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Someone would have to have sustained a physical injury for an assault charge to be filed. Many "fights" end without that being met. By definition from Alabama Code, physical injury must consist of
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Impairment of physical condition or substantial pain.


Disorderly conduct covers someone who
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Engages in fighting or in violent tumultuous or threatening behavior


So, unless someone had a physical injury, disorderly conduct was the appropriate charge.
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Someone would have to have sustained a physical injury for an assault charge to be filed. Many "fights" end without that being met. By definition from Alabama Code, physical injury must consist of
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Impairment of physical condition or substantial pain.


And the VICTIM would have to pursue those charges - the officer could not make a misdemeanor arrest on scene for assault unless it was s domestic relationship. And these days, even VICTIM's will fight with the LEO to keep someone FROM BEING arrested. Go figure. Call the police and expect them to do NOTHING.
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Originally posted by justwannaknow:
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Someone would have to have sustained a physical injury for an assault charge to be filed. Many "fights" end without that being met. By definition from Alabama Code, physical injury must consist of
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Impairment of physical condition or substantial pain.


And the VICTIM would have to pursue those charges - the officer could not make a misdemeanor arrest on scene for assault unless it was s domestic relationship. And these days, even VICTIM's will fight with the LEO to keep someone FROM BEING arrested. Go figure. Call the police and expect them to do NOTHING.


An officer can arrest, without warrant, for any misdemeanor violation committed in his presence. If he witnessed the assault occur, he could, by code, make an arrest.

Most officers would not make that case unless the victim indicated they would testify for the prosecution.

Code of Alabama 15-10-3...
Arrest without warrant - Generally; definitions; written report.

(a) An officer may arrest a person without a warrant, on any day and at any time in any of the following instances:

(1) If a public offense has been committed or a breach of the peace threatened in the presence of the officer.
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Originally posted by RickyC31:
I drive like a bat out of hell. Needless to say, I have been pulled over several times, more than I care to remember. But guess what, I treat them with respect, and they treat me with respect. It is really strange how that works, and people cannot get this thru that mentality that they have. In any profession.

This. I was stopped just yesterday in Tuscumbia, doing 55 in a 35. The PO had every right to ticket me (and more than one, I might add). I was respectful and courteous, and so was he, and I was let off with a warning. So, not all cops are "complete A-Holes".
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Originally posted by martyr:
fight clubs would be mutual and agreed combat... that wouldn't be any of your concern as it is sport.. so why would you want to get in peoples personal business?


Au contraire...Recklessly creating a risk of public alarm while engaging in a fight in a public venue is prohibited. So it would by my concern.

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Section 13A-11-7
Disorderly conduct.

(a) A person commits the crime of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:

(1) Engages in fighting or in violent tumultuous or threatening behavior


So, if its their "personal business", they need to take it out of the public view.
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by RickyC31:
I drive like a bat out of hell. Needless to say, I have been pulled over several times, more than I care to remember. But guess what, I treat them with respect, and they treat me with respect. It is really strange how that works, and people cannot get this thru that mentality that they have. In any profession.

This. I was stopped just yesterday in Tuscumbia, doing 55 in a 35. The PO had every right to ticket me (and more than one, I might add). I was respectful and courteous, and so was he, and I was let off with a warning. So, not all cops are "complete A-Holes".


I agree. There are plenty of *******s in EVERY profession. Why would cops be any different?
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An officer can arrest, without warrant, for any misdemeanor violation committed in his presence. If he witnessed the assault occur, he could, by code, make an arrest.


Yes, SK, I'm just thinking more about the fights where it mostly stops before the officer sees anything to arrest for. And the "witness/victims" aren't always cooperative, as you said.
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Originally posted by carley:
Just wondering why the Times Daily sometimes publishes the person's name who was arrested and sometimes not? Was there and he was bragging about who he is related to (D.A.) wonder if they don't print names when the person is related to a public figure??


I can't find the original story again but I believe he was charged with disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, and criminal mischief 2nd for the windshield damage. These are all misdemeanors, which the TD normally doesn't print the suspect's name--unless they're a public figure.
Im wondering where the Criminal Mischief 2nd comes in. Criminal Mischief 2nd and Criminal Mischief 3rd are the same except Criminal Mischief 2nd is damage eceeding $500 but not exceeding $2500, class a misdemeanor, and Criminal Mischief 3rd is damage not exceeding $500, class b misdemeanor. Yet Chief Ray stated it would cost $250 to replace the window.
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Man kicks out police car windshield after arrest

Police said a 33-year-old Sheffield man who is accused of being involved in a Sunday morning parking lot fight at Sandbar Lounge kicked out the back window of a police car after he was arrested on several misdemeanor charges.

