Miss (PC)USA

Good for Miss California. For those who has a sexual deviancy and want to be live a normal life - sorry!

You have the same rights under the law as anyone else, namely to marry someone of the opposite sex. Anything else you can call what you like but you're just playing house.

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Originally posted by SardonicPoet:
As if the pageant hadn't already lost the lion's share of its credibility by moving closer and closer to the reality show format:

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I love this part from whoever Perez Hilton is:

"I haven't said this before, but to her credit, I applaud her for her honesty. However, she is not a politician, she's a hopeful Miss USA. Miss USA should represent everyone."

So the man admits it was a politically charged question asked to the California contestant; maybe, just maybe, because of Prop 8?

And credits her for honesty and then says that she should only have opinions that make everyone happy?

Is there a site we can go to and show our support for that courageous young woman? I'm sure she'll be called every name in the book by commie-libs (it's already started) so she needs to know she's not alone. As for perez, it's pretty obvious the gossip "queen" is a homosexual.

Miss Prejean is not only the quintessential blond California goddess, but brave as well.

Wait a minute, Perez said she is not a politician and should have answered in a way that pleases everyone? She was simply answering the question that goofball asked in the first place. If he doesn't want to get an answer he doesn't like, then don't ask.

This is a great example of how intolerant the homosexual/Hollywood community is.

Perez, calling her a stupid biatch, destroyed any credibility he might have as a judge.

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Originally posted by SardonicPoet:
As if the pageant hadn't already lost the lion's share of its credibility by moving closer and closer to the reality show format:

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I love this part from whoever Perez Hilton is:

"I haven't said this before, but to her credit, I applaud her for her honesty. However, she is not a politician, she's a hopeful Miss USA. Miss USA should represent everyone."

So the man admits it was a politically charged question asked to the California contestant; maybe, just maybe, because of Prop 8?

And credits her for honesty and then says that she should only have opinions that make everyone happy?

There is no doubt, in my mind, that her stance and answer cost her the competition. She was, in my opinion, the winner or should have been. Perez was no doubt biased in his vote and her honesty cost her the pageant. Perez should no more be a judge in any future pageant or any event. Had this happened to a person that voiced approval of Gay Marriage and people thought that her position cost her the pageant then there would be hints of lawsuits and protest.

Just look at the level of protest of a constitutional vote against same sex marriage. It lost in a vote of the people yet the proponents of Gay Marriage are seeking to overturn a constitutional vote with judicial action against the expressed will of the majority of voters. A truly sad day.

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Originally posted by Ron Pheixising:
Good for Miss California. For those who has a sexual deviancy and want to be live a normal life - sorry!

You have the same rights under the law as anyone else, namely to marry someone of the opposite sex. Anything else you can call what you like but you're just playing house.

And who do all of the people who are intersexed get to marry since they match neither of the traditional genders? Or how about transgender people?

The arguments simply don't hold up to reality and sexual orientation doesn't even have to enter the picture.

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Originally posted by gbrk:

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Originally posted by SardonicPoet:
As if the pageant hadn't already lost the lion's share of its credibility by moving closer and closer to the reality show format:

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I love this part from whoever Perez Hilton is:

"I haven't said this before, but to her credit, I applaud her for her honesty. However, she is not a politician, she's a hopeful Miss USA. Miss USA should represent everyone."

So the man admits it was a politically charged question asked to the California contestant; maybe, just maybe, because of Prop 8?

And credits her for honesty and then says that she should only have opinions that make everyone happy?

There is no doubt, in my mind, that her stance and answer cost her the competition. She was, in my opinion, the winner or should have been. Perez was no doubt biased in his vote and her honesty cost her the pageant. Perez should no more be a judge in any future pageant or any event. Had this happened to a person that voiced approval of Gay Marriage and people thought that her position cost her the pageant then there would be hints of lawsuits and protest.

