Margaret Sanger Quotes

The Eugenics movement in the US contributed to the movement in Europe. The NSDAP was especially receptive. They even published articles to Sanger's magazine.

Through the lens of history, lots of people were Eugenics supporting bigots. Most notably the entire state of Alabama - among others. In fact Alabama only removed interracial marriage ban from our states constitution in the last 5 years. Once again, the list of notable Americans who supported "Eugenics" is disturbing, but one is forced to realize that lots of things held as truths in late 19th, early 20th century world have been discredited and dismissed in today's culture. John Rockefeller, Alexander Graham Bell, G. Stanley Hall, John H. Kellogg, H.G. Wells, Aldous Huxley, Margaret Sanger and Theodore Roosevelt among many other prominent Americans supported "Eugenics". I find it ridiculous to suggest that the contributions of each of these individuals is totally discredited because they supported "Eugenics". It must be said that this was also during a time in which black Americans did not have the right to vote and would not fully gain that right for another 40 years.

Margaret Sanger had some outdated and discredited ideas - no question. She did, however, introduce safe contraception to the women of the United States and thus helped women gain reproductive rights. Rights to decide when and if they would and should reproduce. Contraception has prevented thousands of abortions and has allowed women the right to reproduce according to their personal determination of when that is appropriate.

Margaret Sanger disavowed abortions in her own words:

In a chapter from Woman and the New Race (1920) entitled "Contraceptives or Abortion?," Sanger wrote, "While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization."

Roger Streitmatter has claimed that Sanger's opposition to abortion stemmed primarily from a concern for the dangers to the mother rather than moral issues. Nonetheless, in her 1938 autobiography, Sanger notes that her 1916 opposition to abortion was based on the taking of life: "To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun."

In a 1916 edition of Family Limitation, Sanger advised women douche with boric acid and to take quinine to prevent implantation. She wrote further, "No one can doubt that there are times when an abortion is justifiable but they will become unnecessary when care is taken to prevent conception. This is the only cure for abortions.

P.S."Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, proposed the American Baby Code that states, "No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child… without a permit for parenthood". - After many years of working in HHS, I must say this sounds good on its face. I have seen many hundreds of unwanted children and lousy parents. We are required to get a license to drive a car, but any idiot can produce a baby.

Just for clarity.

Misattributed

* Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need ... We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock.
o Ernst Rudin, Birth Control Review, April 1933.

* More children from the fit, less from the unfit — that is the chief issue in birth control.
o Editors of American Medicine in a review of Sanger's article "Why Not Birth Control Clinics in America?" published in Birth Control Review, May 1919

* The mass of ignorant Negroes still breed carelessly and disastrously, so that the increase among Negroes, even more than the increase among whites, is from that portion of the population least intelligent and fit, and least able to rear their children properly.
o W.E.B. DuBois, Birth Control Review, June 1932. Quoted by Sanger in her proposal for the "Negro Project."

* Blacks, soldiers, and Jews are a menace to the race.
o Unknown source. Often cited as Birth Control Review, April 1933.

* Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated.
o Unknown source, attributed by Life Education and Resource Network (LEARN) [2]

* The marriage-bed is the most degenerating influence of the social order.
o Alice Groff, "The Marriage Bed", The Woman Rebel, V.I No. 5, p.39 (edited by Margaret Sanger)

* Birth control appeals to the advanced radical because it is calculated to undermine the authority of the Christian churches. I look forward to seeing humanity free someday of the tyranny of Christianity no less than Capitalism.
o Unknown source, often attributed to The Woman Rebel.

Beyond Birth Control:
The Population Control Agenda
by Dr. Stan Monteith, M.D

Planned population control including genocide is a difficult concept for Americans to accept. Even though the U.S. government helps finance the Red Chinese program of forced abortion, sterilization and infanticide, and helps finance the United Nations "family planning program," most people find it impossible to believe that such programs are really part of a larger plan to kill off large segments of the world's population.

"How can you possibly believe that?" I am frequently asked. The answer is quite simple: I have read the writings of those who intend to depopulate large segments of the earth and I believe them. They have written of the necessity of reducing-by force if necessary-the world's population.

Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood

Our tax money finances Planned Parenthood, an organization founded by Margaret Sanger. In Planned Parenthood's 1985 Annual Report, its leaders proclaimed that they were, "Proud of our past, and planning for our future."1

How could anyone claim to be proud of an organization when history records that its founder wrote of the necessity of "the extermination of 'human weeds'...the 'cessation of charity'...the segregation of 'morons, misfits, and the maladjusted' and...the sterilization of 'genetically inferior races?'"2

During the 1930s Margaret Sanger published The Birth Control Review, in which she openly supported Nazi Germany's "infanticide program" in the 1930s, and publicly championed Adolf Hitler's goal of Aryan white supremacy. Prior to World War II she commissioned Nazi Ernst Rudin, director of the dreaded German medical experimentation programs, to serve as an advisor to her organization.

In Killer Angel, George Grant chronicled the life and writings of Margaret Sanger, including her plans for genetically engineering the human race. Margaret Sanger's The Pivot of Civilization called for "the elimination of human weeds," and the "cessation of charity" because it prolonged the lives of the unfit. She called for the segregation of the unfit and prohibiting them to reproduce.

In 1939, Margaret Sanger organized the Negro Project, designed to eliminate members of what she believed to be an "inferior race." She justified her proposal because "the masses of Negroes... particularly in the South, still breed carelessly and disastrously, with the result that the increase among Negroes, even more than among whites, is from that portion of the population least intelligent and fit..."3

She then went on to reveal that she intended to "hire three or four colored ministers to travel to various black enclaves to propagandize for birth control...The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."4

As Margaret Sanger's organization grew, she wrote of the necessity of targeting religious groups for destruction as well, believing that the "dysgenic races" should include "fundamentalists and Catholics" in addition to "blacks, Hispanics, [and] American Indians."5 As the years passed, Sanger became increasingly obsessed with occult beliefs and hostile to Christianity and the American precept of individual freedom. Her distaste for America is evident in her writings: "Birth control appeals to the advanced radical because it is calculated to undermine the authority of the Christian churches. I look forward to seeing humanity free someday of the tyranny of Christianity no less than Capitalism."6

Just like Adolf Hitler, Margaret Sanger was a disciple of Theosophy and its founder, Madame Blavatsky. Both Sanger and Hitler were involved in a religion that worshipped Lucifer and were energized by the same dark, spiritual forces.

Lucis Trust is a prominent modern day representative of Theosophy, an extension of the Lucifer Publishing Company, which is also a United Nations NGO. Lucis Trust was founded by Alice A. Bailey during the early 20th century. Bailey was a disciple of Madame Blavatsky and nominal leader of the Theosophical Society in the early 1900s.

Because the name "Lucifer" had such a bad connotation, Bailey changed the name of her organization from the Lucifer Publishing Company to Lucis Trust. The nature and beliefs of this organization, however, have always remained the same.

Lucis Trust is one of the major front groups through which Theosophy influences life in America. Publications from Lucis Trust regularly refer to "The Plan" for humanity that has been established by "The Hierarchy." Sanger's disciples are alive and functioning today, influencing national and international population control policy.

David Graber, a research biologist with the National Park Service, was quoted in the Los Angeles Times Book Review Section, October 22, 1989, as saying, "Human happiness and certainly human fecundity are not as important as a wild and healthy planet. I know social scientists who remind me that people are part of nature, but it isn't true...We have become a plague upon ourselves and upon the Earth...Until such time as homosapiens should decide to rejoin nature, some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along." 7

In The First Global Revolution, published by the Council of the Club of Rome, an international elitist organization, the authors note that, "In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine, and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention... The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."8

On April 5, 1994 the Los Angeles Times quoted Cornell University Professor David Pimentel, speaking to the American Association for the Advancement of Science, saying that, "The total world population should be no more than 2 billion rather than the current 5.6 billion."

In the UNESCO Courier of November 1991, Jacques Cousteau wrote, "The damage people cause to the planet is a function of demographics-it is equal to the degree of development. One American burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes... This is a terrible thing to say. In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it's just as bad not to say it."9

In The Impact of Science on Society, Bertrand Russell said, "At present the population of the world is increasing...War so far has had no great effect on this increase... I do not pretend that birth control is the only way in which population can be kept from increasing. There are others...If a Black Death could be spread throughout the world once in every generation, survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full...the state of affairs might be somewhat unpleasant, but what of it? Really high-minded people are indifferent to suffering, especially that of others."

Negative Population Growth Inc. of Teaneck, New Jersey recently circulated a letter stating their long-range goal: "We believe that our goal for the United States should be no more than 150 million; our size in 1950. For the world, we believe our goal should be a population of not more than two billion, its size shortly after the turn of the century."10

This amount is impossible to achieve by means of normal attrition and birth control and there is sufficient evidence to indicate other plans are afoot.

