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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by RETIREDLEO:
I have examined the story myself. That research began when I first met Pusser forty years ago. I have not only talked with the people you have, I have know many of them, and arrested more than a few. Some of them want the "honor" of being the inconsequential little man that brought down the legend, much like you dream about. I know Pusser was not a perfect man, but I also know that he wasn't who you make him out to be either. While I don't believe many of the events portrayed in the movies, they were dramatizations, not documentaries. Try and find any Hollywood version based on a true character that the people involved were in total agreement with.

You have accused a dead man of murdering his wife and sexually assaulting his step-daughter, along with a litany of other criminal acts. Do you really believe that people do not suffer as a result of your actions? What integrity or balls does it take to do that? I could post a number of horrific crimes that Pusser could have perpetrated, but how could anyone prove that he didn't? Once people like you start putting these wild statements out there, they create a life of their own.

I have no problem with setting the record straight. I do have a problem with spineless people hiding behind a keyboard and irresponsibly launching attacks on someone that is unable to defend himself.


Maybe I simply have more pride in my former profession than you do. I could possibly overlook someone who wanted to bend the rules a little, but if you have actually studied this story as you claim then you know Pusser more than bent a few rules. You know that he was part of the problem at the state line..., not part of the solution.

I wasn't the one that said that Buford sexually assaulted his stepdaughter although I am aware that this story exists. That story was told by a Selmer police officer who knew Buford well as he served at the same time while Pusser was sheriff. I can't and wouldn't take credit for spreading that story around on forums regardless of it is true or not, although that seems to be exactly what YOU are doing right, here right now. Talk abiout spineless..., blaming others for what you are doing...., now that truly is spineless.

Again, if you researched the story as you claimed, then you would already know all of this story and much more..., wouldn't you. The real question is why aren't you "trying to set the record straight"?

Many of the people who have said that Buford had committed criminal acts had no problem attaching thier own names to the the stories they told. They were not hiding from the truth..., they were promoting it.

Somehow I find it strange that you are afraid to use your real name as you libel and slander mine, so if you really have no problem "setting the record straight" then you now have an opportunity to start by identifying yourself..., or are you just going to hide behind your keyboard?


Reponses from Charlie on the Buford Pusser Newsletter". Charlies comments are in blue where as mine are in red.



Mike- This, of course brings into question if there was a Cadillac at all. Without a Cadillac, where is your argument? Tell us Charlie, what proof do we have that there was a Cadillac? All we have is Buford's word on that and when challenged on many other subjects Buford's veracity often fails the test. Isn't that true?



Charlie: And when your veracity is challenged you just change the topic and find another way to make personal attacks.

Mike: Whoa Charlie...back the truck up!!! Lets be clear on a number of issues here starting with personal attacks. I was on another forum at Times Daily.com. I was posting there regarding a gun that was found in a creek that some had alleged to have been used in the Pusser ambush. The information about that forum had been posted here by a member of crimemyths. I went to that forum to see what was there and I shared some information about Pusser. Then YOU came on the forum and attacked me not the other way around. You even called me out by name. You criticized me for posting on various forums that have information or discussion regarding Pusser. What business is it of yours where I post and secondly, why are you so critical of me since you are posting there as well. You are the ultimate hypocrite. You whine like a little girl if someone makes a point about your beloved hero. I am into to honest debate. STOP YOUR **** WHINING..., IT MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A WIMP. If you want to engage in debate that's fine..., I'm just tired of you acting like a drama queen.



The Cadillac

Charlie: Sheriff Pusser saw in the blue 1965 Cadillac when this murder occurred on August 12, 1967 (The Warren Jones Letter). Apparently the TBI had an idea there was a Cadillac and followed up on it they had suspects and the car was still being mentioned eight months later in the investigation. One would think if the TBI, MBI, and FBI all involved in the investigation the Cadillac theory would have been debunked as a fraud Pusser would of been in hot water.

Mike: I take the opposite view charlie. One would think that with a "dream team" of investigators that included the TBI, MBI, FBI and the likes of Rex Armisted and Charlie Goforth they would have been able to prove that a Cadillac was involved in the alleged ambush if Pusser was telling the truth. But, that's another question isn't it..., was Pusser telling the truth? What else was there to connect a blue 1965 Cadillac to the alleged ambush? ...., ABSOLUTLY NOTHING..., just Pusser word.

I would suggest that Warren Jones included a mention of the blue 1965 Cadillac in his letter to OSBI agent Jack Hill as they had so little information of any kind to share...period. You say "apparently the TBI had an idea there was a Cadillac involved" ..., well charlie where did they get that idea? From Buford Pusser..., nowhere else! Have you ever considered the possibility that Buford was sending investigators down endless rabbit trails to keep anyone from looking at him too closely?

Have you ever actually considered that it was Pauline Pusser, not Buford who was the target of the alleged ambush. Buford had everything to lose if Pauline lived long enough to leave him and talk to the authorities about his corruption as she had threatened to do. He had everything to gain if she were dead. Why should he not be considered a suspect? Nothing much had gone on at the state line since Pusser killed Louise Hath**** on February 2, 1966. Eighteen months and the county had been quiet up until the alleged ambush.



Charlie: Baltimore police officer Jeff McCleese had communications with Deputy Director of the TBI Steve O Watson. McCleese was given the opportunity to view the ambush file in a room with an agent outside the door. He recalls photos of a blue Cadillac in the case file. Tennessee since then has become a closed record state. I have had several conversations with McCleese. We all by now have a copy of the letter to McCleese from Deputy Director of the TBI Steve O Watson stating all the bullets entered the driver's side of the car.


Mike: You say Jeff McCleese saw the ambush file and recalls seeing photos of a blue Cadillac in the file. To many, that might seem significant, but as a former law enforcement officer I can tell you that investigation files are often filed with tips, leads and information gathered during an investigation that went absolutely nowhere. Yes, there may have been such a photo(s) in the file. This shows only that investigators followed up on what Buford told them. Why wouldn't they follow up on it..., the better observation is that ultimately investigators gleened little or no useful information here.

Yes charlie, bullets entered the drivers side side of Pusser's car. More smoke and mirrors..., what does it prove? If you are staging an ambush and claimed shots were fired from a Cadillac that pulled along side you wound you shoot into the drivers side of your car to make things look good? Again, what little information we have seen from the file is nice to have, but still, it proves nothing.


Charlie: Rex Armisted interview: He would not go into how the TBI came up with the suspect list but said "it was very reliable". He went on further to say "the Cadillac was dark blue and traced to a dealership in Tupelo where it was bought through W.O. Hath****. He said Hath**** financed and ordered Pusser's murder." Rex who investigated the ambush from the Mississippi side of the case.

