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Biggles 1st Theorem of Irregularities: Einstein proved that there are no straight lines in the universe. McCain has now established that there is no straight talk on the Straight Talk Express. "He who is not sure of his memory should not undertake the trade of lying." --- Montaigne "Hey, Grampie, you need to listen to Montaigne!" --- F.L. Biggles
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McCain as a young congressman in 1983 voted against a federal holiday for Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

In December 1999 McCain told NBC's Tim Russert, "on the Martin Luther King issue, we all learn, OK? We all learn. I will admit to learning, and I hope that the people that I represent appreciate that, too. I voted in 1983 against the recognition of Martin Luther King….I regret that vote."

In 1990, Arizonans were given an opportunity to vote to observe an MLK holiday. McCain successfully appealed to former President Ronald Reagan to support the holiday. In a letter to voters, Reagan wrote that he hoped Arizonans would "join me in supporting a holiday to commemorate these ideals to which Dr. King dedicated his life."

In November 1992, Arizonans voted to re-elect McCain. They also voted in favor of an MLK holiday.
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Originally posted by The Mungo Jerry:
in 83 McCain was in his late 40's so i dunno what you define as "young" or a youthful mistake


the term "youthful mistake" was not mentioned in my statement. John McCain was elected to the House of Representatives in 1982...so in 1983, he was a young representative...ie, new to the office.
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Originally posted by LMM:
BTDT, he said he was against it at first. Not news.


Madam LMM,

Everyone knows McCain opposed the MLK holiday in Arizona and nationally.

What IS news is that on this video, made on August 1, 2008, "during a press availability in Panama City, Florida, John McCain said, “I have supported hundreds of pieces of legislation, which would help Americans obtain an equal opportunity in America. I am proud of that record, from fighting for the recognition of Dr. Martin Luther King’s birthday in my state to sponsoring specific legislation that would prevent discrimination in any shape or form in America today.”

I see three possibilities in explaining McCain's statement on August 1:

1. McCain blatantly lied.

2. McCain's senility has gotten so bad that he actually now thinks that he supported MLK Day!

3. McCain has been replaced by a Kim Jong-il type imposter? He sure doesn't act like he used to.

What's your opinion, LMM. Do you choose alternative 1, 2 or 3?
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Originally posted by The Mungo Jerry:
He was new to the OFFICE not new to LIFE,hey maybe you are correct maybe he is just very slow and ignorant


My statement is not quoting McCain as saying he was "young". Those are not his words.

I defy you to prove where McCain mistreated or abused anybody. He had an opinion and he voiced it, just as any citizen can.

It is amusing that you would invoke the name of the racist democrat George Wallace as a comparison.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by The Mungo Jerry:
He was new to the OFFICE not new to LIFE,hey maybe you are correct maybe he is just very slow and ignorant


My statement is not quoting McCain as saying he was "young". Those are not his words.

I defy you to prove where McCain mistreated or abused anybody. He had an opinion and he voiced it, just as any citizen can.

It is amusing that you would invoke the name of the racist democrat George Wallace as a comparison.


But WHY DID HE LIE ABOUT IT on August 1 in the video?
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by MacKnif:
Why is it that Democrats always are the ones that want to interject race into this race?


Because they're racists? Yep, I'm pretty sure that's it.


Madam Sassy,

But why won't anyone answer my question?

Why did McCain lie on Aug. 1 and say he supported MLK Day in Arizona?

WHY DID HE LIE? IS HE JUST SENILE? DID HE NOT EVEN KNOW HE WAS LYING ON CAMERA AND WOULD BE CAUGHT? IS HE LIVING IN A FANTASY WORLD?
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Originally posted by FLBiggles:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by MacKnif:
Why is it that Democrats always are the ones that want to interject race into this race?


Because they're racists? Yep, I'm pretty sure that's it.


Madam Sassy,

But why won't anyone answer my question?

Why did McCain lie on Aug. 1 and say he supported MLK Day in Arizona?

