DF
I can't believe you posted that.
DF
DF
I can't believe I didn't get that one right away.
I can't believe that I am going to join in on this.
I BELIEVE I'll have another beer.
I can't believe how good this roasted/jerked pork and cold Corona tastes!
quote:Originally posted by Dawkins7:
I BELIEVE I'll have another beer.
It would be you Dawk that will not conform to the rest of our "can't beliefs" I am not surprised. I will pray for you at the next atheist can't believe revival.
I just can't believe you would say that....
Nonya,
I can't believe you will pray for Dawk, for not conforming to the Not Believe Dogma du jure.
I'll pray for you.
DF
I can't believe you will pray for Dawk, for not conforming to the Not Believe Dogma du jure.
I'll pray for you.
DF
I can't believe this thread is still going on.
Mass Delusion - not! Costa Rican officials dethroning the Catholic Church? Let's hope so.
Costa Rican legislators consider taking ‘God’ out of installation oath and removing official status of the Catholic Church
"Meanwhile, government contributions to the Catholic Church increased by 450 percent during the past two years. The money, amounting to nearly $569 million dollars, is used primarily to repair and restore Roman Catholic churches, many of which are considered to be part of the nation’s heritage.
The current Costa Rican constitution allows government contributions to the churches “which contribute toward their maintenance.”
Under the proposed constitutional revision, the government could continue making such contributions but would not be obligated to do so."
Costa Rican legislators consider taking ‘God’ out of installation oath and removing official status of the Catholic Church
"Meanwhile, government contributions to the Catholic Church increased by 450 percent during the past two years. The money, amounting to nearly $569 million dollars, is used primarily to repair and restore Roman Catholic churches, many of which are considered to be part of the nation’s heritage.
The current Costa Rican constitution allows government contributions to the churches “which contribute toward their maintenance.”
Under the proposed constitutional revision, the government could continue making such contributions but would not be obligated to do so."
Way to go Costa Rica!
Welcome to the Enlightenment!
DF
Welcome to the Enlightenment!
DF
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Way to go Costa Rica!
Welcome to the Enlightenment!
DF
Catholicism involves many sacraments that really have nothing to do with Scriptual teachings. I'll go into those if asked. I believe it's a mistake for them to take "God" out. As for DF's enlightenment, it's more accurately "inthedarkment."
quote:As for DF's enlightenment, it's more accurately "inthedarkment."
You mean like the theocratic Dark Ages when Christianity dominated Western civilization.
quote:Originally posted by davidnmiles:quote:As for DF's enlightenment, it's more accurately "inthedarkment."
You mean like the theocratic Dark Ages when Christianity dominated Western civilization.
You mean when power hungry liars wanted to take over by using Christ as a scapegoat, when, truth be told, they were no more Christian than Saddam Hussein?
Doing something "in the name of Jesus" doesn't necessarily mean Jesus is behind it. i.e. Benny Hinn, Jim Jones, David Koresh. . .
Mr. Tomme73 is right. I think that I may have met you at church one night. Do you ever attend the Greenhill Church of Christ? I visited there two weeks ago on Wednesday night, and met a young man that talks like you do.
Punkin,
How much money have you sent to Benny Hinn?
DF
How much money have you sent to Benny Hinn?
DF
quote:Originally posted by Punkin:
Mr. Tomme73 is right. I think that I may have met you at church one night. Do you ever attend the Greenhill Church of Christ? I visited there two weeks ago on Wednesday night, and met a young man that talks like you do.
Punkin,
No, I've never been to Greenhill Church of Christ. I am a member of Parkview Baptist Church in Tuscumbia. I also am active in the choir and lead 5th and 6th graders on Wednesday nights. I haven't been to another church since getting out of the Navy in 2007.
Beliefs have consequences, especially irrational beliefs.
Christian's death sparks protests.
(UKPA) – 20 hours ago
Pakistani Christians have clashed with security forces at the funeral of a Christian man who police said hanged himself in jail while being held on accusations he defiled the Muslim holy book.
Some Christian leaders alleged he was murdered.
The clashes - just weeks after eight Christians were burned to death by a Muslim mob - are a reminder of the tensions simmering in religious minority communities in Muslim-majority Pakistan, where a spreading Taliban movement has fuelled Islamist extremism.
Fanish Masih was found dead on Tuesday in his cell in Sialkot, a town in Punjab province.
