Medal of Honor Has Become "Feminized"...

Feminized? If I were a man, I think I'd be insulted. Me not think. Me kill. I am femine and if I were a betting woman, I'd bet my sense of right/wrong and justice would knock dear Bryan's socks off.

Try using "humanized" instead and in the mean time, stick it, Bryan Fischer.

JMHO

Sorry, I was ticked off & didn't add that all those who excel in executing their training & obeying orders are worthy of our respect. They do what they must. Even though lives on the other side are taken, lives on our side are saved when they do their job. War is hell. Like most people, however, I do find it extraordinary when a soldier takes a bullet for another or lays on a grenade to protect those around him. That is knowing for sure you will die, but doing it anyway. It's a step further than risking your life. It's giving your life.

Not only is this guy a complete moron, but his premise is completely false. Consider these two Medal of Honor recipients from Iraq and Afghanistan:

Sergeant First Class Paul R. Smith:

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Sergeant First Class Paul R. Smith distinguished himself by acts of gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in action with an armed enemy near Baghdad International Airport, Baghdad, Iraq on 4 April 2003. On that day, Sergeant First Class Smith was engaged in the Smith construction of a prisoner of war holding area when his Task Force was violently attacked by a company-sized enemy force. Realizing the vulnerability of over 100 fellow soldiers, Sergeant First Class Smith quickly organized a hasty defense consisting of two platoons of soldiers, one Bradley Fighting Vehicle and three armored personnel carriers. As the fight developed, Sergeant First Class Smith braved hostile enemy fire to personally engage the enemy with hand grenades and anti-tank weapons, and organized the evacuation of three wounded soldiers from an armored personnel carrier struck by a rocket propelled grenade and a 60mm mortar round. Fearing the enemy would overrun their defenses, Sergeant First Class Smith moved under withering enemy fire to man a .50 caliber machine gun mounted on a damaged armored personnel carrier. In total disregard for his own life, he maintained his exposed position in order to engage the attacking enemy force. During this action, he was mortally wounded. His courageous actions helped defeat the enemy attack, and resulted in as many as 50 enemy soldiers killed, while allowing the safe withdrawal of numerous wounded soldiers. Sergeant First Class Smith's extraordinary heroism and uncommon valor are in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself, the Third Infantry Division 'Rock of the Marne,' and the United States Army.

Lieutenant Michael P. Murphy:

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For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life and above and beyond the call of duty as the leader of a special reconnaissance element with Naval Special Warfare task unit Afghanistan on 27 and 28 June 2005. While leading a mission to locate a high-level anti-coalition militia leader, Murphy Lieutenant Murphy demonstrated extraordinary heroism in the face of grave danger in the vicinity of Asadabad, Konar Province, Afghanistan. On 28 June 2005, operating in an extremely rugged enemy-controlled area, Lieutenant Murphy's team was discovered by anti-coalition militia sympathizers, who revealed their position to Taliban fighters. As a result, between 100 and 160 enemy fighters besieged his four member team. Demonstrating exceptional resolve, Lieutenant Murphy valiantly led his men in engaging the large enemy force. The ensuing fierce firefight resulted in numerous enemy casualties, as well as the wounding of all four members of the team. Ignoring his own wounds and demonstrating exceptional composure, Lieutenant Murphy continued to lead and encourage his men. When the primary communicator fell mortally wounded, Lieutenant Murphy repeatedly attempted to call for assistance for his beleaguered teammates. Realizing the impossibility of communicating in the extreme terrain, and in the face of almost certain death, he fought his way into open terrain to gain a better position to transmit a call. This deliberate, heroic act deprived him of cover, exposing him to direct enemy fire. Finally achieving contact with his headquarters, Lieutenant Murphy maintained his exposed position while he provided his location and requested immediate support for his team. In his final act of bravery, he continued to engage the enemy until he was mortally wounded, gallantly giving his life for his country and for the cause of freedom. By his selfless leadership, Lieutenant Murphy reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

Italics mine. I guess the fact that they also strove to save the lives of their comrades while killing lots of bad guys is what "feminized" the medal, right? Because real men leave their friends to die? I can't even imagine the hate and confusion in this guy's brain that he would deride the Medal of Honor and its recipients like this.

i was hoping this thread meant they were putting tata's on the medal itself.

what would be better for a vailant warrior than a nice rack he can always carry with him?

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Feminized? If I were a man, I think I'd be insulted. Me not think. Me kill. I am femine and if I were a betting woman, I'd bet my sense of right/wrong and justice would knock dear Bryan's socks off.

Try using "humanized" instead and in the mean time, stick it, Bryan Fischer.

JMHO

Yes...you are a good example of what the author is speaking about.

"humanized" and war don't belong in the same sentence.

trust me...if you are under fire, you want the killingest psycho ever on your side.

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On July 25,1963 Congress established a set of guidelines under which the Medal of Honor could be awarded:
a.) while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States;
b.) while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or,
c.) while serving with friendly forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

I don't see where saving a life is covered. Saving life is valiant...but not worthy of the MOH. That action is awarded the "Soldier's Medal".

I don't see where a body count is required either. Award of the medal requires valor in combat. That can include saving lives.

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Sez Tool:
I don't see where saving a life is covered. Saving life is valiant...but not worthy of the MOH. That action is awarded the "Soldier's Medal".

Then maybe you need to re-read Me's examples, and compare to this:

The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration awarded by the United States government. It is bestowed on members of the United States armed forces who distinguish themselves "conspicuously by gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his or her life above and beyond the call of duty while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States."[1] Due to the nature of its criteria, it is often awarded posthumously (more than half have been since 1941[4]).

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Originally posted by Tool:

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Feminized? If I were a man, I think I'd be insulted. Me not think. Me kill. I am femine and if I were a betting woman, I'd bet my sense of right/wrong and justice would knock dear Bryan's socks off.

Try using "humanized" instead and in the mean time, stick it, Bryan Fischer.

JMHO

Yes...you are a good example of what the author is speaking about.

"humanized" and war don't belong in the same sentence.

trust me...if you are under fire, you want the killingest psycho ever on your side.

Excuse me?! I was giving the dipstick who wrote this article a more appropriate term for the idea he is trying to convey. Trust me, if I were under fire, I would want someone well trained & completely in control of their senses beside me, not a psycho who could get us all killed.

Er, Tool, it's been a rough week and I needed a target. This Bryan Fischer fellow was far game in that he'll never read anything I post anyway, but you on the other hand...you were just responding to what you thought I was saying. I should have clarified without blowing a gasket. Sorry!

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Originally posted by Tool:

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Feminized? If I were a man, I think I'd be insulted. Me not think. Me kill. I am femine and if I were a betting woman, I'd bet my sense of right/wrong and justice would knock dear Bryan's socks off.

Try using "humanized" instead and in the mean time, stick it, Bryan Fischer.

JMHO

Yes...you are a good example of what the author is speaking about.

"humanized" and war don't belong in the same sentence.

trust me...if you are under fire, you want the killingest psycho ever on your side.

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On July 25,1963 Congress established a set of guidelines under which the Medal of Honor could be awarded:
a.) while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States;
b.) while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or,
c.) while serving with friendly forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

I don't see where saving a life is covered. Saving life is valiant...but not worthy of the MOH. That action is awarded the "Soldier's Medal".

So you, in your truncated perspective, would conclude that Sergeant Giunta, during his heroic rescue of his fellow soldiers, did not act "while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States"?? If he did not act while engaged in such an action, what in thunder do you think he really was up to--a picnic??!! Come on, Cage and come on, Bryan Fischer (whoever he is)--the MOA was awarded for a well-justified purpose, irrespective of whether Sergeant Giunta happened to be solely about the business of gunning down enemy at the time of his heroic action! The Army is not feminizing anything here. And, oh, by the way, did anyone notice that in the course of rescuing his comrades, Sgt. Giunta shot down two Taliban? How does that support the ludicrous contention that he was not "engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States."? Get real, you pathetic pseudo-macho anklebiters!

