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Scandal: For more than a year, Democrats have been pushing the story that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to steal the election from Hillary Clinton. But the evidence keeps piling up indicating that it was Democrats, wittingly or not, who've been helping Russia achieve its real meddling goals.

XThe latest comes from the indictments issued Friday by Special Counsel Robert Mueller against 13 Russians accused of illegally meddling in the U.S. political system. This has been taken by Trump critics as proof that Russia did, indeed, conspire to meddle in the election.

But if you read the indictments, look at the Facebook ads, the Trump "dossier" and other evidence, it becomes clear that the goal of this meddling wasn't to elect Trump, but to create anger, hostility, bitterness, and discord in the U.S.

Mueller Indictment

Consider what's quoted in the indictment as the goals of these Russians:

  • The Organization's stated goal was "spread(ing) distrust toward the candidates and the political system in general."
  • Specialists were directed to create "politician intensity through supporting radical groups, users dissatisfied with (the) social and economic situation and oppositional social movements."
  • The Organization controlled Facebook pages that "addressed a range of issues, including immigration (with group names including "Secured Borders"); the Black Lives Matter movement (with group names including "Blacktivist"); religion (with group names including "United Muslims of America" and "Army of Jesus"); and certain geographic regions.
  • In June 2016, the Russians used the Facebook group "United Muslims of America" to promote a rally called "Support Hillary. Save American Muslims."
  • Although not in the indictment itself, it's already been reported that in May 2016, two Russian-backed groups — "Heart of Texas" and "United Muslims of America" — organized both pro- and anti-Muslim rallies outside an Islamic center in Houston, where the two rallies squared off.

    Notice what's missing here? Any mention of electing Trump president. Over and over again, the stated goal of these groups, according to Mueller's indictment, wasn't to get Trump elected, but to set Americans at each other's throats.

    Facebook and Social Media

    The indictment makes much of the ads these Russians bought on Facebook, and it suggests that these efforts were designed to disparage Clinton and support Trump.

    But the Facebook VP of Ad Product Rob Goldman reviewed every ad in question, and noted in a series of tweets over the weekend that " I can say very definitively that swaying the election was *NOT* the main goal."


     


    Most of the ads didn't mention the election or any candidate. A quarter of them weren't seen by anybody. And, as Goldman notes, "The majority of the Russian ad spend happened AFTER the election."

    How does this point to a Russian effort to elect Trump? It doesn't. But as Goldman notes with apparent frustration, nobody wants to hear that.

    "We shared that fact, but very few outlets have covered it because it doesn't align with the main media narrative of Tump (sic) and the election."

    We noted in this space last October that other examples of Russia's "meddling" didn't support the Democrats claims, either. One campaign was called "Don't Shoot Us." Among other things, tried to encourage those playing the augmented reality game  Pokémon Go to find and train Pokémon near locations where alleged incidents of police brutality had taken place, and name their Pokémon after the victims.

    In case anyone has forgotten, police brutality and social justice reform were Democrat issues.

    Anti-Trump Rallies

    The Mueller indictment also points out that the Russians organized rallies in favor of Trump. But they also organized at least two anti-Trump rallies after the election.

    The Russians "organized a rally in New York called 'Trump is NOT my President' held on or about November 12, 2016."

    They "organized a rally entitled 'Charlotte Against Trump' in Charlotte, North Carolina, held on or about November 19, 2016."

    It's worth noting that the New York rally received extensive coverage from the mainstream press, who were apparently uninterested in the rally's sponsorship.

    Trump Dossier

    Even the much-ballyhooed Trump dossier fails to support a claim that Russia was bent on getting Trump elected. If that were the case, why would top Russian officials have been feeding dirt to Christopher Steele, who then tried to peddle it to the press before the election?

    "If any part of the Steele dossier is accurate, Russia was playing both sides of the fence," noted Real Clear Politics Washington bureau chief Carl Cannon.

    Election Polls

    The Mueller indictment does allege that these Russian operations were "primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump."

    But think about this for a moment. No one in the U.S. or around the world thought Trump had any chance of winning the election. On the day of the election itself, the highly cited poll analysis group FiveThirtyEight gave Trump a 28.6% chance of winning the election.

    When the Russian efforts were supposedly going on in earnest, FiveThirtyEight put Trump's odds in the teens. (In the end, the IBD/TIPP poll was one of the only national polls to show a Trump victory.)

    It's more likely that those anti-Hillary efforts weren't designed to help defeat her, but to weaken her presidency after she got elected, just as the Russian-informed Trump "dossier" has weakened Trump's presidency.

    The Real Co-Conspirators

    So, to sum up: There's been no credible evidence presented so far — none — of any collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia to sway the November election, despite more than a year-and-a-half of relentless FBI and media investigations.