Jail superintendent Farooq Lodhi said the 19-year-old hanged himself using the string that held up his trousers.
The National Commission for Justice and Peace, a Catholic-led advocacy group in Pakistan, called the death an "extra-judicial murder" and demanded an investigation.
Mr Lodhi denied any crime had been committed, adding that a post-mortem examination was conducted.
"Those who say he was killed in the jail are in fact trying to create unrest and confrontation between Muslims and Christians," he said.
According to the National Commission for Justice and Peace, Masih was accused of throwing a chapter of the Koran down a drain last week in Jatheki village. Muslims in the village near Sialkot responded by burning a church, and Masih was arrested the following day.
About 700 people attended Masih's funeral. Dozens of younger mourners began tossing stones at nearby police, who reacted by beating the protesters with batons and firing tear gas into the crowd.
Christian's death sparks protests.
(UKPA) – 20 hours ago
Pakistani Christians have clashed with security forces at the funeral of a Christian man who police said hanged himself in jail while being held on accusations he defiled the Muslim holy book.
Some Christian leaders alleged he was murdered.
The clashes - just weeks after eight Christians were burned to death by a Muslim mob - are a reminder of the tensions simmering in religious minority communities in Muslim-majority Pakistan, where a spreading Taliban movement has fuelled Islamist extremism.
Fanish Masih was found dead on Tuesday in his cell in Sialkot, a town in Punjab province.
Jail superintendent Farooq Lodhi said the 19-year-old hanged himself using the string that held up his trousers.
The National Commission for Justice and Peace, a Catholic-led advocacy group in Pakistan, called the death an "extra-judicial murder" and demanded an investigation.
Mr Lodhi denied any crime had been committed, adding that a post-mortem examination was conducted.
"Those who say he was killed in the jail are in fact trying to create unrest and confrontation between Muslims and Christians," he said.
According to the National Commission for Justice and Peace, Masih was accused of throwing a chapter of the Koran down a drain last week in Jatheki village. Muslims in the village near Sialkot responded by burning a church, and Masih was arrested the following day.
About 700 people attended Masih's funeral. Dozens of younger mourners began tossing stones at nearby police, who reacted by beating the protesters with batons and firing tear gas into the crowd.
A sad comment on America....
Charles Darwin film 'too controversial for religious America'
A British film about Charles Darwin has failed to find a US distributor because his theory of evolution is too controversial for American audiences, according to its producer.
The film was chosen to open the Toronto Film Festival and has its British premiere on Sunday. It has been sold in almost every territory around the world, from Australia to Scandinavia.
Movieguide.org, an influential site which reviews films from a Christian perspective, described Darwin as the father of eugenics and denounced him as "a racist, a bigot and an 1800s naturalist whose legacy is mass murder". His "half-baked theory" directly influenced Adolf Hitler and led to "atrocities, crimes against humanity, cloning and genetic engineering", the site stated.
The film has sparked fierce debate on US Christian websites, with a typical comment dismissing evolution as "a silly theory with a serious lack of evidence to support it despite over a century of trying".
"Charles Darwin is, I suppose, the hero of the film. But we tried to make the film in a very even-handed way. Darwin wasn't saying 'kill all religion', he never said such a thing, but he is a totem for people."
Charles Darwin film 'too controversial for religious America'
A British film about Charles Darwin has failed to find a US distributor because his theory of evolution is too controversial for American audiences, according to its producer.
The film was chosen to open the Toronto Film Festival and has its British premiere on Sunday. It has been sold in almost every territory around the world, from Australia to Scandinavia.
Movieguide.org, an influential site which reviews films from a Christian perspective, described Darwin as the father of eugenics and denounced him as "a racist, a bigot and an 1800s naturalist whose legacy is mass murder". His "half-baked theory" directly influenced Adolf Hitler and led to "atrocities, crimes against humanity, cloning and genetic engineering", the site stated.
The film has sparked fierce debate on US Christian websites, with a typical comment dismissing evolution as "a silly theory with a serious lack of evidence to support it despite over a century of trying".
"Charles Darwin is, I suppose, the hero of the film. But we tried to make the film in a very even-handed way. Darwin wasn't saying 'kill all religion', he never said such a thing, but he is a totem for people."
