Muscle Shoals Police

I've been wondering also when this was going to make headlines in the Times Daily. Makes a person wonder who is in charge of releasing details (the police dept?) or cover up (Times Daily?) The publishing of the details of the Sheffield teacher sex scandal was covered numerous times by the Times Daily but somehow the Times Daily can't (or won't) get or publish the details when it involves a local policeman. Is it all in who you know?

If a handcuffed suspect was kicked by a patrolman and pepper sprayed by a Lieutenant, regardless of the suspects race, both officers should be unemployed and charged with a crime if the evidence supports it. The officers should be suspended until the investigation is complete. I was told by one source that the entire incident is on video.

Muscle Shoals, in general, has some pretty good officers. However, they have some officers that need to retire, quit, or be retired. Some of them genuinely care about what they do. They work hard to bring truth to the term "serve and protect". I will always be pro law enforcement but I will also always be anti ego.

The handcuff incident is separate from the officer that has been fired and appealing it. Two entirely different embarrassments for MS police department. I will also always be pro law enforcement but they like anyone else should get rid of the bad apples with the huge egos. But it should be reported so that the public can have trust and confidence that these type of behaviors are not allowed.

The sergeant (or maybe lt. now) is actually someone I've met and had coffee with once. I was totally shocked, but if he did it, he should be fired.

There are egomaniac cops posting on this very forum, most everyone here gives them a free pass...EXCEPT for me.

If the incident happened as described, this will do nothing but make it harder on the officers that actually perform their duties correctly and to the best of their ability. So many times officers forget that they should serve the community and the people within it. The trust of the people that an officer serves is sacred. If they don't care, are lazy, burnt out, impatient, etc...etc...then it's time for that officer to move on. Anyone can sit in a patrol car and turn on the pretty blue lights. Not everyone can make good judgment calls in stressful situations and handle the power and responsibility that comes with a gun and a badge.

The officers involved may be good men. They may be or may have been good officers to some degree. Unfortunately, the public's trust in the department has been compromised and it sounds like a good house cleaning is in order. I wonder who is holding the broom?

Are any of these nvolved the husband of the lady who shot the neighbor's dog? Why was this story covered up and why were no charges filed? I thought it was illegal to discharge firearm in the city. Also isn't there some ordinance about legal or illegal weapons? So much for outstanding police department!

The accused officers have the same rights to due process that anyother citizen enjoys. Until the investigation is completed and the results are published everything else is just meaningless conjecture. If the allegations are sustanined then they should be dealt with accordingly. They shouldn't be tried and convicted by rumor, innuendo and posts on an internet forum.

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Originally posted by pooh's dad:
Are any of these nvolved the husband of the lady who shot the neighbor's dog? Why was this story covered up and why were no charges filed? I thought it was illegal to discharge firearm in the city. Also isn't there some ordinance about legal or illegal weapons? So much for outstanding police department!

NO, it doesn't involve the lady's husband. Why do you believe the story was covered up. What makes that particular story even news worthy? This lady was on her property and had every right to defend herself or her animal if she felt threatened. I have no idea why your legal or illegal weapons question would relate to this incident. Why wasn't the dog on a leash or in a fenced yard? If so, there wouldn't had been a need for the lady to protect herself! The citizens of Muscle Shoals are well protected, and they without a doubt have less crime than Tuscumbia, Sheffield, or Florence.

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Originally posted by JJ:
The accused officers have the same rights to due process that anyother citizen enjoys. Until the investigation is completed and the results are published everything else is just meaningless conjecture. If the allegations are sustanined then they should be dealt with accordingly. They shouldn't be tried and convicted by rumor, innuendo and posts on an internet forum.

I agree completely!

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Originally posted by Southern_Guy:
If the incident happened as described, this will do nothing but make it harder on the officers that actually perform their duties correctly and to the best of their ability. So many times officers forget that they should serve the community and the people within it. The trust of the people that an officer serves is sacred. If they don't care, are lazy, burnt out, impatient, etc...etc...then it's time for that officer to move on. Anyone can sit in a patrol car and turn on the pretty blue lights. Not everyone can make good judgment calls in stressful situations and handle the power and responsibility that comes with a gun and a badge.

I agree completely!

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The officers involved may be good men. They may be or may have been good officers to some degree. Unfortunately, the public's trust in the department has been compromised and it sounds like a good house cleaning is in order. I wonder who is holding the broom?