    But there is growing evidence that, as Facebook's Goldman put it:

    "The main goal of the Russian propaganda and misinformation effort is to divide America by using our institutions, like free speech and social media, against us. It has stoked fear and hatred amongst Americans. It is working incredibly well. We are quite divided as a nation."

    Indeed it has worked incredibly well.

    The problem is that Democrats and the mainstream press will never admit any of this, because if they did, they'd also be admitting that they were co-conspirators in this nefarious Russian campaign to undermine America's democratic institutions.

    During the Cold War, there was a label for Americans who unwittingly did Russia's bidding — "useful idiots." (AKA democrats)

    Perhaps it's time to resurrect this label.

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The old KGB Disinformation Bureau is still up and operating.  As is the Ministry for Agitation and Propaganda (AgitProp).  Both specialized in creating dissension and distrust in the governments of the western powers by their own population.  Plenty of dupes and useful idiots to spread the works of the old commies.  Still plenty amongst the left here. 

direstraits posted:

The old KGB Disinformation Bureau is still up and operating.  As is the Ministry for Agitation and Propaganda (AgitProp).  Both specialized in creating dissension and distrust in the governments of the western powers by their own population.  Plenty of dupes and useful idiots to spread the works of the old commies.  Still plenty amongst the left here. 

And yet, its been proven the Republicans are spreading the fake news... all while screaming about fake news. Liarstraights couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it. He'll probably tell us how he stormed Normandy, single handed, and audited the Germans to death.

Manafort and Gates were working for the Podesta Group -- a Democrat lobbyist firm, when the money laundering went on.  The Podesta Group was founded by the John and Tony Podesta brothers.  John, of course, went on to head up Hillary's campaign.  When Mueller looked into the Podesta Group, Tony resigned and the new guy resigned after 24 hours.  Its now closed.  Any info Gates and Manafort might have on the Russians would be how they assisted the Russkis in money laundering for the Democrats. 

direstraits posted:

Manafort and Gates were working for the Podesta Group -- a Democrat lobbyist firm, when the money laundering went on.  The Podesta Group was founded by the John and Tony Podesta brothers.  John, of course, went on to head up Hillary's campaign.  When Mueller looked into the Podesta Group, Tony resigned and the new guy resigned after 24 hours.  Its now closed.  Any info Gates and Manafort might have on the Russians would be how they assisted the Russkis in money laundering for the Democrats

You misspelled Trump.

Naio posted:
direstraits posted:

Manafort and Gates were working for the Podesta Group -- a Democrat lobbyist firm, when the money laundering went on.  The Podesta Group was founded by the John and Tony Podesta brothers.  John, of course, went on to head up Hillary's campaign.  When Mueller looked into the Podesta Group, Tony resigned and the new guy resigned after 24 hours.  Its now closed.  Any info Gates and Manafort might have on the Russians would be how they assisted the Russkis in money laundering for the Democrats

You misspelled Trump.

Bahahahahahahaha!

19 indictments, 5 have already plead guilty. Republican answer, the Democrats did it.

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Naio posted:
direstraits posted:

Manafort and Gates were working for the Podesta Group -- a Democrat lobbyist firm, when the money laundering went on.  The Podesta Group was founded by the John and Tony Podesta brothers.  John, of course, went on to head up Hillary's campaign.  When Mueller looked into the Podesta Group, Tony resigned and the new guy resigned after 24 hours.  Its now closed.  Any info Gates and Manafort might have on the Russians would be how they assisted the Russkis in money laundering for the Democrats

You misspelled Trump.

You are projecting wishful thinking over facts.  When Gates and Manafort were laundering Russian cash, they worked with the Podesta Group.  Democrat lobbyists, at that time, were in the pocket of the pro-Russian president of Ukraine and Russian operatives.  

direstraits posted:
Naio posted:
direstraits posted:

Manafort and Gates were working for the Podesta Group -- a Democrat lobbyist firm, when the money laundering went on.  The Podesta Group was founded by the John and Tony Podesta brothers.  John, of course, went on to head up Hillary's campaign.  When Mueller looked into the Podesta Group, Tony resigned and the new guy resigned after 24 hours.  Its now closed.  Any info Gates and Manafort might have on the Russians would be how they assisted the Russkis in money laundering for the Democrats

You misspelled Trump.

You are projecting wishful thinking over facts.  When Gates and Manafort were laundering Russian cash, they worked with the Podesta Group.  Democrat lobbyists, at that time, were in the pocket of the pro-Russian president of Ukraine and Russian operatives.  

Here's some FACTS for you....

19 indictments, 5 have already plead guilty. Not one of them a registered Democrat.  Republican answer, the Democrats did it.

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