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Originally posted by beadcutterbytrade:
Here is why officers react the way they do...



http://video.foxnews.com/v/399...r-attack/?FORM=VIRE1


If that's the same link that was posted on another thread, it's definitely an eye opener. You can watch any "real" show on law enforcement and see that officers/jailers/public safety personnel go through a lot. There are definitely some evil people in this world. Officer or not...you have to be careful and expect the unexpected. What's the old saying...control the situation, don't let the situation control you.
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Originally posted by pooh's dad:
Are any of these nvolved the husband of the lady who shot the neighbor's dog? Why was this story covered up and why were no charges filed? I thought it was illegal to discharge firearm in the city. Also isn't there some ordinance about legal or illegal weapons? So much for outstanding police department!


NO, it doesn't involve the lady's husband. Why do you believe the story was covered up. What makes that particular story even news worthy? This lady was on her property and had every right to defend herself or her animal if she felt threatened. I have no idea why your legal or illegal weapons question would relate to this incident. Why wasn't the dog on a leash or in a fenced yard? If so, there wouldn't had been a need for the lady to protect herself! The citizens of Muscle Shoals are well protected, and they without a doubt have less crime than Tuscumbia, Sheffield, or Florence.


Please get your facts straight...Muscle Shoals does not have less crime than Tuscumbia. Out of the four Tuscumbia has the less. Check your numbers before speaking agaist other cities.
I do have to agree with you on why the "dog" incedent is coming up on this post. We should keep to the topic.


"Check your numbers before speaking ....." You've got to be kidding! Check WHAT numbers?
Where are you going to find "numbers" that speak the truth?
Why to you think Tuscumbia is the only city that DOES NOT allow the TimesDaily to publish their police reports? Tuscumbia uses the "pick and choose" system of listing one or two events on occassion - that's all. This makes it look as if there are no crimes going on here but residents know better.
There was a neighborhood meeting called after 31 robberies were committed in the east-end of town. And why wasn't the breaking and entering of a house just last week reported? The thieves cut the wires to disconnect the alarm system and the utilities meter reader discovered it several days later (owner out of town). Nothing was reported in news so as "not to alarm our citizens." We're quoting.
Good ole Bernie Delinskey knows NOT to publish the Tuscumbia crime scene reports or it'll put him "out of favor" with the mayor.
Oh yes, Muscle Shoals DOES have a lesser crime rate! Truth is, Tuscumbia refuses to record and/or report all their crime events such as breaking and entering, theft of property, domestic complaints, etc. After all, if it's not on the books it can't be published in the news nor included in state/national reports.
Ask those who live here and they'll tell you all about it but you won't see it in the news.
Muscle Shoals should wise up and keep as much as possible OFF the record.
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Originally posted by SickandTired!:
I can't even decide where to start! Let's see...First of all, all of you that can sit behind your computer screens and judge ANYONE'S actions,(especially when the S*** is hitting the fan),make me SICK! I am aware that every person has a right to their opinion and I'm also aware that you have a right to voice it, but so do I! I have kept my mouth shut as long as I possibly can! So sit back and read carefully. What do u think of when u hear the words, "To Serve and Protect"? Let me guess...that means what somebody else is gonna do for me while I sleep, eat, or sit on my ass watching TV! While you would be right, you only have half the story. You have no idea how much you take forgranted on a daily basis. Do you know why you get to tuck your kids in safely at night and lay your ungrateful heads down on a pillow and sleep without worries of outside harm? I do! It's called the Muscle Shoals Police Department. Where are all of your ungrateful selves when there is praise to be given? I don't SEE nor HEAR you on here or anywhere else for that matter. Those of u that think u have a clue what it takes (yes, on a dialy basis), to keep this city safe, let's see it! You get off your couch, put on your uniform, strap on your gun belt and let's not forget your badge, and leave your family at home to go and protect people you don't even know, and then have the way you do your job thrown back in your face! Every one of you that have posted against these men and women should be ashamed of yourselves! I feel sorry for you. You speak out of pure ignorance. I can assure you that the boots that these men and women put on every day and night are waaaay too big for you!
Blah! Blah! Blah!! give me a freakin break. are you kiddn' me. these folks are not GODS!! Peoples homes are still getting ran up in so everybody is not safe as you would like to think!!
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
"Where there is smoke, there is fire." Apparently there is neither smoke nor fire to this story...lacking substance and apparently evidence.