I would say you know who holds the broom. If this version of the incident is found to be true the officers will be punished accordingly.

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I would say you know who holds the broom. If this version of the incident is found to be true the officers will be punished accordingly.

And how would you know that?

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Originally posted by I'llTazeUBro:

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Originally posted by pooh's dad:
Are any of these nvolved the husband of the lady who shot the neighbor's dog? Why was this story covered up and why were no charges filed? I thought it was illegal to discharge firearm in the city. Also isn't there some ordinance about legal or illegal weapons? So much for outstanding police department!

NO, it doesn't involve the lady's husband. Why do you believe the story was covered up. What makes that particular story even news worthy? This lady was on her property and had every right to defend herself or her animal if she felt threatened. I have no idea why your legal or illegal weapons question would relate to this incident. Why wasn't the dog on a leash or in a fenced yard? If so, there wouldn't had been a need for the lady to protect herself! The citizens of Muscle Shoals are well protected, and they without a doubt have less crime than Tuscumbia, Sheffield, or Florence.

Please get your facts straight...Muscle Shoals does not have less crime than Tuscumbia. Out of the four Tuscumbia has the less. Check your numbers before speaking agaist other cities.
I do have to agree with you on why the "dog" incedent is coming up on this post. We should keep to the topic.

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Originally posted by JJ:
The accused officers have the same rights to due process that anyother citizen enjoys. Until the investigation is completed and the results are published everything else is just meaningless conjecture. If the allegations are sustanined then they should be dealt with accordingly. They shouldn't be tried and convicted by rumor, innuendo and posts on an internet forum.

"The accused officers have the same rights to due process that another citizen enjoys. Until the investigation is completed and the results are published everything else is just meaningless conjecture." ----- JJ

I don't know if I would call it meaningless conjecture. There may be speculation as to what the facts are, but considering that no facts have been published to date...we're discussing this the only way we can using the only information that we have.

"They shouldn't be tried and convicted by rumor, innuendo and posts on an internet forum." ----- JJ

No one is being tried and convicted on this forum. A sincere and legitimate concern is being being discussed here. If this incident happened as described, then people should be concerned. Are the officers suspended? If not, are they on patrol? These are very relevant questions especially considering the severity of the allegations.

It's fairly safe to assume that this is an ongoing investigation. State and/or federal law enforcement are probably involved at this point. However, since this alleged incident is being discussed here and on the street, MSPD would be wise to issue a statement. They need to be in damage control mode since this is the second major incident involving the department this year.

I'm wondering why the black guy hasn't hired Hank Sherrod to sue the heck out of the city. Maybe he has and Sherrod is waiting for the right minute to pounce.

From what I hear the handcuffed man was fighting, kicking, and attempting to bite the officers. He was also intoxicated and was arrested for DUI, and this was'nt his 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd DUI try number 4!!! So using force to get a suspect under control whether handcuffed or not is'nt a crime against the officers. Id say they used appropriate force from what Ive been told!!! So let's not bash the officers, because they kept this guy from crashing into one of us or our loved ones and causing us grief.

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Originally posted by tigerfan256:
From what I hear the handcuffed man was fighting, kicking, and attempting to bite the officers. He was also intoxicated and was arrested for DUI, and this was'nt his 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd DUI try number 4!!! So using force to get a suspect under control whether handcuffed or not is'nt a crime against the officers. Id say they used appropriate force from what Ive been told!!! So let's not bash the officers, because they kept this guy from crashing into one of us or our loved ones and causing us grief.

Just use the taser on 12 year old girls eh?

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Originally posted by WH:

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I would say you know who holds the broom. If this version of the incident is found to be true the officers will be punished accordingly.

And how would you know that?

Why would I believe otherwise?

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Originally posted by WH:

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Originally posted by tigerfan256:
From what I hear the handcuffed man was fighting, kicking, and attempting to bite the officers. He was also intoxicated and was arrested for DUI, and this was'nt his 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd DUI try number 4!!! So using force to get a suspect under control whether handcuffed or not is'nt a crime against the officers. Id say they used appropriate force from what Ive been told!!! So let's not bash the officers, because they kept this guy from crashing into one of us or our loved ones and causing us grief.

Just use the taser on 12 year old girls eh?