WHY DID HE LIE? IS HE JUST SENILE? DID HE NOT EVEN KNOW HE WAS LYING ON CAMERA AND WOULD BE CAUGHT? IS HE LIVING IN A FANTASY WORLD?


I'll answer yours when you answer the question smurf asked you and you've been dodging for three or more days.

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After an estimated 6 threads(i remember this many there could be more i am not going to check)concerning McCains adultery,,,just what is it you would like for us to do about it? Not one person who is a McCain fan had denied his affair here.So the reasoning cannot be to convince anyone it happened.
So PLUEEEEZEEEEE,, shed some light here,we have got to have some relief about this affair that took place OVER 20yrs ago. Tell us what it is EXACTLY you want us to do about it?


Awaiting your answer...then I'll give you one to your question.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by FLBiggles:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by MacKnif:
Why is it that Democrats always are the ones that want to interject race into this race?


Because they're racists? Yep, I'm pretty sure that's it.


Madam Sassy,

But why won't anyone answer my question?

Why did McCain lie on Aug. 1 and say he supported MLK Day in Arizona?

WHY DID HE LIE? IS HE JUST SENILE? DID HE NOT EVEN KNOW HE WAS LYING ON CAMERA AND WOULD BE CAUGHT? IS HE LIVING IN A FANTASY WORLD?


I'll answer yours when you answer the question smurf asked you and you've been dodging for three or more days.

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After an estimated 6 threads(i remember this many there could be more i am not going to check)concerning McCains adultery,,,just what is it you would like for us to do about it? Not one person who is a McCain fan had denied his affair here.So the reasoning cannot be to convince anyone it happened.
So PLUEEEEZEEEEE,, shed some light here,we have got to have some relief about this affair that took place OVER 20yrs ago. Tell us what it is EXACTLY you want us to do about it?


Awaiting your answer...then I'll give you one to your question.


Madam Sassy,
To answer the question, "Tell us what it is EXACTLY you want us to do about it?," I would have to say that I don't want or expect you or anyone else here on this forum to do anything about "it."

Now answer my question. Why do you think McCain lied about supporting MLK Day in Arizona?
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Originally posted by FLBiggles:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by FLBiggles:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by MacKnif:
Why is it that Democrats always are the ones that want to interject race into this race?


Because they're racists? Yep, I'm pretty sure that's it.


Madam Sassy,

But why won't anyone answer my question?

Why did McCain lie on Aug. 1 and say he supported MLK Day in Arizona?

WHY DID HE LIE? IS HE JUST SENILE? DID HE NOT EVEN KNOW HE WAS LYING ON CAMERA AND WOULD BE CAUGHT? IS HE LIVING IN A FANTASY WORLD?


I'll answer yours when you answer the question smurf asked you and you've been dodging for three or more days.

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After an estimated 6 threads(i remember this many there could be more i am not going to check)concerning McCains adultery,,,just what is it you would like for us to do about it? Not one person who is a McCain fan had denied his affair here.So the reasoning cannot be to convince anyone it happened.
So PLUEEEEZEEEEE,, shed some light here,we have got to have some relief about this affair that took place OVER 20yrs ago. Tell us what it is EXACTLY you want us to do about it?


Awaiting your answer...then I'll give you one to your question.


Madam Sassy,
To answer the question, "Tell us what it is EXACTLY you want us to do about it?," I would have to say that I don't want or expect you or anyone else here on this forum to do anything about "it."

Now answer my question. Why do you think McCain lied about supporting MLK Day in Arizona?


Since you gave me such a in depth answer to smurph's question, I'll do you the same favor...

John McCain didn't lie. You're mistaken.
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To answer the question, "Tell us what it is EXACTLY you want us to do about it?," I would have to say that I don't want or expect you or anyone else here on this forum to do anything about "it."

AHHHHH,nice! So now with the use of common deduction on reasonings lets see where and what that leaves us with.
1.Its not to inform,people were made aware by the 3rd thread of his affair.
2.Its not something to discuss,because no one has denied the fact of the affair. And not one supporter of McCain has "claimed" knowledge of what is in his heart to be judging his forgiveness by God,which BTW is the only one who matters.
3.His ex has voiced no ill will towards McCain,so there goes that point to "discuss".
4.It is not a "new" topic.

