To my Christian Friend, O No!,

Your post in Deep's long running post "Praying For Rain" made me realize that I owe you a public apology.   This is my public apology to you.  Your post made me realize that I do need to clear the air on several issues:

You tell Chick, "Semi, I DID mention the way Bill has accused people of being cultists when they disagree with him.  I am comparing Unob to Bill because HE does the same thing."

First, to clarify, I do not call any church, or person, a CULT just because they disagree with me.  I do it only when their teachings deny Jesus Christ, God, or the Trinity -- or all three.

 

Over the years, the only churches I have declared to be CULT churches are those that teach a different Jesus Christ.  This is true of the Mormon church, which teaches that Jesus Christ is a created being and NOT the preexisting deity of John 1:1.   The Mormon church also teaches that God is not preexisting; but, was at one time a man, just like you (well, not you in that sense) and me.   Then, this Mormon man grew in stature until he was an exalted man -- and then, became God.  That is CULT teaching.

The Jehovah's Witnesses do not recognize Jesus Christ as God; but, that before He came to earth, He was Michael the archangel.   They deny the Trinity and have created their own bible, the New World Translation which teaches that Jesus Christ is a god, but, not God.  No one can deny this is a CULT church.

The Unitarian Universalist church is a CULT church -- there, one does not even have to believe in God.

So, when I have labeled a church as cult -- it is for these reasons.   Do you disagree with this?

Then, you tell Chick, "Yes, Bill called me a new ager.  And Unob is now calling me a fundie.  Now, Bill KNOWS I am not a new ager, and Unob knows I am not a fundie."

This is my main reason for a public post to the entire Religion Forum.  For a long time, I frequently confused you with B50 -- not that I thought you were the same person -- but, that I often confused, in my memory, who posted what in earlier years.  When B50 wrote that she is a Wiccan Christian -- for some reason I always seemed to think it was you who had written this.

So, for this wee bit of confusion on my part -- I DO SINCERELY APOLOGIZE!

 

Back to the cult issue for a moment.  While I have often disagreed with Vic, David, VP, and other Roman Catholic Friends -- I have never called the Roman Catholic church a cult.  I disagree with that church on many issues -- but, there are born-again Christian believers in the Roman Catholic church, just as there are born-again believers in the Protestant churches.  And, in both, there are many who are not born-again believers.  Yet, in the true cult churches, there are no born-again believers -- or they would not be there.


And, you tell Chick,  "(We have discussed things like evolution and g a y rights often enough for him (Uno) to know that I believe in both those things.  Do fundies?  Of course not.)  When Bill has mischaracterized me, I've always protested and set him straight.  Why should I not do the same with Unob?"

Well, here is where you and I do walk a different path.  We still are, and always will be, Christian brother and sister.  But, you have chosen to walk the Liberal Theology path and I will stay on the Conservative Theology path.

In heaven, we will have an eternity to discuss the differences and have a good laugh -- even though I am right!   

I am just kidding!  So, before Chick and Jennifer start huffing and puffing, jumping up and down with joy (for joy, not with Joy) -- let  me emphasize -- ONLY KIDDING, GIRLS!!

Once again, O No, I do apologize for the many times I have confused you and B50.  You are my Christian sister -- and, I pray, one day B50 will be also.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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We're good, Bill. I know that we will always disagree on some things, but we ARE both Christians, and that DOES make us brother and sister.

 

And even though we disagree, perhaps we can show some of the others on this forum that it is possible to disagree, and disagree STRONGLY sometimes, without getting nasty about it.

 

Bill, there HAVE been times that you and I were REALLY nasty to each other. Remember the Kleenex cartoon? And of course, how could you forget the way I followed you around the forum demanding that you admit you were working for Satan? I know I apologized for that before, and you graciously accepted that apology. I now accept YOUR apology.

 

That's what Christians DO - we forgive, as we have been forgiven.

 

I know I'll get a lot of flack from some here on the forum. They have been trying to insult me lately by comparing me to YOU, Bill. And although I am not a fundamentalist so their claim is innacurate, being compared to a man who loves his Lord is a compliment.

