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Why do Christian "therapists" still think they can turn g-a-y people straight? It's clearly a harmful practice.

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/...ic/story?id=14048691

 

A former patient who sought help from the Christian counseling clinic owned by GOP presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann and her husband, Marcus, told ABC News he was advised that prayer could rid him of his homosexual urges and he could eventually be "re-oriented."

"[One counselor's] path for my therapy would be to read the Bible, pray to God that I would no longer be ***," said Andrew Ramirez, who was 17-years-old at the time he sought help from Bachmann & Associates in suburban Minneapolis in 2004. "And God would forgive me if I were straight."

In the past, Marcus Bachmann has disputed the clinic has treated *** patients this way. But Ramirez's account, which was first reported by The Nation, is similar to the counseling session that appears on new undercover video shot by a *** rights advocacy group last month. That footage shows another counselor at the Bachmann clinic telling a *** man posing as a patient that, with prayer and effort, he could eventually learn to be attracted to women and rid himself of his *** urges.

The disclosures have provided fresh insight into what Michele Bachmann has called her family business -- the primary source of income for her family as she left her law practice to move into politics. The counseling center has factored into Bachmann's campaign narrative, as well -- evidence, she said, of her ability to understand what it takes to create jobs and run a small business....

The controversial practice of trying to change someone's sexual orientation was roundly discredited by the American Psychological Association in 2009 as ineffective and potentially harmful. The first-hand accounts and video evidence surfacing Monday have rekindled questions about the Bachmann family business.

Clinton Anderson, who heads the association's Office on *******, ***, Bisexual, and Transgender Concerns, told ABC News that his organization did an exhaustive review and found no evidence that efforts to convert someone from *** to straight could succeed.

"The harm is that when people are already in distress, and feeling conflict about their religion and their sexuality, to tell them they can change if they work hard enough, when in fact they can't do that … just makes their distress and their shame -- their depression -- even worse," Anderson said.

Marcus Bachmann describes a gentle approach to counseling on his website, saying he believes "my call is to minister to the needs of people in a practical, caring and sensitive way." In a talk radio interview, however, he does not deny a tougher approach when it comes to dealing with behavior considered to be sinful.

"We have to understand, barbarians need to be educated," he said during a 2010 appearance on the program Point of View....

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Oh, and the clinic received Medicaid funds.  What a hypocrite.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-funds_n_887107.html

 

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Republican presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann is deflecting questions about federally subsidized health dollars that have flowed to her husband's mental health clinic.

As the tea party hero tours the nation attacking the size of federal government, the Minnesota congresswoman has come under heightened scrutiny over public dollars flowing to family business interests. That includes $137,000 that Bachmann and Associates has received for treating patients in Medicaid-backed programs.

Bachmann press secretary Alice Stewart issued a statement Wednesday contending that it "would be discriminatory" for the clinic to turn away Medicaid patients. She says Marcus Bachmann's business has the responsibility to provide the care "regardless of a patient's financial situation."

 

Knowing how Medicaid works, if you accept the patient, you have to accept the payment.  They can just turn them all down, I guess. Since it pays  about 65 cents on the dollar up to the allowable amount that is always less then charges, that $137,000 would have been for a LOT of patients.

 

 

http://www.workworld.org/wwweb...ent_for_services.htm
Providers participating in Medicaid must accept Medicaid payment rates as payment in full.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Have you seen her husband? Looks like he could use some praying. The smokescreen about Medicare payments has nothing to do about her "treatments" for homosexuals and her lies about it.

MEDICAID.  Keep up jimi. No smokescreen. If people go there for treatment, it's their choice.

@ b50m - the Government pays for teh 'treatment' because the clinic lies about what it does

 

No, the government pays because they have a contract to do so. The place has passed all inspections and it not doing anything illegal. You may not like what it does, but it is not illegal.

 

BTW, Alcoholics Anonymous also has prayer in their twelve steps. Should they be criticized as well?

Last edited by b50m

Not that I know of.  So the problem with this is a  clinic that says it uses prayer as part of it's therapy  accepting Medicaid patients which by law means the government must pay for their treatment if the clinic is accepted into the program.

 

As long as the clinic can show that it also uses conventional treatment, which it does, then the payments can be said to cover the conventional sessions, medication, etc.

 

Since the state and federal governments accept the clinic into their programs, I don't see a problem with it.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
When they lie, they lie. That you can't tell the difference is a reflection on your reasoning ability, not my objectivity, which is absolute. It is not you fault that you are an idiot. You just are.

Yet another perfect example of the CHILDISH behavior YOU continually display. When you have NO FACTS to present, you resort to name calling.

BE VERY CAREFUL RETHUGLITEACONS:

You may have another Larry Craig or Ted Haggart in Dr. Marcus Bachmann!!!!!!!!

 

To qoute the GREAT Jon Stewart on last night's Daily Show:

"He calls the movie TOP GUN, that volley ball movie"

OR the GREAT Jerry Seinfeld:

"He buys Brawny paper towels for the packaging"

 

RETHUGLITEACON HYPOCRISY:  YOU GOTTA LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

PRAY AWAY MICHELE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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