So I guess that leaves us with only the very thought these continued posts are simply flood the forums with 2 profiles obsession with someone else sex life .
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John McCain didn't lie. You're mistaken.


Madam Sassy,

Your answer doesn't seem to reflect reality.

Watch the video of McCain on Aug. 1 of this year, claiming he supported MLK Day in Arizona.

"..... I am proud of that record, from fighting for the recognition of Dr. Martin Luther King’s birthday in my state...."

He knew he was being videotaped yet he still made this bald faced lie.

WHY DID HE LIE?

1. Is he a pathological liar?
2. Is his senility so advanced that he thinks he's telling the truth.
3. Do you think, contrary to the public record, he actually did support MLK Day in Arizona? If so, submit proof for this belief.
4. Has McCain died and been replace by an imposter, as is suspected with Kim Jong-il?
5. Does McCain think, like Bush/Cheney/Rove, that if you tell the same lie enough times people will believe it?
6. Does McCain know that cognitive dissonance is so prevalent with his supporters that it doesn't matter if he lies or not?

WHY DID HE LIE?
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Originally posted by DILLY:
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Originally posted by MacKnif:
Why is it that Democrats always are the ones that want to interject race into this race?



Probably the same reasons that republicans want to interject gender.


Yep. That's why we'd never have a woman VP...oh wait, Republicans have nominated a woman for VP...and dems didn't. Sexism...
In psychology, cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling or stress caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a fundamental cognitive drive to reduce this dissonance by modifying an existing belief, or rejecting one of the contradictory ideas.

Often one of the ideas is a fundamental element of ego, like "I am a good person" or "I made the right decision." This can result in rationalization when a person is presented with evidence of a bad choice, or in other cases. Prevention of cognitive dissonance may also contribute to confirmation bias or denial of discomforting evidence.
Madam Sassy,
It seems that McCain's statement in the Aug. 1, 2008 video was not a complete lie, as I believed, but just a half-truth.

I stand corrected.

McCain's history on this issue still relects poorly on him, in my opinion.

I just found this on the Democratic website:


John McCain's Real Record on MLK Holiday
April 4, 2008

John McCain today brought his effort to reinvent himself for the general election to a new low by misleading the voters on his full record on a holiday honoring Dr. Martin Luther King. McCain tried to suggest that his opposition to a holiday honoring Dr. King was limited to his 1983 vote against a federal holiday. In reality, McCain maintained his opposition to it until at least 1989, voted against funding for the commission working to promote the King Holiday in 1994, and used divisive language about state's rights to defend himself. McCain even supported Republican efforts to repeal a holiday in his state in 1987.

"It's frankly disingenuous for John McCain to try and reinvent himself for the general election by distorting his record of opposing a holiday honoring Dr. King," said Democratic National Committee Communications Director Karen Finney. "John McCain should be honest about his full record of opposing the federal holiday, opposing a state holiday four years later, using divisive language to defend himself, and voting to cut off funding for the commission working to promote the King holiday as recently as 1994."

John McCain on MLK Day

1983: McCain Voted Against Law Creating National Martin Luther King Holiday. In 1983, McCain voted against passing a bill to designate the third Monday of every January as a federal holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. That was the year the holiday was passed into law, supported by 338 members of the House and 78 members of the Senate. [1983 House Vote #289, 8/2/1983; 1983 Senate Vote #303]

1987: McCain Supports AZ Governor's Effort to Rescind Martin Luther King Day As State Holiday. In 1987, Arizona Governor Evan Mecham rescinded "what he termed an illegal executive order by his predecessor, Democrat Bruce Babbitt, to establish a state holiday honoring the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr." Speaking to the Arizona Teenage Republican Convention, when asked about Mecham's decision to rescind the holiday, "McCain said that he felt Mecham was correct in rescinding the holiday." [Washington Post, 1/14/1987; Phoenix Gazette, 4/13/1987]

