man get year for attacking coach.

Here is link: http://timesdaily.com/stories/...stories&town_id=

Of course, John Odem could be lying about the wife's disability.

Size and Smile? I used those terms. What other features would make him a bully? His eyes too closely set? What?

Size and Smile? I used those terms. What other features would make him a bully? His eyes too closely set? What?

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Maybe the fact that he attacked someone, then lied about the attack might give the impression to the poster that he's a bully. You took it from there, mentioning his eyes and size, no smile. So I guess you figure all that means a person is a bully. Bullies come in all sizes, ages, sexes.

His attorney, David Odem, of Florence, said Jenkins’ wife is disabled and he is needed at home to help with their five adopted children.

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Uh oh, adopted? So does that mean they're going to be beaten and raped, or is that only foster children? I didn't realize that people so disabled that they couldn't care for children were allowed to adopt. Well, I'd say that's one more reason he shouldn't have been at the school attacking the coach.

No, Semi said he "looked" like a bully. I'm asking how someone looks like a bully.

No, semi said it was her "impression" and he had the "appearance". Appearance also means- 

An impression given by someone or something, although this may be misleading: "she read it with every appearance of interest".

Describe his actions to someone and it is quite possible they will say, "well from all appearances (how things seem), I'd say he was a bully." 

It's getting silly now, and you're just splitting hairs. He did this to himself and his wife and kids. He's going to prison, his doing. 

It's been a very spirited conversation so far.

I'll just leave it at that. 

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No, Semi said "appearance" of a bully. You seem to know this man & what happened, that the truth wasn't told. Enlighten us.

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Really, Semi? Here you mention acting and looking separately:

So what you see in a photo is not the true likeness of a person? Have you ever looked at someone & had a strong feeling of something good/bad about that person?  I never said anything about his size or lack of a smile. I said he looks like a bully & according to the people that saw the video of what happened, he acted like a bully that day.

Just last week I was walking in downtown Florence with a friend. We passed a woman in her late 50s (at least) with spiked hair and more eyeliner than a raccoon. My friend said, "She must be some $%^&*." I tut-tutted my friend; next time I'll just say, "Well, the way she looks she sure must be one."

So your friend is "catty". Make up on a woman is pretty natural and standard, and to see one over do it is not unusual at all.  Is your friend a plain jane maybe?

Back to the word appearance, again, from all appearances means-1st appearance of him being a bully- He approached the coach, confronted him. 2nd "appearance" of him being a bully-he attacked the coach. 3rd appearance of him being a bully/thug-he lied about the attack.  

Unanswered questions/unknown facts-IF the "yelling" at his child was such a major/upsetting issue, why hadn't he done something before this? He was supposedly so upset that he attacked the coach, but yet he had never approached anyone at the school to complain about it before this? Had any other parents made any complaints? Did he bother to find out if the kid was telling the truth? I mean heck, the kid was living with a liar, so maybe he lied about the coach yelling at him.

Other odd things-why the need to mention that the kids were adopted? Sounds like the lawyer knew his client was in deep doo doo and was trying to paint him in a better light. He and his lawyer waived a jury trial, why? Maybe because they knew a jury wouldn't buy his story and would be harder on him than the judge. You didn't answer the question about how a disabled person that isn't capable of taking care of children, gets to adopt them, and why foster parents, you say, rape and beat kids but adoptive parents don't.  Are they even legally adopted, or some family members kids that they were taking care of? One thing too, what exactly was he "protecting his son" from the day he attacked the coach? So instead of trying to muddy the waters over the word "appearance", answer those questions.

I can tell you what I have heard. Just hearing something does not make it so, but a well placed source has stated Mr. Jenkins had previously complained to the principal and nothing was done.

It would seem Coach Krieger treated the 8 yr. olds just like he treated his high school basketball team. If that's the case, the coach was out of line. That does not mean he deserved to be hit, struck, beaten, etc. As for the video, if it was just from one angle, Krieger could have made a move that wasn't seen on the tape.

As for Mr. Odem stating the children were adopted, I don't know his motive and I consider him out of line to have done that. The remark about foster parents mistreating children was a parody of Semi's remark about prison rape. She was just saying it could happen, so I was just saying it could happen. See how that works?

Before Jones announced his decision, Jenkins apologized to Krieger and his family.

“I know what I did was wrong. I regret it. I have regretted it since the day it happened,” Jenkins said.

Odem said Jenkins has undergone counseling and is in an anger management program.

Nuff' said.

2. What kind of person wants to see anyone raped in prison? Sad.

Now the taxpayers will have to support his five children.

I know what you were trying to do.

BTW kate, in his booking photo he has an earring. In the last photo he doesn't. Why not? Did they  decide the earring was "sending the wrong message"? If so, was he or his lawyer that thought that?  Let me say before you jump, earrings on a man don't mean anything to me one way or the other.

Best, I think he's guilty. Period. It's his sentence I disagree with. I will say that issues involving children and other family can be highly charged emotionally. It will be interesting to see how a higher court reacts to his appeal.