Not sure what using a taser on a 12 year old girl has to do with this situation, and to be honest not sure what situation your talking about either!

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Originally posted by myword:

Please get your facts straight...Muscle Shoals does not have less crime than Tuscumbia. Out of the four Tuscumbia has the less. Check your numbers before speaking agaist other cities.
I do have to agree with you on why the "dog" incedent is coming up on this post. We should keep to the topic.

I feel secure with my statement. It's very easy to not take reports or list lesser offenses which in returns shows a lower crime rate. However, look at the total percentage of cases closed by Tuscumbia PD in comparison to Muscle Shoals in 2008 for example. Tuscumbia had a 0% clearence rate on rapes, robberies, assaults, burglary, and motor vehicle theft. They did however have a 1% clearence rate on larceny. Muscle Shoals had a 100% clearence on rape, 58% on robbery, 85% on assault, 40% on burglary, 45% on larceny, and 28% on motor vehicle theft. I'll also throw in the fact that Muscle Shoals has almost double the population of Tuscumbia.

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Originally posted by I'llTazeUBro:

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Originally posted by myword:

Please get your facts straight...Muscle Shoals does not have less crime than Tuscumbia. Out of the four Tuscumbia has the less. Check your numbers before speaking agaist other cities.
I do have to agree with you on why the "dog" incedent is coming up on this post. We should keep to the topic.

I feel secure with my statement. It's very easy to not take reports or list lesser offenses which in returns shows a lower crime rate. However, look at the total percentage of cases closed by Tuscumbia PD in comparison to Muscle Shoals in 2008 for example. Tuscumbia had a 0% clearence rate on rapes, robberies, assaults, burglary, and motor vehicle theft. They did however have a 1% clearence rate on larceny. Muscle Shoals had a 100% clearence on rape, 58% on robbery, 85% on assault, 40% on burglary, 45% on larceny, and 28% on motor vehicle theft. I'll also throw in the fact that Muscle Shoals has almost double the population of Tuscumbia.

okay whatever! muscle shoals has no crime lol...that is why friday night, saturday night and sunday night there were reports of 5 different gang fights. oh and they have clear rape cases? hmmm i will have to check with an aquantince of mine to see if she knew they had hers solved. oh and the number of forced entries and breakins in muscle shoals is lower than tuscumbias? Dont think so.
Look you are just mad cause you have a couple of bad officers but that doesnt make muscle shoals a bad place so dont go on the attack. Every department has their bad apples. it will be okay.

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Originally posted by myword:

okay whatever! muscle shoals has no crime lol...that is why friday night, saturday night and sunday night there were reports of 5 different gang fights. oh and they have clear rape cases? hmmm i will have to check with an aquantince of mine to see if she knew they had hers solved. oh and the number of forced entries and breakins in muscle shoals is lower than tuscumbias? Dont think so.
Look you are just mad cause you have a couple of bad officers but that doesnt make muscle shoals a bad place so dont go on the attack. Every department has their bad apples. it will be okay.

Who's on the attack? I'd say you after reading your post. I never said Muscle Shoals had no crime, but we do have a low crime rate. Strange, I don't remember hearing the first call given out as a large gang fight. The facts that I gave were from 2008, and yes all rape cases that year in Muscle Shoals were cleared. I would hope that a town of 7,000 would have fewer burglaries than a town of 15,000. I simply posted stats from the Uniformed Crime Reports.

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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
I'm wondering why the black guy hasn't hired Hank Sherrod to sue the heck out of the city. Maybe he has and Sherrod is waiting for the right minute to pounce.

Let him pounce! LOL!

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Originally posted by I'llTazeUBro:

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Originally posted by myword:

okay whatever! muscle shoals has no crime lol...that is why friday night, saturday night and sunday night there were reports of 5 different gang fights. oh and they have clear rape cases? hmmm i will have to check with an aquantince of mine to see if she knew they had hers solved. oh and the number of forced entries and breakins in muscle shoals is lower than tuscumbias? Dont think so.
Look you are just mad cause you have a couple of bad officers but that doesnt make muscle shoals a bad place so dont go on the attack. Every department has their bad apples. it will be okay.

