the pulpit. Their belief was that if Alabama got the lottery, it would become a state of heathens, & go to Hell in a handbasket.

 I also think that several non Christians fight against the idea of a lotto too.

 

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Like bootleggers would fight to keep an area dry. But now so many places are wet I doubt the bootleggers are doing a booming business anywhere anymore. If you live in a dry area it's not a long drive to buy booze.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 Like bootleggers would fight to keep an area dry. But now so many places are wet I doubt the bootleggers are doing a booming business anywhere anymore. If you live in a dry area it's not a long drive to buy booze.

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We were recently at a Flea Market in Knoxville & there was a guy there selling Moonshine in mason jars & had a small still set up showing how it was made.

I am with BFred I'm a Baptist and I have bought an occasional lottery ticket. Never been to Tunica never really had the desire. I look at gambling as  mostly harmless. Then again I have some pretty liberal views on Christian liberty as explained by Paul. Heck, I know some people who think stock market investing is a gamble and thus sinful. Way too narrow thinkin' even for Alabamistan.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

BFred, you're one of very few Christians that see it that way. Do you remember when Gov. Don Siegelman tried to get the lottery in Alabama in 1999? The churches took ads out in the papers, spots on radio stations, preaching against it from the pulpit. Their belief was that if Alabama got the lottery, it would become a state of heathens, & go to Hell in a handbasket.

Actually there are not so many who see it the other way but the ones who were against it were the most vocal and mostly from the older generation (older generation= folks that control the money which = anti lotto ads)

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