More New Age Influence

Speaking at Gorbachev's State of the World Forum in San Francisco in 1996, New Age writer and philosopher Dr. Sam Keen stated that there was strong agreement that religious institutions have to take a primary responsibility for the population explosion.

He went on to say that, "We must speak far more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control the population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren't enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage."

Dr. Keen's remarks were met with applause from the assembled audience of New Age adherents, Socialists, Internationalists and occultists.

Next month, we'll explore some specific cases of covert as well as blatant population control, including the link between abortions and breast cancer and what really happened during the Rwanda massacres.

Notes:

Killer Angel, George Grant, Reformer Press, p. 105, available from Radio Liberty, P.O. Box 13, Santa Cruz, CA, 95063. Ibid, p. 65.
Woman's Body, Woman's Right, Linda Gordon, Penguin Press, New York, p. 332; see also Killer Angel, p. 73.
Killer Angel, p. 74: see also Woman's Body, Woman's Right, pp. 229-334.
Woman's Body, Woman's Right, pp.229-334; see also Killer Angel, p.73.
Killer Angel, p. 104.
Los Angeles Times, Book Review Section, October 22, 1989, p. 9.
The First Global Revolution: Club of Rome, Alexander King and Bertrand Schneider, Pantheon Books, New York, 1991, p. 115.
"The Population Controllers," New American Magazine, 6/27/94, p. 7.
Material is available from Radio Liberty, P.O. Box 13, Santa Cruz, CA, 95063.

Meanasasnake repined:

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It must be said that this was also during a time in which black Americans did not have the right to vote and would not fully gain that right for another 40 years.

Wrong.
First of all, The Fifteenth Amendment, ratified in 1870, gave blacks the right to vote. However, when Jim Crow laws were enacted in the 1890s, blacks were intimidated and threatened into not exercising their previously authorized right to vote. What does that have to do with eugenics?

Second, justifying a miscarriage of decency in history with the "everybody did it" argument is not acceptable in this case. Eugenics and the elimination of what she considered the "flawed inferior" of the human race was the basis of Sanger's life work. This was not true of Roosevelt (who admired black leaders like Booker T. Washington) or A. G. Bell, whose main goal was aiding the deaf (which constituted imperfection and weakness to Ms. Sanger).

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Meanasasnake repined:

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It must be said that this was also during a time in which black Americans did not have the right to vote and would not fully gain that right for another 40 years.

Wrong.
First of all, The Fifteenth Amendment, ratified in 1870, gave blacks the right to vote. However, when Jim Crow laws were enacted in the 1890s, blacks were intimidated and threatened into not exercising their previously authorized right to vote. What does that have to do with eugenics?

If you are not allowed to vote based on poll taxes, literacy and comprehension tests then you do not enjoy the full right to vote. Period. The correlation between Eugenics and segregation is fairly obvious, if not as intellectually articulated. The "mongrelization" of the white race is clearly part of the intent of disallowing equality and rights. It is also perfectly exemplified in the bans on interracial marriages. The terms are different, but the intent is the same.

Second, justifying a miscarriage of decency in history with the "everybody did it" argument is not acceptable in this case. Eugenics and the elimination of what she considered the "flawed inferior" of the human race was the basis of Sanger's life work. This was not true of Roosevelt (who admired black leaders like Booker T. Washington) or A. G. Bell, whose main goal was aiding the deaf (which constituted imperfection and weakness to Ms. Sanger).

To deny that the attitudes of the early to mid 20th century were not different from those of a more enlightened later century is silly. Most people adhered to a nearly universal view in the United States that blacks (and others) were "inferior". President Roosevelt may have admired certain black individuals, but it is highly unlikely he would have felt the same way about them collectively. He was an admirer of Eugenics and so was A.G. Bell. To what extent they supported it or not, is difficult to discern from our standpoint. Mrs. Sanger's personal views are not dissimilar to those of many other Americans and Europeans of the time. They were, of course, wrong. The fact that such creative people as I listed may have held views we may find reprehensible does not negate their contribution to society. Margaret Sanger did not "invent" abortion - that had been around for thousands of years before her birth. She made "family planning" available to the women of this nation through safe and effective birth control. Her personal views on Eugenics have been discredited, but her contribution to women's reproductive health is indisputable.