Who's on the attack? I'd say you after reading your post. I never said Muscle Shoals had no crime, but we do have a low crime rate. Strange, I don't remember hearing the first call given out as a large gang fight. The facts that I gave were from 2008, and yes all rape cases that year in Muscle Shoals were cleared. I would hope that a town of 7,000 would have fewer burglaries than a town of 15,000. I simply posted stats from the Uniformed Crime Reports.

Then you must not have been listening to your scanner this weekend cause it happened. MSPD went on the calls, this I know for a FACT! Also you were the one that was putting the other towns down for their crime rate when I think this whole forum was about something else.
Be what it may I am not going to fight with you over whose town is bigger and whose PD is the best. It is useless and childish.
The point is that two officers from MSPD are being questioned for wrong doing, nothing more nothing less.
Oh and I never said "Large" gang fight.

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Originally posted by myword:

Then you must not have been listening to your scanner this weekend cause it happened. MSPD went on the calls, this I know for a FACT! Also you were the one that was putting the other towns down for their crime rate when I think this whole forum was about something else.
Be what it may I am not going to fight with you over whose town is bigger and whose PD is the best. It is useless and childish.
The point is that two officers from MSPD are being questioned for wrong doing, nothing more nothing less.
Oh and I never said "Large" gang fight.

No, I have no need to listen to a scanner. You did mention gang in your post, and there were no calls given out related to gangs in the city of Muscle Shoals. That is a fact!! I wasn't attempting to degrade any cities or departments, I simply stated my opinion first before posting facts. Yes, Muscle Shoals has had one officer terminated and two more supposedly being investigated. Who cares? There have been officers suspended or fired from every department in this area for some reason or another.

WH - when YOU have pinned on a badge and ridden ONE shift, I'll give a modicum of respect to your postings.

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Originally posted by tigerfan256:
From what I hear the handcuffed man was fighting, kicking, and attempting to bite the officers. He was also intoxicated and was arrested for DUI, and this was'nt his 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd DUI try number 4!!! So using force to get a suspect under control whether handcuffed or not is'nt a crime against the officers. Id say they used appropriate force from what Ive been told!!! So let's not bash the officers, because they kept this guy from crashing into one of us or our loved ones and causing us grief.

The number of previous DUI's that this person may have has absolutely nothing to do with how the officers responded to his behavior. How is kicking a handcuffed suspect appropriate force? Is that taught at the academy? Why not just throw in a punch or two for good measure? Surely that would be justifiable in your eyes as well.

You haven't seen me "bash" anyone. If a drunk driver was taken off the street, my hat goes off to the officers/officer responsible. However, that's their job.

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Originally posted by Southern_Guy:

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Originally posted by tigerfan256:
From what I hear the handcuffed man was fighting, kicking, and attempting to bite the officers. He was also intoxicated and was arrested for DUI, and this was'nt his 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd DUI try number 4!!! So using force to get a suspect under control whether handcuffed or not is'nt a crime against the officers. Id say they used appropriate force from what Ive been told!!! So let's not bash the officers, because they kept this guy from crashing into one of us or our loved ones and causing us grief.

The number of previous DUI's that this person may have has absolutely nothing to do with how the officers responded to his behavior. How is kicking a handcuffed suspect appropriate force? Is that taught at the academy? Why not just throw in a punch or two for good measure? Surely that would be justifiable in your eyes as well.

You haven't seen me "bash" anyone. If a drunk driver was taken off the street, my hat goes off to the officers/officer responsible. However, that's their job.

Did you not read? Biting and kicking -- what do you expect the officers to do -- not defend themselves? I don't know the whole situation, but if you are trying to bite me I am sure going to stop you one way or another regardless of whether your hands are cuffed -- AIDS is still a possibility along with other diseases from bite. I am not going to take the chance and I would expect nothing less from a trained officer regardless of the man's skin color and we all know that is basically what this boils down too....................Had he been a law abiding upstanding citizen he wouldn't have been handcuffed to begin with.....................

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Originally posted by Eastside:

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Originally posted by Southern_Guy:

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Originally posted by tigerfan256:
From what I hear the handcuffed man was fighting, kicking, and attempting to bite the officers. He was also intoxicated and was arrested for DUI, and this was'nt his 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd DUI try number 4!!! So using force to get a suspect under control whether handcuffed or not is'nt a crime against the officers. Id say they used appropriate force from what Ive been told!!! So let's not bash the officers, because they kept this guy from crashing into one of us or our loved ones and causing us grief.

