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Say it isn't so! I was sitting at the shop drinkin' a cold RC Cola and eatin' a moon pie when someone made a comment about another possible incident involving the MSPD. According to gossip, the officer involved in this incident may be one of the officers involved in the current F.B.I. investigation. There was mention of another handcuffed suspect being punched in the face repeatedly by the Po Po. Now, if history repeats itself (and it appears it may have already started to)...I'm sure some will say he was kicked, farted on, "cussed" or given the evil eye before the alleged butt whoopin' began.

Gotta say, this is absolutely crazy. It's not like anyone can sit back and say, "Didn't see this one comin'!".
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Originally posted by Southern_Guy:
Say it isn't so! I was sitting at the shop drinkin' a cold RC Cola and eatin' a moon pie when someone made a comment about another possible incident involving the MSPD. According to gossip, the officer involved in this incident may be one of the officers involved in the current F.B.I. investigation. There was mention of another handcuffed suspect being punched in the face repeatedly by the Po Po. Now, if history repeats itself (and it appears it may have already started to)...I'm sure some will say he was kicked, farted on, "cussed" or given the evil eye before the alleged butt whoopin' began.

Gotta say, this is absolutely crazy. It's not like anyone can sit back and say, "Didn't see this one comin'!".



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SG.. if you paid attention to what I said - I said the ORIGINAL THREAD has all but played out -- meaning it has gotten boring with all the "nothing new to report" posts. I am aware the incident is under investigation STILL.
I think its very interesting that the Lt. was allegedly involved in this new incident. Hmmmm.... very interesting.
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Originally posted by I'mJustSaying:
SG.. if you paid attention to what I said - I said the ORIGINAL THREAD has all but played out -- meaning it has gotten boring with all the "nothing new to report" posts. I am aware the incident is under investigation STILL.
I think its very interesting that the Lt. was allegedly involved in this new incident. Hmmmm.... very interesting.


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I'm apparently not paying attention again.....
It IS something to be concerned with and I didn't mean to make light of the situation - just find it curiously odd how you are so quick to post any dirt you 'hear' -- you yourself it was according to "gossip". I mean, you haven't even provided a link to the story yet as you did in the first thread concerning these officers. I wonder why you aren't so quick to expose all the other less than honorable happenings that go on up there at that department?
I think taxpayers should be concerned with several things that go on up there that are conveniently overlooked. If you're going to punish a few for misconduct (if its even PROVEN as misconduct.. still waiting on that decision, aren't we?) then why not punish the others that don't do things "by the book"?
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Originally posted by I'mJustSaying:
It IS something to be concerned with and I didn't mean to make light of the situation - just find it curiously odd how you are so quick to post any dirt you 'hear' -- you yourself it was according to "gossip". I mean, you haven't even provided a link to the story yet as you did in the first thread concerning these officers. I wonder why you aren't so quick to expose all the other less than honorable happenings that go on up there at that department?
I think taxpayers should be concerned with several things that go on up there that are conveniently overlooked. If you're going to punish a few for misconduct (if its even PROVEN as misconduct.. still waiting on that decision, aren't we?) then why not punish the others that don't do things "by the book"?


Now wait...I was gonna stay out of this one b/c this is exactly was S.G. was seeking but I do take offense to several of these comments. Of course there are a few bad apples up there who truly need to hit the door. However, that is true in every police dept, fire dept, hospital, school, or local KMart. Putting the whole PD in the "not by the book" category is really unfair. There are many hardworking folks up there who are being thrown under the bus b/c of incidents like this.
I wasn't implying they are all bad apples. Where did you get that from? Most of the ones up there are excellent officers... including the ones that have had their reputation tainted lately. I have been in support of them from Day One. My point was... the focus is on a few officers who have had the spotlight on them for protecting themselves, when there are others up there that have done much worse and nothing is ever said.
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Originally posted by beadcutterbytrade:
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Originally posted by I'mJustSaying:
It IS something to be concerned with and I didn't mean to make light of the situation - just find it curiously odd how you are so quick to post any dirt you 'hear' -- you yourself it was according to "gossip". I mean, you haven't even provided a link to the story yet as you did in the first thread concerning these officers. I wonder why you aren't so quick to expose all the other less than honorable happenings that go on up there at that department?
I think taxpayers should be concerned with several things that go on up there that are conveniently overlooked. If you're going to punish a few for misconduct (if its even PROVEN as misconduct.. still waiting on that decision, aren't we?) then why not punish the others that don't do things "by the book"?