People from years past had ideas about, well, pretty much everything that may be considered as reprehensible now as our ideas may be considered in a hundred years.

Even 35 years ago, smoking was considered a hip thing to do and comedians joked about drunk driving.

Changing history to reflect contemporary beliefs is called "revisionism". Admit that Sanger had a philosophy that, in some ways, is at odds with norms and mores today; she had some good ideas, and move on. Face it, this isn't rocket surgery.

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
People from years past had ideas about, well, pretty much everything that may be considered as reprehensible now as our ideas may be considered in a hundred years.

Even 35 years ago, smoking was considered a hip thing to do and comedians joked about drunk driving.

Changing history to reflect contemporary beliefs is called "revisionism". Admit that Sanger had a philosophy that, in some ways, is at odds with norms and mores today; she had some good ideas, and move on. Face it, this isn't rocket surgery.

Thank you.

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
People from years past had ideas about, well, pretty much everything that may be considered as reprehensible now as our ideas may be considered in a hundred years.

Even 35 years ago, smoking was considered a hip thing to do and comedians joked about drunk driving.

Changing history to reflect contemporary beliefs is called "revisionism". Admit that Sanger had a philosophy that, in some ways, is at odds with norms and mores today; she had some good ideas, and move on. Face it, this isn't rocket surgery.

Sanger may have had a philosophy that "in some ways" are at odds....unfortunately, the practice of abortion and genocide, along with population control continues to this day. Wonder if anyone has ever actually checked on Tiller and the folks who run the other 2 clinics as to what their philosophy may be?

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Originally posted by redbull:

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
People from years past had ideas about, well, pretty much everything that may be considered as reprehensible now as our ideas may be considered in a hundred years.

Even 35 years ago, smoking was considered a hip thing to do and comedians joked about drunk driving.

Changing history to reflect contemporary beliefs is called "revisionism". Admit that Sanger had a philosophy that, in some ways, is at odds with norms and mores today; she had some good ideas, and move on. Face it, this isn't rocket surgery.

Sanger may have had a philosophy that "in some ways" are at odds....unfortunately, the practice of abortion and genocide, along with population control continues to this day. Wonder if anyone has ever actually checked on Tiller and the folks who run the other 2 clinics as to what their philosophy may be?

Again - Margaret Sanger did not support abortions. She did not invent abortions. Abortions have occurred in every civilization since the beginning of recorded history.

So has slavery Mean but it dosn`t make it right.

I know you have strong feelings about abortions. So do I. I support the right of women to seek safe and legal abortions with the council of their physician, and family based on each individual case. I know you feel otherwise, but I seriously doubt there will be a total ban on the procedure - ever. Yet another thread hijacked.

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Originally posted by redbull:

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
People from years past had ideas about, well, pretty much everything that may be considered as reprehensible now as our ideas may be considered in a hundred years.

Even 35 years ago, smoking was considered a hip thing to do and comedians joked about drunk driving.

Changing history to reflect contemporary beliefs is called "revisionism". Admit that Sanger had a philosophy that, in some ways, is at odds with norms and mores today; she had some good ideas, and move on. Face it, this isn't rocket surgery.

Sanger may have had a philosophy that "in some ways" are at odds....unfortunately, the practice of abortion and genocide, along with population control continues to this day. Wonder if anyone has ever actually checked on Tiller and the folks who run the other 2 clinics as to what their philosophy may be?

Again - Margaret Sanger did not support abortions. She did not invent abortions. Abortions have occurred in every civilization since the beginning of recorded history.

...and? So abortion has existed since there have been self aware humans. So what? So have murder, thievery, adultery, suicide, rape, buggery... shall I go on? The existence of these things for such a long time is not justification for actions involving them.

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
People from years past had ideas about, well, pretty much everything that may be considered as reprehensible now as our ideas may be considered in a hundred years.

Even 35 years ago, smoking was considered a hip thing to do and comedians joked about drunk driving.

Changing history to reflect contemporary beliefs is called "revisionism". Admit that Sanger had a philosophy that, in some ways, is at odds with norms and mores today; she had some good ideas, and move on. Face it, this isn't rocket surgery.

Thank you.

Mussolini did make the trains run on time.