 

God bless you too, Bill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

O No, do you think Bill is correct in his harsh judgment, the way he mocks, the lack of compassion & love for others on this forum, the way he makes fun of all of us?

Did you notice his mocking of me & Jennifer (?) with his "huffing and puffing, jumping up and down" statement?

 

I'm sorry, but the way I see it, Bill is not a Christian. If you believe he is, where is the good fruit that a Christian is supposed to bear?

 

LOL Bill.  I cannot see how you did that one. Glad you apologized to ONO for even thinking she could be the horrible person that I am.

 

Whew, she might have gone to hell on my account.

 

Now that would be bad.

 

Of course in my Christian/Druid/Wiccan/New Age world, we only have meditation and weenie roasts after death.

 

Hahahahaha

quote:  Originally Posted by b50m:

LOL Bill.  I cannot see how you did that one. Glad you apologized to ONO for even thinking she could be the horrible person that I am.   Whew, she might have gone to hell on my account.    Now that would be bad.   Of course in my Christian/Druid/Wiccan/New Age world, we only have meditation and weenie roasts after death.   Hahahahaha


Hi B,

 

My Friend, I wrote my apology to set things straight with U No -- not to put you down in any way.  What I wrote is the truth.  For a long time, I often confused what you wrote and what U No wrote -- and, wrongly attributed to her your statement about being a Wiccan Christian.

 

I don't know if it was you or not -- but, several years ago I had a running dialogue with a lady on the Religion Forum who assured us that she was a Wiccan Christian -- and she was serious.  She told us about their coven meetings, their rituals, etc. -- and continued to claim she was Christian.

 

I suppose that when you chose to make the same claim last year, I thought you were her.   And, I thought we were just picking up our past dialogue.  It would appear that you are not that lady -- for you tell us you are not a Christian; while she continued to claim she was a Christian.

 

B, I was wrong to attribute the New Age religion you claimed to U No.  It would have been just as wrong to have confused her with a Roman Catholic, or any other belief -- for that is not her.  In doing this, I, in no way, said you are a bad person.  What I have said, and I will stand by it -- is that any and all New Age religions are wrong.  They are not Christian.

 

So, before, when you claimed to be a Wiccan Christian, I called you on it.  You later told us you were only kidding.  Okay, I can buy that.  But, I still am concerned that you tell us you are NOT a Christian believer.   Does this make you a bad person?   No.  But, unless you change your direction and begin to follow Jesus Christ -- you do not have eternal life in Christ.

 

Why is this so important?  Well, if you are a Christ Follower, you will spend eternity in the presence of God.  If you choose to not be a Christ Follower, you will spend eternity NOT in the presence of God.  If one is not in the presence of God in heaven -- there is only one other possible eternal destination.  And, you and I both know that is hell.

 

So, B, it is not a matter of whether you are a good person or a bad person.  It is only a matter of whether you are a saved person or an unsaved person. 

 

You tell us you are not a Christian at this time.  I pray that you will choose to change that.  I sincerely would like to meet you in heaven one day.  Then, you, U No, and I can laugh about this for eternity.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Wow, Dark! Bill didn't write that to put you down in any way, but what he wrote is the truth.

 

 

Huh?  Are you talking to me? I am confused. Maybe you meant to say B?

 

How are you this morning Semi? Hope you have a great day. The sun is shining and the birds are chirping....I think I may start singing Disney tunes soon. LOL Or maybe some Mr. Rodgers. "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...."

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Wow, Dark! Bill didn't write that to put you down in any way, but what he wrote is the truth.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

Huh?  Are you talking to me? I am confused. Maybe you meant to say B?

How are you this morning Semi? Hope you have a great day. The sun is shining and the birds are chirping....I think I may start singing Disney tunes soon. LOL Or maybe some Mr. Rodgers. "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...."

 

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Duh!!! Maybe I need to go back to bed.

I deleted the post & made it right. For some reason, I couldn't edit it.

