Meeting tonight on new gun laws

Pup, if that is not what I said, it is close enough.

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Well, I copy/pasted it from a long line of quotes. Wasn't sure exactly who said it.

My point was, it's just really gotta suck to live with that kinda fear. 

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Well, I copy/pasted it from a long line of quotes. Wasn't sure exactly who said it.

My point was, it's just really gotta suck to live with that kinda fear. 

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Well, I copy/pasted it from a long line of quotes. Wasn't sure exactly who said it.

My point was, it's just really gotta suck to live with that kinda fear. 

Okay, here is the basic problem.  No, it isn't selfish not to want guns in schools or to have a difference of perspective about the issue.  Your comment is offensive and is why the conversation stalls.  I am a people watcher as well and no, this isn't about accepting personal responsibility.  You ended a reasonable discussion when you made the "you liberals" comment.  It wasn't true, wasn't necessary, and wasn't very helpful.  I don't want anyone to do my dirty work for me, and neither do others who happen to not want guns in certain places and who want solid background checks.  Why did you resort to that?  Didn't you have anything more reasonable to say?  Liberals aren't the only ones who want guns out of schools and who want reasonable checks and safety.  How sad you had to try to make this political and call people who happen to disagree with you selfish.  I could have tried to paint all who want to carry guns to school events as selfish and given just as many reasons as you would for calling those who don't selfish, but I didn't.  Seriously, can you not keep that out of a polite conversation?  The only thing that brings fear out for me is the thought of people who have cowboy attitudes or those with mental issues or anger issues or drinking carrying guns near my family. It isn't about reasonable people who are trained and in reasonable places.  

Wow. It must really suck to have to go through life afraid of everybody all the time.

Couple things I notice all these armed 'heroes-in-waiting' don't seem to consider:

Supposing somebody does shoot up the next Luby's or Jack's you are in...

What if you're one of the first ones shot and killed?

  What if you're not and you shoot the wrong person?

Either one is likely to happen first. Specially since prolly every yahoo in the place is likely to be packin'.

Well...Dayum! Pup!

Guess tha' rest of us Hillbillies don't have your ability ta' be  "faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound"!

Show hope tha' hell I don' run across yow "bad ass" anytime!

Nex time I go out in "publix" can I call ya' ta' come set at tha' table nex ta' me??? 

Be kinda comfortin' ta' have a "badass" "Karate Kid" coverin' my Ol' Redneck azz...

(chuckle...chuckle...)

If you drive down wood av  or pine st with no plan of stopping at UNA that will put you within a 1000 feet of a school. So does this mean you can't drive on wood or pine or tune av or hermitage dr, bradshaw dr and I am sure there are more streets within a 1000 feet of a school without taking a chance of getting arrested even with a permit. 

Actually,,,what REALLY must SUCK...is being a NORTHERNER...stuck in the pit of the SOUTH (Alerbamer)...and hating every moment of it.

THEN...there is the fact that you pro'ly stick out like a "sore thumb"...when you don' haf too...

Yep...

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Ya know...It makes me chuckle when I hear stuff like this. It really does.

That kind of thinking reminds me of the Xtian fundies who can't even begin to comprehend that there are people who don't believe in their god. And of course if they don't, there absolutely must be something wrong with them. Just like the gun nuts.  They can't imagine *anybody* not being afraid of their fellow man and packin' heat. To them-something's wrong with anybody that doesn't.

Rolly, I don't have to be faster than a speeding bullet. I just have to be smarter than the impulsive lout who thinks on a two-minute clock.

  You must be so tired at the end of every day what with having to constantly prove what a tough guy ya are all day long with yer gun.

Of course you are. *Everybody's* a tough guy when they got a gun in their pocket.

My neighbor's six year old daughter would be a force to be reckoned with with her dad's pistol and she doesn't even remotely pretend to be tough.

  I don't have to prove how tough I am to anybody. You can all kiss my ass in that respect. That's right-down on all fours and munnnnch awaaaayyyy.

  I outgrew that stuff in my late teens.

  Ya know why I don't hafta prove anything?

I don't have to because I don't go looking for reasons to.

Mebbe that's what it is Rolly, if ya feel ya need to carry a gun around all the time.