As to the Wall Street Journal's MISinterpretation of things ("According to Bill McGurn of the Wall Street Journal, every Medal of Honor awarded during these two conflicts has been awarded for saving life. Not one has been awarded for inflicting casualties on the enemy. Not one."), thank you TheMeInTeam, for setting the record straight on that matter. Very obviously, the WSJ got this one wrong and your posting of the commendation statements for Sgt. Smith and Lieutenant Murphy just flat out shredded sloppy journalist McGurn's false contention and Blogger Fischer's and knee-jerk "me too" Cage's unquestioning reliance on it.

Fischer is big on quoting Jesus. Maybe he ought to pay attention to these words from the Son of Man: "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." The WSJ needs to make a retraction.

I just checked the Bryan Fischer article. This reprehensible excuse for a human being is on the staff of American Family Association, an ultra, ultra, ultra-right wing outfit out of Mississippi. Their radio programs constantly parrot an unmitigated, unremitting stream of untra-rightist babble. Fischer coaxed out a huge firestorm of dissent from his silly-assed article on Sct. Giunta. I am posting comments on the article from the Fischer blog site, expressing justifiable condemnation of this allegedly Christian blogscum and his putrid article. No apologies for the length of the string of comments. I believe it will be educational to Cage and others to see the amount of consistently negative comments on the article, many from persons who themselves served in the military. I have to agree with them that Fischer's piece is insulting, disrespectful and just plain wrong to the core! Read up--