I'm good. It's a beautiful day, I love this weather.

Hope you have a good day.

Originally Posted by O No!:

 

And even though we disagree, perhaps we can show some of the others on this forum that it is possible to disagree, and disagree STRONGLY sometimes, without getting nasty about it.

 

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I will hold my breath until I see that or any other resemblance of "Christian Love" from you or Bill.  <whoop . . . . . . blowwwww> Sorry, can't do it.

 

Give it up, Ono.  You guys are no more Christian than I am.  

 

 

Originally Posted by b50m:

It's all good Bill.  It doesn't bother me what you wrote.

No, I am not a Christian. I'm not Druid, Wiccan or New Age either.

My faith and beliefs don't have a convenient pigeon hole.

But I'm fine, thanks for asking.

It's none of Bill's business, b, but you have a good attitude.

quote:  Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
quote:  Originally Posted by b50m:

It's all good Bill.  It doesn't bother me what you wrote.  No, I am not a Christian. I'm not Druid, Wiccan or New Age either.  My faith and beliefs don't have a convenient pigeon hole.  But I'm fine, thanks for asking.

It's none of Bill's business, b, but you have a good attitude.

Hi Chick,

 

A good attitude, and $2, will get you a cup of coffee -- but, it will not get you nor anyone else into heaven.  All the good deeds, all the good thoughts, all the magnificent efforts mean nothing if you have not asked Him to be your personal Lord and Savior before that last breath.

 

Yes, there will be many folks in hell who have done many good deeds.  And, there will be many folks in heaven who have done many bad deeds.  So, what is the difference?

 

Glad you asked.  The folks in heaven are those who chose, through their God-given "free will" to turn away from the world which had made those bad deeds attractive and turned to follow Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior (Revelation 3:20).

 

The folks in hell are those who continued to follow the world, who continued to either deny God or to ignore God until they breathed their last breath -- and, then, it was too late.  I pray that you, Chick, B, and all our non-believing Forum Friends will not allow that to happen; but, will, by grace, through faith, become a Christ Follower.  I would love to fellowship with all of you in heaven.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by O No!:

 

And even though we disagree, perhaps we can show some of the others on this forum that it is possible to disagree, and disagree STRONGLY sometimes, without getting nasty about it.

 

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I will hold my breath until I see that or any other resemblance of "Christian Love" from you or Bill.  <whoop . . . . . . blowwwww> Sorry, can't do it.

 

Give it up, Ono.  You guys are no more Christian than I am.  

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So, is THAT why you're an atheist, Unob? So YOU don't have to show "Christian love"?

 

 

 

Bill your a liar.

You say,

"Over the years, the only churches I have declared to be CULT churches are those that teach a different Jesus Christ. This is true of the Mormon church, which teaches that Jesus Christ is a created being and NOT the preexisting deity of John 1:1. The Mormon church also teaches that God is not preexisting; but, was at one time a man, just like you (well, not you in that sense) and me. Then, this Mormon man grew in stature until he was an exalted man -- and then, became God. That is CULT teaching. "

In John 1:1 it says,"

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. How in the world do you figure I don't believe this. Maybe you have a different interpretation of this verse than the rest of man-kind. What does it mean to preexist?

Let's start with Pre-

pre-

 

  

prefix

 

1.

 

before, earlier

preschool

predate

 

2.

 

in advance, preparatory

presell

prerelease

 

3.

 

in front of

premolar

 

[< Latin prae "in front, before" < Indo-European]

Next we have exist-

ex·ist

 

  

ex·ist

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(past and past participle ex·ist·ed, present participle ex·ist·ing, 3rd person present singular ex·ists)

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be:

to be, especially to be a real, actual, or current thing, not merely something imagined or written about

To preexist before the earth, before the universe. What part of this do you disagree with Bill? Jesus and the Father are Preexisting, before the creation of the Universe. Where do you disagree Bill?

Then Bill you say we believe that God was once man. Do you have all the knowledge of God? Are you a Deity? Do you really believe God put everything in the Bible that he knows and is? My belief is that God put in the Bible what is pertain ate to us. We allready know that Jesus was once Man/God.