Mike: OK, lets put the story of W.O. Hath**** into proper context so people will have a better idea of exactly how he plays into all of this.

Pusser and W.O. Had a history. W.O. operated the Plantation Club on the Mississippi side of the state line. Pusser claimed that in February 1957 he was attacked beaten and robbed and the Plantation Club, however, I have never seen anything where Pusser accused W.O. Hath**** by name of being involved in this incident. In fact, there is no available information th show that this event ever happened or to show that Buford ever received 192 stitches in his head and face as W.R. Morris ranted about in the official biography of Buford Pusser, "The Twelfth of August". There are no police reports, medical records or newspaper reports regarding the incident when it was alleged to have occurred. Photos taken of Buford Pusser in this time frame to not support this claim as they show NO SCARING to Pusser's head or face as one might expect to find. The Buford Pusser home and Museum has nothing to prove that this event EVER HAPPENED. All we have is again..., Buford's word.

We also know that in December 1959 W.O. Hath**** was beaten and robbed while he was alone in the club (his wife had retired to their living quarters of the building). Pusser, Wright and King were linked to that event not only by witnesses who placed them in the Plantation Club but by physical evidence in the form of a laundry marker they left behind...., a laundry marker from Chicago were they lived at the time.

We also know that unlike Pussers alleged attack at the Plantation Club in 1957, the attack on Hath**** was well documented, both by law enforcement authorities and the hospital as well.

We also know that when Cleaton Wilbanks became sheriff in Alcorn County Mississippi that W.O. Hath**** shut down the Plantation Club, an event that had nothing to do with Buford Pusser or his rein as sheriff in neighboring McNairy County Tennessee.

We know that after after Buford killed Louise Hath**** at the Shamrock Motel that the state line and McNairy County remained quiet for the next eighteen months even though Howard Bunch and W.O. Hath**** purchased the Shamrock and White Iris from the Jack Hath**** estate. There is no record that I am aware of that Buford had any problems with either Bunch or Hath**** while they operated these establishments. As a matter of fact, W.O. avoided going into McNairy County because of Pusser.

We also know that after closing down the Plantation Club, W.O Hath**** refurbished cars...mostly Cadillacs. Why Cadillacs? He once explained that you could refurbish a wrecked Chevy and make some money, or you could spend the same time refurbishing a Cadillac and make some "real" money.

My point here is that Hath**** bought, sold and traded in Cadillacs, something that Pusser was also aware of. Now, if you are going to kill your wife, or have her killed, wouldn't you have an "escape" plan?

Days before the alleged ambush Buford was going around Selmer telling people that he would be "stalked and killed", a story that was reported in the news paper by Chief Deputy Jim Moffett after the ambush occurred. Buford knew that Pauline was planning to leave him and had threatened to expose his corruption as well. Was she planning on returning to Adamsville from their "vacation" to see her parents in Haysi Virginia? Could Buford take the chance that she wouldn't?

If Buford was smart enough to start a story a week before the alleged ambush that he would be "stalked and killed", is it out of the realm of possibility that he also knew that Hath**** may have recently sold or traded a blue 1965 Cadillac to a dealer in Tupelo? Again, was Pusser just sending investigators down "rabbit trails"? Was the mention of this blue 1965 Cadillac merely a part of his "escape plan"?

You forgot to mention that soil samples were taken from the Cadillac and they did not match samples from the New Hope Road area.

You also forgot to mention that as soon as W.O. Hath**** heard about the alleged ambush that he drove to the TBI headquarters in Nashville where he and his wife both were administered and passed polygraph examinations. Why did he not only volunteer but insist on taking a polygraph examination? Because W.O. suspected that he would be Pusser's scapegoat in the ambush. Tell us Charlie, did Pusser take a polygraph examination as W.O. did?

Tell us Charlie, what, other than Pusser's claim that a Cadillac was involved in the ambush, what is there to make us believe that one really was involved?

Charlie, you seem to be one of those people who want to believe in the alleged ambush..., simply because you want to. Nothing we know of really supports Pusser's version of the ambush..., people believe it because its the only version that has really been told. Pusser himself is actually the best suspect we have based on real information.

I can't help it if the TBI, MBI, FBI, Charlie Goforth and Rex Armisted couldn't prove the ambush happened the wat Pusser claimed or that a blue 1965 Cadillac was involved. Maybe they is a reason they couldn'y prove it..., did you ever consider that?

There are lots of things that have not and probably will never be answered regarding the ambush. One of those things that I really began to question as we reconstructed the ambush as Buford told it, was how a a Cadillac could pull up beside Pusser's parked Fury at the second ambush site and the gun man sitting only three to five feet away could fire 12 times and hit the alleged intended target only once ..., and still not kill him?

You and Rex Armisted can both talk all you want about how W.O. Hath**** financed and ordered Buford Pusser's death, but neither of you seem to have made to first base with proving it.

It can certainly be said that I have not proven that Buford Pusser killed Pauline or had her kill, but I do believe I have done a much more compelling job of making my arguments than you and Armisted have made of yours. People of course will decide for themselves who or what they wish to believe.
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by RETIREDLEO:
I have examined the story myself. That research began when I first met Pusser forty years ago. I have not only talked with the people you have, I have know many of them, and arrested more than a few. Some of them want the "honor" of being the inconsequential little man that brought down the legend, much like you dream about. I know Pusser was not a perfect man, but I also know that he wasn't who you make him out to be either. While I don't believe many of the events portrayed in the movies, they were dramatizations, not documentaries. Try and find any Hollywood version based on a true character that the people involved were in total agreement with.

You have accused a dead man of murdering his wife and sexually assaulting his step-daughter, along with a litany of other criminal acts. Do you really believe that people do not suffer as a result of your actions? What integrity or balls does it take to do that? I could post a number of horrific crimes that Pusser could have perpetrated, but how could anyone prove that he didn't? Once people like you start putting these wild statements out there, they create a life of their own.

I have no problem with setting the record straight. I do have a problem with spineless people hiding behind a keyboard and irresponsibly launching attacks on someone that is unable to defend himself.


Maybe I simply have more pride in my former profession than you do. I could possibly overlook someone who wanted to bend the rules a little, but if you have actually studied this story as you claim then you know Pusser more than bent a few rules. You know that he was part of the problem at the state line..., not part of the solution.

I wasn't the one that said that Buford sexually assaulted his stepdaughter although I am aware that this story exists. That story was told by a Selmer police officer who knew Buford well as he served at the same time while Pusser was sheriff. I can't and wouldn't take credit for spreading that story around on forums regardless of it is true or not, although that seems to be exactly what YOU are doing right, here right now. Talk abiout spineless..., blaming others for what you are doing...., now that truly is spineless.

