Message I sent to EH

That's the way the buddy buddy system works here. Sounds racial. You may need to check it out further with the Superiors but they are probably the same. Go figure. Good luck and do not give up with posting your comments. We look forward to your posting. A Winner never quits and a Quitter never wins.

there was one that posted every post about someone, he attacked them everyday in every post, from the first report i made of this person, he was allowed to continue to post for 3 months. when this gets suspended then i will discontinue the use of any timesdaily owned things. I know of at least 4 other people that reported this person also, but was allowed to post. dont understand, but dont care now.

longarmofthelaw ,
I was one of those people that reported him .
EH told me she wasnt getting the reports ? lol whatever .
She has banned me before to for making fun of obama ,,so that tells me she is voting for him and you cant say anything about him ,but yet you can dis all you want to on mccain , how fair is that for a mod ?
And now lets talk about all those that get by with cussing on here ,I see it daily ,,you think the mod cares ? Nope ,its been reported too but they keep on doing it .
You would think they " Big Wheels " at times daily would get wind of this and replace her as mod , or at least give her some schooling on how to do her job .

If your post isn't against the Member Agreement -- not just the few little "tidbits" posted on the front page -- then you have standing to go over Mods head and appeal without any question.

EH has shown she is arbitrary in that she sent all those "PMs" and then the next person that posted was GoFish and she didn't suspend him. I like GoFish, we disagree, but he does crack me up sometimes on here. My point was he is one of the resident "Atheists" and since his post was on the new Religion section -- I knew she wouldn't suspend him...Whether she is an atheist or not is not my business nor my concern, but she made the blatant defined threat -- no "accidentals" allowed by her actual post -- but then doesn't even stand behind her own words...instead, she backed off her threat and "redefined it".

Several months back we reported one of the "trolls" that EH, herself, banned -- and when this person came back several times with new identities -- SHE MADE US PROVE -- instead of her actually doing her job and looking into the posts -- that this was the banned person...

Several of us have told her privately and on the public side that EVE software will do many things -- she said one time that "our software won't" and I told her that they needed to invest the money into the other options if they weren't because that was no excuse...again, we've told her there are ways to set the parameters and NOW she decides to look into it instead of putting it off on the members to control their postings...she won't even tell people to remember teh MA and stop cursing when they work around the filters -- she lets certain posters post whatever they want -- one particular one that does pick fights and make attacks and gets quite ugly on here -- and she lets it go...I think she is scared of her personally, I would be...heaven knows what she could do her...

It is still EH's job to do her job and and moderate -- not dictate -- but moderate the forums...If she would be even handed with her approach and keep it equal and not show favoritism on here I'd have a little respect for her authority...and if she can suspend me because I'm speaking my 1st amendment right to my opinion about her -- then she definitely has too much control...

very well said dixie

I agree 2 each ,,Dixie and Manda are my 2 fav's on here that can say it so well ,,
I love to see them get at the meat of the problem .
times daily would do well having Dixie or Manda mod here , at least they have proven time and time again that they have the judging ability to do the job .
Even when Manda and I bumped heads ,she was more than fair with me and gave me the chance to do the right thing ,even though I didnt listen to her at the time ,,she was right and I was wrong ,but she "stayed" fair with me through it all . Thank you Manda ,,like I said you or Dixie would be great mods here .

I am still smarting over the fact that I have Type 2 diabetes and I cannot tell you I take gluco****e. Go figure!

I used to take that stuff too earthmomma...I know you don't mean it to call me names...unless you do...then we'd have a battle royale going on on here... Funny that they'd rather eliminate the good words instead of just suspending people for using bad words...if they'd nip that in the bud filters would be a non-issue...

Earth, I found that out the hard way. So funny.
I just use metformin, no problems.

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Originally posted by earthmomma:
I am still smarting over the fact that I have Type 2 diabetes and I cannot tell you I take gluco****e. Go figure!

