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Since when is it right to take the law into our own hands. Granted he might have been a "sick, sick man" and her life may have been bad but from what was shown in court her life was in no danger when she shot him. That was cold blooded murder. There were other ways she could have handled the situation. It is deplorable that she got away with this.
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Originally posted by Shoals Resident:
Since when is it right to take the law into our own hands. Granted he might have been a "sick, sick man" and her life may have been bad but from what was shown in court her life was in no danger when she shot him. That was cold blooded murder. There were other ways she could have handled the situation. It is deplorable that she got away with this.


Unless one has been a victim of DV, it is easy to 2nd guess a victim with regards to what SHOULD have been done or what YOU would do.
Did you get the part where I said Mary Winkler has been diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, MS?? This woman not only shot a sleeping man in the back, she unplugged and removed from the room the telephone he might have made a 911 call on. We only heard one side of this story, the dead man didn't testify. Contrast her 287 days to the 15 year Cherokee Library sentence. There are shelters and protective programs for abused women that don't involve a 12 gauge shotgun...this woman is inherently evil, perhaps her MS is karma.
Dog, I have been a victim of DV for 17 years. I did not commit cold blooded murder to get out of it but I did get out of it. There is never any justification for shooting a sleeping person in the back. Don't believe that she was afraid to leave. That's exactly what she did after she shot him. There is no justice when contrasting the Cherokee Library sentence and this. Same way with the Trey Wells murder. He murdered both his parents while they slept. He claimed sex abuse which was a total lie. Knew him and his parents. Will never believe his claim. Just played the sex abuse card in order to get a slap on the hand. Poor parents could not defend themselves against him when he murdered them and then couldn't defend their good name in court. The defense had absolutely nothing to support their claim but the court gave a light sentence "just in case". Our court system certainly has lots of room for improvement.
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Originally posted by Shoals Resident:
Dog, I have been a victim of DV for 17 years. I did not commit cold blooded murder to get out of it but I did get out of it. There is never any justification for shooting a sleeping person in the back. Don't believe that she was afraid to leave. That's exactly what she did after she shot him. There is no justice when contrasting the Cherokee Library sentence and this. Same way with the Trey Wells murder. He murdered both his parents while they slept. He claimed sex abuse which was a total lie. Knew him and his parents. Will never believe his claim. Just played the sex abuse card in order to get a slap on the hand. Poor parents could not defend themselves against him when he murdered them and then couldn't defend their good name in court. The defense had absolutely nothing to support their claim but the court gave a light sentence "just in case". Our court system certainly has lots of room for improvement.


Shoals Resident:

I appreciate your post so much. I have not been a victim of spousal abuse, but you made the points I wanted to make. It is hard to comment on this without seeming to downplay any abuse Mary Winkler may have suffered. I know it sounds flippant to say, "Why didn't she...." But as you point out so well, there were other avenues of escape available to her.

I also agree with you concerning the Wells case. Tre' had an extensive family support system and could have left before killing his parents.
She killed her husband in cold blood because she had pi**** away all their savings. Their banker had called him to arrange a meeting to tell him what was going on with their finances. She was caught pure and simple and took the coward's way out. The "abuse" angle was her lawyer's idea. I say MS is way to mild for her. No one near them ever saw one shred of abuse, and her children denied it too.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
She killed her husband in cold blood because she had pi**** away all their savings. Their banker had called him to arrange a meeting to tell him what was going on with their finances. She was caught pure and simple and took the coward's way out. The "abuse" angle was her lawyer's idea. I say MS is way to mild for her. No one near them ever saw one shred of abuse, and her children denied it too.



I should have kept the name(s) of her legal representation...apparently, they do good work.
LawGuy, I should have added Mary Winkler to our list of reasons why folks beat dead horses.

I watched the trial...the portions televised. Her defense team was masterful. Who can ever forget the way her demeanor matched the way they dressed her for court. Even negated the drinking at a bar while out on bail [girls just gotta have fun]. As diminutive as she appeared [coached], she didn’t seem capable of murder much less firing a 12 gauge. But yet.