Remember we are created in his Image.

In Genisis 1-

26 ¶And God said, Let

usmakeman in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own

image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.





So Bill quick question for ya. If we were created in Gods image, why does God have the form that we are? Meaning, Our bodies are designed to be functional in our world/ environment. We have hands to grasp and pick things up. We have feet and legs to propel us upon the face of this earth. We have eyes, a nose and ears to hear. These senses are pertain ate to a physical life. How do you explain this away Bill? you can't. It's in the scripture that we are made in his(their) image. Believe it or not Bill, there are infinite things that even you don't know. As I have asked before, why do you not believe there wasn't any rain before Noah? The Universe is infinite and is operating on eternal principals. With vast Oceans upon the earth, how was there no rain? How do you explain how the land was watered. Did Adam and Eve run around with Buckets that didn't exist at the time? Oh thats right the great mist that surrounded the earth. I'm sorry but there is evidence of ancient deserts long before the existance of man. I believe that God created this earth over billions of years. This was all nessesary to prepare this world with all the resourses that we use. Where do you find this no rain in the Holy Bible (any version)? Answer; you don't. You are a Cult unto yourself. Your Church is a Cult because they must believe as you do. Your Church has no authority of God only of your self appointed leaders. Keep praying my brother maybe someday you'll learn the truth and shun your cultist ways.

 

Skippy









Hi Skippy,

 

Okay, let's clear the air.  Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the "preexisting" eternal God as we are told in John 1:1 -- that He is God, that He has always existed and was not created?

 

Do you believe John 4:24, "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth"  or, is this Scripture verse not true?

 

Or, do you believe Joseph Smith, who wrote:  


"God himself was one as we are now, and is an exalted man. . . I say to you, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form. . . like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man. . . He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on earth (Joseph Smith, "History of the Church" - vol 6, page 305).   

 

And, maybe you believe that YOU can be a god, as Joseph Smith wrote:

 

"Here then is eternal life. . . to know the only wise and true God, and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you. . . To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of God"  (Joseph Smith, "History of the Church" - vol 6, page 306). 

 

So, what is it, Skippy, do you agree with the Bible that God:  Father, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit -- is our preexisting deity, who always was, and will always be -- the one and only God?

 

Or, do you believe Mormonism that there is not one God; but, that there are many gods -- who were all, at one time, men -- just like you and me -- who became exalted, then, became gods?

 

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the preexisting deity, God the Son, who has existed eternally -- or is He a created being, born of sexual flesh between one of your Mormon gods and the virgin Mary?

 

A simple yes or no answer to these questions will suffice.   Is it the Bible?  Or, is it Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon?   NO DANCING, PLEASE!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Okay Bill we agree on point one. You say,

1. “Okay, let's clear the air. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the "preexisting" eternal God as we are told in John 1:1 -- that He is God, that He has always existed and was not created?”

On to point two. You ask’

2. “Do you believe John 4:24, "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth" or, is this Scripture verse not true?

Or, do you believe Joseph Smith, who wrote:

"God himself was one as we are now, and is an exalted man. . . I say to you, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form. . . like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man. . . He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on earth"(Joseph Smith, "History of the Church" - vol 6, page 305).”

 

     Here we disagree. In John 4: 23 and 24 it says,

23. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

     God communicates to us through his spirit. You yourself said you believe they (The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost) are as one. I agree they are as One. One in purpose, One in Power and Authority. But are three different individuals. The Holy Spirit is our communication source to The Father and His Son. God is a Spirit but he is also Flesh and Bones. Again I ask you if God created us in His Image.

     Again Genesis 1:26 and 27

  

26. ¶And God said, Let

usmakeman in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27. So God created man in his own

image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Why again I ask YOU, are we created in his Image? Why is he in the form of this Image with Hands and Feet? A nose and a mouth. Ears? What purpose is our Image to a God that can create with the power of his Priesthood? He needs no hands, no feet, no eyes, ears, nor a nose. Why Bill, Why? Yes God Created this Universe and is Immortal as we will be after our resurrection. He(God ) may or may not have been man at one time in a different Universe, I don’t know positively, nor do you.

