Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
As long as there seem to be a group of people dead set on making gun purchases easy for crazy people and felons to obtain, we will continue to have senseless killings. Our two senators or part of that problem.
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Weed,
Please go to
www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473
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If the link fails, google BATF 4473 and get a pdf download. This is the form we fill out when we purchase a gun.
I can’t copy the questions but here is a summation
11a. Are you the actual buyer
11b. Are you under indictment for a felony
11c. Have you been convicted of a felony
11d. Are you a fugitive
11e. Are you an unlawful user of marijuana...or other controlled substances. [Check 6, some people ]
11f. Are you mentally deficient
The questions go on about CDV and illegals. I really should have summed up CDV. That ranks at the top.
The NRA supports all these intrusions into our personal history. Personally, I also support complete background checks though I know some who oppose the Patriot Act would probably object. Hell, they can have my hard drive so long as I can get some .22 ammo.
For references to 11f, Weed, meet Alice Boland. The poster child of crazy. And apparently a liberal darling.
This is the case of who a person who made threats against the POTUS. Who was charged but not convicted by reason of mental defect. She has a pedigree in being batspit crazy. And it's on file....somewhere.
Later, she goes to buy a gun from a FFL dealer. She fills out all the required paperwork. She lies on question 11f. The dealer, with her present, calls in for the required background check to the Feds. It is approved. Except for the lie which she told which the background check did not catch...a routine purchase.
She takes the gun and tries to shoot a high school teacher. On a field trip.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02...al-illness.html?_r=0
If the link fails, just google Alice Boland. You’ll figure which one she is. The one who threatened the POTUS.
Now tell me what group you think is was that blocked the mental defect information on her background check? NRA? Bad guess.
She broke the law when she lied on the 4473 and was not prosecuted by the Feds. Who do you think blocked the prosecution of her? NRA. Bad guess again.
So who was the group, Weed? The ASPCA?
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Well, here is my personal experience.
When I bought my 44MAG in Memphis, there was a 3 day waiting period so they could check to see if you were a bad guy. (no computers in those days)
The last 2 guns I bought took all of about 5 minutes between the form, and a quick call with either my DL or SS number (can't remember which)
I did not view that as an undue intrusion into my personal liberty, nor my 2nd Amendment rights. Hell, it took more time and effort to get the utilities turned on in one of my apartments last year.
I don't think it is too much to ask, that for mentally unstable people, and felons to have to submit to the same standards , even if they go to a gun show out here at the Fairgrounds,
I can't understand why that is such a problem for so many., unless it is they who are either a law breaking felon, crazy, or all the above.
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Dammit man, you have had you share of experiences. I feel your pain.
At first, they called it a cooling off period. It was pushed by the CDV folks thinking a 10 day waiting period was needed. Problem was, they didn’t factor in the potential victim’s immediate needs.
So then there was the thing about the computers. But we were all in the same boat together.
Now we have instant back ground checks. Oh boy! But the problem is as I tried to point out in the Boland case is people can lie on the forms and it is bureaucracy standing in the way of getting the right information out there for adequate background checks to be made.
In this case, Boland, I can only surmise the reason why her background check regarding being mentally deficient is because that sort of information may be withheld because of doctor-patient privilege. But good grief man, it’s not like this girl is just a little bit off, she’s a danger to herself and others. Why would that be withheld? It dammed near resulted in a murder. As a gun owning conservative I find that inexcusable. As a gun owning liberal, what’s your take on it?
When folks get wind of stuff like that, who do they point their fingers at? The good old NRA.
Far as felons buying guns at gun shows, no offense buddy, but that’s getting old. See I went to the last gun show at the Fair Grounds and bought me a nice .22 revolver for plinking. And I filled out all requisite paperwork. Sat right there while it was phoned in. How come felons get a break and I don’t?
So help me here. Give me a single incidence where a felon bought a gun at a Shoals gun show from a FFL dealer and didn’t fill out paperwork. I know this is a rhetorical question, doesn’t require an answer.
We know felons, pot smokers , and crazies lie like a damm rug so we can’t hold the seller responsible for that can we if the background check clears the liar as it did me. Especially when some of the question regarding mental health are totally unenforceable as it presently stands.
We have a problem between sales of private individuals when a seller, say, advertises a gun and winds up selling it to someone he doesn’t know. I’ve sold a few guns but only once to a guy I didn’t know. A USAF colonel. I got every piece of identification I could from him. I still have it.
When a gun is used in a crime, it’s going to be traced back to it’s original, and it’s up to every other owner to really "Watch his 6." [I swear I’m going to use that more often] recording who he sold it to. I’ve sold guns to friends but I had no way of knowing if they would later sell it to someone they didn’t know.
So CYA.
You reloading yet? That .44 can be harder on your wallet than on your hand.
And oh yeah, the junk. I'm just trolling.