From what I've heard recently, this is far from over. It may not happen in the next few days, but I would expect to hear more about this in the coming weeks.
Well, I wasn't expecting anything in the paper quite so soon. It now appears that there is more to this than some expected or wanted us to believe. There apparently has to be some "fire" if there was enough in the report to turn over to the District Attorney. It will be interesting to see how things are handled from this point on.
Yes, it will be....BTW, Southern, it is standard procedure for everything to be turned over to the D.A., regardless of whether there is "fire" or not. I'm afraid several folks are about to be sadly disappointed. Sheldivr is quite correct, I think you will be shocked at the lack of smoke....or fire...b/c there is none. All the "rumors" you've been hearing are just that. Wink
Forwarding the completed investigation to the DA for review is just that nothing more. You can't draw any conclusions at this point. The DA will review the investigation and determine if there were any violations of civil or criminal law. If there were the DA will then decide to seek an indictment or not.

The PD will then decide if the incident was or was not in policy and then decide if discipline is warranted. It is possible for an incident to be out of policy but not meet the criteria of a civil or criminal law violation.

Releasing the videotape at this point could well jeopardize the DAs review of the case not to mention civil rights of the parties involved. It would serve no purpose other than to meet the purient needs of the public.
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Originally posted by I'mJustSaying:
Just because it was turned over to the DA doesn't mean anything Southern.... but its good to know you haven't changed any. LOL Beadcutter is right, its standard procedure - you should have known that. Wink


I haven't changed at all. I still want justice served...even if it's the boys in blue.
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I haven't changed at all. I still want justice served...even if it's the boys in blue.[/QUOTE]

Well, don't be too upset if the "boys in blue" still have a job after the dust settles. I don't know what the outcome will be (considering this is Muslce Shoals we are talking about....) but even IF you get the chance to gloat(you've seemed to be pulling for the suspect from the beginning) - I still support the officers' actions against the criminal.
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I haven't changed at all. I still want justice served...even if it's the boys in blue.


Well, don't be too upset if the "boys in blue" still have a job after the dust settles. I don't know what the outcome will be (considering this is Muslce Shoals we are talking about....) but even IF you get the chance to gloat(you've seemed to be pulling for the suspect from the beginning) - I still support the officers' actions against the criminal.[/QUOTE]


You support the police beating people?
We don't want law enforcement officers turning into some Capone type thugs. The lowlife that raped that child has hell knocking on his door. Nothing from this point on will take away the horror that the child experienced, but that man will face the same pain once in prison. They tend to frown upon those kind of people. He will be someone's puppy soon enough...
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Originally posted by I'mJustSaying:
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I haven't changed at all. I still want justice served...even if it's the boys in blue.


Well, don't be too upset if the "boys in blue" still have a job after the dust settles. I don't know what the outcome will be (considering this is Muslce Shoals we are talking about....) but even IF you get the chance to gloat(you've seemed to be pulling for the suspect from the beginning) - I still support the officers' actions against the criminal.[/QUOTE]

If these officers are found to be in the wrong, you won't see me gloat. Like I've said before, this is a mess that other officers will be left to clean up. This isn't about two lone officers, it's about the entire profession. This is about public trust. This is about dignity and professionalism. I don't want to see them arrested. I want to see them fired. I, along with others, want to see that the "good ole boy" ways of the past are gone. This is not a little incident...it's quite the big deal.
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You support the police beating people?[/QUOTE]

No, I don't support police beating people; however, if a suspect is kicking, biting and spitting on an officer, then I DO support an officer defending himself (and most of the time this involves something besides asking him nicely to stop) I have more respect for any public servant than I do some thug that shouldn't have been on the streets to begin with.
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. I want to see them fired.