Islam’s Darwin problem
Americans familiar with the long and bitter battle over the teaching of evolution in our schools likely have a set of images of what creationism looks like: from the Scopes trial, and its dramatization in “Inherit the Wind,” to more recent battles over textbooks on school boards in Kansas and Georgia and in federal court in Pennsylvania. The doctrine of creationism, and its less explicitly religious cousin intelligent design, are extensively developed counter-narratives of the origin of life on Earth, fed by Christian concerns and shaped by Christian beliefs. In its more extreme forms, creationist thought is guided by a faith in the inerrancy of the language of the Book of Genesis, so that some creationists see in the fossil record evidence that Noah must have herded dinosaurs onto his ark along with the rest of creation.
But there is another creationist movement whose influence is growing, and which is fueling challenges to science in countries where Christianity has little sway: Islamic creationism. Campaigners in countries like Turkey, Lebanon, Egypt, and Indonesia have fought the teaching of evolution in schools there, sometimes with great success. Creationist conferences have been held in Pakistan, and moderate Islamic clerics are on record publicly condemning Darwin’s ideas. A recent study of Muslim university students in the Netherlands showed that most rejected evolution. And driven in part by a mysterious Turkish publishing organization, Islamic creationism books are hot sellers at bookstores throughout the Muslim world....
Americans familiar with the long and bitter battle over the teaching of evolution in our schools likely have a set of images of what creationism looks like: from the Scopes trial, and its dramatization in “Inherit the Wind,” to more recent battles over textbooks on school boards in Kansas and Georgia and in federal court in Pennsylvania. The doctrine of creationism, and its less explicitly religious cousin intelligent design, are extensively developed counter-narratives of the origin of life on Earth, fed by Christian concerns and shaped by Christian beliefs. In its more extreme forms, creationist thought is guided by a faith in the inerrancy of the language of the Book of Genesis, so that some creationists see in the fossil record evidence that Noah must have herded dinosaurs onto his ark along with the rest of creation.
But there is another creationist movement whose influence is growing, and which is fueling challenges to science in countries where Christianity has little sway: Islamic creationism. Campaigners in countries like Turkey, Lebanon, Egypt, and Indonesia have fought the teaching of evolution in schools there, sometimes with great success. Creationist conferences have been held in Pakistan, and moderate Islamic clerics are on record publicly condemning Darwin’s ideas. A recent study of Muslim university students in the Netherlands showed that most rejected evolution. And driven in part by a mysterious Turkish publishing organization, Islamic creationism books are hot sellers at bookstores throughout the Muslim world....
The scared minds of Fundamentalists must invent a reality that requires neither courage nor intelligence to accept.
You might find these videos interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...t_from=TL&playnext=1
You might find these videos interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...t_from=TL&playnext=1
What do you expect from a group that denies the universal gravitational constant (g) and the ratio between the diameter and circumference of a circle (pi) because they would limit the power and authority of allah? Apparently, allah can make pi equal to five if he likes.
Other countries polling results as well.
Creationism in science classes? Brits give it the green light....
Lewis Wolpert, emeritus professor of biology at University College London said: “I am appalled. It shows how ignorant the public is. Intelligent design and creationism have no connection with science and are purely religious concepts. There is no evidence for them at all. They must be kept out of science lessons.”
Steve Jones, professor of genetics at UCL, and a previous winner of the NSS’s Secularist of the Year award, said: “This shows the danger of religions being allowed to buy schools, hijack lessons and pretend that they have anything useful to say about science – which, by definition, they do not. The figure seems much too high, although no doubt there is a substantial minority that does think this.”
Terry Sanderson, President of the National Secular Society, added: “I agree with Lewis Wolpert that this illustrates how grotesquely ignorant the public is on this topic. It would be an abuse of children’s education to allow this silly creationist mythology to creep into science lessons and be presented to children as the equivalent of a properly researched and demonstrable theory like evolution. But this kind of ill-informed poll gives creationists new hope that their agenda is gaining credibility. Unfortunately, teachers are now so fearful of contradicting religious perspectives on creationism, especially Islamic ones, that banning them from science lessons is the only way forward.”
Creationism in science classes? Brits give it the green light....
Lewis Wolpert, emeritus professor of biology at University College London said: “I am appalled. It shows how ignorant the public is. Intelligent design and creationism have no connection with science and are purely religious concepts. There is no evidence for them at all. They must be kept out of science lessons.”