11/19/2010 3:18:32 PMThis is the first time I've been to this website. After reading this, it will be the last.11/19/2010 2:44:32 PMYou have got to be kidding me. I thought this was a joke when I heard about it. As a former infantryman wounded in the service of my country, I can only gape in disbelief at the stunning combination of smugness and ignorance on display in this article. It spits in the face of everyone who has ever put it on the line for their country.11/19/2010 2:27:38 PMSeems we need to start awarding medals for taking out a dangerous enemy position against all odds!11/19/2010 2:14:07 PMWhat utterly disgusting, false and unChristian drivel. The willful ignorance and forecasting of what 'Jesus would do' (really sir? You have a direct line to him, do you?) is beyond bizarre!11/19/2010 2:08:37 PMReally funny coming from someone who never served in the military. You're just overcompensating your rhetoric because you know what kind of wussy-boy you really are. A real solider should slap your ugly face.11/19/2010 1:38:35 PMI had to post this foolishness on my FB wall. Unbelievable! Bryan Fischer, you need to sit down and think about yourself for a minute.11/19/2010 1:32:19 PMEven if I bought a bit of this, and I most certainly do not, a glaring oversight undermines the entire backward "point": Google SFC Paul R. Smith, you sad and ridiculous man.11/19/2010 1:29:30 PMHere's your American Christianity ladies and gentlemen. Get out before it is too late and it swallows your soul and humanity.11/19/2010 1:25:32 PMAbsolutely unbelievable. You are a sad human being. And to the person who called him a Jesus Freak, you're painting with a pretty ignorant brush yourself.11/19/2010 1:16:56 PMAre you seriously being paid by the AFA to write this drivel?11/19/2010 1:10:51 PMWhen did killing become honorable? Some how I doubt the Medals of Honor were given to those storming the beaches of Normandy because they killed x amount of people, but for valiant service facing almost insurmountable odds, helping to save lives of their fellow military members and countrymen/women etc....not because they killed a lot of people... Bringing Jesus into the mix in this article and somehow equating Jesus dying for sins to killing someone in war thus being honorable makes me annoyed at best and quickly approaches the point of my head wanting to explode....oye!11/19/2010 12:43:34 PMAs a former Army medic, I would like to first agree with previous comments. More medics have been awarded the MOH than any other MOS. Maybe our gung-ho writer should put on a uniform and go show us how to get the job done.11/19/2010 11:47:12 AMI'm really getting a kick out of this "Christian love" deal. And people wonder why church attendance is on the decline.11/19/2010 11:39:01 AMDear Mr. Fischer, If Patton were alive he would slap your face. Sincerely, A Patriot11/19/2010 11:32:02 AMI am a soldier, who came back disabled from Iraq. I spent my entire tour saving lives. Mr. Fischer should research which section of the US Army holds the most posthumous MOHs. The medical corps. We crawl across hell on our bellies, lightly armed or not at all, and save lives. IF that is being "feminine", then so be it.11/19/2010 11:25:38 AMThe "Kill Enemy" skillset has gotten progressively easier, while the "Life Saving" skillset is pretty much the same as it ever was. The MOH awards reflect that. It's not 1943 anymore.11/19/2010 11:21:34 AMCHICKEN HAWK CHICKEN HAWK CHICKEN HAWK11/19/2010 11:15:02 AMI assume you haven't killed anyone (although you never know), so you must be really feminine. Nice logic buddy.11/19/2010 10:42:18 AMAs disgusting as I find this post, I am exiting the page with a smile on my face because of how uplifting I find the comments here. Christians, Mormons, atheists, soldiers, EVERYONE is on the exact same page.11/19/2010 10:41:20 AMYou idiot.11/19/2010 8:48:14 AMThis is unbelievably twisted logic, and a dramatically false interpretation of the Christian gospel. Go back to the Bible and read a little more, and while you're at it -- beg forgiveness from all the brave Medal of Honor recipients you have insulted, and all the feminists you have enraged.11/19/2010 8:42:19 AMWhat a miserable and offensive screed you have produced. Your manner of thinking is puzzling for someone with a philosophy degree. My father was a veteran of WWII. He won a medal for valiant behavior for saving the lives of fellow soldiers while under fire for several hours. Furthermore, he flew reconnaisance aircraft throughout the war, constantly drawing enemy fire. I have to say he did have a feminine side to him which helped to make him the fully human and loving person he was. Apparently, the awards ceremony has been a feminizing experience for a long time. Thank God for that.11/19/2010 8:28:36 AM"For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places" (Ephesians 6:12 NLT) I might add that we are also fighting godless ignorance like yours Mr. Fischer, that suggests breaking one of the 10 Commandments (Thou shalt not kill)for imaginary weapons of mass destruction is somehow a righteous thing to do. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God" (Matthew 5:9 NIV)11/19/2010 8:28:09 AMObviously Bryan has NO idea of what actions have been seen as the most courageous in the history of our armed services. I hope that his ignorance of this particular topic doesn't mirror his incompetence in every other aspect of his life, but I have to believe that is indeed the case. Bryan, as the old saying goes, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." You have removed all doubt!11/19/2010 8:06:59 AM"...Pointe do Hoc..." Is that near the Pointe du Hoc? Anyway, if this is what the AFA stands for then I'm sure you lot will remain hopelessly mired in your own mediocrity. Thank God.11/19/2010 7:30:22 AMThis guy wants to make an Iron Cross of your (Americans) highest award.11/19/2010 7:14:33 AMThe principle of not leaving a fallen comrade behind on the field of battle perhaps is a feminine trait in Mr. Fischer's eyes.11/19/2010 6:36:22 AM'Feminization?' You say its like its a bad thing. Unless you go through childbirth you know nothing of pain, suffering and courage. You amuse me with your ineptness. I have no pity nor vitrol to cast at you as the vomit from your own mouth serves best to paint you for the poor similie of a man you think you are.11/19/2010 6:26:13 AMThe Medal of Honor is awarded for "Conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of life above and beyond the call of duty". Not for killing people and breaking things. What you are saying wasn't the awards intent from the word "go".11/19/2010 5:29:39 AM"However, Jesus’ act of self-sacrifice would ultimately have been meaningless - yes, meaningless - if he had not inflicted a mortal wound on the enemy while giving up his own life. The significance of the cross is not just that Jesus laid down his life for us, but that he defeated the enemy of our souls in the process. It was on the cross that he crushed the head of the serpent. It was on the cross that “he disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in it” (Colossians 2:15)." So, what you're saying is Jesus was in effect a Suicide Bomber.11/19/2010 5:01:26 AMTo obtain a Medal of Honor, is to go ABOVE and BEYOND a soldier's call of duty. Killing a lot of enemies isn't going beyond the call of duty, it's doing your job. MoH's are awarded for EXTREME acts of courage and heroism. To rise above the normal capabilities of a soldier and accomplish an amazing feet. Soldiers that have earned the MoH are meant to be examples of the best our military can offer and the best a soldier can possibly be.11/19/2010 2:29:25 AMI'm kinda curious to find out the costs of the following: one-way airfare to Kabul from Mr. Fischer's airport of choice a fully working M-16 with spare parts and maintenance materials 2000 rounds of ammo And really, he should have enough money to get all of that stuff himself, right? Seeing as he and his wife only have two children instead of the three he insists all other American married couples produce. So go on out there, sir. We could probably even fundraise enough for you to take a Flip-cam or something to film your heroic exploits. We're waiting.11/19/2010 1:49:28 AMI guess the good "Reverend" never read John 15:13 - "Greater love hath no man than he would lay down his life for a friend." EVERY Medal of Honor citation going back to the Civil War is for a soldier, sailor, marine or airman trying to save the lives of his friends.11/19/2010 12:40:59 AMThis line of reasoning fails to recognize how the battle field have changed with time. The vast majority of our actions in these conflicts are more or less defensive patrols with the aggressive action often related to activities where our soldiers, pilots, and, uh remote control drone pilots have extraordinary technological advantages and battlefield asymmetries that leave our brave soldiers involved in aggressive assaults relatively few opportunities to demonstrate attributes worth of such honors. There are no massive battle lines for our soldiers to attack, these are skirmishes where defensive and offensive attacks often co-mingle. The award has not been feminized, the battlefield has shifted.11/18/2010 11:40:18 PMLike the scorpion that would rather sting and die than not sting and live. There was only one reason for this disturbing article.... A deep seated jealousy and insecurity about his "manliness" Oh the fact that Pres Obama gave the award had something to do with it. Its that same twisted logic used on Senator Kerry. He went to Vietnam and risked his life, Bush pulled strings and got out of it. Bush never fought in a war, thats why he started one, so he could be macho ... By the way Jesus walked around in Bare feet slept on the ground ,helped the poor and was humble. Jesus was love incarnate. He was also celibate .. I guess he wasn't a real man, never had a woman11/18/2010 11:27:27 PMyikes. it isnt the 1940's anymore dude. get with the times.11/18/2010 11:01:23 PMThis article is bad and the writer should feel bad for writing it.11/18/2010 10:41:24 PM"the Lord of Lord and King of Kings." It's the 21st century; who talks (let alone believes such things) like this now? As soon as I hear nuts speaking like is, I shuffle along and leave them to it...11/18/2010 10:15:47 PMConservative Christians will destroy America and cause more blow-back, worse than 9/11 next time. I believe they are dangerous and sick and should be stopped, eliminated actually. I support Muslim terrorists in their plight to destroy these types of people.11/18/2010 10:14:51 PMMr. Fischer: I read your bio and didn't see the word Soldier anywhere. We nominate our own for the MOH and we don't need your commentary on the definition of heroism. We have our own. – An American Soldier.11/18/2010 10:14:01 PMWhy hasn't the AFA taken this down? There is more than enough evidence to prove that not only that his facts are plain wrong and his theology completely backwards, but his opinions are completely detrimental to any sort of credibility you hoped to have as well. This is a major failure on your part that this even got it past editing. How many more comments do you need to fill your quota? Here's +1. Also, Mr. Fischer: You need to put the Xbox down for a bit. The Medal of Honor isn't an achievement you can unlock if you kill 1,000 Afghanis.11/18/2010 10:02:59 PMWhen you have one(Congressional Medal of Honor)around your neck ,your opinion might matter.Until that day I invite you not to belittle the sacrifices and actions of those who have earned this Honor.11/18/2010 9:49:15 PMUnbelievably revolting. If I had read his article on a comments section rather than a website, I would have thought it was a troll just trying to piss people off. Sadly that isn't the case. And to use the word 'feminization'? As if it masculine to kill people? Just an FYI: Jesus had a zero kill-count. I think one commenter nailed it on the head: "Amazing. You've managed to enrage Christians, atheists, Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, Liberals, the pro-war crowd, the anti-war crowd, men, women, veterans, conscientious objectors, and this is just the beginning of the list. Not since 9/11 have I seen so many people united in the face of one horrible deed."11/18/2010 9:48:57 PMIs there an award for most idiotic column of the year? If anybody knows about such an award, please nominate this guy. Also, I'm not a scholar of scripture, but am I mistaken in thinking that Jesus advocated pacifism? Turn the other cheek, love your enemy, and all of that? Was Jesus just trying to trick us? Did he really mean "kill a lot of people" when he said those things?11/18/2010 9:19:10 PMWhat's wrong with 'feminization' anyway, whatever that means?11/18/2010 9:10:14 PMSign up any time, I'm sure you'll do fine leading troops in battle, unless you are too busy at home counting your tax cuts.11/18/2010 9:03:08 PMYou are an idiot. As a Soldier who has served my country for 28 years, including a year in Iraq, I am insulted by your comments.11/18/2010 8:36:18 PMI was raised in the church and while I no longer call myself a Christian, I remain a lover of the teachings of Jesus. Mr. Fischer, please re-read the New Testament, but this time without a political attitude. Try, truly try, to understand what Jesus was/is saying. I think if you do, you will repudiate this vile article and seek forgiveness. You ought to be ashamed.11/18/2010 8:00:29 PM"So the question is this: when are we going to start awarding the Medal of Honor once again for soldiers who kill people and break things so our families can sleep safely at night?" I'm sorry, this is a Christian website and you're claiming we don't glorify killing people and breaking things enough?11/18/2010 6:43:03 PMBrother Bryan, I want to pray for you. You are making a bad argument, and it reflects poorly on Christ's love. Agape.11/18/2010 6:38:53 PMIf I may say, so, this is a very brave (and manly) post from the 2nd Armchair Battalion of the Flying 101st Keyboardists. I commend you for your insights, sir! Stay classy.11/18/2010 6:37:53 PMThis article is reprinted from "The Onion", right?11/18/2010 6:03:50 PMI believe that if you substitute the words Devil/Satan for the words God/Jesus and minions for christians than this post makes perfect sense. I'm pretty sure though that Fischer did not achieve his goal, with this putrid screed, of spreading the hate as the majority of my fellow humans are pushing back.11/18/2010 6:02:54 PMMy father was a U.S. Army Ranger at Pointe du Hoc (note correct spelling) and both he and I think you are a colossal idiot. Of course, he only won two Silver Stars, one Bronze Star, and two Purple Hearts, so maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about.11/18/2010 5:53:24 PMI'm going to take a wild guess and say that Bryan dodged the draft when it was his turn to serve. Those who talk the loudest about war never wore the uniform.11/18/2010 5:50:24 PMJesus forgive you for saying that he was anything other than a radical pacifist! You are truly confused. I fought in Iraq and I wish to God that you were there to see exactly what I did to those poor people. Jesus came back after his "feminized" death at the hands of the evil empire in forgiveness. You blaspheme his name and may god seal your lips forever!11/18/2010 5:48:32 PMWow. What do you say to this?11/18/2010 5:00:31 PMIf you think that what Salvatore Giunta did wasn't "manly" enough, I'll pay for your plane ticket to Afghanistan so you can take his place. I'm willing to bet an entire year's salary that you wouldn't last five minutes before you were begging to be put back on a plane to America, much less save the lives of your comrades in the same way this man did.11/18/2010 4:47:50 PMThis has to be the weirdest opinion piece outside of the Onion. Did the writer imply that Jesus was full of darkness because he didn't kill people? or that Jesus was a feminizing influence? That's some potent mix of dumb and crazy there.11/18/2010 4:30:04 PM

11/18/2010 6:27:47 AM I'm sure I'm not the first one to think this, but this guy just HAS to a secret liberal agent-provocateur on a mission to make Christian conservatives look really, really bad.