ROFL At least you admitted it - after 15 pages of posts. Why didn't you just come out and say that? It seems you have a grudge towards "the whole profession". Bitter much? I have to wonder about anyone who seems to be in favor of the criminals. I wonder if he was a relative of yours?
No matter what happens with the officers involved.... they did the right thing. The man shouldn't have been out on the streets to begin with.
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Originally posted by Southern_Guy:
That story humors me every time you tell it.


Its almost as funny as trying to understand how you are on the side of a man with a criminal record that spit, bit and kicked at an officer that was just doing his job. Unless, like I suggested, you have had a bad experience with the law yourself. Wink
Who knows what will come of this incident... it will be a shame and disservice if the officers are fired- and I have a feeling even THAT won't be the end of it. "I'm just saying".
Bantering with you, Southern Guy, is getting old. I am beginning to figure out who you are. LOL So, it doesn't surprise me at the things you are saying.
Let's just wait and see how things play out, shall we?
This isn't a game of cops and robbers. This is real life and that man (with a criminal history) is entitled to the same rights that you and I are.

Why would someone waste one second of their precious life trying to figure out the identity of another that post on these forums? Is it some form of intimidation? I can honestly tell you that I don't say anything on here that I wouldn't say to them personally.

Those officers will only be fired if they did something wrong. How is that a disservice? The opposite seems to be more accurate.
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Originally posted by Southern_Guy:
This isn't a game of cops and robbers. This is real life and that man (with a criminal history) is entitled to the same rights that you and I are.

Why would someone waste one second of their precious life trying to figure out the identity of another that post on these forums? Is it some form of intimidation? I can honestly tell you that I don't say anything on here that I wouldn't say to them personally.

Those officers will only be fired if they did something wrong. How is that a disservice? The opposite seems to be more accurate.


I'm sorry, but a person that commits a crime, be it rape or drunk driving... does NOT deserve the same rights as someone who obeys the law. That is where the government has gotten screwed up lately... giving rights to people that do not deserve them. Once you break the law, that should forfeit your "rights".
And believe me, I didn't waste any more time in figuring out who you are than I have replying to your nonsense. Its funny you choose the word "intimidation" -- kind of describes how you must feel towards someone with a little power.
We all know people have been fired for unfair reasons, just as certain people have won certain elections that they shouldn't have. You act like this world is fair. Must be nice to live in your little bubble Southern Guy, passing judgment on things prematurely. If you WERE in law enforcement, I hope you aren't any longer... I would HATE to have you serving and protecting me, unless I was a criminal.
Now YOU are the one that is making ME laugh.
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I don't want to see them arrested. I want to see them fired.


That's where most of this is coming from anyway. Several people want these officers fired. But many are "good ole' boys" as you said who hold a grudge against at least one of the two officers. There is a reason this has not been allowed to die down. Those folks, including you, should save the drama for your mama and wait and see what happens. I guarantee you...and others...are gonna be disappointed.

There are people on here still harping and harping and harping...and HARPING about Tony Logan. BTW, I don't necessarily agree with all that happened but it is over and done and b@#$%*&! about it months after the fact is just...sad. And shows a true lack of leisure activities.
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But many are "good ole' boys" as you said who hold a grudge against at least one of the two officers.


I agree, beadcutter. Especially given who the initial complaint came from and other details that have seemed to changed "after the fact". And before you ask, Southern Guy -- I will not elaborate on that. Just wait. You'll see what I mean.