Zip, I would be the first one to say one cannot judge history by today's standards. History must be analyzed within the context of the era. Ninety nine point nine, nine, nine percent of the country in the first decades of the 20th century was racist in thinking. That's a fact. However, Sanger was no run of the mill racist, but advocated breeding out the "undesirable elements" of the human race, i.e. blacks, jews, physically challenged, etc. That is a little more extreme than say, a Ty Cobb or Henry Ford. Yes, Hitler built the Autobahn...do we applaud his "good intentions" and move on? NO.

Margaret Sanger didn't exterminate six million people, either. She was not an abortionist, and, at least in this country, her philosophies or teachings were never institutionalized.

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Margaret Sanger didn't exterminate six million people, either.

Hitler admired her work and his director of the Racial Hygiene Society, Ernst Rudin, was the same man that Sanger had previously commissioned for her own agenda, publishing his work in her magazine, the Birth Control Review. Obviously, her good works (whatever those may be) clearly override this insignificant part of her illustrous career; a career that promoted weeding out the undesirable elements of society. Or what Ms. Sanger deemed the undesirable elements. Generally, this is what is known as playing God and I'm sure Maggie Sanger would be disappointed to know that the gals at Planned Parenthood only regard her as a patron saint.

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at least in this country, her philosophies or teachings were never institutionalized.

Really? A woman finds out her 8 month old baby will be "less than perfect," so she decides to have an abortion. That is her philosophy and teaching. A black man is lynched for marrying a white woman. That is her philosophy and teaching. A handicapped child, instead of being mainstreamed and able to go to school, must be taken out of society and institutionalized. That is her philosophy and teaching.

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A black man is lynched for marrying a white woman.

Is that institutionalized? Criminy, I'm going to the Playboy Jazz Festival with such a couple Sunday night. I was pretty sure that sort of thing was illegal in just about the entire United States. Hope I don't see some dope with a rope.

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A handicapped child, instead of being mainstreamed and able to go to school, must be taken out of society and institutionalized.

So our institutions now take handicapped children out of school and warehouse them somewhere? I was pretty sure they're who the wheelchair ramps are for. Besides, I think her philosophy was to euthanize them, rather than institutionalize them. Last time I looked, I haven't seen any billboards saying, "Euthanize...don't Institutionalize!" Soylent green, anyone? But I digress...

Try to keep up. It's apparent to anyone with a meager half a brain that we, as a society, do NOT ascribe to all of Margaret Sanger's doctrine.

She's not Hitler. She didn't invent abortions. She had some outrageous ideas which never caught on in the US. Thankfully. There are probably people in the US now who think her ideas are wonderful; who cares as long as they remain the province of the body-temperature IQ set. She started off planned parenthood with, I believe it was, her book "Breeding the Thoroughbred". Planned parenthood morphed into a birth control provider and advocate which, arguably, has done some service in providing another alternative to abstinence or abortion.

Villify her. Burn her in effigy if you like. I'm pretty sure she won't care, being dead and all. You may even fantasize that God tossed her into hell for her thoughts if it makes you feel better. The next time you or your wife or your girlfriend (depending upon your gender, as appropriate) take a birth control pill, understand that access to that likely came from work Sanger did.

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Through the lens of history, lots of people were Eugenics supporting bigots. Once again, the list of notable Americans who supported "Eugenics" is disturbing, but one is forced to realize that lots of things held as truths in late 19th, early 20th century world have been discredited and dismissed in today's culture.

Hey Mean, I feel obligated to inform you that the eugenics movement of the early 20th century was a 100% progressive cause. Yes the American progressive movement dates back to at least the 1880s or even as far back as 1805 when the Unitarians took control of Harvard collage and kicked out the orthodox Calvinists. Unitarians then and now practice their religion mostly in the area of social progress and good works, not particularly obedience to the Bible.

From its beginning the American Progressive Movement believed man was just an animal that could be analyzed, undersood, and reprogrammed for the betterment of society.

This bizarre concept that there are many Truths, he has his Truth, I have my Truth, those people in the early 20th century had their Truth, is all ONE BIG LIE. In reality, there is only one Truth. Yours and mine, although those who reject God don't know the Truth.

That is what the Progressives do. They ultimately reject God. Human relationships are no longer based on mutual honor for another child of God, but rather on exploitation and domination, either obvious or subtle. The progressive led eugenics movement is a perfect example.

The progressives of that era were first seduced into the secular world view that said man is an animal that needs to be controlled and directed by others--namely them. If there is no awareness of God, Truth becomes RELATIVE, socialism becomes attractive, immorality becomes acceptable, and the Classic Philosophies become bizarre. That is the progressive platform of today. I reject it and you would be wise to reject it also.