 

On to point three. Then you say,

3. “And, maybe you believe that YOU can be a god, as Joseph Smith wrote:

"Here then is eternal life. . . to know the only wise and true God, and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you. . . To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of God"

(Joseph Smith, "History of the Church" - vol 6, page 306).

So, what is it, Skippy, do you agree with the Bible that God: Father, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit -- is our preexisting deity, who always was, and will always be -- the one and only God?”

 

I believe that will never be a God. I have only One God The Father, One God The Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit(Ghost) as their intermediate between Deity and Man. The Father is Eternal as is His Son Jesus Christ. They in Harmony with the Elements Created the Universe. Again I have no other Gods.

I do not take everything that Christ’s Prophets have said in their lives on this Earth as Gospel unless it was committed to Holy Scripture. They were just Men and had their own views on many things that were not of God. The History of the Church is not Gospel. And as far as what Joseph said about God being Man on Earth, I know for a fact if this is so it was a different earth in a Universe he didn’t create.

 

On to point four.

   Bill you say,

4. “Or, do you believe Mormonism that there is not one God; but, that there are many gods -- who were all, at one time, men -- just like you and me -- who became exalted, then, became gods?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the preexisting deity, God the Son, who has existed eternally -- or is He a created being, born of sexual flesh between one of your Mormon gods and the virgin Mary?"

 

     Jesus was born of Mary, Fact. Jesus was of Flesh and Blood, Fact. Joseph was not the Biological Father, Fact. Jesus was born in this World in the Image of His Father in Heaven as was every Man and Women upon this Earth, Fact. Jesus was not conceived by a sexual act, get your mind out of the sewer. Jesus was Conceived by the Holy Spirit of the Father. Jesus was born as a boy and grew to a Man. He was God and Man while he was upon this Earth. He now along with his Father fully God with a Glorified Body of Flesh and Bones. No Blood as we know it.

  There is no Mormonism except in your own mind. My Church is The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter day Saints. Not Mormonism. I have two Gods, The Father and His Son Jesus Christ. The Creators of the Universe. Where God originally came from, I nor you know. It doesn’t say where our Creator comes from in the Bible or the Book of Mormon.

These Scriptures are for man to live by and are what we need to know, nothing more. As far as your final spill below the Bible and the Book of Mormon do not clash, they are complementary to each other. The Bible was about the Lord’s Ministry in the Holy Land.

The Book of Mormon is About his Ministry to the American Continents. Why would God not send his Son to both sides of the Earth? Now Dance free respond and follow up on direct questions I ask without Dancing around and changing the subject. And Again Where in the Holy Bible does it state no rain before Noah? I mean Really can you esplain this one? The great mist? Esplain! 

 

Skippy

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Chick,

A good attitude, and $2, will get you a cup of coffee -- but, it will not get you nor anyone else into heaven.

 

 The folks in heaven are those who chose, through their God-given "free will" to turn away from the world which had made those bad deeds attractive and turned to follow Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior

I pray that you, Chick, B, and all our non-believing Forum Friends will not allow that to happen

Bill

Bill, there you go again putting words in my mouth. Where did I say a good attitude would get anyone into Heaven? You can't show me because I didn't say it. But you should try having a good attitude.

 

Just saying you're following Jesus Christ doesn't get it & won't get you through those pearly gates.

 

The Bible says that on judgement day men will say "Lord Lord, did we not prophecy in your name, And God will say, Depart, I never knew you".

Bill, if you ever really decide to pray outside of habit, you should ask Him to give you the wisdom & discernment of the Spirit.

 

Hi Chick,

You tell me, "Bill, there you go again putting words in my mouth.  Where did I say a good attitude would get anyone into Heaven?  You can't show me, because I didn't say it.  But you should try having a good attitude."