The charges include resisting arrest, second-degree criminal mischief, public intoxication and disorderly conduct, officials said.

Sheffield Police Chief Greg Ray said the incident occurred just before 2 a.m. in the parking lot where reports indicate about 40 people had gathered to watch the fight. The club is on Hatch Boulevard.

Ray said when officers got to the scene they had to use chemical spray to clear the crowd and separate the two people involved in the fight.

Ray said officers had to use spray to subdue the man, who lives in the 200 block of Terrace Street, Sheffield.

“Once he was in custody, he was handcuffed and placed in the patrol car,” Ray said. “While he was handcuffed, he lays down in the seat and kicks the back window out of the patrol car.”

Ray said it will cost $250 to replace the window


Man kicks out police car windshield after arrest

Chief Ray never mentioned what degree Criminal Mischief it was...lawguy07 mentioned that...and according to the value of $250.00, it is 3rd degree Criminal Mischief, a class B misdemeanor.
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This. I was stopped just yesterday in Tuscumbia, doing 55 in a 35. The PO had every right to ticket me (and more than one, I might add). I was respectful and courteous, and so was he, and I was let off with a warning. So, not all cops are "complete A-Holes".


Exactly.

I'm ALWAYS courteous and cooperative. Works almost as good as being blonde with big....ummmm, eyes.
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by RickyC31:
I drive like a bat out of hell. Needless to say, I have been pulled over several times, more than I care to remember. But guess what, I treat them with respect, and they treat me with respect. It is really strange how that works, and people cannot get this thru that mentality that they have. In any profession.

This. I was stopped just yesterday in Tuscumbia, doing 55 in a 35. The PO had every right to ticket me (and more than one, I might add). I was respectful and courteous, and so was he, and I was let off with a warning. So, not all cops are "complete A-Holes".



Maybe they're just A-Holes to people who don't kiss their butts, but assert their rights as citizens.
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by RickyC31:
I drive like a bat out of hell. Needless to say, I have been pulled over several times, more than I care to remember. But guess what, I treat them with respect, and they treat me with respect. It is really strange how that works, and people cannot get this thru that mentality that they have. In any profession.

This. I was stopped just yesterday in Tuscumbia, doing 55 in a 35. The PO had every right to ticket me (and more than one, I might add). I was respectful and courteous, and so was he, and I was let off with a warning. So, not all cops are "complete A-Holes".



Maybe they're just A-Holes to people who don't kiss their butts, but assert their rights as citizens.


Maybe, they expect you to follow the law so that everyone else can assert their rights as citizens safefully. The severe case of penis envy you're suffering from has made you an angry, bitter individual.
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by RickyC31:
I drive like a bat out of hell. Needless to say, I have been pulled over several times, more than I care to remember. But guess what, I treat them with respect, and they treat me with respect. It is really strange how that works, and people cannot get this thru that mentality that they have. In any profession.

This. I was stopped just yesterday in Tuscumbia, doing 55 in a 35. The PO had every right to ticket me (and more than one, I might add). I was respectful and courteous, and so was he, and I was let off with a warning. So, not all cops are "complete A-Holes".



Maybe they're just A-Holes to people who don't kiss their butts, but assert their rights as citizens.


No. Maybe some just have an irrational view of the world.
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by RickyC31:
I drive like a bat out of hell. Needless to say, I have been pulled over several times, more than I care to remember. But guess what, I treat them with respect, and they treat me with respect. It is really strange how that works, and people cannot get this thru that mentality that they have. In any profession.

This. I was stopped just yesterday in Tuscumbia, doing 55 in a 35. The PO had every right to ticket me (and more than one, I might add). I was respectful and courteous, and so was he, and I was let off with a warning. So, not all cops are "complete A-Holes".



Maybe they're just A-Holes to people who don't kiss their butts, but assert their rights as citizens.

Read this part carefully, because I don't want you to miss it. I WAS IN THE WRONG. 20 MPH over the limit. Qualifies for multiple tickets. Which of my rights was it I was supposed to assert? I was wrong, I treated the officer respectfully (as I should have), and he let me go. If you would have handled that situation differently, maybe you DESERVE to have the cop be an "A-Hole".
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by RickyC31:
I drive like a bat out of hell. Needless to say, I have been pulled over several times, more than I care to remember. But guess what, I treat them with respect, and they treat me with respect. It is really strange how that works, and people cannot get this thru that mentality that they have. In any profession.

This. I was stopped just yesterday in Tuscumbia, doing 55 in a 35. The PO had every right to ticket me (and more than one, I might add). I was respectful and courteous, and so was he, and I was let off with a warning. So, not all cops are "complete A-Holes".



Maybe they're just A-Holes to people who don't kiss their butts, but assert their rights as citizens.