The number of previous DUI's that this person may have has absolutely nothing to do with how the officers responded to his behavior. How is kicking a handcuffed suspect appropriate force? Is that taught at the academy? Why not just throw in a punch or two for good measure? Surely that would be justifiable in your eyes as well.

You haven't seen me "bash" anyone. If a drunk driver was taken off the street, my hat goes off to the officers/officer responsible. However, that's their job.

Did you not read? Biting and kicking -- what do you expect the officers to do -- not defend themselves? I don't know the whole situation, but if you are trying to bite me I am sure going to stop you one way or another regardless of whether your hands are cuffed -- AIDS is still a possibility along with other diseases from bite. I am not going to take the chance and I would expect nothing less from a trained officer regardless of the man's skin color and we all know that is basically what this boils down too....................Had he been a law abiding upstanding citizen he wouldn't have been handcuffed to begin with.....................

Eastside, surely you can't believe that numerous grown men can't control a HANDCUFFED suspect that's attempting to bite someone. We've already covered the kicking aspect of it all (in case YOU can't read).

I once assisted (2) other officers in subduing an individual that later toxocology reports indicated was on PCP. Even handcuffed, this individual continued to fight us. Once placed in the back of my patrol car the individual began battering his head against the door's window. He eventually warped the metal door frame on my 1996 Crown Vic. The door had to be replaced. Contrary to popular belief on this forum, not everyone submits peacefully when arrested.

I bet he had one hell of a headache when he sobered up!

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Eastside, surely you can't believe that numerous grown men can't control a HANDCUFFED suspect that's attempting to bite someone. We've already covered the kicking aspect of it all (in case YOU can't read).

I once had to charge a handcuffed individual with a felony assault. While handcuffed, he head butted a bystander, breaking the bystander's nose and glasses.

I too have had prisoners beat and kick windows and door frames out while handcuffed.

Don't bother to try to convince me they're subdued just by being put into handcuffs.

I am familiar with this situation and happen to know one of the officers in question. I think some people are losing sight of the fact that being in law enforcement is dangerous, whether it’s in Muscle Shoals, Sheffield or Florence. True, it’s a job they chose and they should be aware of the dangers, but does that mean they don't have a right to defend themselves? They do not get paid enough to tolerate abuse from combative suspects. You all should remember that this is not just a case of police brutality and an example of someone in a uniform exercising his authority. An officer was asked to help with the man in handcuffs, who happened to be cursing, spitting, kicking..... and lets not forget this wasn't his FIRST time in trouble with the law. After being sprayed by a lt., the man was STILL fighting and actually kicked the patrolman who was asked to help. It really bothers me that some in the community (and in the department itself) feels like these officers should lose their jobs when they go above and beyond to protect us. Since when do criminals have more rights than those that took an oath to serve and protect? The officer I know has never had a complaint or mark against him. He is actually one of the few policemen that I know of that is faithful to his wife and goes by the book (no bribe taking, no "favors", etc...) By reading some of these posts, it sounds like the patrolman just got out of his car and started beating up on the handcuffed man, and that is NOT the case. It is a shame that because he was defending himself, now he faces punishment. I am more concerned about a particular black sgt. that seems to have nothing better to do than sit in several business parking lots intimidating people (mostly women) and frequents certain apartment complexes.
To the officers in question.... thank you for doing whatever it takes to keep us safe. You should be able to protect yourselves without fear of losing your jobs.

last June Muscle Shoals Police had me in hand cuffs putting me in the car hit me 4 times in the side of the head. This was after they draged me out of my house for playing a radio in my back yard to loud. Something has to be done.

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Originally posted by ms48:
last June Muscle Shoals Police had me in hand cuffs putting me in the car hit me 4 times in the side of the head. This was after they draged me out of my house for playing a radio in my back yard to loud. Something has to be done.

Sounds like you were unfairly treated, and I know that sometimes unnecessary force is used -- but in this case of the handcuffed man kicking, spitting, trying to bite, etc.... I think the appropriate actions were taken.