Well, Chick, when B50 told me, "It's all good Bill.  It doesn't bother me what you wrote.  No, I am not a Christian.  I'm not Druid, Wiccan, or New Age either.  My faith and beliefs don't have a convenient pigeon hole.  But I'm fine, thanks for asking."

And, when you jumped in with, "It's none of Bill's business, B, but you have a good attitude." -- just what did you mean?  B50 and I were talking about her not being a Christian.  What is the benefit of being a Christian?  A person is saved and will spend eternity in the presence of God -- in heaven.

So, since she and I were speaking of Christianity -- and you jumped in with "but you have a good attitude" -- what would that mean except that she can go to heaven regardless of the fact that she is not a Christian?  That, I believe, is what most people -- except you, Jennifer, and Vic -- would think when reading your comment.  Of course, Jimi will jump in with his four word sentences just so folks will not forget him.

So, if you were not referring to B50's attitude getting her into heaven -- what were you saying?

Then, Chick, you tell me, "Just saying you're following Jesus Christ doesn't get it & won't get you through those pearly gates."

True, just saying the words plus $2 will get one a cup of coffee.  However, confessing Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior (Romans 10:9-10) will result in salvation.  Is it really that simple?  Well, we are told in Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

So, Chick, yes -- I would say it is just that simple, that easy, to become a Christian believer.  Of course, once one becomes a Christian believer -- the road is not always smooth.  Look at me, I have so many bumps on my spiritual head from stones thrown by non-believers, and those who just love to argue, that I am running out of space for new bumps.

Chick, you preach to us, "The Bible says that on judgment day men will say 'Lord Lord, did we not prophecy in your name, And God  will say, Depart, I never knew you.' "

You, of course, are referring to Matthew 7:21-29 -- which, in my Bible, is subtitled:  Profession Versus Confession.

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Study Guide for Matthew 7
Pastor David Guzik, Director of Calvary Chapel Bible College, Germany
http://www.blueletterbible.org...thew&ar=Mat_7_22


4. (21-23) Jesus challenges every disciple to take heed to his own salvation.


Matthew 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the  will of My Father in heaven.  Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast  out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'  And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' "


a. Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven:  The people who Jesus speaks of here make a proper verbal confession, calling Jesus Lord.  This is vital, but never enough by itself.

b. Who says to Me . . . will say to Me in that day:  It is staggering that Jesus freely claims He will be the one people must stand before on that final day of judgment, and He is the one who is rightly called Lord.

c. The people Jesus speaks of here have impressive spiritual accomplishments.  They have prophesied, cast out demons, and have done many wonders.  These are wonderful things, but they mean nothing without true fellowship.


i. Jesus does not seem to doubt their claims of doing the miraculous. He doesn’t say, "You didn’t really prophesy or cast out demons or do miracles."  This leads us to understand that sometimes miracles are granted through pretended believers, reminding us that in the final analysis, miracles prove nothing.

ii. Significantly, they even did these things in the name of Jesus.  Yet, they never really had a relationship of love and fellowship with Jesus.


d. I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!  In the end, there is one basis of salvation.  It isn’t mere verbal confession, not "spiritual works," but knowing Jesus and being known by Him.


i. In addition, these are not people who lost their salvation.  Instead, they never truly had it (I never knew you).

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Finally, Chick, you tell me, "Bill, if you ever really decide to pray outside of habit, you should ask Him to give you the wisdom & discernment of the Spirit."

Believe me, my Friend, aside from His protection and blessing upon my family -- there is nothing I pray for more than wisdom and discernment.  And, that applies to my writings also.  I cannot tell you how many times I have sat to write -- and come up blank.   Then, I realize that I began without God.  So, I stop, pray and ask His guidance -- and, viola!, I complete my writing task.  Prayer is amazing!  And, trying to go the road without talking with Him first -- is like trying to navigate through the wilderness without a guide.

But, I am not sure what you mean when you say, "Bill, if you ever really decide to pray outside of habit. . ."  Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by this?  Getting into the habit of praying is certainly not a bad thing.  Matter of fact, if more people got into the habit of praying -- this world would be a much better place.

