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U.S. medical students graduate debt-free in Cuba Tue Jul 24, 6:51 PM ET

Eight Americans graduated on Tuesday from a Cuban medical school after six years of studies fully funded by Fidel Castro's government.

They plan to return home, take board exams for licenses to practice and provide cheap health care in poor neighborhoods.

"Cuba offered us full scholarships to study medicine here. In exchange, we commit ourselves to go back to our communities to provide health care to underserved people," said Carmen Landau, 30, of Oakland, California.

The program is part of Castro's pet project to send thousands of Cuban doctors abroad to tend to the poor in developing countries, such as Venezuela and Bolivia, and train tens of thousand of medical students from developing countries in Cuba.

Officials in Cuba's communist government relish the idea of training doctors for the United States, its arch-enemy since Castro took power in a leftist revolution in 1959.

The ailing Cuban leader, 80, did not attend the graduation for 850 students from 25 countries at Havana's Karl Marx theater. He has not appeared in public since intestinal surgery forced him to hand over power to his brother Raul Castro a year ago.

There are 88 Americans studying medicine in Cuba. The first to graduate two years ago was Cedric Edwards, who is now working at Montefiore Hospital in New York City's Bronx borough.

The U.S. students praised Cuba's universal, free health-care system, which is community based and focuses on preventing illness before it becomes more serious and costly, in contrast to the U.S. health industry indicted for being profit-based in Michael Moore's recent film "SiCKO."

"We have studied medicine with a humanitarian approach," said Kenya Bingham, 29, of Alameda, California.

"Health care is not seen as a business in Cuba. When you are sick, they are not going to try to charge you or turn you away if you don't have insurance," she said.

The main difference in studying in Cuba was that there was no charge and the graduates can begin their practice debt-free, said Jose De Leon, 27, from Oakland.

"When medical doctors graduate in the United States they are usually in debt, between $250,000 to $500,000, and spend the first 10 years of their careers paying it off," he said.

That, Landau said, requires rushing patients in and out to earn more.

"'SiCKO' was an inspiration," said Landau, who plans to return to the United States to help promote the creation of a universal health-care system.

"It is a wonderful idea that makes total sense in every country, especially in one with so many resources. If they can do it in Cuba, we can do it in the United States," she said.
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This is no different than the offshore medical schools that are available for those who cannot get in to 'onshore' medical schools. I would imagine that these folks could not even get looked at by American medical schools for admission. However, this school likely has the additional 2 years tacked on to brainwash them in Castro's ways of thinking. I don't know what he is up to, but he is sure not doing this for the health and well being of the world.
I've got a few questions about this.

Who's paying for their education? Books cost money, the buildings cost money, the desks cost money, providing instructors cost money, and so on and so on.

Is this money coming out of Castro's own pocket or from the pockets of his citizens? If Castro is paying for it himself, what is he looking for in return? Someone who imprisons, tortures, and murders people probably isn't concerned with the health care of the world, so there has to be some other motive.

How good are these schools? American doctors spend 8 years or more in intense training and have to constantly continue their education. Are these schools the same quality?

Would you want a Cuban trained doctor performing open heart surgery on your mom or an American trained doctor?

If you're not asking questions, you're not paying attention.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
I've got a few questions about this.

Who's paying for their education? Books cost money, the buildings cost money, the desks cost money, providing instructors cost money, and so on and so on.

Is this money coming out of Castro's own pocket or from the pockets of his citizens? If Castro is paying for it himself, what is he looking for in return? Someone who imprisons, tortures, and murders people probably isn't concerned with the health care of the world, so there has to be some other motive.

How good are these schools? American doctors spend 8 years or more in intense training and have to constantly continue their education. Are these schools the same quality?

Would you want a Cuban trained doctor performing open heart surgery on your mom or an American trained doctor?

If you're not asking questions, you're not paying attention.



The Gov't wants docs... they pay for it... then said doc gets a chance to come here, take OUR medical exam, pass and start their own practice... relatively simple.
A number of the offshore medical schools aren't bad. They take the overflow that US schools can't accept. And, they all have to take the state boards and continuing education requirements.