[QUOTE]I can guarantee you that this will be pushed higher than a state level [QUOTE]

Hey, I know... since Obama isn't too concerned about the Gulf, Southern Guy -- why don't you see if he'll come down here and take control of this case? I mean, since you think this will go higher than a state level and all. And if there isn't a firing that takes place, are YOU going to be the source of the fireworks? I mean, let me know if and when you plan to march outside the police station with your signs so I can come by and wave at you. Wink
By you saying you have zero respect for them, and seem to be pulling for the repeat drunk driver instead of the law officers that actually physically did something to get him off the streets (as opposed to the ones that stood around and watched instead of doing their job....) I am sure you have probably been on the wrong side of the law at one point and this might be where all the resentment comes from. I'm no Dr. Phil, but this is my guess.
In your last post, you were asking several questions... all of which you already know the answer to. Remember.. .just because a suspect is handcuffed doesn't mean he is compliant. These officers were kicked and spit on and bitten.... while the suspect was handcuffed. I hate having to repeat myself, but for you- I guess its necessary. I'll be glad when this is over just so you'll find some other post to pounce on.
Bottom line -- if in the end the officers were found of wrongdoing, then they should get whatever punishment is deemed, whether it is firing (I don't agree with that option) or a suspension.
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Originally posted by Southern_Guy:
I'm not going to be disappointed. I'm going to sit back and watch the fireworks if they don't get fired. I can guarantee you that this will be pushed higher than a state level. I don't hold a grudge against either of these officers. I have zero respect for them.


How can you guarantee that? If the DA's office and a grand jury don't indict -- and the ABI isn't already pressing charges -- how do you think you are going to get it any higher? Please enlighten me to the power behind that statement. BTW -- your "no respect" looks like vendetta to me.
Southern Guy, but you DO approve of law enforcement officers being spit on and kicked and bitten? Hmmmm.. interesting.
I feel as if you are baiting me with the question about the professionalism and derogatory remarks, but unfortunately I am not going to address what I know about that. I'm sure it will all come out soon enough. Its comical how you come across as having more power than the proper authorities. You say you don't hold a grudge, yet I have quoted you as saying "I want them fired" and "I guarantee this will be pushed higher than a state level".... dear sir, that sounds like a grudge to me.
I come across as if I have more power than the proper authorities? Cool....but that's not my intent. I'm simply stating what I've heard.....
I'm a man (notice the user name "Southern_Guy") and we all know that women (wife, girlfriend, etc...etc..) won't allow us power. I guess this is payment for the rib.

You think that I'm trying to "bait" you? Me?.....never! I'm trying to understand your logic. My eyes aren't completely shut...I will never agree with excessive force but hey, I don't mind hearing one's attempt to explain it.

I'm not convinced of the whole biting, kicking, spitting excuse but maybe...maybe....the spitting and/or the kicking (if it happened) was the result of the OC spray. Have you ever been sprayed? Well, it hurts. I couldn't imagine being handcuffed (movement restricted) and trying to deal with the effects of the spray. Let's put a good kick in the mix. You're sprayed with OC, handcuffed, you're probably screaming...they're probably screaming...you're on the ground and here it comes....*KICK*. Can you honestly tell me that all of that isn't a tad bit much for a drunk man surrounded by cops?
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Originally posted by Southern_Guy:
I come across as if I have more power than the proper authorities?


Actually, no, YOU don't come across as if you have more power that is the whole point. Unless you are with the ACLU or some other organization that will take up the issue -- which, if they were going too they already would be all over this like stink on crap -- but you talk the big talk all you wish. We'll see what happens when the Grand Jury gets it.
I was only referring to your (Southern Guy) statement about guaranteeing this going higher than state level.... I mean, seems if the DA/grand jury finds them non guilty -- that should be the end of it.. right?
And do you have your sequence of events correct? I mean, why was the suspect sprayed? I doubt he was sprayed because he was complying with orders to get out of the car, right? This wasn't just some drunk guy.... he was COMBATIVE.
I love animals, but I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here.
I agree with Eastside.... why not just wait to see what the outcome is. I can wait it out.. can you, Southern Guy? (after all, YOU are the one that kicks this thread back up....)

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