Again, if you researched the story as you claimed, then you would already know all of this story and much more..., wouldn't you. The real question is why aren't you "trying to set the record straight"?

Many of the people who have said that Buford had committed criminal acts had no problem attaching thier own names to the the stories they told. They were not hiding from the truth..., they were promoting it.

Somehow I find it strange that you are afraid to use your real name as you libel and slander mine, so if you really have no problem "setting the record straight" then you now have an opportunity to start by identifying yourself..., or are you just going to hide behind your keyboard?


Reponses from Charlie on the Buford Pusser Newsletter". Charlies comments are in blue where as mine are in red.



Mike- This, of course brings into question if there was a Cadillac at all. Without a Cadillac, where is your argument? Tell us Charlie, what proof do we have that there was a Cadillac? All we have is Buford's word on that and when challenged on many other subjects Buford's veracity often fails the test. Isn't that true?



Charlie: And when your veracity is challenged you just change the topic and find another way to make personal attacks.

Mike: Whoa Charlie...back the truck up!!! Lets be clear on a number of issues here starting with personal attacks. I was on another forum at Times Daily.com. I was posting there regarding a gun that was found in a creek that some had alleged to have been used in the Pusser ambush. The information about that forum had been posted here by a member of crimemyths. I went to that forum to see what was there and I shared some information about Pusser. Then YOU came on the forum and attacked me not the other way around. You even called me out by name. You criticized me for posting on various forums that have information or discussion regarding Pusser. What business is it of yours where I post and secondly, why are you so critical of me since you are posting there as well. You are the ultimate hypocrite. You whine like a little girl if someone makes a point about your beloved hero. I am into to honest debate. STOP YOUR **** WHINING..., IT MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A WIMP. If you want to engage in debate that's fine..., I'm just tired of you acting like a drama queen.



The Cadillac

Charlie: Sheriff Pusser saw in the blue 1965 Cadillac when this murder occurred on August 12, 1967 (The Warren Jones Letter). Apparently the TBI had an idea there was a Cadillac and followed up on it they had suspects and the car was still being mentioned eight months later in the investigation. One would think if the TBI, MBI, and FBI all involved in the investigation the Cadillac theory would have been debunked as a fraud Pusser would of been in hot water.

Mike: I take the opposite view charlie. One would think that with a "dream team" of investigators that included the TBI, MBI, FBI and the likes of Rex Armisted and Charlie Goforth they would have been able to prove that a Cadillac was involved in the alleged ambush if Pusser was telling the truth. But, that's another question isn't it..., was Pusser telling the truth? What else was there to connect a blue 1965 Cadillac to the alleged ambush? ...., ABSOLUTLY NOTHING..., just Pusser word.

I would suggest that Warren Jones included a mention of the blue 1965 Cadillac in his letter to OSBI agent Jack Hill as they had so little information of any kind to share...period. You say "apparently the TBI had an idea there was a Cadillac involved" ..., well charlie where did they get that idea? From Buford Pusser..., nowhere else! Have you ever considered the possibility that Buford was sending investigators down endless rabbit trails to keep anyone from looking at him too closely?

Have you ever actually considered that it was Pauline Pusser, not Buford who was the target of the alleged ambush. Buford had everything to lose if Pauline lived long enough to leave him and talk to the authorities about his corruption as she had threatened to do. He had everything to gain if she were dead. Why should he not be considered a suspect? Nothing much had gone on at the state line since Pusser killed Louise Hath**** on February 2, 1966. Eighteen months and the county had been quiet up until the alleged ambush.



Charlie: Baltimore police officer Jeff McCleese had communications with Deputy Director of the TBI Steve O Watson. McCleese was given the opportunity to view the ambush file in a room with an agent outside the door. He recalls photos of a blue Cadillac in the case file. Tennessee since then has become a closed record state. I have had several conversations with McCleese. We all by now have a copy of the letter to McCleese from Deputy Director of the TBI Steve O Watson stating all the bullets entered the driver's side of the car.


Mike: You say Jeff McCleese saw the ambush file and recalls seeing photos of a blue Cadillac in the file. To many, that might seem significant, but as a former law enforcement officer I can tell you that investigation files are often filed with tips, leads and information gathered during an investigation that went absolutely nowhere. Yes, there may have been such a photo(s) in the file. This shows only that investigators followed up on what Buford told them. Why wouldn't they follow up on it..., the better observation is that ultimately investigators gleened little or no useful information here.

Yes charlie, bullets entered the drivers side side of Pusser's car. More smoke and mirrors..., what does it prove? If you are staging an ambush and claimed shots were fired from a Cadillac that pulled along side you wound you shoot into the drivers side of your car to make things look good? Again, what little information we have seen from the file is nice to have, but still, it proves nothing.


Charlie: Rex Armisted interview: He would not go into how the TBI came up with the suspect list but said "it was very reliable". He went on further to say "the Cadillac was dark blue and traced to a dealership in Tupelo where it was bought through W.O. Hath****. He said Hath**** financed and ordered Pusser's murder." Rex who investigated the ambush from the Mississippi side of the case.

Mike: OK, lets put the story of W.O. Hath**** into proper context so people will have a better idea of exactly how he plays into all of this.

Pusser and W.O. Had a history. W.O. operated the Plantation Club on the Mississippi side of the state line. Pusser claimed that in February 1957 he was attacked beaten and robbed and the Plantation Club, however, I have never seen anything where Pusser accused W.O. Hath**** by name of being involved in this incident. In fact, there is no available information th show that this event ever happened or to show that Buford ever received 192 stitches in his head and face as W.R. Morris ranted about in the official biography of Buford Pusser, "The Twelfth of August". There are no police reports, medical records or newspaper reports regarding the incident when it was alleged to have occurred. Photos taken of Buford Pusser in this time frame to not support this claim as they show NO SCARING to Pusser's head or face as one might expect to find. The Buford Pusser home and Museum has nothing to prove that this event EVER HAPPENED. All we have is again..., Buford's word.

We also know that in December 1959 W.O. Hath**** was beaten and robbed while he was alone in the club (his wife had retired to their living quarters of the building). Pusser, Wright and King were linked to that event not only by witnesses who placed them in the Plantation Club but by physical evidence in the form of a laundry marker they left behind...., a laundry marker from Chicago were they lived at the time.

We also know that unlike Pussers alleged attack at the Plantation Club in 1957, the attack on Hath**** was well documented, both by law enforcement authorities and the hospital as well.