What happened to her chillen? Last I heard, she was in a fight over them for custody with the paternal grandparents.

MS = Karma? Lawd, I hope not. I’ve paid my dues. Most of them.
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Originally posted by budsfarm:
What happened to her chillen? Last I heard, she was in a fight over them for custody with the paternal grandparents.


She received custody of them. If you'll click on the link I gave, it shows her children in it. She mentions her in-laws in the video. Sounds as if they get along but I'm sure they tolerate Winkler so they can see their grandchildren.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by budsfarm:
What happened to her chillen? Last I heard, she was in a fight over them for custody with the paternal grandparents.


She received custody of them. If you'll click on the link I gave, it shows her children in it. She mentions her in-laws in the video. Sounds as if they get along but I'm sure they tolerate Winkler so they can see their grandchildren.


Thanks for the update. I’m still on dial-up, so no videos. I believe your opinion to be correct. I doubt they see her as a widowed daughter in law.
I thought she looked psychotic in the court room, as if she had no feelings.

I wasn't on the jury, and I appreciate that anyone ever shows up for jury duty anymore. I can't know everything they heard and saw in the trial, and I also have to respect the judgement of the judge.

But as far as I'm concerned, if those high heeled shoes and that wig are what people are referring to as 'abuse', folks are living a sheltered life.
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Originally posted by HomesickGirl:
I thought she looked psychotic in the court room, as if she had no feelings.

But as far as I'm concerned, if those high heeled shoes and that wig are what people are referring to as 'abuse', folks are living a sheltered life.


If you watched the news, read the paper, or the parts that were televised during her trial, then you would know that the heels & wig "game" was not something she wanted to do. If a woman is forced to play those kind of "games", in my opinion & those of the jury/judge, that's abuse.
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Originally posted by earthmomma:
Tt occurs to me that maybe TN found precursors of MS in psychological or blood tests and did not want to provide treatment for many years. This would be a possible cause for early release. Everything that happens is not already released to the media at once. This is just a way out em theory.


Very interesting...you just might be on to something there. I have heard that she is "reaching out" to her in-laws, parents of the man she murdered, trying to make nice and get help with her kids in the face of her impending health battle.
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
There are shelters and protective programs for abused women that don't involve a 12 gauge shotgun...


True, but it's a huge risk for the abused woman. She only has to skim through the news to know that. How many women who chose shelters and protective programs died at the hands of the abuser who wouldn't take no for an answer? To me, death is better than living in hell and I'd still leave.

If the abuse charges are true, I'd guess she shot him in the back because she knew her limits. If he was looking her in the eyes, her fear would leave her paralyzed...again. I'd guess she didn't leave because he had told her what would happen if she did & she believed him.

Or...she could be a cold blooded killer...we'll never know.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by HomesickGirl:
I thought she looked psychotic in the court room, as if she had no feelings.

But as far as I'm concerned, if those high heeled shoes and that wig are what people are referring to as 'abuse', folks are living a sheltered life.


If you watched the news, read the paper, or the parts that were televised during her trial, then you would know that the heels & wig "game" was not something she wanted to do. If a woman is forced to play those kind of "games", in my opinion & those of the jury/judge, that's abuse.


I agree that she should not have been forced to do anything she didn't want to do.

I'm talking about the reaction to the idea of this kind of activity within a marriage. He was called a pervert for asking that of her in the first place. I heard people say that this alone was reason to kill him.

I guess it can just be chalked up to lawyer tactics. If it had served their case to say that they played dress up in the bedroom, her lawyers would have defended the practice.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
From what I read & saw televised was that the abuse went far above making her play dress up. It was what he did to her while playing dress up & in just every day living.