Mebbe ya wouldn't need that gun if either ya learned to keep yer yap shut-or learned some more words for when ya forget to.

Who knows? I' just guessin' based on what ya write here. I'll bet I'm not too far off the mark.

If not needing to carry a gun makes me a badass, then so be it. I'm a badass then.

*You* should be able to feel so self-confident..

 Then...go for it...Pup!

I've seen your "bad asses" many times before...many years ago...

I chuckled then...as I chuckle at you now...

With the same breath as I uttered..."Dumbass should'a known better"....

You people put too much faith in TV/Movie drama...

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Ya know...It makes me chuckle when I hear stuff like this. It really does.

That kind of thinking reminds me of the Xtian fundies who can't even begin to comprehend that there are people who don't believe in their god. And of course if they don't, there absolutely must be something wrong with them. Just like the gun nuts.  They can't imagine *anybody* not being afraid of their fellow man and packin' heat. To them-something's wrong with anybody that doesn't.

Rolly, I don't have to be faster than a speeding bullet. I just have to be smarter than the impulsive lout who thinks on a two-minute clock.

  You must be so tired at the end of every day what with having to constantly prove what a tough guy ya are all day long with yer gun.

Of course you are. *Everybody's* a tough guy when they got a gun in their pocket.

My neighbor's six year old daughter would be a force to be reckoned with with her dad's pistol and she doesn't even remotely pretend to be tough.

  I don't have to prove how tough I am to anybody. You can all kiss my ass in that respect. That's right-down on all fours and munnnnch awaaaayyyy.

  I outgrew that stuff in my late teens.

  Ya know why I don't hafta prove anything?

I don't have to because I don't go looking for reasons to.

Mebbe that's what it is Rolly, if ya feel ya need to carry a gun around all the time.

Mebbe ya wouldn't need that gun if either ya learned to keep yer yap shut-or learned some more words for when ya forget to.

Who knows? I' just guessin' based on what ya write here. I'll bet I'm not too far off the mark.

If not needing to carry a gun makes me a badass, then so be it. I'm a badass then.

*You* should be able to feel so self-confident..

My guess is...you NEVER traveled outside of tha'  City (Florence) ...much.

By the fact that you are still alive...

Them Tennessee Boys don't mess around with fools such as you...

Jus' sayin'...

Fact of the matter is when the wolf comes, the sheep will run.  They will run and stampede and for the most part only care for themselves.  The few sheepdogs in the crowd that have taken on the huge responsibility of carrying a firearm will most likely not run with the sheep.  They will face the wolf and fight back.   Now who sounds scared?

BTW pup, cigarettes cause 1 in 5 deaths in the US (440,000 death annually and 50,000 from second hand exposure in the US alone), which is quite a bit more than handguns.  You still smoking the cancer sticks?  I hear smokers smoke because it calms their nerves.  Whatcha so nervous about? 

Me, I rather be shot than die from lung cancer.

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/dat...o_related_mortality/

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Always a silly argument, especially if the alternative is no one is armed -- then many die.  Odds are of several are armed, then more will be available to take out the criminal.

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And up the odds of even more innocent people being killed in the crossfire. Not to mention the confusion the police will have trying to figure out who the real bad guy is. 

Why are those things not of more importance to some of you? I will say again that I support the 2nd Amendment, and I own a gun that I ccw from time to time. Yet I completely understand the danger of so many people walking around on a daily basis with guns strapped to their side just waiting on a chance to use it. The majority are not trained to use it in a mass shooting type scenario. Which is the argument that is used to support their carrying of the weapon at all times to all places. 

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So smoke a bullet then, Hoob.

Seriously. Go be 'an hero' somewheres.

I dunno....You tell me who sounds scared. Lotta sheepdogs get kilt when that wolf opens up sometimes. Look 'em up. They're not invincible, either.

I don't smoke to calm my nerves. Like most guys I started smoking in my teens and got hooked. Now the only thing that gets on my nerves is running outta cigs.

I make my own though, so it's not so big an issue anymore-and way cheaper than store bought.

I would say you're just huffing and puffing, but I doubt you have the lung capacity for it.  If CC'ers fear, then smokers suffer from a nervous disorder.  I said it and believe it, so it must be true.