We also know that when Cleaton Wilbanks became sheriff in Alcorn County Mississippi that W.O. Hath**** shut down the Plantation Club, an event that had nothing to do with Buford Pusser or his rein as sheriff in neighboring McNairy County Tennessee.

We know that after after Buford killed Louise Hath**** at the Shamrock Motel that the state line and McNairy County remained quiet for the next eighteen months even though Howard Bunch and W.O. Hath**** purchased the Shamrock and White Iris from the Jack Hath**** estate. There is no record that I am aware of that Buford had any problems with either Bunch or Hath**** while they operated these establishments. As a matter of fact, W.O. avoided going into McNairy County because of Pusser.

We also know that after closing down the Plantation Club, W.O Hath**** refurbished cars...mostly Cadillacs. Why Cadillacs? He once explained that you could refurbish a wrecked Chevy and make some money, or you could spend the same time refurbishing a Cadillac and make some "real" money.

My point here is that Hath**** bought, sold and traded in Cadillacs, something that Pusser was also aware of. Now, if you are going to kill your wife, or have her killed, wouldn't you have an "escape" plan?

Days before the alleged ambush Buford was going around Selmer telling people that he would be "stalked and killed", a story that was reported in the news paper by Chief Deputy Jim Moffett after the ambush occurred. Buford knew that Pauline was planning to leave him and had threatened to expose his corruption as well. Was she planning on returning to Adamsville from their "vacation" to see her parents in Haysi Virginia? Could Buford take the chance that she wouldn't?

If Buford was smart enough to start a story a week before the alleged ambush that he would be "stalked and killed", is it out of the realm of possibility that he also knew that Hath**** may have recently sold or traded a blue 1965 Cadillac to a dealer in Tupelo? Again, was Pusser just sending investigators down "rabbit trails"? Was the mention of this blue 1965 Cadillac merely a part of his "escape plan"?

You forgot to mention that soil samples were taken from the Cadillac and they did not match samples from the New Hope Road area.

You also forgot to mention that as soon as W.O. Hath**** heard about the alleged ambush that he drove to the TBI headquarters in Nashville where he and his wife both were administered and passed polygraph examinations. Why did he not only volunteer but insist on taking a polygraph examination? Because W.O. suspected that he would be Pusser's scapegoat in the ambush. Tell us Charlie, did Pusser take a polygraph examination as W.O. did?

Tell us Charlie, what, other than Pusser's claim that a Cadillac was involved in the ambush, what is there to make us believe that one really was involved?

Charlie, you seem to be one of those people who want to believe in the alleged ambush..., simply because you want to. Nothing we know of really supports Pusser's version of the ambush..., people believe it because its the only version that has really been told. Pusser himself is actually the best suspect we have based on real information.

I can't help it if the TBI, MBI, FBI, Charlie Goforth and Rex Armisted couldn't prove the ambush happened the wat Pusser claimed or that a blue 1965 Cadillac was involved. Maybe they is a reason they couldn'y prove it..., did you ever consider that?

There are lots of things that have not and probably will never be answered regarding the ambush. One of those things that I really began to question as we reconstructed the ambush as Buford told it, was how a a Cadillac could pull up beside Pusser's parked Fury at the second ambush site and the gun man sitting only three to five feet away could fire 12 times and hit the alleged intended target only once ..., and still not kill him?

You and Rex Armisted can both talk all you want about how W.O. Hath**** financed and ordered Buford Pusser's death, but neither of you seem to have made to first base with proving it.

It can certainly be said that I have not proven that Buford Pusser killed Pauline or had her kill, but I do believe I have done a much more compelling job of making my arguments than you and Armisted have made of yours. People of course will decide for themselves who or what they wish to believe.


If you can't dispute it, blow hot air.
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Originally posted by doobiebrother88:
do you guys follow each other all over the internet insulting each other? at least mike has the balls to use his real name, i suspect yours starts with a B.


Not at all. Although I've been reading Elam's opinion and made up stories for years, this is the first time I've gotten so tired of seeing him show up everywhere Pusser's name is mentioned spewing his non-sense, and it was finally time to say something. If you knew him as well as we do, you would know you won't get anything out of him other than hot air and total ignorance of the actual facts and that insults are all that's left in dealing with him.

Oh, and as far as using real names, until you start using yours, I'd keep my trap shut if I were you. You won't look like such a fool.
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Originally posted by doobiebrother88:
do you guys follow each other all over the internet insulting each other? at least mike has the balls to use his real name, i suspect yours starts with a B.


Not at all. Although I've been reading Elam's opinion and made up stories for years, this is the first time I've gotten so tired of seeing him show up everywhere Pusser's name is mentioned spewing his non-sense, and it was finally time to say something. If you knew him as well as we do, you would know you won't get anything out of him other than hot air and total ignorance of the actual facts and that insults are all that's left in dealing with him.

Oh, and as far as using real names, until you start using yours, I'd keep my trap shut if I were you. You won't look like such a fool.


TO Doobiebrother88:

You will have to excuse slinger. His parents had the same last name BEFORE they got married. As such, he once even claimed he was his own uncle or nephew...I can't remember which. People born under these circumstance often lash out at others in an irrational manner. I am an example of this "lashing out" process that slinger goes through as he often comments on my wieght without ever giving a thought to his own severely enlarged forehead and blank stare.

Slinger is hoping for a bango playing role in the up coming remake of "Deliverance". I truly hope he gets it..., he needs a break.
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Originally posted by Guile:
This is beginning to turn epic.

I had long suspected that Pusser had another side.

Two questions.....

Do you think this machine gun could be related to Pusser in any capacity?

And

What do you know about Pusser and the young black girl (hooker)? Seems like I heard him and another law man were in some type of competition for her.


Let me guess, either another one of Elam's phony posting personalities, Uncle Milty or McFall rushing to his rescue. Been on any good fake trips lately, phony?

This isn't crimemythmyths Elam. People in the real world actually have brains and see through your BS.




do you guys follow each other all over the internet insulting each other? at least mike has the balls to use his real name, i suspect yours starts with a B.


In answer to your question. I have no reason to follow some of these people around. I am only on this forum as it featured a gun that someone thought was connected to the alleged Pusser ambush. Obviously it has no connection as Pusser described the weapon used as a .3o caliber carbine. Obviously a Browning 1919 is not a carbine.