Castro is rich enought to finance their education himself.

Yes, we are getting a lot of foreign doctors. Remember the Brits used to joke their socialized medicine was the best Pakistan could provide. Not so funny, now!
The government pays for their scholarships. They are far from living conditions as they had here in the states though. Their dorms have no hot water, air conditioning or toilet seats. The government not only provides the scholarships but gives them a stipend of about $5 a month.

This wasn't Castro's idea. It came from the U.S. Congressional Black Caucus complaining about their neighborhoods lacking sufficient medical facilities, doctors, etc... Castro then offered to award scholarships for up to 500 U.S. students. The catch? These students have to come from poor areas of the U.S. and probably wouldn't otherwise be able to go to medical school. So far Castro isn't getting anything in return except the poor areas of the U.S. are getting doctor's. The U.S. nonprofit Pastors for Peace also works closely with the program.

As for how good the schools are. I can't say for sure but Cuba's literacy rate is right behind our's. I guess that answer will come when these students take their exams here in the U.S.

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Would you want a Cuban trained doctor performing open heart surgery on your mom or an American trained doctor?


Is that specifically Cuban or any foreign doctor? Because there are more and more people traveling out of the country for health care procedures. In 2005, a half million foreign visitors went to India, 250,000 to Singapore and 55,000 to Thailand for medical treatment. Remember--we aren't free to go to Cuba as we are these other countries. If we were, I'm sure their numbers would be right up there with India.

As far as out doctors continuing their education...I'm sure once you are a licensed doctor in the U.S. you have to continue your education regardless of where you went to medical school.
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Originally posted by interventor:
Please note when Fidel got ill, he sent out for a Spanish doctor, not one of his own. Reportedly, he was flown to Spain for further care, but I can't prove that.

Interesting to see where Mikie Moore goes for medical care.

Most of the foreign visits are for elective surgery -- plastic surgery, etc. A number have had poor results.



You Know, I hear that they have a pill for every thang now days.
Pills to take so you can have sex with your wife.
pills your wife takes because you depress her.

ambien to make you get out of bed and get a traffic ticket because you did not know you were asleep at the wheel.

Millions of kids on prozac. Instead of keeping them on pills, we should investigate why.

Yep,America needs and counts on our good drug companies to keep us drugged and it may be thats why America is still sleeping.
I am not advocating everyone go to Cuba for surgery. For all we know, if he did go to Spain...it may have been a doctor who was trained in Cuba.

I could care less where Michael Moore goes for medical care. As long as he is able to get it.

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Most of the foreign visits are for elective surgery -- plastic surgery, etc. A number have had poor results.
I think this used to be the case but today, people are going for preventive measures, cosmetic surgery and major surgeries that they cannot afford to have here.

Where the heart surgery isMore Americans go abroad for cheaper health care
I've worked with some of those doctors (and nurses) from countries that have reciprocal agreements with medical schools here. I'm here to tell you, THEY ARE SCARY. I don't know what they're taught but it is not on a level with medical education here.

We had one American doctor who couldn't get into dental school here. He went to the Dominican Republic to med school. I love him, but thank God he is in Pathology. After six years he still calls the doctors here to ask what he should put on the path reports as a diagnosis on about half his stuff.
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Originally posted by vick13:
I read what I posted - let me clarify. He couldn't get into dental school here so he went out of country to become a medical doctor.


First, one clarifcation. Dental schools in this country are as tough and in some aspect tougher to get into than medical schools. The competativeness of admission to many dental schools is high, especially at ones like UAB, which is world-renowned.

I agree with what vick13 said here. I went through training with some of these folks...some very scary indeed. Some are very well educated and are doing very well in practice and I would not hestitate to be treated by them. As to some others, I would rather treat myself than allow them to even get close to me. I had a classmate that appeared as book-smart as the come. However, they went home by Christmas the first year due to grades...could not reason things out / pass lab practicals in gross anatomy and histology, etc. but could take a standardized test with the best of them. I vaguely remember hearing they went offshore and graduated..no clue what they are doing now, but likely practicing somewhere. For this particular individual, very scary indeed.

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