Having gorged on both lib and con sites, the degree to which these sort of conspiracy theories are endemic on conservative sites, and, frankly, nonexistent on liberal sites, is probably worth considering.11/18/2010 4:20:39 PMYou know, you can kill a lot of enemies by pushing a button, flying a drone, or any number of activities that require approximately zero courage. Risking your own hindquarters to save someone else's takes a lot more.11/18/2010 4:06:43 PMAmazing. You've managed to enrage Christians, atheists, Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, Liberals, the pro-war crowd, the anti-war crowd, men, women, veterans, conscientious objectors, and this is just the beginning of the list. Not since 9/11 have I seen so many people united in the face of one horrible deed. Congratulations, Bryan. I hope your follow-up post will be a resignation letter.11/18/2010 4:00:34 PMI was tempted to write something catty, but that wouldn't be Christ-like. I'll pray that you can open your heart to the Jesus Christ of life, truth, and reconciliation. Please stop advocating killing in Christ's name.11/18/2010 3:58:06 PMI'm not big on the idea of infantry and mass murder, but I say if you go into the military you should go in ready to die, and to kill. Your job becomes to protect civilians, not militants. To protect the civilians of your own country and those placed in restraints by hostile governing . To do this you must capture and or kill the opponent, not carry your partner on your back going in the other direction.Even if it is a kindness, its not what you signed up for. Leave no man behind begins when the war is done.11/18/2010 3:44:31 PMThis article is in violation of the guidelines, specifically: "We remind you, however, that our primary purpose is to inform the reader from a Christian perspective." Jesus said, "Love your enemies." He didn't say, "Butcher your enemies, and if you don't you're a big sissy" Jesus from the cross said, "Father, forgive them." He didn't say, "I'm going to hit you back and make you pay."11/18/2010 3:27:32 PMThis encourages me. Wait, did you think I meant this post? Hahaha...no, it would be laughable if it weren't so hateful and disgusting. I meant the way that every single comment here is about how woefully, embarrassingly wrong you are. You don't get it, but fortunately, everyone else does.11/18/2010 3:18:26 PM19 soldiers won the Medal of Honor at the Little Big Horn for descending Reno Hill under fire and filling canteens. I suppose ol' Bryan finds this "girlie" but when you mind is clouded by stupidity, anything goes.11/18/2010 3:16:41 PMWhom ever wrote this article you better be on the List of Medal of Honor recipients or at least served in the military or you have no right to write an article like this.11/18/2010 3:12:07 PMWho is this Jesus of whom you speak? Because he sure doesn't sound like the Jesus I know.11/18/2010 3:11:56 PMWar mongers are a strange breed. Imagine someone so out of touch with the teachings of the mythical "Jesus" that they can pervert them so completely. This is why I have absolutely no hope whatsoever for the future of humanity. As long as there are morons like Fisher around, we are forever doomed to testosterone-driven, meat-brained idiots making retarded comments like the one above.11/18/2010 3:03:22 PMIt might seem that this blog is way off - but I can tell you, being from the Southern Baptists Church - there are MANY, if not a majority of the country's largest Protestant demonination who think in exactly this way - and lots are women, too. Jesus' core teachings are not liked at all by these jingoistic folks - they have made up their own "War Jesus" tribal god.11/18/2010 2:59:01 PMTo Bryan Fischer: It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. -- George Eliot You have removed all doubt...11/18/2010 2:46:56 PMWow, I had previously thought Islamic loonies were the most violent and barbaric loons in the world. Bryan Fisher proved me wrong. Now that I understand what "American Family Association" is all about I will take note to ignore the blatherings of such insane idiots masquerading as civilized people.11/18/2010 2:31:00 PMI'm surprised no one has quoted the passage in the New Testament, where the Roman Centurian came up to Christ, asked Christ to heal his servant, and Christ pulled out his dagger and cut the throat of the invading soldier. Oh, wait...11/18/2010 2:26:55 PMSorry AFA, but a disclaimer doesn't cut it this time. You have just published someone who apparently finds the promotion of physical violence in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is asinine on its own terms, and is a plain failure of judgment on your part. Do the right thing: retract the piece and repudiate it.11/18/2010 2:24:10 PMBut I thought the AFA was pro-life. Now you are telling us that pro-life is too feminine?11/18/2010 2:15:32 PMI'm a Mormon. And yes, I know you folks don't consider me a Christian. I get that. But I just want to apologize for the faux-Christian rant of this article. I want to assure you that Christ does NOT condone the brutality of both the interpretation of his words, nor the hatred we extend to one another through war. While it is necessary, sadly, to kill in defense of our freedoms and very lives, how we treat our enemies must be an act of love that rises above all the shouting from the "great and spacious" building, the coliseum where we demand blood and vengeance. I hope the author comes to understand this before it is too late for him to do anything about it.11/18/2010 1:55:45 PMAs a former infantryman who spent a year in Afghanistan, I can't figure out what is more distasteful: Fischer's denigration of the actions of the previous seven recipients of the MOH, his lame attempts to draw a parallel between the gospel and war which "is hell and can't be refined", or his lame tongue in cheek rebuttal. Like so many civilians who were conveniently absent from the conflicts of their day, he seems to think of combat as some sort of John Wayne movie. Considering that there are plenty of women who are also willing to do what he was not, I also find it ironic that he would use "feminization" in a pejorative sense. Thankfully there are plenty of men and women who are willing to do the things that he was11/18/2010 1:52:28 PMWith all due respect Bryan. What the f()ck is the wrong with you? You need some serious therapy and time on your knees.11/18/2010 1:44:04 PMAre people ever going to realize how dangerous religion really is?11/18/2010 1:42:06 PMChristianity is a religion that I would classify as aggressively pacifist. Do you think all the people who martyred themselves in the early days of Christianity got it wrong? The Jews were expecting a military leader - like Saul or David - to be their Messiah. But instead of that they got Jesus. A spiritual leader. Who would not allow his apostles to harm the soldiers who came to take him away to be crucified.11/18/2010 1:32:23 PMMr. Fischer, Please get some theological training.11/18/2010 1:31:34 PMFischer, you hate our nation so much that you would publicly sneer at a Medal of Honor recipient, LEAVE.11/18/2010 1:23:41 PMI find it immensely hypocritical that Mr. Fischer would criticize the awarding criteria of our nation's highest decoration for valor when Mr. Fischer himself was never in the military. Mr. Fischer - you are not a general. You have never been in combat. You have never even been near combat. You have no right whatsoever to criticize our uniformed heroes.11/18/2010 1:22:20 PMReprehensible. Unconscionable. Odious. None of these words come close to describing the vile nature of this garbage.11/18/2010 1:16:27 PMYou laud Jesus for defeating our enemy. Yet, with all His infinite power, He killed no one. He triumphed, not by killing others, but by proving Himself greater than hate and fear, and greater even than death. Your understanding of the meaning of the gospels is terribly twisted, a grotesque distortion mirrored perfectly in your argument here. You should stop writing, and start praying -- for help.11/18/2010 1:12:06 PMYes, I think Jesus' example on the cross can best be summed up as: "Kill your enemies!"11/18/2010 12:58:36 PMWhat Bible do you read? Because in the Bible I read, Jesus was not a sadistic murderer. He taught love and respect, sir. He did not tell his followers to kill as many of their "enemies" as they possibly could. You, and the website that published this disgusting work of violence against mankind, should be ashamed.11/18/2010 12:53:45 PMA Christian who follows Jesus is advocating that we need to hold killing in higher esteem than saving others....wait...didn't Jesus say to love our enemies.....what....head explodes.11/18/2010 12:53:05 PMKeep it up man, you've just done more damage to your sick cult than Richard Dawkins could dream of in his wildest fantasies!11/18/2010 12:38:32 PMAs wrong and misled as I feel this article is, wouldn't I be a hypocrite to then come down on the writer with such judgment and rage? I strongly disagree with his writing, but Christian love must be extended even to those Christians with whom I disagree.11/18/2010 12:13:46 PMYou really didn't think this one through, did you Bryan?11/18/2010 12:07:32 PMThat quote from Corinthians is a laugh. The Crucifixion didn't give a mortal wound to the tyrants who persecuted him; the Pharisees would continue to rule the Temple, Jerusalem, and the Jewish Kingdoms until its destruction at the hands of the Roman pagans decades later; a destruction carried out to snuff out the sort of religious radicalism which Jesus advocated. Nor did it "wound" the Romans themselves. Pagan Roman culture would continue to reign for centuries and, even when Christianity did supplant it as a result of a singe inept ploy among the endless succession conflicts for the throne, it did not do it by making the Roman government more Christian; it did it by making Christianity more Roman. Christianity essentially took over%11/18/2010 12:00:01 PMThis all sounds kind of familiar. Oh, I know: "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter." - Adolph Hitler, "My New Order", 1922 Well done.11/18/2010 11:56:06 AMAs a Vietnam vet who was awarded a medal for valor in combat, I find this piece by Fischer to be vile and derogatory. As a Christian I find it to be morally reprehensible. As a man I find it to be repugnant.11/18/2010 11:46:28 AMSpeaking as an atheist who has actually read the Bible, I find a great deal of wisdom and truth in the teachings of Jesus. Perhaps you should go back and read them again? It's clear you didn't understand them the first time. Start with the