Read this part carefully, because I don't want you to miss it. I WAS IN THE WRONG. 20 MPH over the limit. Qualifies for multiple tickets. Which of my rights was it I was supposed to assert? I was wrong, I treated the officer respectfully (as I should have), and he let me go. If you would have handled that situation differently, maybe you DESERVE to have the cop be an "A-Hole".


Civilization depends on voluntary compliance. Why were you breaking the law?
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by RickyC31:
I drive like a bat out of hell. Needless to say, I have been pulled over several times, more than I care to remember. But guess what, I treat them with respect, and they treat me with respect. It is really strange how that works, and people cannot get this thru that mentality that they have. In any profession.

This. I was stopped just yesterday in Tuscumbia, doing 55 in a 35. The PO had every right to ticket me (and more than one, I might add). I was respectful and courteous, and so was he, and I was let off with a warning. So, not all cops are "complete A-Holes".



Maybe they're just A-Holes to people who don't kiss their butts, but assert their rights as citizens.

Read this part carefully, because I don't want you to miss it. I WAS IN THE WRONG. 20 MPH over the limit. Qualifies for multiple tickets. Which of my rights was it I was supposed to assert? I was wrong, I treated the officer respectfully (as I should have), and he let me go. If you would have handled that situation differently, maybe you DESERVE to have the cop be an "A-Hole".



My question is...what right does the cop have allowing you to endanger others lives just because you were nice?

And secondly...why do you think you are above the law? Do you not have respect for others safety?
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Originally posted by Tool:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by RickyC31:
I drive like a bat out of hell. Needless to say, I have been pulled over several times, more than I care to remember. But guess what, I treat them with respect, and they treat me with respect. It is really strange how that works, and people cannot get this thru that mentality that they have. In any profession.

This. I was stopped just yesterday in Tuscumbia, doing 55 in a 35. The PO had every right to ticket me (and more than one, I might add). I was respectful and courteous, and so was he, and I was let off with a warning. So, not all cops are "complete A-Holes".



Maybe they're just A-Holes to people who don't kiss their butts, but assert their rights as citizens.

Read this part carefully, because I don't want you to miss it. I WAS IN THE WRONG. 20 MPH over the limit. Qualifies for multiple tickets. Which of my rights was it I was supposed to assert? I was wrong, I treated the officer respectfully (as I should have), and he let me go. If you would have handled that situation differently, maybe you DESERVE to have the cop be an "A-Hole".



My question is...what right does the cop have allowing you to endanger others lives just because you were nice?

And secondly...why do you think you are above the law? Do you not have respect for others safety?

Firstly, what did you want the cop to do, execute me? I said he gave me a warning. He could have given me multiple tickets, he chose not to. Does that mean any fewer lives were in danger, because he gave me the warning and not a citation?

I don't think I'm above the law. I was clearly not paying attention, and was doing 55 MPH. As I stated, I deserved a ticket. Had I gotten one, it still wouldn't have have made the cop an "A-Hole".
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by Tool:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by RickyC31:
I drive like a bat out of hell. Needless to say, I have been pulled over several times, more than I care to remember. But guess what, I treat them with respect, and they treat me with respect. It is really strange how that works, and people cannot get this thru that mentality that they have. In any profession.

This. I was stopped just yesterday in Tuscumbia, doing 55 in a 35. The PO had every right to ticket me (and more than one, I might add). I was respectful and courteous, and so was he, and I was let off with a warning. So, not all cops are "complete A-Holes".



Maybe they're just A-Holes to people who don't kiss their butts, but assert their rights as citizens.

Read this part carefully, because I don't want you to miss it. I WAS IN THE WRONG. 20 MPH over the limit. Qualifies for multiple tickets. Which of my rights was it I was supposed to assert? I was wrong, I treated the officer respectfully (as I should have), and he let me go. If you would have handled that situation differently, maybe you DESERVE to have the cop be an "A-Hole".



My question is...what right does the cop have allowing you to endanger others lives just because you were nice?

And secondly...why do you think you are above the law? Do you not have respect for others safety?

Firstly, what did you want the cop to do, execute me? I said he gave me a warning. He could have given me multiple tickets, he chose not to. Does that mean any fewer lives were in danger, because he gave me the warning and not a citation?

I don't think I'm above the law. I was clearly not paying attention, and was doing 55 MPH. As I stated, I deserved a ticket. Had I gotten one, it still wouldn't have have made the cop an "A-Hole".


It certainly makes you one. Don't endanger others. Interesting that the Cop, when in the position to actually prevent criminal behavior, lets you go on about your reckless way.