Steve Jones, professor of genetics at UCL, and a previous winner of the NSS’s Secularist of the Year award, said: “This shows the danger of religions being allowed to buy schools, hijack lessons and pretend that they have anything useful to say about science – which, by definition, they do not. The figure seems much too high, although no doubt there is a substantial minority that does think this.”
Terry Sanderson, President of the National Secular Society, added: “I agree with Lewis Wolpert that this illustrates how grotesquely ignorant the public is on this topic. It would be an abuse of children’s education to allow this silly creationist mythology to creep into science lessons and be presented to children as the equivalent of a properly researched and demonstrable theory like evolution. But this kind of ill-informed poll gives creationists new hope that their agenda is gaining credibility. Unfortunately, teachers are now so fearful of contradicting religious perspectives on creationism, especially Islamic ones, that banning them from science lessons is the only way forward.”
Ok explain why so many doctors claim to witness miracle healings.And if I am delusional then surely I qualify for a government check for being insane. Where is my check?!!!
quote:Originally posted by ms. wonka:
Ok explain why so many doctors claim to witness miracle healings.And if I am delusional then surely I qualify for a government check for being insane. Where is my check?!!!
ms wonka, are there any "miracle healings" that are documented? That don't have a sufficient medical explanation?
Please share with us any legitimate evidence that you have.
Regards
quote:Originally posted by ms. wonka:
Ok explain why so many doctors claim to witness miracle healings.And if I am delusional then surely I qualify for a government check for being insane. Where is my check?!!!
These are medical miracles, not heavenly miracles. God does not participate in our everyday lives, except to talk to us directly, if our hearts are open to the Holy Spirit.
Born in U.S., a Radical Cleric Inspires Terror?
By SCOTT SHANE
Published: November 18, 2009
WASHINGTON — In nearly a dozen recent terrorism cases in the United States, Britain and Canada, investigators discovered the suspects had something in common: a devotion to the message of Anwar al-Awlaki, an eloquent Muslim cleric who has turned the Web into a tool for extremist indoctrination.
By SCOTT SHANE
Published: November 18, 2009
WASHINGTON — In nearly a dozen recent terrorism cases in the United States, Britain and Canada, investigators discovered the suspects had something in common: a devotion to the message of Anwar al-Awlaki, an eloquent Muslim cleric who has turned the Web into a tool for extremist indoctrination.
Somali girl 'was stoned to death' after being gang raped....
"Amnesty International has condemned the stoning of a 13-year-old girl in southern Somalia. The human rights organisation claims the teenager was stoned to death after her father informed the authorities that she had been gang-raped. She was reportedly accused of adultery and the stoning, in front of a crowd of around 1,000, was her punishment. Reporter Jon Manel and Kate Allen, director of Amnesty International, discuss the influence of militant Islamist group Al Shabab, which has control of some areas in Somalia."
Please listen to he short audio clip.
"Amnesty International has condemned the stoning of a 13-year-old girl in southern Somalia. The human rights organisation claims the teenager was stoned to death after her father informed the authorities that she had been gang-raped. She was reportedly accused of adultery and the stoning, in front of a crowd of around 1,000, was her punishment. Reporter Jon Manel and Kate Allen, director of Amnesty International, discuss the influence of militant Islamist group Al Shabab, which has control of some areas in Somalia."
Please listen to he short audio clip.
Hated without cause: faith’s high price.
"Christianah Oluwatoyin Oluwasesin, a Christian teacher in Nigeria, was beaten, stoned and clubbed to death by Muslim students because she touched a student’s bag that contained a Koran, thereby “desecrating” it.
Mrs Oluwasesin was supervising an exam, and collected the bags to prevent cheating. Other Muslims tried to save her, but extremists from outside joined the melee, stoning her rescuers (Christian and Muslims), dragging her outside and killing her, then burning her corpse."
Please read the rest of this article, the link is above.
"Christianah Oluwatoyin Oluwasesin, a Christian teacher in Nigeria, was beaten, stoned and clubbed to death by Muslim students because she touched a student’s bag that contained a Koran, thereby “desecrating” it.
Mrs Oluwasesin was supervising an exam, and collected the bags to prevent cheating. Other Muslims tried to save her, but extremists from outside joined the melee, stoning her rescuers (Christian and Muslims), dragging her outside and killing her, then burning her corpse."
Please read the rest of this article, the link is above.
Relic reveals Noah's ark was circular.
by Maev Kennedy
That they processed aboard the enormous floating wildlife collection two-by-two is well known. Less familiar, however, is the possibility that the animals Noah shepherded on to his ark then went round and round inside.