Sermon on the Mount, then reread your article above. And remember, it's ok to be ashamed of what you've written. After all, I seem to recall Christians believe in redemption once they admit their sins.11/18/2010 11:32:15 AMI very much hope that you get the help you need quickly. How sad for you to be so damaged.11/18/2010 11:31:34 AMBryan, please stop. Consider that your article conveys a "Christianity" that is far from Christ-like. Keep silly little nonsensical thoughts in your head, and only write articles that Jesus would approve. Consider the heart of the Gospel, and forget your secular politics.11/18/2010 11:28:38 AMPfc McWhorter, William A. (and probably many, many other recipients) would like a word with you.11/18/2010 11:25:46 AMI'm trying to square up your comment " Not one has been awarded for inflicting casualties on the enemy. Not one" . . . with your earlier statement:" . . . had been taken captive by two Taliban, whom Sgt. Giunta shot to free his comrade-in-arms." Please advise, thx.11/18/2010 11:15:38 AMMr. Fischer I wish you and your cult well, just wish it was a suicide cult.11/18/2010 11:11:23 AM"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?"11/18/2010 11:06:12 AMWell, I figured it out. Bryan doesn't really believe any of this -- it's just that President Obama did "something" and whatever "something" he does, must be criticized by the Right. You really gotta stretch to criticize a Medal of Honor recipient/ceremony, which is why we got this drivel. Unfortunately, the rubber band broke. There are some things you don't criticize. Obama was part of a nice ceremony. Let it go, dear.11/18/2010 11:02:09 AMYour misinterpretation of the meaning of Jesus' life and death is atonishing. Our Lord allowed -- allowed -- himself to be murdered to underscore his teaching about turning the other cheek. He walked his talk all the way to Calvary, and that is why he remains the light and the way.11/18/2010 11:01:51 AMThis an absolutely ridiculous statement and one that dishonors the brave service men and women (who you seem to forget so easily here). Jesus consistently valued forgiveness, healing, and selflessness and refused to speak ill of or fight against his captors (all acts you might term "feminine"). Your analysis is foolish, demeaning, and utterly out of touch with Christianity and the strength of character in today's military service men and women.11/18/2010 11:01:16 AMHey, great job representing the american family association. Their true colors are showing now. Haters, misogynists, racists, yeah! Bring it, baby!11/18/2010 11:00:58 AMi'm a recovering southern baptist and a war veteran. after reading this piece of literary excrement, i have one question: has mr. fischer ever served in the military?11/18/2010 10:59:08 AMThis demands a phone call. Anyone know how we can reach this guys boss so we can get him fired? I mean, I know one way that could perhaps change his ways. I can pray to the Heavenly Father and beg him that he has mercy on Bryan's blackened soul. I know Jesus has a thing against false prophets, but poor man Bryan seems so delusional to even realize that he is preaching against the Christ he proclaims as Lord and Savior. Oh Lord Jesus! Lead Brother Bryan to repentance! Forgive his sins! Have mercy upon him, the worst kind of sinner, the one who leads others to sin! Have mercy, Son of David, have mercy!11/18/2010 10:58:40 AMHey, I'm smart enough to go on wingnut welfare too!11/18/2010 10:57:59 AMYou're also a sexist jerk. "Feminized" - used in a disparaging, derogatory way. Grow up, little boy.11/18/2010 10:57:58 AM"Bryan Fischer is invited to come to the Glory Days Bar & Grill just outside Fort Benning GA and we will be more than happy to give him the "feminization" experience he so richly deserves." I'm sure the Chief's Club at Naval Amphibious Base Little Creek, home of several SEAL teams and Naval Riverine Forces would be happy to continue the lesson.11/18/2010 10:57:57 AMIs this guy even a Christian?11/18/2010 10:54:17 AMThis is the most perverse reading of Christian scripture I have ever seen. You should be ashamed of yourself. Personally, I am ashamed to be part of the same faith as an idiot like you.11/18/2010 10:52:18 AMYou have one really demented view of Christianity my friend. Using Jesus as an example of why we should honor killing?11/18/2010 10:51:32 AMYou are truly the scum of the Earth. Unbelievable.11/18/2010 10:36:35 AM"A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon" The linking of Jesus to the approval of the slaughter of war is just jaw dropping, as is your lamentations that the Medal of Honor is no longer steeped in enough blood. Sir, war is not a movie made in Hollywood. Your piece makes me wonder if you have any idea what war actually entails or any inkling of what heroism truly is.11/18/2010 10:20:46 AMThank you, Bryan Fischer, for providing us a glaring example of the VAST gulf between the brave, magnanimous, and courageous few who serve the USA in the military and the gutless, effete, and utterly moronic chickenhawks who get orgasmic pleasure from war but wouldn't get within 5000 miles of the front lines. And yet these gutless right-wing warmonger fools have the hubris to make such outlandishly stupid comments such as Fischer's above.11/18/2010 10:19:12 AMThis is just awful, especially from someone who never wore a uniform or fired a weapon in anger.11/18/2010 10:04:24 AMA "Mortal Wound" to the enemy of 'sin' is far, far different from KILLING PEOPLE. And as you seem to have forgotten, Jesus got a wee bit peeved when Peter cut off an opponent's ear. Remember the whole "live by the sword, die by the sword" incident? No?11/18/2010 10:01:31 AMExcept it's not true. Sgt. 1st Class Paul R. Smith awarded the Medal in 2005 for fighting off an enemy force and killing 50 enemy. Of course, that was when we had a "real American" in the WH, so that's different (gag). This is the kind of thing that happens when you try to wrap the Flag around the Cross, or to drape it in anything other than Jesus. You only bring dishonor on the Cross.11/18/2010 9:42:23 AMPerhaps we should just strap bombs to our soldiers and have them blow themselves up in crowds of Muslims. That way, they will at least die by heroically taking out the enemy. /sarcasm Dolt.11/18/2010 9:41:45 AMThanks AFA, for yet another reminder of why I cannot call myself a conservative anymore. SSGT Giunta showed more bravery and valor in that one action than you, or anyone else in the AFA, will in your entire life.11/18/2010 9:24:14 AMReturn to the ways of your Fathers! Why have we rejected the Aesir? Why have we traded Thor, the defender of Midgard, for a Middle Eastern faith of meekness? When will we learn nothing worthwhile comes from there? The Halls of Valhalla beckon brother. The old ways still are in your heart, embrace them.11/18/2010 9:09:36 AMBryan Isn't one of the 10 commandments "Thou Shall Not Kill"?11/18/2010 8:52:12 AMWhen will you and the religious right even open the bible to the Beatitudes. If you read Christ's teachings you would find them feminine in nature. Blessed are the meek, merciful, peaceful, and pure of heart. You are exhibit A when it comes to show that many of these "Christian" groups have little to do with Christ himself or his teachings.11/18/2010 8:39:48 AMI'm a Soldier serving in Baghdad right now and I cannot believe my eyes. You are a worthless human being.11/18/2010 8:39:21 AMYou have got to be kidding me man. Did you serve?11/18/2010 8:37:31 AMso...a full page of CHARACTER assassinations. Not that I agree but, could we at least disagree with the ISSUE instead of using it as a pedestal to bash the straw man of inbred conservatism? Hey, maybe he's wrong. Can we address the issue as an intellectual IDEA? "You're a bible thumping idiot" is not a legitimate, well thought out response.11/18/2010 8:37:01 AMThe only way to understand this is to acknowledge that religious belief is a form of mental illness.11/18/2010 8:01:16 AMSo let me see...if I build a nuclear bomb, bring it to Kabul, set it off and kill everyone there, yes some innocents may die, and yes some allies may die, but think of all the EVIL ONES I will have killed and Jesus will be proud of me and I will get a cool shiny medal! Woo hoo!11/18/2010 7:59:18 AMMr. Fischer, your tragic comments indicate that you don't know the difference between love and fear. They indicate that you have missed the whole point of Christianity and Christ's teachings.11/18/2010 7:52:12 AMDisgusting. Go die in a fire somewhere.11/18/2010 7:44:48 AMhttp://history.amedd.army.mil/medal.html To name a few medics awarded the Medal of Honor.11/18/2010 7:40:37 AMThere is nothing more 'feminized' than the religious who preach Christian war safely from a podium or blog. You, sir, are a Christian Queen.11/18/2010 7:38:58 AMMr. Fisher I just read your bio and it mentions nothing of military service. I doubt you ever served in the military and certainly only serve your warped self-interest. Your comments above are shameful, hate-filled and simply wrong. You are a coward.11/18/2010 7:38:52 AMholy cow! how can you allow this Bryan Fisher to write this? it is totally blasphemous to connect Jesus with violence. I'm pretty sure that Christ preached a message of non-violence and would be leading the protests against any and all wars.11/18/2010 7:38:44 AMSimply said, without being political, the medal of honor is an award given for gallantry while engaged in combat where the recipients life is in imminent danger. The thought that this award should be given for killing more people is crazy. If this war were based on one clinch pin figurehead then possibly, but it's not. Now the bad part... The Taliban has the kind of award Mr. Fischer would like. I am sure that had the individuals carrying away the body of the wounded American soldier made it they no doubt would have been given an award. So which award do you prefer?11/18/2010 6:57:39 AMBryan, maybe you should read the very short story, "The War Prayer" by Mark Twain, although thinking about it you wouldn't get the point. You can read it here: http://warprayer.org/11/18/2010 6:53:13 AMI am putrified. When self-righteous homo sapiens such as you continue to spew your brand of swill, you give religion a bad name. Why don't you enlist and go visit the rockpile known as Afghanistan and show 'em how it is supposed to be done?11/18/2010 6:50:35 AMBryan Fischer is invited to come to the Glory Days Bar & Grill just outside Fort Benning GA and we will be more than happy to give him the "feminization" experience he so richly deserves.11/18/2010 6:28:44 AMWho is more "feminized": the