The only other habit I can think of is what the Roman Catholic nuns wear -- and I have never tried to wear one of those.  Although, I will say that, in the late 1960s, early 1970s, when the nuns started wearing street clothes -- I missed their habits.  My friend had a son in the Roman Catholic church school in Orange, California.  When I would go there to pick him up -- I could not tell the nuns from the lay teachers.  And, that made me somewhat sad -- as though their stature had been somewhat lowered.  But, I am sure this is not the type of habit you have in mind.

Anyway, my Friend, I pray that I have cleared up any misunderstanding we may have had -- and that we can go forward from here.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Hi Skippy,

 

You tell me, "He (Jesus Christ) now along with his Father fully God with a Glorified Body of Flesh and Bones."

 

Please show us, in the Bible, where God ever had or has a body of flesh and bone.  No, I am not speaking of God the Son, Jesus Christ -- I am speaking of, as you said, the Father.  Please show us, in the Bible -- any place where we are told that God the Father ever was, is, or will be -- flesh and bone.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Skippy,

 

You tell me, "He (Jesus Christ) now along with his Father fully God with a Glorified Body of Flesh and Bones."

 

Please show us, in the Bible, where God ever had or has a body of flesh and bone.  No, I am not speaking of God the Son, Jesus Christ -- I am speaking of, as you said, the Father.  Please show us, in the Bible -- any place where we are told that God the Father ever was, is, or will be -- flesh and bone.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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         Bill I know you have a hard time understanding things on your own. Again your thoughts of the Kick Boxing Baby in a Diaper as a ****ographic pedophiliac image puts all your judgment in question. Your belief of no rain before Noah also puts your interpretations of the Bible in question.

         I explained my belief pretty thorough in my above post. Knowing now that you can’t comprehend things very well, I’ll explain again very slooowly.

         No the fact that God Himself has a Glorified Body of flesh and bones is not in the Holy Bible. It also says nothing about your theory of no rain before Noah. God told us nothing about the creation other than in Genesis 1:1 

          “In the

beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

         The Holy Bible tells us no more than we need to know. It is a Guide Book of the way we need to live our lives. The Bible tells us nothing of how God has done and dose the things he does. But it does tell us that we were created in the Image of God. We read

in Genesis 1: 26 and 27,

          26 ¶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

          27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

          Let’s break this down. Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.   So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female

          So we read in the Bible that man and woman is created in God’s and his Son’s image, correct? If God is Spirit as you and others claim he is, why does he have this form as we are. For we were created in his image, correct? The bible tells us so. Why would God as a Spirit form need the form that we are? We use our feet and legs to propel us upon the face of this Physical Earth. We use are hands and arms to grasp and pick up things. To feed ourselves. Our teeth are used to chew food so that we may digest it. Our ears are created as organic microphones. Our eyes are organic video lenses so we can see our physical surroundings.  In two scriptures it tells us of Noah actually walking with God because of his righteousness.

          Genesis 6:9

9 ¶These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

          Moses 8:27

27 And thus Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord; for Noah was a just man, and perfect in his generation; and he walked with God, as did also his three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

          As a Spirit God would have no need for the physical attributes that the Human Body does. God created the Universe with the Power of the Priesthood. He allows use His Children to use the Holy Priesthood for God’s purposes. God’s purposes is for the benefit of Man/ Womankind. The Holy Priesthood when held by Man is actually the authority to act in God’s stead. Back to the point, God created Man/ Woman in His Image. This Image of ours would have no purpose as a Spirit. So YES God and His Son Jesus Christ have Body of flesh and bones. It does say that His Son Jesus Christ has a Resurrected Body of flesh and bones as we read in Luke 24:

          38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do

thoughts arise in your hearts?

          39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

          So Bill read this again and again and then tell me Christ has no Body of Flesh and Bones. We were created in God’s Image and His Son has a Body of Flesh and Bones, the Bible tells us so. So I conclude that Both God and His Son Jesus Christ have a Body of Flesh and Bones.

 

Skippy

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