Can you deny where gun ownership is up, crime is down?  Can you deny that people with CCP's are much less likely to commit crimes?  Can you deny that the same law in effect today is practically the same as the last 4 decades and none of the wild west theories have materialized?

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Unlike the old Soviet Union, the US has no internal passports.  There are 50 states with varying laws.  Sure someone so afraid of the presence of arms should head to California, NY state, Massachusetts, Chicago, or DC. Just get in you car and go. Or, Delta is ready when you are. 

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Heheh. Ya just keep on proving my point, Rolly.

You keep talkin'-I'll keep handin' ya more rope.

Are you so hammered that you aren't keeping track of the stuff YOU say-nevermind what I say. LOL!

I've got quite a few friends in Tennessee and many other states. And in a coupla other countries I've been to, also.

Ain't afraid of people from there, either.

See? It's like I keep saying. It must suck to be afraid of pretty much *everybody* as you seem to be. 

I think you insult "Tennessee Boys" when you compare them to the good hill folks. I've never had a problem or a worry about any of them. Got along great with the folks in the West Virginia mountains when I lived there, too. Just as well as I got along with Canadians, Germans, Belgians, Italians and Australians.

People tend to like ya when yer not a jerk.

Judging by the way you compare Tennessee people to the hill folk characters from "Deliverance", I'd say it's YOU who puts too much faith in TV/Movie drama.

You GO boyyyyy...

Hahahahaaaaaaaa!

I post...YOU BITE!

Should I "reel you in" yet???

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OK....That's called 'magical thinking.' Most kids outgrow that by age 7 or so.

 NOW ya just sound like that butt-monkey Bill Gray...

NEVER go full retard.

"I would say you're just huffing and puffing, but I doubt you have the lung capacity for it."

Really? That's not what yer.....Ah, nevermind...

Oh I coulda just ran a country mile with that whole 'lung capacity' thing, but in all honesty it wouldn't be fair to ya if I did. 

"Magical Thinking" is more inline with saying ..."surprise beats a gun every time"  

Hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

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Oh I'm sorry, Rolly!

I thought you realized how a forum works.

My bad.

Mebbe next time I'll bring some line drawings explaining the process that you can color in while the grown folks are talking.

  Don't bother...I quit using "paint-by-numbers" years ago...

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Well, it does. Prove me wrong, smart guy.

"Surprise" me on a dark street...

I'll PROVE you wrong...intelligent guy...

I'm always..."sceered"

But, I wouldn't enjoy it...

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Ah. Learned to stay in the lines, didya?

Gun p o r n...

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LOL!

I think you just fell outside the topic of the moment.

Please pay attention.

Your "sticks" will not break my bones...

UnKay?

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You dragged this outside the topic, slick.

Pay attention yerself.

You threw the first stick and it's obvious that yer not real good at throwin' 'em back.

Pfffttt. Silly. You ain't got any bones....

And if I were to apologize to you?

Would THAT make you puff up and feel all superior?

 The "Carrot" speaks...again.

Question for Captain.

We both agree with protecting the 2nd amendment. What I am wondering is why do we split when it comes to guns being present in public? I guess what I am saying is this. It is one thing to rightfully own guns for your protection, but it seems like a different argument to want to have them in every aspect of life. 

Guns serve a purpose. We have the right to own them. Do we not have a moral obligation to control the use and impact they can have on our society? 

I had a talk with my 4 year old grandson a few months back about being in a situation where someone starts shooting. I told him to run if he could, hide if he couldn't run. He was visiting me last week and we were in downtown Florence and he saw a man in a store with a gun strapped to his side, not concealed. He started pulling me and I said what is wrong and he said "We have to run, before he shoots us"  He was terrified. The problem it presented me was trying to figure out a way of telling him when to be afraid and when not to. I couldn't think of any good way of doing that, because I would rather him run away before someone starts shooting than to wait and find out if they are up to no good or not. 

I never faced this issue with my children, they are all in their 20's now. I can't remember seeing one person in a store (other than police) with a gun on their hip. Today children have to somehow live in a society where the only way they are going to know when to run is when the bullets start flying and hope they don't get hit in the crossfire.

Why? 

Quote from 'pup: "The majority are not trained to use it in a mass shooting type scenario."

But some of us ARE.