They're worthless.
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by Tool:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by RickyC31:
I drive like a bat out of hell. Needless to say, I have been pulled over several times, more than I care to remember. But guess what, I treat them with respect, and they treat me with respect. It is really strange how that works, and people cannot get this thru that mentality that they have. In any profession.

This. I was stopped just yesterday in Tuscumbia, doing 55 in a 35. The PO had every right to ticket me (and more than one, I might add). I was respectful and courteous, and so was he, and I was let off with a warning. So, not all cops are "complete A-Holes".



Maybe they're just A-Holes to people who don't kiss their butts, but assert their rights as citizens.

Read this part carefully, because I don't want you to miss it. I WAS IN THE WRONG. 20 MPH over the limit. Qualifies for multiple tickets. Which of my rights was it I was supposed to assert? I was wrong, I treated the officer respectfully (as I should have), and he let me go. If you would have handled that situation differently, maybe you DESERVE to have the cop be an "A-Hole".



My question is...what right does the cop have allowing you to endanger others lives just because you were nice?

And secondly...why do you think you are above the law? Do you not have respect for others safety?

Firstly, what did you want the cop to do, execute me? I said he gave me a warning. He could have given me multiple tickets, he chose not to. Does that mean any fewer lives were in danger, because he gave me the warning and not a citation?

I don't think I'm above the law. I was clearly not paying attention, and was doing 55 MPH. As I stated, I deserved a ticket. Had I gotten one, it still wouldn't have have made the cop an "A-Hole".


It certainly makes you one. Don't endanger others. Interesting that the Cop, when in the position to actually prevent criminal behavior, lets you go on about your reckless way.

They're worthless.

Ahhh, there it is. The internet tough guy makes his appearance. Name calling behind the safety of his keyboard. Sorry, but I'm not going to take that bait.

Just how was the officer going to "prevent criminal behavior" when I was already involved in said "criminal behavior" when he caught me? Wouldn't he only be able to prevent FUTURE criminal behavior, and who's to say he didn't do just that?
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by Tool:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
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Originally posted by JDawg:
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Originally posted by RickyC31:
I drive like a bat out of hell. Needless to say, I have been pulled over several times, more than I care to remember. But guess what, I treat them with respect, and they treat me with respect. It is really strange how that works, and people cannot get this thru that mentality that they have. In any profession.

This. I was stopped just yesterday in Tuscumbia, doing 55 in a 35. The PO had every right to ticket me (and more than one, I might add). I was respectful and courteous, and so was he, and I was let off with a warning. So, not all cops are "complete A-Holes".



Maybe they're just A-Holes to people who don't kiss their butts, but assert their rights as citizens.

Read this part carefully, because I don't want you to miss it. I WAS IN THE WRONG. 20 MPH over the limit. Qualifies for multiple tickets. Which of my rights was it I was supposed to assert? I was wrong, I treated the officer respectfully (as I should have), and he let me go. If you would have handled that situation differently, maybe you DESERVE to have the cop be an "A-Hole".



My question is...what right does the cop have allowing you to endanger others lives just because you were nice?

And secondly...why do you think you are above the law? Do you not have respect for others safety?

Firstly, what did you want the cop to do, execute me? I said he gave me a warning. He could have given me multiple tickets, he chose not to. Does that mean any fewer lives were in danger, because he gave me the warning and not a citation?

I don't think I'm above the law. I was clearly not paying attention, and was doing 55 MPH. As I stated, I deserved a ticket. Had I gotten one, it still wouldn't have have made the cop an "A-Hole".


It certainly makes you one. Don't endanger others. Interesting that the Cop, when in the position to actually prevent criminal behavior, lets you go on about your reckless way.

They're worthless.


Actually, Opie, mere contact with police is enough to deter some people from breaking traffic laws. For example, I pull over a man who has never had a ticket in his many years of driving for speeding. He is apologetic and knows he did wrong. He is kind and admits fault. In many cases like this a warning is the appropriate enforcement action. If they re-offend then you write him a ticket. On the other hand, when someone is automatically defensive and accuses you of being an "a-hole" then it is obvious a kind word and a warning will not prevent his future traffic violations and a ticket may be in order. An open mind goes a long way.
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Actually, Opie, mere contact with police is enough to deter some people from breaking traffic laws. For example, I pull over a man who has never had a ticket in his many years of driving for speeding. He is apologetic and knows he did wrong. He is kind and admits fault. In many cases like this a warning is the appropriate enforcement action. If they re-offend then you write him a ticket. On the other hand, when someone is automatically defensive and accuses you of being an "a-hole" then it is obvious a kind word and a warning will not prevent his future traffic violations and a ticket may be in order. An open mind goes a long way.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

Thanks wright - opie's true personality and lack of responsibility comes out. Go figure.

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