Some of these people who have nothing to contribute to the subject of Buford Pusser. They just follow me around as I do research. Its sad that they have nothing and no one to help them occupy their free time.
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by RETIREDLEO:
I have examined the story myself. That research began when I first met Pusser forty years ago. I have not only talked with the people you have, I have know many of them, and arrested more than a few. Some of them want the "honor" of being the inconsequential little man that brought down the legend, much like you dream about. I know Pusser was not a perfect man, but I also know that he wasn't who you make him out to be either. While I don't believe many of the events portrayed in the movies, they were dramatizations, not documentaries. Try and find any Hollywood version based on a true character that the people involved were in total agreement with.

You have accused a dead man of murdering his wife and sexually assaulting his step-daughter, along with a litany of other criminal acts. Do you really believe that people do not suffer as a result of your actions? What integrity or balls does it take to do that? I could post a number of horrific crimes that Pusser could have perpetrated, but how could anyone prove that he didn't? Once people like you start putting these wild statements out there, they create a life of their own.

I have no problem with setting the record straight. I do have a problem with spineless people hiding behind a keyboard and irresponsibly launching attacks on someone that is unable to defend himself.


Maybe I simply have more pride in my former profession than you do. I could possibly overlook someone who wanted to bend the rules a little, but if you have actually studied this story as you claim then you know Pusser more than bent a few rules. You know that he was part of the problem at the state line..., not part of the solution.

I wasn't the one that said that Buford sexually assaulted his stepdaughter although I am aware that this story exists. That story was told by a Selmer police officer who knew Buford well as he served at the same time while Pusser was sheriff. I can't and wouldn't take credit for spreading that story around on forums regardless of it is true or not, although that seems to be exactly what YOU are doing right, here right now. Talk abiout spineless..., blaming others for what you are doing...., now that truly is spineless.

Again, if you researched the story as you claimed, then you would already know all of this story and much more..., wouldn't you. The real question is why aren't you "trying to set the record straight"?

Many of the people who have said that Buford had committed criminal acts had no problem attaching thier own names to the the stories they told. They were not hiding from the truth..., they were promoting it.

Somehow I find it strange that you are afraid to use your real name as you libel and slander mine, so if you really have no problem "setting the record straight" then you now have an opportunity to start by identifying yourself..., or are you just going to hide behind your keyboard?


It is funny the way you twist and contort words so that they appear yo work for you.

You talked about the abuse concerning his step-daughter on your own forum.

And, I have not slandered or libeled your name. Get a dictionary or consult an attorney.

Further, not once have I stated that I am afraid to use my name. Nor, has anyone ever asked my name. For the record, my name is Bob D'Angelo and I have no reason nor justification to praise or vilify Buford Pusser, and, as a matter of fact, neither do you.
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by slinger:
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Originally posted by doobiebrother88:
do you guys follow each other all over the internet insulting each other? at least mike has the balls to use his real name, i suspect yours starts with a B.


Not at all. Although I've been reading Elam's opinion and made up stories for years, this is the first time I've gotten so tired of seeing him show up everywhere Pusser's name is mentioned spewing his non-sense, and it was finally time to say something. If you knew him as well as we do, you would know you won't get anything out of him other than hot air and total ignorance of the actual facts and that insults are all that's left in dealing with him.

Oh, and as far as using real names, until you start using yours, I'd keep my trap shut if I were you. You won't look like such a fool.


TO Doobiebrother88:

You will have to excuse slinger. His parents had the same last name BEFORE they got married. As such, he once even claimed he was his own uncle or nephew...I can't remember which. People born under these circumstance often lash out at others in an irrational manner. I am an example of this "lashing out" process that slinger goes through as he often comments on my wieght without ever giving a thought to his own severely enlarged forehead and blank stare.

Slinger is hoping for a bango playing role in the up coming remake of "Deliverance". I truly hope he gets it..., he needs a break.



Very professional, Elam!
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Originally posted by RETIREDLEO:
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by slinger:
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Originally posted by doobiebrother88:
do you guys follow each other all over the internet insulting each other? at least mike has the balls to use his real name, i suspect yours starts with a B.




Not at all. Although I've been reading Elam's opinion and made up stories for years, this is the first time I've gotten so tired of seeing him show up everywhere Pusser's name is mentioned spewing his non-sense, and it was finally time to say something. If you knew him as well as we do, you would know you won't get anything out of him other than hot air and total ignorance of the actual facts and that insults are all that's left in dealing with him.

Oh, and as far as using real names, until you start using yours, I'd keep my trap shut if I were you. You won't look like such a fool.


TO Doobiebrother88:

You will have to excuse slinger. His parents had the same last name BEFORE they got married. As such, he once even claimed he was his own uncle or nephew...I can't remember which. People born under these circumstance often lash out at others in an irrational manner. I am an example of this "lashing out" process that slinger goes through as he often comments on my wieght without ever giving a thought to his own severely enlarged forehead and blank stare.

Slinger is hoping for a bango playing role in the up coming remake of "Deliverance". I truly hope he gets it..., he needs a break.



Very professional, Elam!
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Originally posted by RETIREDLEO:
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by slinger:
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Originally posted by doobiebrother88:
do you guys follow each other all over the internet insulting each other? at least mike has the balls to use his real name, i suspect yours starts with a B.




Not at all. Although I've been reading Elam's opinion and made up stories for years, this is the first time I've gotten so tired of seeing him show up everywhere Pusser's name is mentioned spewing his non-sense, and it was finally time to say something. If you knew him as well as we do, you would know you won't get anything out of him other than hot air and total ignorance of the actual facts and that insults are all that's left in dealing with him.

Oh, and as far as using real names, until you start using yours, I'd keep my trap shut if I were you. You won't look like such a fool.


TO Doobiebrother88:

You will have to excuse slinger. His parents had the same last name BEFORE they got married. As such, he once even claimed he was his own uncle or nephew...I can't remember which. People born under these circumstance often lash out at others in an irrational manner. I am an example of this "lashing out" process that slinger goes through as he often comments on my wieght without ever giving a thought to his own severely enlarged forehead and blank stare.

Slinger is hoping for a bango playing role in the up coming remake of "Deliverance". I truly hope he gets it..., he needs a break.



Very professional, Elam!
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Originally posted by slinger:
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Originally posted by doobiebrother88:
do you guys follow each other all over the internet insulting each other? at least mike has the balls to use his real name, i suspect yours starts with a B.


Not at all. Although I've been reading Elam's opinion and made up stories for years, this is the first time I've gotten so tired of seeing him show up everywhere Pusser's name is mentioned spewing his non-sense, and it was finally time to say something. If you knew him as well as we do, you would know you won't get anything out of him other than hot air and total ignorance of the actual facts and that insults are all that's left in dealing with him.

