Nope, I work!  I am the only person on my crew with the skill to perform the job that I do.  I am much older than most of the crew and have offered to show some of the younger workers how to do the work. All  they want is pay without the work. Again, if you want top pay, do top work.

Mad I know all about skilled  labor I’ve probably worked your azz if you are union, as project manager on multi-million dollar power plants, paper mills , aluminum and steel to name a few all over the south. I know all about it bud.

Per US Department of Labor statistics, only 4.7 percent of workers are paid minimum wage.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2013/ted_20130325.htm

 

Minimum wage is a starter wage for non-skilled workers, including teenagers.  Ridiculous to insist upon a living wage for someone who has no skills and lives with his parents.  Fast food places operate on a narrow profit margin and prices are very competitive.  Double wages and there will be no jobs.  And, in NYC, only the small food shops and delis operated by owners and their families. Plus, Starbucks, of course, and their over priced products.  All costing more than the old fast food places.   

Raising min wage to 15 bucks will only increase the percentage of those living below the poverty line.  The only way this would work is if everyone got the same raise. 

 

Joe the plumber makes a decent living at $25/hour.  Minimum wage is raised to $15/hour and all employers affected by this increase raise their prices to pay the new min wage.  Joe still makes $25/hour but his money is now effectively worth $15/hour.  Joe realizes he was an idiot for voting demoncrat.

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

Mad I know all about skilled  labor I’ve probably worked your azz if you are union, as project manager on multi-million dollar power plants, paper mills , aluminum and steel to name a few all over the south. I know all about it bud.


Well, just spewed coffee all over my monitor!

animated gifs of laughing paople- man rolling on the floor laughing

"Project manager"...huh?

 

 

 

Qd is in that union where if you get caught drinking and doing drugs on the job they’ll fight for you to keep your job.  

Yep rolly over the years as supervisor and project manager in industrial construction I was partly responsible for you having electricity in your trailer, the cars your buddies drove, the food you eat and paper you wiped your *** with and the brown paper sack you puke in and bring your likker home in. I never did build a distillery though.

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

Yep rolly over the years as supervisor and project manager in industrial construction I was partly responsible for you having electricity in your trailer, the cars your buddies drove, the food you eat and paper you wiped your *** with and the brown paper sack you puke in and bring your likker home in. I never did build a distillery though.

I've worked in industry all my life.  Most of the union people I've worked with vote Republican.  Of course I've seen a few turds like **** doggy dog in my career.  No one ever takes them seriously.

Skilled trades are a must and that comes from training whether from a union or trade school. I believe in a top wage negotiated by collective bargaining [journeyman wage in skilled trades]. A beginning employee starts out at a percentage of that wage and receives a percentage increase after a set time and has demonstrated an increase in skills judged by an appointed journeyman in the workplace. If in the opinion of that journeyman the person has not advanced in skills, no raise is earned and continues at that wage until the person has proven otherwise. The top wage is then renegotiated each year. The more skilled and productive a pool of employees are in any industry has to be the business of that collective body union or otherwise. In the perfect world when a business needs an employee from that represented pool the employee shows up educated, skilled along with the necessary tools to do the job and guaranteed a fair living wage from the employer for it.

     Theft of employees by competition is stopped in its tracks and bidding for production costs is not determined by how cheaply you can pay workers. That cost is level across the industry. Once a person takes a job he stays there and does not shop employers, if he quits he goes to the back of the line and waits to be sent out for another job.

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

Skilled trades are a must and that comes from training whether from a union or trade school. I believe in a top wage negotiated by collective bargaining [journeyman wage in skilled trades]. A beginning employee starts out at a percentage of that wage and receives a percentage increase after a set time and has demonstrated an increase in skills judged by an appointed journeyman in the workplace. If in the opinion of that journeyman the person has not advanced in skills, no raise is earned and continues at that wage until the person has proven otherwise. The top wage is then renegotiated each year. The more skilled and productive a pool of employees are in any industry has to be the business of that collective body union or otherwise. In the perfect world when a business needs an employee from that represented pool the employee shows up educated, skilled along with the necessary tools to do the job and guaranteed a fair living wage from the employer for it.

     Theft of employees by competition is stopped in its tracks and bidding for production costs is not determined by how cheaply you can pay workers. That cost is level across the industry. Once a person takes a job he stays there and does not shop employers, if he quits he goes to the back of the line and waits to be sent out for another job.

I am sure you run your household by trying to pay the lowest rate possible for any good or service. If you are having a bathroom remodeled at your house would you pay a contractor $20k when there is someone equally qualified that would do the job for $18k? Also, would you pay $4 for a gallon of milk if a grocery store next door is selling it for $3? You wouldn't. Yet, you expect a business owner to do that very thing when it comes to labor. When you eliminate competition in the marketplace you reward complacency. 

Don’t be jealous of union wages now kenny.

I don’t take bids from non-union contractors.

 

I had you on my mental list of those who wouldn't understand the post.

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