1989: McCain Urged Lawmakers To Create State Holiday, But Expressed Opposition To Federal Holiday. In 1989, McCain expressed his support for a state law recognizing an Arizona Martin Luther King Jr. holiday. But, McCain said, "I'm still opposed to another federal holiday. . .but I support the (Arizona) Martin Luther King holiday because of the enormous proportions this issue has taken on as far as the image of our state and our treatment towards not only blacks but all minorities." [Phoenix Gazette, 5/2/1989]

1992: McCain Endorsed Proposition Creating State Holiday. "McCain endorsed Proposition 300, which would establish a paid state holiday honoring the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr." [Phoenix Gazette, 10/28/1992]

1994: McCain Voted To Strip Federal Funding From the MLK Federal Holiday Commission. In 1994, McCain voted to prohibit federal funds for the Martin Luther King Jr. Federal Holiday Commission. The Commission was established in 1984 "to encourage the observance of King's birthday." According to Al King, head of the California chapter of the commission, the organization "helped keep 'senators' and representatives' feet to the fire to recognize the holiday.'" [1994 Senate Vote #127, 5/24/1994; Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 5/24/1995, 5/26/1995]
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
The people of Arizona didn't want to celebrate MLK Day. Perhaps you recall that a substantial amount of pressure came from the NFL...they threatened to withdraw the Super Bowl from Arizona unless the law were changed.


My Dear zippadeedoodah,

Why do you imagine they didn't want to celebrate MLK Day? MLK was a great American hero, don't you agree? Why would anyone disagree?
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Originally posted by FLBiggles:
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
The people of Arizona didn't want to celebrate MLK Day. Perhaps you recall that a substantial amount of pressure came from the NFL...they threatened to withdraw the Super Bowl from Arizona unless the law were changed.


My Dear zippadeedoodah,

Why do you imagine they didn't want to celebrate MLK Day? MLK was a great American hero, don't you agree? Why would anyone disagree?


Why does Arizona not observe Daylight Savings Time?

Because they don't want to. Same reason for not wanting to observe MLK day.
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Originally posted by FLBiggles:
My Dear zippadeedoodah,

Why do you imagine they didn't want to celebrate MLK Day? MLK was a great American hero, don't you agree? Why would anyone disagree?


I can think of a significant number of Americans whose accomplishments were of greater or equal magnitude to MLK's. However, MLK, being dead, has attained some sort of "body armor" to his many failings and character flaws, so any criticism of him, whether or not justified, subjects the source of the criticism to being pilloried for racism. Of course, none of that matters.

In Arizona, people may still stroll about the streets displaying firearms on their person rather than being concealed. So the cultural gap between there and Alabama is perhaps insurmountable for you to understand.

I take it by the tenor of your comment that you believe a representative of the people should ignore their will when it conflicts with his own or is inconvenient?
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
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Originally posted by FLBiggles:
My Dear zippadeedoodah,

Why do you imagine they didn't want to celebrate MLK Day? MLK was a great American hero, don't you agree? Why would anyone disagree?


I can think of a significant number of Americans whose accomplishments were of greater or equal magnitude to MLK's. However, MLK, being dead, has attained some sort of "body armor" to his many failings and character flaws, so any criticism of him, whether or not justified, subjects the source of the criticism to being pilloried for racism. Of course, none of that matters.

In Arizona, people may still stroll about the streets displaying firearms on their person rather than being concealed. So the cultural gap between there and Alabama is perhaps insurmountable for you to understand.

I take it by the tenor of your comment that you believe a representative of the people should ignore their will when it conflicts with his own or is inconvenient?


My Dear zippadeedoodah,

My, you've opened up several cans of worms. More than I can comment on at the moment. I will state that I cannot think of many Americans more deserving than Dr. King of having a National Holiday in their honor.

I do want to thank you for mentioning that NFL business in your earlier post. The plot is thickening.............

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