Just look at the level of protest of a constitutional vote against same sex marriage. It lost in a vote of the people yet the proponents of Gay Marriage are seeking to overturn a constitutional vote with judicial action against the expressed will of the majority of voters. A truly sad day.

That's what you get when you have male homosexuals judging a women's beauty pageant.

Listen to the level of applause she received after her answer. I love our southern girls, however, Miss Prejean is drop dead gorgeous.

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Originally posted by gbrk:
Just look at the level of protest of a constitutional vote against same sex marriage. It lost in a vote of the people yet the proponents of Gay Marriage are seeking to overturn a constitutional vote with judicial action against the expressed will of the majority of voters. A truly sad day.

Prop 8 was passed by approx 36% of eligible voters. That's a minority of voters, not a majority. The fact that CA (and AL too) allow constitutional amendments by a simple majority of cast ballots is a farce regardless of the amendment subject matter.

Thank God the US constitution cannot be changed so easily.

The intersexed one from Khartoum
Took a transgender into a room
They argued all night
About who had the right
To do what, with what, to whom

Logical:

Proposition 8 passed. Period.

If it had not, would the conservative community be filing lawsuits, paying millions in political advertisements, continuing to argue, and try to gain the support of activist judges?

They care nothing about the "will of the people". Only their own narrow interests.

Prop 8 was passed by a majority of voters who showed up. Most of a battle, is just showing up!

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Originally posted by logical:

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Originally posted by gbrk:
Just look at the level of protest of a constitutional vote against same sex marriage. It lost in a vote of the people yet the proponents of Gay Marriage are seeking to overturn a constitutional vote with judicial action against the expressed will of the majority of voters. A truly sad day.

Prop 8 was passed by approx 36% of eligible voters. That's a minority of voters, not a majority. The fact that CA (and AL too) allow constitutional amendments by a simple majority of cast ballots is a farce regardless of the amendment subject matter.

Thank God the US constitution cannot be changed so easily.

I guess with that same logic, Obama didn't win the majority either.....that has always been the problem in this country, Eligible voters do not go to the polls to exercise their rights. Maybe we can go to the courts to have Obama removed since not all voters showed up to vote.

I say if you don't vote at the polls, you voted by saying whatever the next guy wanted is fine with me. If you don't like the way the vote went, live with it.

After reading further, not only is pezez a homosexual but so is keith lewis, Co-Executive Director of the Miss California USA. pezez said that lewis was "personally saddened and hurt." Can you imagine the uproar if one of the contestants had lost because they SUPPORTED homosexual marriage? Homosexuals and their supporters would be trying to string up the judges! I wish a good Conservative lawyer would contact Ms Prejean about suing the whole bunch for punishing her for exercising her freedom of speech. The perpetrator has already admitted his guilt. Even if she doesn't win it would send a message to the homosexual lobby that there are consequences to their actions.

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
Logical:

Proposition 8 passed. Period.

Yes, it did, and I believe it did so legally. I think the lawsuits are against it are unfounded. I fully expect it to be upheld. I wonder mostly how the Court will rule on the existing marriages. Prop was pretty clear. I can't see how they can rule that the existing marriages can be recognized.

However, 36% will never be "the will of the people" and it is a lie to say so. If the result had been reversed, it still wouldn't have been. The process is broken.

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If it had not, would the conservative community be filing lawsuits, paying millions in political advertisements, continuing to argue, and try to gain the support of activist judges?

They care nothing about the "will of the people". Only their own narrow interests.

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Originally posted by Schnauzer1:
I guess with that same logic, Obama didn't win the majority either.....that has always been the problem in this country, Eligible voters do not go to the polls to exercise their rights. Maybe we can go to the courts to have Obama removed since not all voters showed up to vote.

I say if you don't vote at the polls, you voted by saying whatever the next guy wanted is fine with me. If you don't like the way the vote went, live with it.

While that is true, a single political office is a bit different in scale than a constitution.

As for the non voting, I think it should work like the US constitution. A non vote is the same as a No vote. If you can't get 3/4 of all states to vote Yes, it fails.