According to newly translated instructions inscribed in ancient Babylonian on a clay tablet telling the story of the ark, the vessel that saved one virtuous man, his family and the animals from god's watery wrath was not the pointy-prowed craft of popular imagination but rather a giant circular reed raft.
The now battered tablet, aged about 3,700 years, was found somewhere in the Middle East by Leonard Simmons, a largely self-educated Londoner who indulged his passion for history while serving in the RAF from 1945 to 1948.
The relic was passed to his son Douglas, who took it to one of the few people in the world who could read it as easily as the back of a cornflakes box; he gave it to Irving Finkel, a British Museum expert, who translated its 60 lines of neat cuneiform script.
There are dozens of ancient tablets that have been found which describe the flood story but Finkel says this one is the first to describe the vessel's shape.
"In all the images ever made people assumed the ark was, in effect, an ocean-going boat, with a pointed stem and stern for riding the waves – so that is how they portrayed it," said Finkel. "But the ark didn't have to go anywhere, it just had to float, and the instructions are for a type of craft which they knew very well. It's still sometimes used in Iran and Iraq today, a type of round coracle which they would have known exactly how to use to transport animals across a river or floods."
by Maev Kennedy
That they processed aboard the enormous floating wildlife collection two-by-two is well known. Less familiar, however, is the possibility that the animals Noah shepherded on to his ark then went round and round inside.
According to newly translated instructions inscribed in ancient Babylonian on a clay tablet telling the story of the ark, the vessel that saved one virtuous man, his family and the animals from god's watery wrath was not the pointy-prowed craft of popular imagination but rather a giant circular reed raft.
The now battered tablet, aged about 3,700 years, was found somewhere in the Middle East by Leonard Simmons, a largely self-educated Londoner who indulged his passion for history while serving in the RAF from 1945 to 1948.
The relic was passed to his son Douglas, who took it to one of the few people in the world who could read it as easily as the back of a cornflakes box; he gave it to Irving Finkel, a British Museum expert, who translated its 60 lines of neat cuneiform script.
There are dozens of ancient tablets that have been found which describe the flood story but Finkel says this one is the first to describe the vessel's shape.
"In all the images ever made people assumed the ark was, in effect, an ocean-going boat, with a pointed stem and stern for riding the waves – so that is how they portrayed it," said Finkel. "But the ark didn't have to go anywhere, it just had to float, and the instructions are for a type of craft which they knew very well. It's still sometimes used in Iran and Iraq today, a type of round coracle which they would have known exactly how to use to transport animals across a river or floods."
Cartoonist in Denmark Calls Attack ‘Really Close’
John Burns
LONDON — A heavily bandaged 28-year-old Somali man was wheeled into a Danish court on a stretcher on Saturday and was charged with attempting to kill a Danish artist whose 2005 cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad was one of a series that ignited riots across the Muslim world, as well as firebombing attacks on Danish and other Western diplomatic missions.
At one point during the attack, which took place late Friday, only a reinforced bathroom door protected the artist, Kurt Westergaard, 74, who was shielding his 5-year-old granddaughter as the attacker — armed with an ax and a knife and shouting “Revenge!” and “Blood!” — tried to smash through the door, according to an account the artist gave to the newspaper that employs him, Jyllands-Posten.
The artist and his granddaughter, who was on a sleepover at the house, were alone there when the attacker struck.
The suspect was wounded by police gunshots to the knee and hand when he resisted arrest after breaking into Mr. Westergaard’s home by smashing a rear window with the ax, according to a police statement.
At the court hearing, in the artist’s hometown of Aarhus, about 200 miles by road from Copenhagen on the Danish mainland, the attacker was formally charged with two counts of attempted murder for trying to kill Mr. Westergaard and a police officer.
John Burns
LONDON — A heavily bandaged 28-year-old Somali man was wheeled into a Danish court on a stretcher on Saturday and was charged with attempting to kill a Danish artist whose 2005 cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad was one of a series that ignited riots across the Muslim world, as well as firebombing attacks on Danish and other Western diplomatic missions.
At one point during the attack, which took place late Friday, only a reinforced bathroom door protected the artist, Kurt Westergaard, 74, who was shielding his 5-year-old granddaughter as the attacker — armed with an ax and a knife and shouting “Revenge!” and “Blood!” — tried to smash through the door, according to an account the artist gave to the newspaper that employs him, Jyllands-Posten.