Could you be more specific?? I have friends who live in Selmer and were linked congregationally but some how I missed the details you refer to. I don't condone "perversion", marital or otherwise but very few crimes today carry the death penalty like Winkler's did. Little details like removing the phone from the room, having the car packed, having the kids already in the car, having a pre-planned destination...seems to me all these things scream "premeditated murder".

Mary Winkler got away with a brutal murder but she will deal with MS.
The husband was a typical CoC "minister": Family guy to the outside world but abused the wife behind closed doors. He's not in the minority that way.

But the woman was abused. You can't possible know her fear or motivations unless you walked in her shoes. Most men don't get that but still feel the need to comment as though they are experts.

The jury found her guilty of voluntary manslaughter. It's done already.
My 1st husband abused me for 13 years,my family didn't know,my best friend didn't know.They thought he was the sweetest person in the world.I was scared to death that he would hurt my children.It took months to come up with a plan to leave,I had to move over 500 miles away to feel half way safe. If he would have found me,I would have killed him,just to keep my children safe.You never know what another person is going through or what their breaking point is.
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Unsubstantiated, where is the evidence of abuse?? Documented police complaints, battered spouse shelter documentation?? All you had to persuade this jury was a mousey woman a slick attorney. There was a miscarriage of justice in the Winkler case. If the court didn't get her the Multiple Sclerosis will. You play, you pay.


She never reported the abuse, though friends & some of her family members did see bruises at times. She was afraid no one would believe her, what with him being a preacher. He often put a pillow over the baby's face to stop her from crying, which had happened the night before the shooting. He often put his gun to Mary's head to intimadate her. According to court records, this man was a real jerk, while wearing the hat of a Christian.
There is no evidence in the Winkler case. If your spouse is abusing you, make some noise, create a paper trail. Go public, these men are cowards and exposing them to the light of justice will cause them to flee. The silent wife is enabling the abuser...I have seen too many of these first hand, while the blood was still on the floor.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Unsubstantiated, where is the evidence of abuse?? Documented police complaints, battered spouse shelter documentation?? All you had to persuade this jury was a mousey woman a slick attorney. There was a miscarriage of justice in the Winkler case. If the court didn't get her the Multiple Sclerosis will. You play, you pay.


She never reported the abuse, though friends & some of her family members did see bruises at times. She was afraid no one would believe her, what with him being a preacher. He often put a pillow over the baby's face to stop her from crying, which had happened the night before the shooting. He often put his gun to Mary's head to intimadate her. According to court records, this man was a real jerk, while wearing the hat of a Christian.


Bruises...?? Okay, suppose we stipulate that some type of abuse did happen, even though not supported by evidence, DID the injury (bruises and mental intimidation) rise to the level of EXECUTION/MURDER??? Mary the prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner will be punished. Maybe with MS she will not live to see her children graduate, marry or have children. Karma has a way of making you pay.
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Unsubstantiated, where is the evidence of abuse?? Documented police complaints, battered spouse shelter documentation?? All you had to persuade this jury was a mousey woman a slick attorney. There was a miscarriage of justice in the Winkler case. If the court didn't get her the Multiple Sclerosis will. You play, you pay.


She never reported the abuse, though friends & some of her family members did see bruises at times. She was afraid no one would believe her, what with him being a preacher. He often put a pillow over the baby's face to stop her from crying, which had happened the night before the shooting. He often put his gun to Mary's head to intimadate her. According to court records, this man was a real jerk, while wearing the hat of a Christian.


Bruises...?? Okay, suppose we stipulate that some type of abuse did happen, even though not supported by evidence, DID the injury (bruises and mental intimidation) rise to the level of EXECUTION/MURDER??? Mary the prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner will be punished. Maybe with MS she will not live to see her children graduate, marry or have children. Karma has a way of making you pay.


So you wish for her children to see their mother live in pain and eventually die from MS? Funny, aren't you one of the loudest pro-lifers on here? If you really cared about children....

Despite how you feel about Mary, those children love their mother and it would be painful for them to see their mother suffer. Do you not get that? More importantly, do you even care?

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