LOL

I used this word - pr1ckly - and had to substitute a 1 for the i. Funny.

writeon, I hate it you are having to deal with yet another problem that makes no sense. I'm usually a staunch supporter of TD, but in this case and considering what you've been dealing with for months, I wouldn't blame you if you never posted here again.

maybe the TD knows what goes on behind closed doors..aka...pm's...maybe they have the inside skoop of what's really going on...whose breaking the rules and who is bashing whom.
The forum belongs to TD and they have the right to do what they want.
You people on here act like you own THEM and can boss them around for the privilege of FREE posting...come on!

Well, I see that writeon has also been suspended.

It's just a forum people, not life or death. Give us a break.

Monette, I hope we can all take yankeewitch's advice (was her tag line, may still be) & "let's all play nice". I apologize you and every other member of the forums for commenting on this at all as it's something you all are big enough to handle without my involvement.

I had the rest of the bunch on ignore with the exception of your "Monette" screen name and UC, which is how I allowed myself to get sucked into this again. As long as everyone takes personal stuff to PMs where they belong, we're cool as far as I'm concerned. If not, I'm just utilizing the ignore feature & going on my merry way.

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Originally posted by Monette:
maybe the TD knows what goes on behind closed doors..aka...pm's...maybe they have the inside skoop of what's really going on...whose breaking the rules and who is bashing whom.
The forum belongs to TD and they have the right to do what they want.
You people on here act like you own THEM and can boss them around for the privilege of FREE posting...come on!

According to EH -- they do not monitor or have access to PM's unless you "report them" to her -- at least that was what she said back a long time ago. So if she is perusing people's PMs and violating their privacy without permission -- that is a whole other issue, but I don't think that is the case here.

No one is trying to boss anyone -- we (those that have been here for a couple of years and been through some great and some bad MODS) just expect everyone to get treated equally and for them to treat us like adults -- educate us when we do something wrong -- instead of sending out mass PM's threatening suspension for something that obviously with more than one person was doing which means it is a program problem not a personal problem most of the time...They didn't look before they leaped in my opinion...

I'm not sure what is going on in PM's or what "backstory" is obviously going on with some posters, but I took offense to EH's handling of the distortion situation and seeming to ignore the actual problem posters on the forum...I agree with JOy -- ya'll can handle your issue however you see fit...I'm just asking for consistency from the mods...

That's certainly not too much to ask, Dixie.

i reported that person a lot too and it still went on. Thing is he/she is probably back under a different name.

The guidelines need to be better spelled out. And everyone, unless they threaten bodily harm, should be allowed at least one warning.

Fox -- Phoenix Rising just returned from being banned and said the MODs claimed they had "warned him several times for racial comments" and he continued -- he said he never got those warnings...The MODs have even claimed they haven't gotten our PMs and our REPORTS about offensive posts -- I agree and would say it should be more than just a "PM warning" -- those warnings should be able to be traced as to whether they were read or not and even go so far as to notify the person via their personal email addy that they signed up with to make sure all bases are covered ...

The best way to get someone banned is to constantly report thier posts. If the mods think someone is causing trouble because they have been reported over and over, the mods will kick them off. No warning. This happens all the time on here.

Jetboy was reported hundreds of times by numerous posters and was still allowed to troll around and cause trouble. It seems the mods have their favorites and allow them to continue doing what they want
and say they didn't get the reports I don't know if jetboy has finally been banned or not but if he did it sure took them long enough to give him the boot. and good riddens to him

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Originally posted by 2_each_its_own:
I don't know if jetboy has finally been banned or not but if he did it sure took them long enough to give him the boot. and good riddens to him

I agree, this forum is much nicer with that homophobe gone. As Bette Davis would say, "Good riddance to bad rubbish!"

When I was banned ,the mod told me it was after "MANY WARNINGS" I never got the first warning from her about that issue .

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Originally posted by David L.:

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Originally posted by 2_each_its_own:
I don't know if jetboy has finally been banned or not but if he did it sure took them long enough to give him the boot. and good riddens to him

I agree, this forum is much nicer with that homophobe gone. As Bette Davis would say, "Good riddance to bad rubbish!"

..........AGREED!!!!

T,,,,,politics make strange bedfellows...

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Originally posted by hott moma:
i reported that person a lot too and it still went on. Thing is he/she is probably back under a different name.