The earring? You may have no opinion, but I prefer my men sans earrings. The second photo, I assume, was his booking immediately following his sentencing. I'm sure the lack of an earring was totally for Judge Jones' benefit.

Why don't you agree with his sentence? What do you think would have been fair? He could have been sent away for 60 months, but instead he only got a year. How much time would you like for someone who is guilty of attacking you to get? Others might argue that he should have to do the entire 60 months in prison. Maybe the year in prison will give him a chance to get his "highly charged emotions" under control, and maybe make someone else think twice before confronting and assaulting another person. 

Jenkins did not use a weapon. In other words, no gun, no knife, no garrot. In almost any case, this would have been third degree assault, a misdemeanor, tried in district court. Let's say Chris Krieger ticks some goon off on the golf course and the same thing happens. You know the miscreant isn't going to get a year in prison.

Well, I don't really know about "goons" on a golf course, don't know why he'd "tick" them off, and I have no idea and neither do you, what kind of time they'd spend in prison. And again, what did the coach do to "tick" him off? HE approached and confronted the coach. Maybe the coach "sassed" him, and the big man wasn't gonna have any of that. So how much time should he get? 

How much time? We discussed Allan Wilson. He got 90 days, with 30 to serve in jail and 60 on probation. Don't remember the fine.

Another recent case in a North Alabama county: The assailant got 90 days suspended and 500.00 fine.

Judge Jones is using this law to jack up the crime to Second Degree Assault:

(5) With intent to cause physical injury to a teacher or to an employee of a public educational institution during or as a result of the performance of his or her duty, he or she causes physical injury to any person.

I don't know what Odem will argue on appeal, but I would think the "result of the performance of his duty" won't play since he will argue it wasn't Krieger's duty to verbally mistreat the 8 yr. old. Was it the coach's duty to talk to Jenkins? That may depend on how long they talked before things got heated. Several unknown factors there.

Please, the guy should have never hit the coach that is assault!! How do you know the coach was out of line with the kids?  You only have the the dads word on it, some people think their kids do no wrong and can do anything but that is not the real world.  Remember this guy?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/...orced-150533694.html

We need more accountability not less, there are repercussions to actions.

 Several unknown factors there.

And there you have it. Unknown, except to the judge and the others involved. So there is NO way you can say the sentence wasn't fair. 

How typical you post for more gun control and then post for reduced sentence for someone breaking the law by assaulting someone.  Usually this type of thing escalates once someone realizes they can get away with small infractions.

I agree with the sentence.  You don't protect your child from a yelling teacher by beating them up.  You make appointments with the administration.  If nothing is done, and the coach continues then you make appointments with the superintendent.  If you meet with the super and nothing is done, then you get legal help.   and, if the wife is disabled and the kids are "adopted", it is most likely they are living on taxpayer money anyway.  Just sayin. 

In Tennessee,  a church of christ preacher is killed in bed by his wife and she gets about one week in prison.  In Alabama, a guy hits a teacher and gets a year.  Go figure

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That wife lived in abuse daily & though wrong, saw killing that preacher as the only way out. Much different than a man that puts his child in a situation where he will probably get yelled at & then decides to beat up the yeller. Huge difference. 

Since we don't know what was on the tape, we don't know if Judge Jones knew or not what moves each man may have made. I'll guess Jones knows exactly what Krieger was doing when Jenkins stopped him. If he wasn't going or coming from a meeting or supervising a lunch, then he was not performing duties, and that could make one basis for an appeal.

The lack of fairness comes in how others in a similar position have been sentenced.

I too would like to know the circumstances of his children, but placing "adopted" in quotes is crude and hurtful.

I too would like to know the circumstances of his children, but placing "adopted" in quotes is crude and hurtful.

How so? Was it crude and hurtful for his lawyer to point out they're adopted? Was that acceptable to you because he was trying to garner sympathy for his client? And yes, one of the unknown facts I'd love to know is how a disabled person, supposedly unable to care for children, is allowed to adopt. The first to see the video, the investigators, said it did not support jenkins claim that he was defending himself. The judge saw the same video and came to the same conclusion. I don't know when the judge viewed it, before or after jenkins admitted he was wrong, but I would think it would have something to do with the judges decision.  I don't really care where the coach was or what he was doing, the fact remains that he was attacked for no reason, and jenkins had to be pulled off of him before he could cause the coach more harm. What would have happened IF he hadn't caught the coach off guard?

I think that's what he did, the coach is approached and next thing you know jenkins is swinging, making sure the coach IS off guard.

Someone mentioned the preacher's wife. Yes, she got away with cold bloodied murder. Way too many people get away with things. Jenkins didn't, I'm sure he thought he would because he knew he was going to lie and claim the coach made a threatening move towards him. If this keeps up we'll still be debating it after he's done his time. The other poster had it right. Jenkins could have complained, kept complaining until he got to the one that would do something IF he even had a valid complaint. Again, facts not known. Was the coach even yelling at his kid? Did the kid lie? How does the kid act in PE? Does he do what he's told or is he disruptive to the class? Any parents back up the story? Any other kids yelled at and upset?

 I guess no one will ever know all the facts, so I'm not going to second guess the judge that did hear them.