man who risks his life to save his fellow soldiers, or the man who sits at a comfy desk playing with words all day? Who is more Christ-like: the soldiers of our military who risk their lives EVERY DAY to protect our freedoms, or the man who casts stones at them from afar? Your argument fails the most basic test of logic: if you save the lives of your fellow soldiers so that they may fight another day, they will be able to kill more bad guys than if you had let them die. You, sir, are a coward and a fool, and a disgrace to your country and to Jesus Christ.11/18/2010 6:27:47 AMI'm sure I'm not the first one to think this, but this guy just HAS to a secret liberal agent-provocateur on a mission to make Christian conservatives look really, really bad.11/18/2010 1:16:25 AMI'm a former Marine, a Republican, a Christian, and conservative. This guy does not represent me. I would like to see his service record. Did he storm the beaches at Normandy, Peleliu? Was he in the jungles of Vietnam, or the Chosin resevior in Korea? I doubt it. Shameful.11/18/2010 1:11:56 AMI'm trying really hard right now to remember why everyone hates Muslims.11/18/2010 12:27:44 AMWhat an awful little man.11/18/2010 12:05:06 AMTHANK YOU! I've been saying this all week! It's about time someone realizes that running into gunfire is for *******. This nancy girl is no hero. Anyone can run forward. Big deal. Maybe if he did it all running backwards I could see a medal. But not the Medal of Honor.11/18/2010 12:01:29 AMYou, sir, are an idiot. The medal is meant for acts of bravery, not depending on whose side gets killed. Please retire.11/17/2010 11:53:52 PM"We rightly honor those who give up their lives to save their comrades. It’s about time we started also honoring those who kill bad guys." Bad guys? Wow. You have steeped to a new low. You are an insult to every veteran and war hero who has sacrificed themselves to save and protect their comrades. There is no honor in killing, but no greater honor than giving your life to save a brother-in-arms. God forgive you.11/17/2010 11:52:24 PMYou sir, are a disgrace to all thinking people, believing or otherwise. It is blinkered, arrogant, narrowminded, medieval thinking such as yours that drove families like mine away from organized religion two generations ago. And I'm glad to say we've never looked back.11/17/2010 11:34:51 PMPerhaps you need to spend some time with Jesus and his Sermon on the Mount. Your article must have Him weeping at your total misunderstanding of His life and sacrifice. There is nothing Christian about your warmongering.11/17/2010 11:31:45 PMBryan, Seeing how rah-rah you are about killing, why haven't you served in the military?11/17/2010 11:21:38 PMThis is perhaps one of the most disgusting articles I have EVER read from a gutless chickenhawk. According to your bio on this very site, you have never donned a uniform - how DARE you even try to comment on something like the Medal of Honor in such disparaging tones? Each servicemember who has been awarded this highest of honors, and indeed any member who has served in the defense of our great nation, possesses more honor than you, Bryan Fischer, will EVER know. American Family Association: You allow this tripe to be spread on your web site. You are as useless as Fischer. Hope you're satisfied with the scorn you and Fischer are about to reap, for your organization and Fischer are nothing but scum.11/17/2010 11:08:00 PMI think you need to put aside the Bible and read Sun-Tzu. The object of waging war is not to kill a lot of enemy fighters, but to achieve victory. In fact, as we sadly learned in Vietnam, it's possible to amass an awe-inspiring body count and still lose the conflict.11/17/2010 11:01:03 PMSo saving lives is feminine? Okay, so I guess that means that if you rush into a burning building (let's hypothetically call it the Torld Wrade Center) to save the lives of people trapped in there, and you die while doing so, then you're just a big nutless fairy, huh? Come on, fess up: You were drunk when you wrote this, weren't you?11/17/2010 10:47:40 PMYou, sir, do not deserve to breath the same air as this brave soldier. SSG Giunta is a humble soldier with Christ in his heart. You, sir, on the other hand, are just hateful, spiteful and UN-CHRISTIAN! If you are an example of what a Christian should be, give me a Quran. You make Olbermann look positively saintly. You're a miserable old man who knows nothing of the battlefield, of duty, of honor and of courage. Words that have meaning to soldiers like SSG Giunta. You only mouth them and know not their meaning to soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines. God forgive you, for I shall not.11/17/2010 10:35:01 PMWhat else do you expect from the AFA? An organization that is SOLELY committed to making sure one minority segment of the population is never granted equality.11/17/2010 10:34:29 PMYou're really making the rest of us Christians look bad.11/17/2010 10:17:17 PMAt least do a favor to the decent Evangelicals I know and spew your silliness under some other group's auspices, like The Angry Guy That Sit at The End of The Bar at Three in the Afternoon Saying Crazy Drunken Things to Anyone Unfortunate Enough to Sit Too Close Association. Honestly, you have more in common with them, I think.11/17/2010 10:11:56 PMAnother typical cowardly right-wing yellow elephant, hiding behind his bible, spewing offensive drivel all in the name of Jesus - who, I was tickled to note that someone had pointed out - killed NOBODY and so, according to this blithering idiot, not be worthy of his macho medal of honor. I don't know whether I should be shocked or saddened by such projective nonsense anymore. I'm sure Fischer will be running off to his pal Ted Haggard's house soon to dream up some ignorant pseudo-macho nonsense to spew to denigrate REL men soon...11/17/2010 9:59:20 PMSomebody who can read that citation and think "how gay" seems a wee bit preoccupied with gayness. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.11/17/2010 9:58:11 PMblathering,unchristian, cowardly fool!11/17/2010 9:51:01 PMDoes the author honestly think his efforts to denigrate and villify in the name of anti-"feminization" are somehow throwing people off the scent regarding suspicions of his own sexuality?11/17/2010 9:47:46 PMI think Bryan fails to realize the gross disrespect he aims at all women by making such a generalization on what "femininity" is.11/17/2010 9:46:48 PMThe AFA is quickly becoming the American version of Al Queda or the Taliban by using religion to justify violence. Good job Fischer, you're becoming more and more like a terrorist every day.11/17/2010 9:24:10 PMSpeaking as an American who loves God, it would be difficult to be more disappointed in a fellow human being than I am with Mr. Fischer at this moment.11/17/2010 9:22:02 PMI suppose we'll just have to take back Sergeant York's Medal of Honor. After all, he did it to save his comrades. And that unspeakable wimp Rodger Young should be dug up so we can kick him out of the Army for femininity. How dare the Ballad of Rodger Young be the Infantry's most beloved song. In fact, we should probably take back most of the MOHs. If you look at the records the majority were for acts of heroism saving the lives of American servicemen.11/17/2010 9:19:44 PM"So the question is this: when are we going to start awarding the Medal of Honor once again for soldiers who kill people and break things so our families can sleep safely at night?" That is complete and utter horsepucky. You actually believe this? That we are killing Afghanis (and Pakistanis) and Iraqis because they are a THREAT to us? Are you kidding?11/17/2010 8:48:43 PMWow, not one person here is agreeing with or defending your statements Mr. Fisher. Not one so far. Your simple-minded saber rattling is the kind of prattle that happily sends sons and daughter off to war, glorious war! But you yourself? Oh you can't serve. You have to defend the homefront from feminization. For Jesus. This is why I don't let invisible friends tell me what is right and wrong. What is brave and what isn't. Do you know what defines a man? His actions. Yours speak for themselves.11/17/2010 8:46:40 PMWow. It looks like Fred Phelps has himself a pen pal. People who act honorably are awarded the medal of honor. Racking up a body count isn't honorable, you moron. It's sick. You're the reason good Christians have to justify their faith.11/17/2010 8:37:59 PMAs a woman, I find it odd that you would try to use my gender as an insult and a slur against a military hero who risked his own life to try to save another. I guess it's hard to understand what these brave men go through, when you have never served a day yourself, and the biggest danger you have likely faced is the risk of carpal-tunnel syndrome. Sorry the government doesn't give awards for being the biggest chickenhawk. All hail the 101st. Keyboard Brigade!11/17/2010 8:26:15 PMYou're an embarrassment to all of the good people in this world, conservative and liberal alike; and nothing but a humiliation to your God.11/17/2010 8:09:00 PMThe author correctly notes in the bible that Jesus stabbed 11 Roman soldiers in the eyeball before giving his flesh that we may live eternally.11/17/2010 8:03:19 PMActually, that "famous" quote from Gen. Patton is from the movie, Patton, not from the real General. You misquoted it, as well. Next time, maybe try forming you ideas around war from somewhere other than Hollywood before you disseminate your half-baked ideas of masculinity. "Friend of Life" indeed!11/17/2010 7:55:04 PMYou'll say anything to score political points, won't you? The First Amendment is wasted on some people11/17/2010 7:54:29 PMWhy is it that those who never served feel righteous about commenting on the brave men and women who do?11/17/2010 7:53:01 PMHey Bryan I don't remember seeing you out there "inflicting casualties" Oh that would because you a arm chair general who has to send better men and woman to fight for you. Since you are a cowered. If you are going to quote a great man Li George S.Patton quote him correctly "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." I won't even begin to acknowledge the fact you call yourself a Christian.11/17/2010 7:48:28 PMLet me ask if Mr. Fisher is secretly homosexual because, frankly, his description of his fantasy of "manly" soldiers and fear of "feminized" soldier strike me as the sort of skewed viewpoint one might have if they were struggling with their own sexual identity. We straights out here in the world just don't see how SSGT Giunta's actions as describe in his MoH c