Possibly, but if it is, it got tired of following me around telling me what a bad Christian I am for not hating people because of their choices in life - maybe found greener pastures?

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Originally posted by tnt5862:
I agree 2 each ,,Dixie and Manda are my 2 fav's on here that can say it so well ,,
I love to see them get at the meat of the problem .
times daily would do well having Dixie or Manda mod here , at least they have proven time and time again that they have the judging ability to do the job .
Even when Manda and I bumped heads ,she was more than fair with me and gave me the chance to do the right thing ,even though I didnt listen to her at the time ,,she was right and I was wrong ,but she "stayed" fair with me through it all . Thank you Manda ,,like I said you or Dixie would be great mods here .

You're welcome, TNT. And thank you as well for the idea. However, I don't think I'd want the responsibility of moderating here anymore. This site is falling, and falling fast.

It does, though, mean a whole lot to me that you said this. I did and have always tried to be fair and openminded, even if it's a personal criticism or not. For the record, I don't think I ever disliked you, and if I did- I don't remember it now, so it doesn't matter,now. It's water under the bridge, my friend.

Hope you are all doing well. I thought I was suspended there for a minute. I got an error, that said I didn't pass security or some stuff like that. Weird.

Someone, PLEASE PM me the name to the newer forum. I thought I saved it to favorites, but alas, I guess I didn't. I'm lost now and forced to here. xD

~Amanda

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Originally posted by DixieChik:
Fox -- Phoenix Rising just returned from being banned and said the MODs claimed they had "warned him several times for racial comments" and he continued -- he said he never got those warnings...The MODs have even claimed they haven't gotten our PMs and our REPORTS about offensive posts -- I agree and would say it should be more than just a "PM warning" -- those warnings should be able to be traced as to whether they were read or not and even go so far as to notify the person via their personal email addy that they signed up with to make sure all bases are covered ...

DEFINITELY agree with this!

They SHOULD document things. And have the documentation, on some sort of timeline. For instance, on the site I admin. We have a system of warn, wack, suspend, and ban.......

We warn 3-5 times, sometimes (especially if it's silly nitpicking) we just tell people to be nice to one another, and maybe outline where they are going wrong. If it continues we send an actual warn to them. Outlining what was done, and why they recieved such a warning.

If they continue to violate, after the 3-5 (depending on severity here of course) we will wack their account. Wacking means they get a time out for the day. Like a suspension but not quite. It's to send a message that the person needs to act respectfully. If the continue. They then have been given every chance, they get a suspension up to a week in time. If they come back, and still are heckbent on causing trouble, they are THEN Banned.

Depending soly on the situation- the ban can be up to 3 months or permanent. We also have a system that you cannot join but with one account. There is no more making a new account for us. You get banned, you don't get to log in on another account on our site. *NOTE* The site I help with IS NOT affiliated with EVE or Times daily in any way whatsoever.

Each situation, the moderating and mediating is considered. Before we outright ban people, we try to give them every oppurtunity. We don't threaten or talk down to our members. We don't like to ban people- or warn them unless necessary because all people have a bad day somedays, and sometimes, unfortunately it's taken out on someone else. Online this happens frequently. On the site I help with, We work hard on a voluntary basis to make sure that it is enjoyable for all, as equal as possible and to help make it an enlightening, nice place to be.


HERE on the TD- I have Never seen any mod try to do any of the above, or have any structure to their punishment system. YES! It's easier to do nothing at all and let things run their course, but sometimes, people do need the structure in order for things to be smoother.

Without it, you have what you are seeing now. Someone that has taken their position and handled it in not the best ways. I don't know if it's pure laziness, or just that there has been no guidance whatsoever or training involved in communication. It sucks.

I used to love to chat here. Now, I dread even signing in. That's a shame to me.

However, there are many great people here, that if I don't chat with much anymore (if they aren't on the newer forum that is), then thank you for impacting my life in small or large ways. I wish you all well.

~Amanda

Manda ,I was only telling the turth ,,you was very fair with me .
Glad its water under the bridge .lol dont you know the news ones here are wondering what happen ? lol

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nd then the next person that posted was GoFish and she didn't suspend him.