There is just too much intensity enveloping the business of kiddie sports.  Too much intensity on the part of parents, coaches, and sometimes the kids themselves.  This wacky assault never should have happened and it would not have happened if those concerned had been a bit more laid back and less intense and demanding.

Two points, best. I've previously stated that I didn't agree with Mr. Odem's pointing out that the children were adopted. At least the TD didn't place the word in quotes.

Second, for Jenkens' attack on Krieger to have been Second Degree Assault, the coach had to have been interrupted in his duties. Was he? It's possible. It's also possible that he was on a lunch or other break. He obviously wasn't in either the classroom or the gym.

And Contendah is certainly right. Whether Krieger yelled at only the Jenkins child or all of them, an eight year old isn't a voluntary high school athlete and shouldn't be treated like one--if that was the case.

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You know I agreed with just about everything you said until the last. Really? You just had to throw that out? Proof?

How would you feel if someone pointed out that the coach is "living on tax payer money"? In for a penny, in for a pound. To put it another way, "that sword cuts both ways".

Ohhhhhh.........just sayin'

I saw this story when it was first reported. He was on disability too, from the results of obesity. I wonder if he lost his check after he lost his disability. He lost 140 pounds or more too.

...THIS IS INCREDIBLE. Arthur Boorman was paratrooper in the Gulf War. Thousands of jumps and a few years later he became grossly overweight and doctors told him he'd never be able to walk on his own again. He remained defeated for 15 years. Then one day he read an article about Diamond Dallas Page doing yoga (I was unaware he was a yoga man) and he decided to give it a shot. 10 months later, he can RUN on his own.

http://www.brobible.com/life/v...-veteran-walks-again

You know I agreed with just about everything you said until the last. Really? You just had to throw that out? Proof?

How would you feel if someone pointed out that the coach is "living on tax payer money"? In for a penny, in for a pound. To put it another way, "that sword cuts both ways".

Ohhhhhh.........just sayin'

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My answer would be that the coach is working for his tax payer money.  It's called a job.  I don't know the family and there are lots of people who really need disablity money.  I also know there are many more people who draw a check and do not try to work in any way when they are more than capable.  If the man accused can beat up a teacher, surely he also has the physical capablity to work and not live off the government.  One of the above posters said he drew disability as well.  As for putting adopted in quotation marks, I was questioning whether these children were foster children (which Mr. Jenkins could also receive money from the government for these foster children)  or if they were actually adopted.   I'd be willing to bet that they are foster children.   I do agree that I shouldn't make generalizations, but the wording in the article and on this forum had me curious.  Also, I believe attacking a teacher at school carries more consequences that just attacking someone at a private home or business or on the street.  I believe it is considered a felony.  Someone correct me here if I'm wrong.

The coach was at school when this happened and I would say talking to parents at school about their kids would be part of his duties.

I don't personally now Coach Krieger and perhaps yelling at the students was unwarranted.  However, I do know that teacher's hands are tied when it comes to disciplining students.  They aren't allowed to paddle.  Principals don't want teachers to give out writing assignments as punishment because that will make the kids not like writing.  PE teachers aren't supposed to give physical types of punishment such as laps or push ups.   What is a teacher to do to give out punishment if it is needed?  Also, many PE teachers are required to walk their classes to and from PE.  Maybe this is what Krieger was doing in the hallway?  If so, he would be performing a duty.  Just a few ideas.  I am a teacher as well so maybe I am biased.   I do mean it when I say teacher's hands are tied when it comes to discipline.  The only punishment teachers can give is a time-out type of punishment or taking away something (silent lunch, moving child away from other kids).  While this does work with many young children, it is much less effective the older they get.  The whole thing was an unfortunate event.  That is for sure!

Softball1 said: Also, I believe attacking a teacher at school carries more consequences that just attacking someone at a private home or business or on the street.  I believe it is considered a felony.  Someone correct me here if I'm wrong.

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That is the whole point. If he had attacked someone in a place of business it would have been Third Degree Assault, a misdemeanor. Attacking a teacher who is going about his/her duty is Second Degree Assault, a felony.

Allen Wilson, although a teacher himself, was arrested for Second Degree Assault, but a jury convicted him of only Third Degree Assault.

As for the child being unruly, he could have been, but he was in second grade at the time. I'm not sure yelling and belittling is the way to handle it at that age.

Well if thats the law then what is the problem?   First you said the coach was not doing his duties etc?  Like it or not certain things are treated differently like speeding fines doubled in a work zone when workers are present ect.

As for the child being unruly, he could have been, but he was in second grade at the time. I'm not sure yelling and belittling is the way to handle it at that age.

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You don't even know IF the coach was yelling, and now it's been upgraded to "belittling" as well? Do you know? I've asked if other parents had complained, I've asked if we can trust that the kid was even telling the truth. We don't know, but the judge heard all the evidence, so he knows what happened, and he ruled on the facts given him. We know jenkins lied, and was caught in the lie, maybe that upset the judge. 

From unclegus 12/21:

 Two wrongs certainly does not make a right, but the teacher maybe should be taught not to belittle the students.