To change something as fundamental to government
as a constitution should be HARD.

Then if the Vote was to approve gay marriage, and only 36% of the registered voters turned out and voted yes, you are saying that it should be defeated simply because 64% didn't vote so their votes were "NO"

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Originally posted by kperk:
I wish a good Conservative lawyer would contact Ms Prejean about suing the whole bunch for punishing her for exercising her freedom of speech.

It seems the general public does not understand that private entities can stiffle free speech all day long. The First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech and expression only protects against State action. No one has done her wrong.

"As for the non voting, I think it should work like the US constitution. A non vote is the same as a No vote. If you can't get 3/4 of all states to vote Yes, it fails."

I see that you subscribe to the Obama school of voting. Many times, he did show up, but only voted present! Only if one makes the effort, should his vote be counted!

"It seems the general public does not understand that private entities can stiffle free speech all day long. The First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech and expression only protects against State action. No one has done her wrong."

As the Miss USA pageant used broadcast media, which is free public access, I suspect a law form could have a field day with the case!

I see that Perez Hilton withdrew his "dumb b**ch word and substituted the C*** word! Feminists and women, in general, should dump on him like a flock of full seagulls on the beach!

However, since the feminist movement is now solely involved with left wing career womyn, don't hold your breath!

perez is a Jerk and I just told him so on his website . lol Plus alot more .
Then I went to Donald Trumps site and left a comment alone with the 1000's of other with people not wanting perez to ever be able to judge again .
He is such a jerk and fool . I ask him would he post a blog when he gets aids ,but that part didnt get posted lmao

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Spit it out perez ,then maybe you can speak .

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Here is the problem, regardless of where you stand on the issue, does Miss California not have the right to her own opinion? Why should she lose the competition because of her personal view of an issue?

She was asked a loaded question and very bravely spoke her mind. There was quite a bit of agreement from the audience, so she wasn't alone in her view.

It's simply another example of the tolerant left unable to handle a differing point of view.

In truth, I fear for the woman's safety. The left knows no bounds in its hatred.

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
The intersexed one from Khartoum
Took a transgender into a room
They argued all night
About who had the right
To do what, with what, to whom

LOL, Zip.

The dear lady will no doubt be more popular at speaking events than the winner. Let's hope she is kept safe.

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Originally posted by NashBama:
Here is the problem, regardless of where you stand on the issue, does Miss California not have the right to her own opinion? Why should she lose the competition because of her personal view of an issue?

She was asked a loaded question and very bravely spoke her mind. There was quite a bit of agreement from the audience, so she wasn't alone in her view.

It's simply another example of the tolerant left unable to handle a differing point of view.

I agree with you on this. While I don't like her answer and I'm glad she didn't win, I think Perez is being just as judgemental as she is.

Didn't she say her sister was a gay activist?

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Originally posted by LMM:

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
The intersexed one from Khartoum
Took a transgender into a room
They argued all night
About who had the right
To do what, with what, to whom

LOL, Zip.

The dear lady will no doubt be more popular at speaking events than the winner. Let's hope she is kept safe.

Maybe at Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson conventions.

Defining marriage as being between one man and one woman does not define someone as a hater of homosexuals. Except to the leftards.

The anti-prop 8 crowd here called it "Proposition H8", which was a purely emotional appeal saying that, "if you support proposition 8 you're a hater!" Which is truly an idiotic leap of logic similar to the "pro-choice" and "pro-life" labels. Because one has or advocates for abortion, does that mean they are "pro death"?

The left would have everyone believe that the only reason a conservative person would stand against one of their pet causes is because they are either racist, homophobic (which is stupid; more in a second), or otherwise flawed. I would be more than happy for gay men and women to civilly join one another in a non-religious fashion, and have all the rights, privileges, and obligations of marriage. All except for the word, "marriage".