I think you are referring to the "rainbow" picture I posted that clearly violated the admonishment that there would be no tolerance for great big pics that pushed the ads off the page (or something like that).

I immediately tried to remove the pic but could not. I apologized for posting my, er, large one.

I admitted, repented and was obviously forgiven by powers greater than I. Isn't that how it's s'posed to work?

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Originally posted by GoFish:

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nd then the next person that posted was GoFish and she didn't suspend him.

I think you are referring to the "rainbow" picture I posted that clearly violated the admonishment that there would be no tolerance for great big pics that pushed the ads off the page (or something like that).

I immediately tried to remove the pic but could not. I apologized for posting my, er, large one.

I admitted, repented and was obviously forgiven by powers greater than I. Isn't that how it's s'posed to work?

No, actually GoFish, according to the "powers that be"'s own threat and hard line in the sand that clearly stated if you do it -- there was no "intentional or unintentional" statement in her original threat. Plus, GoFish, I was able to quote you and see my buttons to the right side on my computer -- as were others-- so I don't understand why you couldn't edit your post.

Like I said, I really didn't care that you posted the uber large pic -- I love rainbows, but she shouldn't have suspended some and not you or even threated anyone at all if she wasn't going to hold you accountable as well.

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ot you or even threated anyone at all if she wasn't going to hold you accountable as well.

I think perhaps she realized the such a blanket "zero tolerance" was quite unfair - as most zero tolerance policies are.

I have received my share of admonishments from the mods (in fact, I have had 2 out of 3 strikes before I am banned). So, you accusations that EH is siding with me because she is an atheist is simply without evidence. She might be but probably isn't (statistically speaking). I think she is simply capable of listening to reason.

In my case, the "edit button" was pushed off the frame of the page. There was no way to scroll right to see it. Yes, all the other posts displayed normally but I could not delete then re-post the pic.

For the record, the pic was so large that only half the pic was displayed. Here is the whole thing (crossing fingers that I have re-sized it properly!)

And again, GoFish -- that is what you saw. I however, was able to see the enitre picture and able to scroll my screen to the righ and left and up and down -- so I understand, it was unintentional. And you made the point that we are all calling EH out for..."don't make a blanket statement if you aren't willing to back it up." She left no room and still made no apologies -- just tried to make out like we were the ignorant ones for not "reading into her post" what her "true intention" really was...She opened herself up to the scrutiny and the backlash and unfortunately you got caught in the net...(pun intended) Like I said, I didn't want to see you gone -- except for the fact that I wanted EH to do what she said she would do -- back up her own posts -- hold herself as accountable as she holds us...she failed that test ... a test that she wrote for herself...All she had to say was "I"m sorry, I should have taken accidents into account" or "I should have re-worded my request and not demanded" -- no, she took a hardline and then tried to make us be the problem again...as usual...it is all us and not her in her eyes...

Dixie, she did do that. When I explained that I had done exactly what GoFish did, she said that this was not what she was referring to, but it was the intentional distortion that she removed right after the changes (right half of screen being ads).

I'll bring that thread & posts to the top.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Dixie, she did do that. When I explained that I had done exactly what GoFish did, she said that this was not what she was referring to, but it was the intentional distortion that she removed right after the changes (right half of screen being ads).

I'll bring that thread & posts to the top.

And I realize that Joy...but she made a blanket statement with no room for a margin of error and the way she corrected herself leaves the issue of harshness and being unflexible on something that is supposed to be entertainment and fun...I just think she should have handled it differently...In the posts you quoted on the other thread -- she made out like we should have known the difference between what was "intentional" and what was not...she made it be our issue to fix and not hers...I see your points and they are taken, but she could have addressed the issue much differently with a better outcome...

HAs anyone noticed that the forum is BIGGER today -- with a bigger font???? The ads are smaller and less intrusive?

True. Admittedly, the "we will not tolerate" message was a bit on the strong side.

I'd personally rather not see ANY ads running down the side of my page. I don't like it at all. Being stubborn by nature, I refuse to read them.

the EH sounds like a big baby to me. its a forum. a place where you can voice your opinion. as long as its in a civilized manner where you're not using profanity and not cutting anybody down to the quick, then what is it hurting?