Oh, and as far as using real names, until you start using yours, I'd keep my trap shut if I were you. You won't look like such a fool.



you started the insults cause you are obssessed with mike, you really do follow him around cause arguing with him gives your meaningless life a pitiful purpose. oh and i am sorry but buford was as dirty as they come. time to pick a new hero.
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Originally posted by Blanka:
Seeing how much of Pusser's legacy seems to be debatable, I believe that that this gun could have been involved in some capacity.

We have heard many sides of the Pusser story in this thread, but it is highly unlikely that any single person knows the entire truth about Pusser.


I disagree that this gun could have been used in the alleged ambush and this is only because Buford stated that the weapon used was an .30 caliber M1 carbine, which is a much smaller and more compact weapon.

In a letter from Lead TBI Investigator Warren Jones to OSBI Agent Jack Hill, Jones addressed that Buford had stated that three men were in the alleged Cadillac that ambushed him. Jones also indicated the the gun man was in the front passenger's seat of that vehicle. Buford was only 3 to 5 feet from the gun man when he allegedly opened fire. I would assume that Buford would have got at least a brief glimps of the weapon being used and there are major differences in the appearance of an M1 carbine and a Browning 1919. You can find photos of both by doing a simple Internet search and you will see what I mean.

Also, there were only 14 shots fired in the alleged ambush. The M1 used a 15 round magazine where as the Browning 1919 required the use of an ammo belt with an ammo capacity that far exceeded that of the M1.

Question: Why use a machine gun like the Browning 1919 and fire only 14 shots? With the Browning 1919 you could have simply kept on firing as its ammunition capacity was so much greater than the carbine's 15 round clip. A Browning 1919 could have cut Pusser's Plymouth Fury to ribbons, yet Pusser survived the alleged attack with only his chin being shot off. Why take a gun like the Browning to the ambush, but not use it to its fullest capacity?

Also, the Browning 1919 generally required the use of a tripod to operate the cumbersome weapon. The photo of the recovered gun shows no tripod.

There are just too many things that point to a different weapon as the one being used in the alleged ambush.

Personally I go back to the question I always ask. How do you shoot at a man the size of Buford Pusser so many times at a distance of 3 to 5 feet and only manage to score one hit, and still not manage to kill him.

The answer I always come up with is that there was no ambush. The alleged ambush was Pusser's cover story to try and explain away the death of his wife, Pauline Pusser.
you still here espam?

let's see Buford faked the whole ambush, but since he said it was another type of weapon used this couldn't be the one.. nice espam.. nice

and you accuse a dead man who can't defend himself of killing the mother of a woman who is still alive and lives quite close to our community and is liable to see your baseless, unfounded, no evidence whatsoever accusation against her deceased mother and father on this forum.. you are quite a piece of work espam.. you deserve to have your fat arse kicked all over the place punk
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Originally posted by unclegus:
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Originally posted by mikeelam:


Slinger is hoping for a bango playing role in the up coming remake of "Deliverance". I truly hope he gets it..., he needs a break.


What is a Bango?


hey unc?, my guess is that he meant banJo...since there was a guy in deliverance who played a banjo thats probably what he meant.
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
you still here espam?

let's see Buford faked the whole ambush, but since he said it was another type of weapon used this couldn't be the one.. nice espam.. nice

and you accuse a dead man who can't defend himself of killing the mother of a woman who is still alive and lives quite close to our community and is liable to see your baseless, unfounded, no evidence whatsoever accusation against her deceased mother and father on this forum.. you are quite a piece of work espam.. you deserve to have your fat arse kicked all over the place punk


Unfounded? Do you suggest that this women who is alive and lives close to your community has never wondered as I have about how someone could be such a short distance from her daddy, fire 12 rounds at him and only hit him once? I think she has. Do yuo think she has never heard before that both her mom and dad had affairs? Are you suggesting that she has never heard that her dad accepted payoffs? It appears to be common knowledge down there that he did.

Did you read the Selmer newspaper when the Museum obtained the Corvette that Buford was driving when he was killed..., a car that this woman you refer to claimed that years earlier the cat had been stolen from her? The museum made some quick corrections on that story letting people know it was was not stolen as reported. Have you seen the videos where this woman says that Buford fought not only the state line mob, but the mobs from Detroit and Chicago as well. Tell me..., why would she believe that the mobs from Detroit and Chicago would have any interest in a southern Tennessee county that had a total population of 18,000 people. This same person wags an ax handle to public speaking events. Don't you think she knows that all of that story about her daddy enforcing the law with a big stick is pure bunk?

I will bet she knows the score better than either you or I seem to.

Now as far as ole Buford goes, it didn't seem to let it bother him too much when be bad mouthed people (living or dead) or even accpted credit, by his lack of denial, that he killed the men who allegedly murdered his wife. He even allowed people to believe that he also killed Towhead White. Why don't you address Buford's misgivings here?

You say I deserve to have my fat "arse" kicked? Who is going to kick it...you???? LOL, we both know thats not going to happen..., don't we PUNK.
are there no moderators in these forums to do something about this agitating scum bucket?

well fatman.. I would bet even you could move that fat arse pretty fast if somebody was shooting at it, The impact from a hit in the face could easily have put Buford on the floor of the vehicle or sprawled across the seat making it difficult to get any lead in him. You claim to be a big fat doughnut eating investigator so you should know there are no rules in these kinds of events..

Your seething hatred for Dwana and the Pusser family shines right through your post espam.. just take your service revolver, point it at your head and pull the trigger.. then you can be happy, the world will be a better place and the Pusser family can live in peace without your never ending obsessive onslaught of hateful bile about their family members who are deceased.

Reads to me like you are still mad that Dwana wouldn't let you hold and play with Bufford's pistol.

as far as me lighting your fat arse up.. I'd be happy to oblige, bring it around here talking that trash about this family who have endured so many tragedies that you think it's your place to ridicule, scorn and cause grief year after year and I will put my boot right on up in your fat arse.. I guarantee it like George Zimmer guarantees a cheap suit fatboy.
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saving this garbage so a mod can hopefully see it and ban this creepy bag of crap

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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
you still here espam?

let's see Buford faked the whole ambush, but since he said it was another type of weapon used this couldn't be the one.. nice espam.. nice

and you accuse a dead man who can't defend himself of killing the mother of a woman who is still alive and lives quite close to our community and is liable to see your baseless, unfounded, no evidence whatsoever accusation against her deceased mother and father on this forum.. you are quite a piece of work espam.. you deserve to have your fat arse kicked all over the place punk


Unfounded? Do you suggest that this women who is alive and lives close to your community has never wondered as I have about how someone could be such a short distance from her daddy, fire 12 rounds at him and only hit him once? I think she has. Do yuo think she has never heard before that both her mom and dad had affairs? Are you suggesting that she has never heard that her dad accepted payoffs? It appears to be common knowledge down there that he did.

