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Will they start offering women the same choice? It sounds like a good deal for him, it cuts five years off his prison term and he already has at least seven children. No one seems to know exactly how many he has. I don't know why the article says he's not facing sexual offenses like that would make a difference. This is about sterilization, not castration.  Could just be me, but I think they're stretching it to make it seem like some horrible option. Instead of reluctantly agreeing, he should have jumped at the offer.

 

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RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — A Virginia man who has fathered children with several women has agreed to get a vasectomy to reduce his prison term by up to five years in a child endangerment case that has evoked the country's dark history of forced sterilization.

 

None of the charges against Jessie Lee Herald, 27, involved a sexual offense. Shenandoah County assistant prosecutor Ilona White said her chief motive in making the extraordinarily unusual offer was keeping Herald from fathering more than the seven children he has by at least six women.

"He needs to be able to support the children he already has when he gets out," she said, adding that Herald and the state both benefit from the deal, first reported by the Northern Virginia Daily.

Though Herald willingly — if reluctantly, according to his attorney — signed on to the deal, the agreement immediately calls to mind the surgical sterilizations carried out in Virginia and dozens of other states during the 20th century under the discredited pseudoscience called eugenics, said Brandon Garrett, a University of Virginia law professor.

"This takes on the appearance of social engineering," said Steve Benjamin of Richmond, past president of the Virginia Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, who said he has never heard of a case like Herald's.

Some 8,000 people deemed genetically inferior or deficient were forcibly sterilized in Virginia from the 1920s to about 1970. Many other states also had eugenics programs but abandoned them after World War II when forced sterilizations became closely associated with **** Germany's racial purity efforts.

The movement resulted in the sterilization of tens of thousands of people, primarily the mentally disabled, minorities and the poor. North Carolina, the lone state to offer compensation to victims of its program, is allowing people until June 30 to apply for such payments.

Herald's attorney, Charles Ramsey, and White, the prosecutor, disputed any suggestion that the plea deal for Herald, who is white, has similarities to eugenics.

"I would never agree with that line of thinking. That was nowhere in my thought process," White said.

Said Ramsey, "I understand the comparison, but I don't think it's fair. That's kind of exaggerating it."

Herald, of Edinburg, was sentenced this month to one year and eight months in prison for child endangerment, hit and run , and driving on a suspended license in a crash in which authorities said his 3-year-old son was bloodied but not seriously hurt.

The agreement requires Herald to undergo the operation within a year of being released from prison and prohibits him from having the vasectomy reversed while he is on probation.

Herald will have to pay for the vasectomy, which can cost from a few hundred dollars to more than $1,000. Ramsey said the reason for giving his client a year to get the surgery was to give him time to come up with the money.

Charles Herald said he believes his nephew, who has worked as a roofer and in a poultry plant, has financially supported at least some of his children. But he could not say exactly how many there are.

"I don't think even he knows," Charles Herald said.

The Shenandoah County Sheriff's Office declined a request for a telephone interview with Herald, who is in the county jail.

Ramsey said he had an ethical duty to pass along to his client the prosecutor's highly unusual plea offer.

"It was not a no-brainer for him," Ramsey said. "It was a difficult decision. I had some reservations as well, but I don't want to get too much into my opinion of it because it's not my decision."

Benjamin, who said he was speaking in general terms and not about a specific case, said a vasectomy simply should not be a factor in plea negotiations.

"Sentencing conditions are designed to prevent future criminal behavior," he said. "Fathering children is not criminal behavior."

Said Garrett: "There's a question whether certain options should even be on the table

 

http://news.yahoo.com/mans-ple...ement-191927115.html

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Apples and oranges here in the slanted article about this irresponsible lustbucket..

 

Mr. Herald  has not been "charged with a sexual offense," but he has demonstrated a pattern of social irresponsibility that is clearly associated with his sexual promiscuity.  He has supported "some" of the seven illegitimate children that he has fathered with at least 6 women.  What of those he has NOT supported?  And what of those he could have in the future if, upon release, he goes back to his fornicating ways, which is likely?  Herald is not being forced into anything.  He is willing to undergo a vasectomy as one of the conditions of a reduced prison term.  Society will be the better for this arrangement and, in a perverse way, so will Herald since, in his sterile condition, he will be able to recommence  his lusty libertine endeavors without fear of further complicating his already sordid life by begetting even more little ******* chillen.   Such women as might succumb to his libidinous advances will not risk pregnancy and thus will have one less concern as to the consequences of their own immorality, leaving them with only the fear of hell fire and sexually-transmitted diseases to compromise the pleasure they might find in the company of the horny Mr. Herald.

 

Eugenics? Such a bogus issue on its face that I feel no need to comment on it.

Originally Posted by Contendah:

Apples and oranges here in the slanted article about this irresponsible lustbucket..

 

Mr. Herald  has not been "charged with a sexual offense," but he has demonstrated a pattern of social irresponsibility that is clearly associated with his sexual promiscuity.  He has supported "some" of the seven illegitimate children that he has fathered with at least 6 women.  What of those he has NOT supported?  And what of those he could have in the future if, upon release, he goes back to his fornicating ways, which is likely?  Herald is not being forced into anything.  He is willing to undergo a vasectomy as one of the conditions of a reduced prison term.  Society will be the better for this arrangement and, in a perverse way, so will Herald since, in his sterile condition, he will be able to recommence  his lusty libertine endeavors without fear of further complicating his already sordid life by begetting even more little ******* chillen.   Such women as might succumb to his libidinous advances will not risk pregnancy and thus will have one less concern as to the consequences of their own immorality, leaving them with only the fear of hell fire and sexually-transmitted diseases to compromise the pleasure they might find in the company of the horny Mr. Herald.

 

Eugenics? Such a bogus issue on its face that I feel no need to comment on it.

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Exactly, except for all that fear of hell stuff.

Best, you say:

 

"Exactly, except for all that fear of hell stuff."

 

Not so fast there.  Your absolutist conclusion does not consider that one or more of Herald's love objects just might BELIEVE in hell fire and might also understand that immorality can lead to that warm spot.  Being thus disposed, she would have reason to fear hell fire, whether it exists or not.

 

"I know that I.m sinnin', and sinnin' ain't right,

But me and the good Lord gonna have us a good talk later tonight."

 

Jeannie C. Riley

Originally Posted by mad American:

Contendah, I think that line is from an old Cal Thomas song, "The Lord Knows I'm Drinkin'".  A cool old country song none the less.

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mad, 

 

My lyrics are from "Harper Valley PTA."  I somewhat mis-quoted them, tho.  First line should have been "The Lord knows I'm sinnin'".

 

Sinnin' and drinkin'--There is no end of it when it comes to country music subject matter.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Your absolutist conclusion does not consider that one or more of Herald's love objects just might BELIEVE in hell fire and might also understand that immorality can lead to that warm spot.  Being thus disposed, she would have reason to fear hell fire, whether it exists or not.
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Those love objects might believe like ole crazy Billy does. If so, they have no reason to fear Hell IF Hell exist.
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Your absolutist conclusion does not consider that one or more of Herald's love objects just might BELIEVE in hell fire and might also understand that immorality can lead to that warm spot.  Being thus disposed, she would have reason to fear hell fire, whether it exists or not.
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Those love objects might believe like ole crazy Billy does. If so, they have no reason to fear Hell IF Hell exist.

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Yep, once they "got saved", they would need never fear hell, since there is no corruption or vileness that would send their OSAS souls to the lake of fire.  Bill selected that doctrine for his special affection when he was in the Calvinist Cafeteria.

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