Now wait...I was gonna stay out of this one b/c this is exactly was S.G. was seeking but I do take offense to several of these comments. Of course there are a few bad apples up there who truly need to hit the door. However, that is true in every police dept, fire dept, hospital, school, or local KMart. Putting the whole PD in the "not by the book" category is really unfair. There are many hardworking folks up there who are being thrown under the bus b/c of incidents like this.


S.G. is not seeking anything in particular from anyone on this forum regarding these alleged incidents. If someone wants to talk, debate, argue....I'm here. In my opinion, these are extremely serious issues....

I have defended the honest, hard working, "by the book" officers and will continue to do so. The good officers definitely outnumber the bad ones.
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Originally posted by I'mJustSaying:
Well congratulations, SG.. you accomplished what you set out to do -- this time you did it without providing any proof -- just by what you overheard while eating a moon pie. I should have never even commented.
I wish the officers luck with whatever happens.


Hold on, I'm having flashbacks of high school.......huh?!

For the record, the moon pie was my first priority!
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Originally posted by Southern_Guy:
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Originally posted by I'mJustSaying:
Well congratulations, SG.. you accomplished what you set out to do -- this time you did it without providing any proof -- just by what you overheard while eating a moon pie. I should have never even commented.
I wish the officers luck with whatever happens.


Hold on, I'm having flashbacks on high school.......huh?!

For the record, the moon pie was my first priority!


I also need to say that cold RC colas are extremely underrated (especially if you can find one that's starting to freeze).

Seriously, IJS....you lost me again.
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Originally posted by themoodyexperience:
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..I'm sure some will say he was kicked, farted on, "cussed" or given the evil eye before the alleged butt whoopin' began.


I'm just impressed that in the middle of kicking, cussing and giving the evil eye, they can fart on command and aim it toward somebody.


Not so hard if you practice with your friends
Here's the thing, if you are responsible for enforcing the law, you have to make decisions and responses in nano-seconds and realize 75 to 80% of the public have cell phones or pocket cameras capable of shooting video...not to mention the dash cam...so hopefully, under extreme pressure, you made the right decision well. Bare in mind that the individual being arrested can make the decision to be civil, non-combative, responsive, co-operative, non-violent, respectful, calm, non-hostile, not aggressive, and I am confident you will not get your clothes wrinkled or dirty, no bruises, and your dignity in tact. You might not even be cuffed up (depending on dept. policy). Unfortunately many people subjected to the arrest process have the attitude of a Pit Bull and think they can out fight, out run, out speed and out smart the entire police force...they are usually wrong and wind up on video tape.
I would definitely agree with much of what you said. The suspect, in many instances, can dictate the direction in which the arrest is headed. The same can be true for the officer/officers involved. If you show up on calls acting like Billy Bad ***, expect for your bluff to be called from time to time. We all know that every department usually has at least one officer with a reputation for being a little more aggressive than the other officers. Some officers think they are above the law, untouchable. They usually give no respect and seldom get respect in return.

Respect is a two way street. Granted, some people will fuss and fight no matter what. It's the only way they know. Too many officers take that behavior personal and then he/she acts out of emotion...rather than training.
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Originally posted by Southern_Guy:
I would definitely agree with much of what you said. The suspect, in many instances, can dictate the direction in which the arrest is headed. The same can be true for the officer/officers involved. If you show up on calls acting like Billy Bad ***, expect for your bluff to be called from time to time. We all know that every department usually has at least one officer with a reputation for being a little more aggressive than the other officers. Some officers think they are above the law, untouchable. They usually give no respect and seldom get respect in return.

Respect is a two way street. Granted, some people will fuss and fight no matter what. It's the only way they know. Too many officers take that behavior personal and then he/she acts out of emotion...rather than training.