Did you read the Selmer newspaper when the Museum obtained the Corvette that Buford was driving when he was killed..., a car that this woman you refer to claimed that years earlier the cat had been stolen from her? The museum made some quick corrections on that story letting people know it was was not stolen as reported. Have you seen the videos where this woman says that Buford fought not only the state line mob, but the mobs from Detroit and Chicago as well. Tell me..., why would she believe that the mobs from Detroit and Chicago would have any interest in a southern Tennessee county that had a total population of 18,000 people. This same person wags an ax handle to public speaking events. Don't you think she knows that all of that story about her daddy enforcing the law with a big stick is pure bunk?

I will bet she knows the score better than either you or I seem to.

Now as far as ole Buford goes, it didn't seem to let it bother him too much when be bad mouthed people (living or dead) or even accpted credit, by his lack of denial, that he killed the men who allegedly murdered his wife. He even allowed people to believe that he also killed Towhead White. Why don't you address Buford's misgivings here?

You say I deserve to have my fat "arse" kicked? Who is going to kick it...you???? LOL, we both know thats not going to happen..., don't we PUNK.
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
TO Doobiebrother88:

You will have to excuse slinger. His parents had the same last name BEFORE they got married. As such, he once even claimed he was his own uncle or nephew...I can't remember which. People born under these circumstance often lash out at others in an irrational manner. I am an example of this "lashing out" process that slinger goes through as he often comments on my wieght without ever giving a thought to his own severely enlarged forehead and blank stare.

Slinger is hoping for a bango playing role in the up coming remake of "Deliverance". I truly hope he gets it..., he needs a break.


There's the real Elam. Two opportunities to dispute a real, iron clad fact and this is what he comes up with.

Like I said Buffet Boy, you have nothing.
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Originally posted by doobiebrother88:
you started the insults cause you are obssessed with mike, you really do follow him around cause arguing with him gives your meaningless life a pitiful purpose. oh and i am sorry but buford was as dirty as they come. time to pick a new hero.


I still don't see your real name pothead. I'll hazard a guess that it's Elam. Your reading and comprehension skills are the same, lacking.
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Originally posted by doobiebrother88:
hmmm, did i start posting shortly after mike elam? no i have been here awhile. wait , you started posting right after elam did and your first post started with an insult;so maybe you are obsessed with him. oh and by the way buford was a crook, pretty much common knowledge to anyone who lived in that area in the late 60's which i did.


Doobie.., these guys have nothing to contribute to the conversation. If they did, they would have put it out there by now. They could care less about what the truth really is.
I suppose somewhere between the insults and the name calling I could have missed the answer to this question.

I don't think anyone disputes that Pusser was shot in the face during the ambush.

In order to believe the ambush was a setup, we would have to believe he either killed his wife and then carried out an elaborate coverup concluding with him shooting himself or he was shot by his wife, after which he killed her and then carried out an elaborate cover-up.

Either seems highly unlikely.
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Originally posted by Sam:
I suppose somewhere between the insults and the name calling I could have missed the answer to this question.

I don't think anyone disputes that Pusser was shot in the face during the ambush.

In order to believe the ambush was a setup, we would have to believe he either killed his wife and then carried out an elaborate coverup concluding with him shooting himself or he was shot by his wife, after which he killed her and then carried out an elaborate cover-up.

Either seems highly unlikely.


Pauline had threatned to leave Buford and report his corruption (accepting payoff's etc) according to Pualine's best friend Lavon Plunk. Lavon was the wife of Deputy Peatie Plunk. Lavon was reported to have told Jerry Hea**** of the Condo News that she dropped Pauline off at the Pusser's Adamsville residence in the early morning hours of August 12th. Lavon refused to go into the house with Pauline as she was very fearful of Buford. Lavon was afraid that he might come home while she was there. Before she left the area Buford did indeed get home and a few minutes later Lavon heard a gun shot. Lavon left the area only to learn a few hours later that Pauline had been killed in an alleged ambush meant for Buford. It should be noted that Lavon told me that she thinks Buford murdered Pauline. At any rate this event was reported in the Condo News in 1981.

Some people suggest that the shot that Lavon heard was Pauline shooting Buford in the face. Others suggest that Buford shot Pauline, took her to New Hope Road and then shot himself to make it look like she was killed in an ambush meant for him.

Still others believe that Buford met someone on New Hope Road and they shot and killed Pauline, for Buford then wounded Buford to make it appear to be an ambush.

The point is that had Buford and Pauline were having severe marital problems, a fact that had not been missed by TBI Investigator Warren Jones.

If Pauline had been allowed to return to her parents home in Haysi Viginia during their alleged "vacation" they were leaving on that very day, things may have gone badly for Buford. He had no guarentees that she would return with him to Adamsville when it was time to go home. If she followed up on her threat and was allowed to contact the TBI or FBI from the safety of her parents home and reported Buford's corruption, Buford and some of his friend's would have been facing jail time.

Desparate men do desparate things when they are backed into a corner..., and that is exactly where Pusser had found himself.

Buford had had no problems with the state line since February of 1966 when he killed Louise Hath****. Towhead White had been in prison since September of 1965 and was not scheduled for release until 1969. The Shamrock and the White Iris had been sold off to satisfy back taxes owed to the IRS. The state line had been quiet for eighteen months.

No one was a bigger threat to Buford at that time than his own angry wife.
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by doobiebrother88:
hmmm, did i start posting shortly after mike elam? no i have been here awhile. wait , you started posting right after elam did and your first post started with an insult;so maybe you are obsessed with him. oh and by the way buford was a crook, pretty much common knowledge to anyone who lived in that area in the late 60's which i did.


and you don't have a clue fatboy.. I've heard opinions from sources just as credible as your bull that Buford didn't die in the Corvette that day and that the burnt body was a cadaver from the coroners office and that Buford was whisked away to secret witness type of program...
I don't get you sadistic ramblings aimed at the Pusser family espam.. just shows that for some reason you have some personal problem.

Doobie.., these guys have nothing to contribute to the conversation. If they did, they would have put it out there by now. They could care less about what the truth really is.
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by doobiebrother88:
hmmm, did i start posting shortly after mike elam? no i have been here awhile. wait , you started posting right after elam did and your first post started with an insult;so maybe you are obsessed with him. oh and by the way buford was a crook, pretty much common knowledge to anyone who lived in that area in the late 60's which i did.


and you don't have a clue fatboy.. I've heard opinions from sources just as credible as your bull that Buford didn't die in the Corvette that day and that the burnt body was a cadaver from the coroners office and that Buford was whisked away to secret witness type of program...
I don't get you sadistic ramblings aimed at the Pusser family espam.. just shows that for some reason you have some personal problem.