Wow. I actually got tired reading that.

Dang, beter....I do believe that's the longest sentence I've ever read.

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I believe it will be educational to Cage and others to see the amount of consistently negative comments on the article,

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Come on, Cage

Maybe you should get you head out of your ass and re- read the opening comment of my post.

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Oh, if only Gen. Patton were only alive today, I'd hope he would make "short work" of this trash...(Bryan Fischer)

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Feminized? If I were a man, I think I'd be insulted. Me not think. Me kill. I am femine and if I were a betting woman, I'd bet my sense of right/wrong and justice would knock dear Bryan's socks off.

Try using "humanized" instead and in the mean time, stick it, Bryan Fischer.

JMHO

Yes...you are a good example of what the author is speaking about.

"humanized" and war don't belong in the same sentence.

trust me...if you are under fire, you want the killingest psycho ever on your side.

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On July 25,1963 Congress established a set of guidelines under which the Medal of Honor could be awarded:
a.) while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States;
b.) while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or,
c.) while serving with friendly forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

I don't see where saving a life is covered. Saving life is valiant...but not worthy of the MOH. That action is awarded the "Soldier's Medal".

From the very beginnings of the MOH, it has regularly been awarded for saving lives.

Examples from the Civil War:

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ANDERSON, ROBERT

Rank and organization: Quartermaster, U.S. Navy. Born: 1841, Ireland. Accredited to: New Hampshire. G.O. No.: 17, 10 July 1863. Citation. Served on board the U.S.S. Crusader and the Keokuk during various actions of those vessels. Carrying out his duties skillfully while on board the U.S.S. Crusader, Q.M. Anderson, on all occasions, set forth the greatest intrepidity and devotion. During the attack on Charleston, while serving on board the U.S.S. Keokuk, Q.M. Anderson was stationed at the wheel when shot penetrated the house and, with the scattering of the iron, used his own body as a shield for his commanding officer.

BAKER, CHARLES

Rank and organization: Quarter Gunner, U.S. Navy. Born: 1809, Georgetown, D.C., Entered service at: New York, N.Y. G.O. No.: 71, 15 January 1866. Citation: Served on board the U.S.S. Metacomet. As a member of the boat's crew which went to the rescue of the U.S. monitor Tecumseh when that vessel was struck by a torpedo in passing the enemy forts in Mobile Bay, 5 August 1864, Q.G. Baker braved the enemy fire which was said by the admiral to be "one of the most galling" he had ever seen, and aided in rescuing from death 10 of the crew of the Tecumseh, eliciting the admiration of both friend and foe.