At least some people on here are open minded. For all those that are saying that a few officers should have been able to control the handcuffed non compliant man, let's let all of you attempt to control someone that is handcuffed and out of control. It's not as easy as some may think. And to whoever said his previous DUI's had nothing to do with this situation, Id say your right they dont, I was merely saying this was'nt his first run in with police for the same offense. Also DUI was'nt the only thing on his rap sheet. Also we can look at the Rodney King deal. The police were 100% in the wrong, but why is it that we only see the police beating Mr. King and not Mr. Kings action prior to the officers actions. The police were 100% in the wrong but Rodney King was 100% in the wrong as well when he was hyped up on all kinds of drugs fighting and putting peoples lives at risk. All Im saying is let us see 100% of the situation not the 50% that excludes what the suspect actions were prior. Its easy to say what we would do after a situation is over but let us be there and see what actions we would take if we were in the same situation. Someone trying to bite kick spit head butt me while in cuffs Im gonna use whatever forse necessary to contol and keep anyone from getting hurt!!!!

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Originally posted by ms48:
last June Muscle Shoals Police had me in hand cuffs putting me in the car hit me 4 times in the side of the head. This was after they draged me out of my house for playing a radio in my back yard to loud. Something has to be done.

Try going back to school and paying attention in your English classes when grammar and proper sentence structure were discussed.

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Originally posted by tigerfan256:
At least some people on here are open minded. For all those that are saying that a few officers should have been able to control the handcuffed non compliant man, let's let all of you attempt to control someone that is handcuffed and out of control. It's not as easy as some may think. And to whoever said his previous DUI's had nothing to do with this situation, Id say your right they dont, I was merely saying this was'nt his first run in with police for the same offense. Also DUI was'nt the only thing on his rap sheet. Also we can look at the Rodney King deal. The police were 100% in the wrong, but why is it that we only see the police beating Mr. King and not Mr. Kings action prior to the officers actions. The police were 100% in the wrong but Rodney King was 100% in the wrong as well when he was hyped up on all kinds of drugs fighting and putting peoples lives at risk. All Im saying is let us see 100% of the situation not the 50% that excludes what the suspect actions were prior. Its easy to say what we would do after a situation is over but let us be there and see what actions we would take if we were in the same situation. Someone trying to bite kick spit head butt me while in cuffs Im gonna use whatever forse necessary to contol and keep anyone from getting hurt!!!!

The female officer that initially stopped Rodney King was 'in the wrong', alright. Having seen the police tape of that traffic stop, she should have SHOT Rodney King.

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Originally posted by tigerfan256:
From what I hear the handcuffed man was fighting, kicking, and attempting to bite the officers. He was also intoxicated and was arrested for DUI, and this was'nt his 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd DUI try number 4!!! So using force to get a suspect under control whether handcuffed or not is'nt a crime against the officers. Id say they used appropriate force from what Ive been told!!! So let's not bash the officers, because they kept this guy from crashing into one of us or our loved ones and causing us grief.

The number of previous DUI's that this person may have has absolutely nothing to do with how the officers responded to his behavior. How is kicking a handcuffed suspect appropriate force? Is that taught at the academy? Why not just throw in a punch or two for good measure? Surely that would be justifiable in your eyes as well.

You haven't seen me "bash" anyone. If a drunk driver was taken off the street, my hat goes off to the officers/officer responsible. However, that's their job.

Did you not read? Biting and kicking -- what do you expect the officers to do -- not defend themselves? I don't know the whole situation, but if you are trying to bite me I am sure going to stop you one way or another regardless of whether your hands are cuffed -- AIDS is still a possibility along with other diseases from bite. I am not going to take the chance and I would expect nothing less from a trained officer regardless of the man's skin color and we all know that is basically what this boils down too....................Had he been a law abiding upstanding citizen he wouldn't have been handcuffed to begin with.....................

Eastside, surely you can't believe that numerous grown men can't control a HANDCUFFED suspect that's attempting to bite someone. We've already covered the kicking aspect of it all (in case YOU can't read).

You've obviously never been around a violent drunk man before have you?

OK, so if they had just pulled out half of his hair to keep his head back to detain him that would have been ok right? ANd if they had to put him in a choke hold (which may or may not be illegal) and he passed out from it -- that is ok to right? So long as they didn't hit the poor little defenseless handcuffed man -- you have got to be kidding me. I realize there are some bad cops, but you can't tie the hands of every officer from defending himself when the need arises.

Show me a video of the officers acting inappropriately and I won't argue with you at all, but if it is just his word against the officers -- my money is on the officers.