If you do just a little research, you will understand that the Christians of that time were absolutely against Sanger and the progressive eugenics movement. The historic debates are countless and well documented. It was the same argument as the abortion debate today, only the people have changed.

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John Rockefeller, Alexander Graham Bell, G. Stanley Hall, John H. Kellogg, H.G. Wells, Aldous Huxley, Margaret Sanger and Theodore Roosevelt among many other prominent Americans supported "Eugenics". I find it ridiculous to suggest that the contributions of each of these individuals is totally discredited because they supported "Eugenics".

They, as individuals may not be totally discredited but I'll declare the progressive movement (modern liberalism) is perfectly discredited, both in its origin, its actions, and its long history of failed policies, like support for Hitler, eugenics and socialism/collectivism to name a few.

Some other notable persons were James McKeen, Charles Judd and James Earl Russell, all of whom studied under Wilhelm Wundt, the founder of experimental psychology. The leader of this movement was John Dewey who lead the earliest research to test the new psychology of training the perfect worker race. Eugenics was a major component of this perfect society of workers.

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Margaret Sanger had some outdated and discredited ideas - no question.

This is part of the sickness of liberalism/progressivism. Every Christian, who has a moral anchor in Biblical principle, discredited all her ghoolish ideas and they do so today with abortion and this socialism the progressives are pushing on us now, to name a few.

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Margaret Sanger disavowed abortions in her own words:

In a chapter from Woman and the New Race (1920) entitled "Contraceptives or Abortion?,"

Remember, Sanger was a progressive. Progressives have always affected the change in society one small step at a time. Her ultimate goal was abortion on demand. That was such a bizarre notion for people back then. Sanger used the contraception argument as just the first step in her progression twards abortion. She never intended to stop at contraception. If you study her writings in its entirety you will understand her motives.

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A black man is lynched for marrying a white woman.

Is that institutionalized? Criminy, I'm going to the Playboy Jazz Festival with such a couple Sunday night. I was pretty sure that sort of thing was illegal in just about the entire United States. Hope I don't see some dope with a rope.

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A handicapped child, instead of being mainstreamed and able to go to school, must be taken out of society and institutionalized.

So our institutions now take handicapped children out of school and warehouse them somewhere? I was pretty sure they're who the wheelchair ramps are for. Besides, I think her philosophy was to euthanize them, rather than institutionalize them. Last time I looked, I haven't seen any billboards saying, "Euthanize...don't Institutionalize!" Soylent green, anyone? But I digress...

Try to keep up. It's apparent to anyone with a meager half a brain that we, as a society, do NOT ascribe to all of Margaret Sanger's doctrine.

She's not Hitler. She didn't invent abortions. She had some outrageous ideas which never caught on in the US. Thankfully. There are probably people in the US now who think her ideas are wonderful; who cares as long as they remain the province of the body-temperature IQ set. She started off planned parenthood with, I believe it was, her book "Breeding the Thoroughbred". Planned parenthood morphed into a birth control provider and advocate which, arguably, has done some service in providing another alternative to abstinence or abortion.

Villify her. Burn her in effigy if you like. I'm pretty sure she won't care, being dead and all. You may even fantasize that God tossed her into hell for her thoughts if it makes you feel better. The next time you or your wife or your girlfriend (depending upon your gender, as appropriate) take a birth control pill, understand that access to that likely came from work Sanger did.

Wow, Zip, you are sounding almost as sanctimonious, self-important, and condescending as MeanasaSnake does.

Case in point: Nowhere in my posts have I ever mentioned anything remotely related to religion, yet you patronizingly throw in a statement snidely suggesting I might fantasize Sanger is burning in hell. How typical of the pro-abortion advocates to automatically assume that anyone who disagrees with them are inbred, bible thumping hillbillies with one finger in their nose and the other up their minister's rear. Your last disdainful post was pretty characteristic of this kind of arrogant mindset. Believe it or not, some of us pro-life people can read and go to the bathroom at the same time. Some of us even have a 6th grade education, but we just don't think we have to keep reminding people.

I've always liked you, Zip, and enjoyed your posts always. But this is the first time I have seen you come off as a pompous gasbag. I'll admit my posts didn't help this situation, even though you misconstrued what I was attempting to say. There is no common ground on the subject of abortion, so let's agree to disagree.