Perhaps moral equivalency should require me to put those who are in favor of "gay marriage" in the same category as pedophiles and practitioners of bestiality; as you have put this young woman into the same category as the morally reprehensible Phred Phelps. I don't believe it, of course. However, I will stand firm for traditional values.

And "homophobic" implies fear. I do not fear homosexuals; I'm just glad I'm not one. I enjoy the company of women far too much. However, as Jerry Seinfeld said, if you are careful about your homosexual partners you can immediately double your wardrobe.

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Originally posted by David L.:

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Originally posted by LMM:

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
The intersexed one from Khartoum
Took a transgender into a room
They argued all night
About who had the right
To do what, with what, to whom

LOL, Zip.

The dear lady will no doubt be more popular at speaking events than the winner. Let's hope she is kept safe.

Maybe at Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson conventions.

David, her honesty is what will help her get the interviews. Yes, she disagreed with the proper 'beauty pageant protocol' and said what she believed. That does not mean that she is a person biased against homosexuality. I feel that a civil union, with all the same benefits, would serve the same purpose as a marriage. I also believe the term 'marriage' should be for a man and woman. Its just how I look at it.

Gays already have all the rights they need.No ones keeping them from getting married,they can always marry someone of th opposite sex.They are not wanting equal tights;they are wanting special rights.

I just want to go on record that I don't hate anyone because they are gay. Not to sound like a cliche, but I have had friends who were gay that I thought very highly of.

The issue of gay marriage should be strictly a state decision. The citizens of each state should (and do) have the right to decide whether they want to allow it or not allow it. The problem I have with it is that it starts a slippery slope. What if three guys wanted to get married? What if a mormon wanted to marry his inter-sexed cousin and transgendered nephew? They are all consenting adults, so what is stopping them?

We have to draw a line somewhere, so draw it with what is culturally acceptable. Marriage outside of one man and one woman, even if it's one man and multiple women, violates a cultural taboo. So put the barrier of what society will accept there.

I have no problem with civil unions, partnerships, whatever. Have a ceremony, reception, whatever you want, it's a free country. However, in many states including California, the citizens just aren't comfortable breaking the taboo of same sex marriage. It has absolutely nothing to do with hate.

Ok, off the soapbox now.

Oh yes, I totally agree. I don't care what they call it - a civil union is fine with me - as long as the same rights are given to same-sex couples because despite what N-the-Sticks says, they don't exist at the moment. I've always thought that it would have been easier if the gay activists had pushed for this instead of the marriage thing but I would bet there would have been opposition to that as well.

Adam and Eve , not Adam and Steve .

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Originally posted by David L.:
Oh yes, I totally agree. I don't care what they call it - a civil union is fine with me - as long as the same rights are given to same-sex couples because despite what N-the-Sticks says, they don't exist at the moment. I've always thought that it would have been easier if the gay activists had pushed for this instead of the marriage thing but I would bet there would have been opposition to that as well.

david, I would hope not. I know some of the problems are visiting rights in a hospital, insurance coverage and beneficiaries, legally adopting children, etc. Is there any way that you can have a legal contract to cover all that?

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Originally posted by bubbaluck:

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Originally posted by kperk:
I wish a good Conservative lawyer would contact Ms Prejean about suing the whole bunch for punishing her for exercising her freedom of speech.

It seems the general public does not understand that private entities can stiffle free speech all day long. The First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech and expression only protects against State action.

Don't tell that to the folks at Denny's, Cracker Barrel and so on.

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Originally posted by NashBama:
Here is the problem, regardless of where you stand on the issue, does Miss California not have the right to her own opinion? Why should she lose the competition because of her personal view of an issue?

She was asked a loaded question and very bravely spoke her mind. There was quite a bit of agreement from the audience, so she wasn't alone in her view.

It's simply another example of the tolerant left unable to handle a differing point of view.

They should ask loaded questions to all the contestants. See how they would handle: "How do you feel about a woman who orders the murder of a perfectly healthy, innocent baby?" I guarantee you she would get booed and cheered, not matter her answer.