The artist and his granddaughter, who was on a sleepover at the house, were alone there when the attacker struck.
The suspect was wounded by police gunshots to the knee and hand when he resisted arrest after breaking into Mr. Westergaard’s home by smashing a rear window with the ax, according to a police statement.
At the court hearing, in the artist’s hometown of Aarhus, about 200 miles by road from Copenhagen on the Danish mainland, the attacker was formally charged with two counts of attempted murder for trying to kill Mr. Westergaard and a police officer.
Hi Miami,
And, this news that Islam is NOT a religion of PEACE -- is supposed to surprise folks?
I'll bet even old Gomer Pyle would not have been, "Surprised! Surprised! Surprised!"
Next!
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
And, this news that Islam is NOT a religion of PEACE -- is supposed to surprise folks?
I'll bet even old Gomer Pyle would not have been, "Surprised! Surprised! Surprised!"
Next!
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Miami,
And, this news that Islam is NOT a religion of PEACE -- is supposed to surprise folks?
I'll bet even old Gomer Pyle would not have been, "Surprised! Surprised! Surprised!"
Next!
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Hi Bill.
Do you think Muslims are deluded?
Regards
This is seriously disconcerting to read some of the views people have written on in this forum. Did we forget this nation was built on religious freedom and "one nation under God."
quote:Originally posted by ccrider:
This is seriously disconcerting to read some of the views people have written on in this forum. Did we forget this nation was built on religious freedom and "one nation under God."
"Religious Freedom and One Nation Under God."
IMHO, that's a conflicting statement if you're referring to a specific God.
There have been thousands of Gods throughout history.
Why is it that some believers take a lot for granted with the founders philosophy?
Regards
Yes, there have been several Gods throughout history and i am fully aware of the founding fathers religious preferences, being that most were freemasons. Some were quakers, mormons, christians, and even some that did not have a religious preference but did believe in a higher power. I personally am not big on organized religion, but the bible says to come together and worship.
quote:Originally posted by ccrider: Yes, there have been several Gods throughout history and i am fully aware of the founding fathers religious preferences, being that most were freemasons. Some were quakers, mormons, christians, and even some that did not have a religious preference but did believe in a higher power. I personally am not big on organized religion, but the bible says to come together and worship.
Hi CCRider,
True, there have always been numerous gods -- but, only one God. And, true, most of our founding fathers were believers, to some extent or another. And, many may have been Freemasons. Keep in mind that many true Christians have been fooled into believing that the Freemasons is a Christian organization -- when, in fact, it is just the opposite. You will find that those Masons who believe this are those in the lower degrees. It is when they get into the higher degrees of Masonry that the true nature emerges. So, the majority of Masons being in the lower degrees are totally fooled.
It is obvious that America was founded upon Christian Biblical principles; the Bible being their guidepost. From the Mayflower Compact ("IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN. We, whose names are underwritten, . . . Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith,. . ."), through the Declaration of Independence ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,"), and to the Constitution -- the influence of the Bible was shown. Yes, the Constitution was influenced by Biblical thinking -- for that is how the First Amendment came about: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; . . ."
The key phrase in the First Amendment being "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." All Americans are guaranteed the freedom to worship as they please or not to worship at all. However, there is nothing in the First Amendment which precludes Christian influence within our governing bodies.
And, CC, I do agree with you that the Bible does tell us to gather together with other believers and worship our Creator, God.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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I couldn't agree with you more.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi CCRider,
Keep in mind that many true Christians have been fooled into believing that the Freemasons is a Christian organization -- when, in fact, it is just the opposite. You will find that those Masons who believe this are those in the lower degrees. It is when they get into the higher degrees of Masonry that the true nature emerges. So, the majority of Masons being in the lower degrees are totally fooled.
Bill, you reached which level of Freemasonry?
quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi CCRider,
Keep in mind that many true Christians have been fooled into believing that the Freemasons is a Christian organization -- when, in fact, it is just the opposite. You will find that those Masons who believe this are those in the lower degrees. It is when they get into the higher degrees of Masonry that the true nature emerges. So, the majority of Masons being in the lower degrees are totally fooled.
Bill, you reached which level of Freemasonry?
Hi Crusty,
Does one have to be a horse to know not to step in horse droppings?
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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