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Originally posted by reservation:

John Rockefeller, Alexander Graham Bell,

I remember that John Rockerfeller. Didn't he pitch for the Braves?

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I remember that John Rockerfeller. Didn't he pitch for the Braves?

Nope, short bus rider.

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I remember that John Rockerfeller. Didn't he pitch for the Braves?

Nope, short bus rider.

I doubt Rockerfeller would have gotten on the same bus with you. He wasn't THAT dumb.

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Case in point: Nowhere in my posts have I ever mentioned anything remotely related to religion, yet you patronizingly throw in a statement snidely suggesting I might fantasize Sanger is burning in hell.

You're right; I'll credit you that. I can claim to be addressing whatever group of religious nutcases who (in another post) howl with glee at the murder of the abortion doctor. For what it's worth, I regret my inaccuracy in ascribing any religious motivation to you.

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How typical of the pro-abortion advocates to automatically assume that anyone who disagrees with them are inbred, bible thumping hillbillies with one finger in their nose and the other up their minister's rear.

Well, first, I'm not "pro-abortion". Personally, I find the practice reprehensible. However, what I also find distasteful is forcing my moral values and standards upon another. I believe that people should have the benefit of making their own choices and living with the consequences.

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Your last disdainful post was pretty characteristic of this kind of arrogant mindset.

I'll put it off to a bad day. Son arrested; long story.

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Believe it or not, some of us pro-life people can read and go to the bathroom at the same time.

Certain aspects of bathroom visits, certainly. On some occasions, both of my hands are engaged.

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Some of us even have a 6th grade education, but we just don't think we have to keep reminding people.

I suspect some pro-life people have substantially better than a sixth grade eduction; however, there are those who enjoyed the experience so much they repeated it several times.
I will certainly endeavor to be a bit more civil after my life gets re-centered. I'm sorry to have disappointed anyone with my seeming arrogance and pomposity. I've been accused of those flaws in the past; I admit my guilt and I work hard to keep them hidden. I'm not always successful.

"Remember, Sanger was a progressive. Progressives have always affected the change in society one small step at a time. Her ultimate goal was abortion on demand. That was such a bizarre notion for people back then. Sanger used the contraception argument as just the first step in her progression twards abortion. She never intended to stop at contraception. If you study her writings in its entirety you will understand her motives."

Actually you are wrong. Sanger did not support abortion rights, but I realize that for you to admit that challenges an almost religiously held belief, so I will let it go.

"Progressives" have done many things since the beginning of our nations history and before. The Enlightenment, advancement of Science, Reformation, Democracy, free Elections among the many "progressive" historic accomplishments. In America's history we have the American Revolution (treason to the conservative), Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution as prime examples of "progressive" thought. (Freedom of Religion! What a terrifying progressive ideal!!). Luther, Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, John Wesley, Thomas Jefferson, Issac Newton, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, George Washington, Rousseau, Ferdinand & Isabella, Columbus, among other explorers, astronomers, scientists, physicians, monarchs and statesmen would have been considered "progressives" (and heretics), in their day. The following is a list of "progressive" accomplishments. Some of them you will clearly rail against, others you may actually admire. I am perfectly willing to attach myself to the progressive movement which brought us the following:

# Unemployment Insurance
# Medicare/Medicaid
# Food Stamps/WIC
# Social Security
# Peace between Israel and Egypt
# Peace between Israel and Jordan
# The Department of Education
# The Department of Energy
# The Department of Transportation
# The Department of Housing and Urban Development
# Labor Laws
# The Marshall Plan
# Winning World War II
# Food Safety Laws
# Workplace Safety Laws
# The Tennessee Valley Project
# The Civilian Conservation Corps
# The Securites and Exchange Commission
# Women's Right to Vote
# Universal Public Education
# National Weather Service
# Product Labeling Laws
# Truth in Advertising Laws
# Morrill Land Grant Act
# Rural Electrification
# Public Universities
# Bank Deposit Insurance (FDIC)
# Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
# Public Broadcasting
# Supporting the establishment of Israel
# The United Nations
# NATO

Zip,
You are a gentleman and a scholar. I consider you one of the most popular and well-liked posters on these forums.

Abortion is just one of those serious topics that can turn everyone into a comedian, if you get my drift. I'm sorry I turned into a third rate Don Rickles.

(I even kinda admire ole Snakie's intellect, but I would never tell her. It might go to her head. LOL!)

Anyway, I hope you had a great time at the Jazz Fest and everything works out with your present situation.