The arrestee dictates it every time. Saying "some of the time" is not fair to the hard working law enforcement officers. Just because one agency has two alleged incidents does not justify tainting an entire profession with generalized comments such as yours. I have sat back while you commented on the officers involved in the scandal but I can't let you lump us all into the same pile. There is more to being a police officer than what you have seen on TV.
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Originally posted by wright35633:
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Originally posted by Southern_Guy:
I would definitely agree with much of what you said. The suspect, in many instances, can dictate the direction in which the arrest is headed. The same can be true for the officer/officers involved. If you show up on calls acting like Billy Bad ***, expect for your bluff to be called from time to time. We all know that every department usually has at least one officer with a reputation for being a little more aggressive than the other officers. Some officers think they are above the law, untouchable. They usually give no respect and seldom get respect in return.

Respect is a two way street. Granted, some people will fuss and fight no matter what. It's the only way they know. Too many officers take that behavior personal and then he/she acts out of emotion...rather than training.


The arrestee dictates it every time. Saying "some of the time" is not fair to the hard working law enforcement officers. Just because one agency has two alleged incidents does not justify tainting an entire profession with generalized comments such as yours. I have sat back while you commented on the officers involved in the scandal but I can't let you lump us all into the same pile. There is more to being a police officer than what you have seen on TV.


You're apparently not paying attention. If you can tell me that your department doesn't have (or has had) men/women that have a reputation for kickin' butt and takin' names....then you're either in denial or have your head buried in the sand. I have consistently defended law enforcement....and will continue to do so. However, The suspect doesn't always dictate it and you know that. Too many officers command respect but are incapable of giving it back. Your "us".....has included me.....so get off your high horse and realize that the entire profession has not be generalized by me at any point. You think people are born hating cops? Wake up...it doesn't happen that way. Some are taught as children by their parents...some are taught by their own experiences. One bad officer can change a person's mind forever. If you can tell me that in your career you've never seen an officer overreact, talk down to someone for no reason, have an over aggressive personality/temper for the job or strike a suspect when it's wasn't needed.....then you're lying. A cop that's burnt out, mad at his old lady, having a bad hair day, or whatever...can dictate the behavior of the people that he/she is dealing with.
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Just because one agency has two alleged incidents does not justify tainting an entire profession with generalized comments such as yours.


Lets carry this part of your response a little bit further.

I think it's safe to say that if the profession is tainted....it did it to itself. Public perception is everything. When a department can't/won't effectively police itself, don't expect the public's confidence in the department to be at a favorable level.

Recently, area departments have consistently been in the newspapers. Praise from the public is a gift while criticism is a given. More and more people watch the behavior and actions of officers because of stupid decisions made by other officers. Some people will love/hate law enforcement regardless of what the profession does or doesn't do. That leaves the people in the middle. They don't have an opinion either way...until they a good/bad experience with a law enforcement officer. Officers/Personnel can have a "Gestapo" mentality and continue to push the public away....or they can be level headed, respectful, and at times...compassionate and not make a bad situation for someone worse.
You are correct in that this area's law enforcement has had a shaky time recently. Unfortunately all the public sees is a uniform. What usually goes unnoticed is that for every one that dishonors the profession there are hundreds locally who do their job with courtesy, honor, and respect. It gets so tiresome for the public to base their opinion on the actions of such a small percentage of officers. You wrote, "Too many officers take that behavior personal and then he/she acts out of emotion...rather than training." I believe "too many officers" is a generalization. Sorry if I jumped to conclusions.
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Originally posted by wright35633:
You are correct in that this area's law enforcement has had a shaky time recently. Unfortunately all the public sees is a uniform. What usually goes unnoticed is that for every one that dishonors the profession there are hundreds locally who do their job with courtesy, honor, and respect. It gets so tiresome for the public to base their opinion on the actions of such a small percentage of officers. You wrote, "Too many officers take that behavior personal and then he/she acts out of emotion...rather than training." I believe "too many officers" is a generalization. Sorry if I jumped to conclusions.


Any, in my opinion, is too many...but it does happen much more than the public is aware of.

Now, let's get back to the topic at hand.

Apparently some folks have been moved around....one of them since the latest alleged incident surfaced.....really?!?!.....now?! (golf clap)

Molasses driving a U-haul with four flat tires could move faster than that.

I'm having flashbacks of a certain someone (not pointing fingers at IJS) mentioning "reasons" why the first alleged incident was reported by a fellow officer or officers. Is history repeating itself? Hi blame....where should we place you today? Alex, I'll take "it's not my fault" for $1000.00.

Seriously, it's time for someone to invest in latex gloves and give the MSPD a thorough examination.....I'm just sayin'
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