BARTON, THOMAS

Rank and organization: Seaman, U.S. Navy. Born: 1831, Cleveland, Ohio. Accredited to: Ohio. G.O. No.: 11, 3 April 1863. Citation: On board the U.S.S. Hunchback in the attack on Franklin, Va., 3 October 1862. When an ignited shell, with cartridge attached, fell out of the howitzer upon the deck, S/man Barton promptly seized a pail of water and threw it upon the missile, thereby preventing it from exploding.

BEATTY, ALEXANDER M.

Rank and organization: Captain, Company F, 3d Vermont Infantry. Place and date: At Cold Harbor, Va., 5 June 1864. Entered service at: Vermont. Born: 29 July 1828, Ryegate, Vt. Date of issue: 25 April 1894. Citation: Removed, under a hot fire, a wounded member of his command to a place of safety.

BEYER, HILLARY

Rank and organization: Second Lieutenant, Company H, 90th Pennsylvania Infantry. Place and date: At Antietam, Md., 17 September 1862. Entered service at: Philadelphia, Pa. Birth:------. Date of issue: 30 October 1896. Citation: After his command had been forced to fall back, remained alone on the line of battle, caring for his wounded comrades and carrying one of them to a place of safety.

Saving a life not worthy of the MOH? Yeah, right. You're way off base on that statement.

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On July 25,1963 Congress established a set of guidelines under which the Medal of Honor could be awarded:
a.) while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States;
b.) while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or,
c.) while serving with friendly forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

Look at the criteria REAL close there kims...

On July 25,1963 Congress established a set of guidelines under which the Medal of Honor could be awarded:
a.) while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States;
b.) while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or,
c.) while serving with friendly forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

Do you see >>>>1963<<<...thats NINETEEN SIXTY THREE. Did that escape you when you were googling trying to find a rebuttal?

Now google "soldiers medal"

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Originally posted by Tool:

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On July 25,1963 Congress established a set of guidelines under which the Medal of Honor could be awarded:
a.) while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States;
b.) while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or,
c.) while serving with friendly forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

Look at the criteria REAL close there kims...

On July 25,1963 Congress established a set of guidelines under which the Medal of Honor could be awarded:
a.) while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States;
b.) while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or,
c.) while serving with friendly forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

Do you see >>>>1963<<<...thats NINETEEN SIXTY THREE. Did that escape you when you were googling trying to find a rebuttal?

Now google "soldiers medal"

Totally escapes you that the intent of the MOH from its inception was to honor soldiers for all types of valor while in combat situations, don't it?

The 1963 guidelines would not have prevented a single one of my examples from being awarded. Every one of them was engaged in action against an enemy of the United States.

I don't need to google Soldier's Medal...I'm well aware of it, and for what actions it can be awarded. It's not germane in this conversation, as it's awarded for valor while the recipient is not in conflict with an enemy.

Bryan Fischer, the odious writer of the article discussed here, has now removed it from the AFA web pages and has gone on in two successive parts to attempt to defend the indefensible bilge he posted earlier. By hiding (he thinks) the original article, he hopes to obfuscate the truth about what he said, but it should be obvious that the varmint is dodging, weaving and hedging in all kinds of unsuccessful ways to keep himself from looking like the cretinous wretch that he is.

Fischer avoids acknowledging that two of the eight MOHs awarded in Afghanistan/Iraq were to soldiers who did plenty of killing of the enemy to earn their medals. Still relying on the faulty Wall Street Journal article, Fischer alleges,

"By my rough count, about 25% of the Medals of Honor during the Vietnam War were granted to soldiers who showed unusual bravery and courage in assertive military action against the enemy. So far, according to Bill McGurn of the Wall Street Journal, we have yet to do so even once in our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Surely there have been exceptional acts of bravery of those kinds in these wars, and yet we have failed to grant our highest honor for gallantry to any of them."

The post in this string by TheMeInTeam absolutely blows away the utterly erroneous statement by McGurn. Exactly the same percentage (25%/two of 8) of medals awarded in Afghanistan/Iraq were for such "assertive military action against the enemy." The glaring truth here is that Fischer does not know how to to the work of journalism and then, having failed in his craft, has tried and miserably failed to cover his sorry tracks with thin smoke and broken mirrors.

That Fischer continues, even in the face of much deserved criticism, to cite the McGurn article without verifying it, shows what an amateur journalist he is. Some of the answers to his Part I--posted on his own blog--referenced the medals of Smith and Murphy (see The MeInTeam, above). Ironically, Fischer condemns his critics for not reading his Part I (he has no proof for that--just ASSertions), while obviously not having read replies to his article that clearly showed him wrong on the basis for which 2 of the 8 MOHs (25%!) in Afghanistan/Iraq were awardeded. What a blithering, incompetent, irremediable fool!!!

Wildlife note: There is an animal called the "fisher" that is in the weasel family. This Bryan Fischer belongs in the same classification!

EXPECT Fischer to be off base in most of what he says. I have researched the creep and he is one of the hard-edged theocratic ideologues on the extremely right-wing radio network (AFA)out of Mississippi started by Donald Wildmon. The regulars on that network do no thinking for themselves; they simply parrot the winger line down to the nth fine point, and they have their coterie of devoted listeners who similarly have difficulty entertaining an original thought. It is pitiful! It is sheeple city at AFA. They peddle their drivel on FM Channel 89.9 in the Shoals, in case you need a good emetic.

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Originally posted by beternU:
Bryan Fischer, the odious writer of the article discussed here, has now removed it from the AFA web pages and has gone on in two successive parts to attempt to defend the indefensible bilge he posted earlier. By hiding (he thinks) the original article, he hopes to obfuscate the truth about what he said, but it should be obvious that the varmint is dodging, weaving and hedging in all kinds of unsuccessful ways to keep himself from looking like the cretinous wretch that he is.

Fischer avoids acknowledging that two of the eight MOHs awarded in Afghanistan/Iraq were to soldiers who did plenty of killing of the enemy to earn their medals. Still relying on the faulty Wall Street Journal article, Fischer alleges,

"By my rough count, about 25% of the Medals of Honor during the Vietnam War were granted to soldiers who showed unusual bravery and courage in assertive military action against the enemy. So far, according to Bill McGurn of the Wall Street Journal, we have yet to do so even once in our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Surely there have been exceptional acts of bravery of those kinds in these wars, and yet we have failed to grant our highest honor for gallantry to any of them."

The post in this string by TheMeInTeam absolutely blows away the utterly erroneous statement by McGurn. Exactly the same percentage (25%/two of 8) of medals awarded in Afghanistan/Iraq were for such "assertive military action against the enemy." The glaring truth here is that Fischer does not know how to to the work of journalism and then, having failed in his craft, has tried and miserably failed to cover his sorry tracks with thin smoke and broken mirrors.

That Fischer continues, even in the face of much deserved criticism, to cite the McGurn article without verifying it, shows what an amateur journalist he is. Some of the answers to his Part I--posted on his own blog--referenced the medals of Smith and Murphy (see The MeInTeam, above). Ironically, Fischer condemns his critics for not reading his Part I (he has no proof for that--just ASSertions), while obviously not having read replies to his article that clearly showed him wrong on the basis for which 2 of the 8 MOHs (25%!) in Afghanistan/Iraq were awarded. What a blithering, incompetent, irremediable fool!!!

Wildlife note: There is an animal called the "fisher" that is in the weasel family. This Bryan Fischer belongs in the same classification!

The essence of why the MOH is awarded is for someone that goes above and beyond what is expected at the risk of their own life. It could be taking out the enemy or saving the life of others. That is why most are awarded Posthumously.