Doobie.., these guys have nothing to contribute to the conversation. If they did, they would have put it out there by now. They could care less about what the truth really is.


So they had an open casket funeral and they just happened to find a cadaver the same size and one that looked just like Buford Pusser for the whole world to see? There was no burned body, Buford was thrown clear of the Corvette.

Doobie..., I told this guy has nothing to contribute to the conversation...and he just proved it.
The whole ambush was a hoax theory is based on Buford either shooting himself or allowing an accomplice to shoot him.

As the old saying goes, it's not a secret if more than one person knows. It's not likely Buford would use an accomplice.

The problem with most of these conspiracy theories is that they become too elaborate.

Generally speaking, when there are competing explanations on an event, the simplest one is usually correct.

In this case, it's the ambush. Not the cover up.
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Originally posted by Sam:
The whole ambush was a hoax theory is based on Buford either shooting himself or allowing an accomplice to shoot him.

As the old saying goes, it's not a secret if more than one person knows. It's not likely Buford would use an accomplice.

The problem with most of these conspiracy theories is that they become too elaborate.

Generally speaking, when there are competing explanations on an event, the simplest one is usually correct.

In this case, it's the ambush. Not the cover up.


Sam, at the second ambush site Buford said the Cadillac stopped beside his car and the gun man in the front passengers seat opened fire.

The cars were 3 to 5 feet apart on that narrow road. Twelve shot were fired at that short distance yet the gun man only hit Buford only once according to Assistant TBI Director Watson.

What is the simple answer here? Please don't tell me the gun man was blind folded.
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Originally posted by Sam:
The whole ambush was a hoax theory is based on Buford either shooting himself or allowing an accomplice to shoot him.

As the old saying goes, it's not a secret if more than one person knows. It's not likely Buford would use an accomplice.

The problem with most of these conspiracy theories is that they become too elaborate.

Generally speaking, when there are competing explanations on an event, the simplest one is usually correct.

In this case, it's the ambush. Not the cover up.


In all seriousness, Buford was accustomed to using accomplices. For instance when he robbed the Plantation Club he had two friends with him..., Jerry Wright and Marvin King Jr. W.O. Hath**** identified Marvin King Jr, not Buford Pusser, as the person that beat him with a blunt object. Of course in the "Walking Tall" they showed Buford going it alone in the fight using a big stick, but court records and newspaper reports from the time tell a very different story than "Walking Tall".
Mike,

History books are filled with stories of point blank misses. But your assesment is wrong. His wife was hit twice I believe and he once.

As to the accomplice theory, your statement actually supports my assertion. You cite examples of known accomplices. How did you know about them? Because stories get out. If there had been accomplices here, I would think we would have heard of them also.
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Originally posted by Sam:
Mike,

History books are filled with stories of point blank misses. But your assesment is wrong. His wife was hit twice I believe and he once.

As to the accomplice theory, your statement actually supports my assertion. You cite examples of known accomplices. How did you know about them? Because stories get out. If there had been accomplices here, I would think we would have heard of them also.


Stories are out about accomplices. Thats my point. They just haven't gotten the attention they should because of the movie "Walking Tall" which was a highly fictionalized version of events.

You make my point.., look at what your doing right now. Even as I tell you that there were accomplices named you want to deny it before you even look into it.

Do me a favor take a rifle, position yourself 3 to 5 feet away from a target the size of Buford fire twelve times and see how many times you can hit it.


There was a total of 14 shot allegedly fired during the ambush. Two shots fired at the first ambush site where Pauline was hit once and 12 at the second ambush site 2.1 mile from the first site, where Pauline was hit a second time.

Tell me also, Pauline was have the size of Buford and he was sitting in between the gunman and Pauline yet she is hit twice..., how did that happen, especially if at the second site she was laying in the seat? All of the shoots entered through the side windows according to a later drafted by the TBI.

There was blood spatter all over the hood of the car even though the Pussers were inside the Fury and the windshield was left intact.

All of this indicates there was no ambush as related by Buford.

Also, why, with all of the leads provided them, was the TBI never able to develope leads good enough to make a single arrest?
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Originally posted by Sam:
Mike,

History books are filled with stories of point blank misses. But your assesment is wrong. His wife was hit twice I believe and he once.

As to the accomplice theory, your statement actually supports my assertion. You cite examples of known accomplices. How did you know about them? Because stories get out. If there had been accomplices here, I would think we would have heard of them also.


Sam, I'm not trying to be argumenative here but you are not comparing apples to apples when you "History books are filled with point blank misses". We are talking about an assassination attempt here..., not a spur of the moment police shootout where misses are the norm.

Most professional assassins accomplish what they set out to do because the shooting is planned and they are not making split second decisions. They know what they want to accomplish before they attempt it. Look at all of the mob hits in New York City and Chicago over the years as evidence of what I say. The intended target usually dies. This did not happen with Buford even though the gun man was only three to five feet away from him.

To clear up another matter, in the post we are speaking of I was referencing what happened at the second anbush site which was 2.1 miles from the first.

At the first site only two shots were fired, one of which hit Pauline. Buford claimed he "sped up" and stopped 2.1 miles further down the road as he though he had lost his pursuers. He said he checked on Pauline then opened his door to get out but "they were on me again". Twelve addition shots were fire at this site as the cars were stopped side by side. One additional shot hit Pauline and one hit Buford at this location. Two plus twelve.., fourteen shots fired in total.

A document penned by then TBI Assistant Director Steve Watson lists each shot and where they hit is posted in the file section of crimemyths. It is referred to as the "McCleese" letter. This letter helps one to understand that all shots entering Pusser's Fury entered the driver's side windows.

You also need to understand that the shell casings were found in a very unlikely spot at the second ambush site. While Pusser stated that the gunman was positioned in the front passenger seat, the shell casings were found on the shoulder of the road on the opposite side (behind) the shooter. I have a video link posted as well of an M1 carbine being fired which shows that the casings should have been ejected inside the Cadillac or in the middle of the road, but not in a small pile on the opposite side of the cadillac from the shooter.

When evaluated piece by piece, nothing about Pusser's version of the ambush seems to fit.

The blood spatter on the hood is another example of this. A photo of Pusser's Fury with blood spatter on the hood is also posted on crimemyths. If the windshield was left intact during the ambush and neither Pauline of Buford exited the Fury as Pusser described, then how did so much blood spatter get on the hood and whose is it?

Just some food for thought.

Mike

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