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of course, any thread is open to anyone. but with as many requests from the non-believers for a 'religious' section , so that us 'fanatics' would roost here, you'd think they'd pass us by.

welcome ya'll, God is glad to see your interest here. and most of us are as well. just please take your Godly disrespect elsewhere. after all, you knew it was 'religious' before you tapped in. Cool
Hi Fish,

I have often wondered how Atheists did their worship service. Thanks for the educational update.

Also, I am happy to see you finally acknowledge that you have a religion -- by becoming a poster on the Religion Forum.

In my attempt to know more about your religion; I found the drawing below which is from a William Jennings Bryan book "Seven Questions In Dispute." It seems to pretty well define your atheist religious beliefs.

Isn't it wonderful to see things back to normal once more. Touche, my Friend.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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It has always seemed a little morbid to wear the very thing used to murder their savior around their neck.


Truly. It's a torture device. In fact, one of the most widely used, horrendous devices ever conceived of by man. To me, is has become as offensive as if someone were to wear a gold gas chamber around their neck.
i found this to be interesting .its about the true origin of the cross!!!

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THE CROSS


A tradition of the Church which our fathers have inherited, was the adoption of the words "cross" and "crucify".

These words are nowhere to be found in the Greek of the New Testament. These words are mistranslations, a "later rendering", of the Greek words stauros and stauroo. Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words says, "STAUROS denotes, primarily, an upright pole or stake ... Both the noun and the verb stauroo, to fasten to a stake or pole, are originally to be distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two-beamed cross.

The shape of the latter had its origin in ancient Chaldea (Babylon), and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) ... By the middle of the 3rd century A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith.

In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross piece lowered, was adopted .

Dr. Bullinger, in the Companion Bible, appx. 162, states, "crosses were used as symbols of the Babylonian Sun-god ... It should be stated that Constantine was a Sun-god worshipper ... The evidence is thus complete, that the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, and not on two pieces of timber placed at any angle."

Rev. Alexander Hislop, The Two Babylons, pp. 197-205, frankly calls the cross "this Pagan symbol ... the Tau, the sign of the cross, the indisputable sign of Tammuz, the false Messiah ... the mystic Tau of the Cladeans (Babylonians) and Egyptians - the true original form of the letter T the initial of the name of Tammuz ... the Babylonian cross was the recognised emblem of Tammuz."

In the Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th edition, vol. 14, p. 273, we read, "In the Egyption churches the cross was a pagan symbol of life borrowed by the Christians and interpreted in the pagan manner." Jacob Grimm, in his Deutsche Mythologie, says that the Teutonic (Germanic) tribes had their idol Thor, symbolised by a hammer, while the Roman Christians had their crux (cross). It was thus somewhat easier for the Teutons to accept the Roman Cross.

Greek dictionaries, lexicons and other study books also declare the primary meaning of stauros to be an upright pale, pole or stake. The secondary meaning of "cross" is admitted by them to be a "later" rendering. At least two of them do not even mention "cross", and only render the meaning as "pole or stake".

In spite of this strong evidence and proof that the word stauros should have been translated "stake", and the verb stauroo to have been translated "impale", almost all the common versions of the Scriptures persist with the Latin Vulgate's crux (cross), a fallacious "later" rendering of the Greek stauros. Why then was the "cross" (crux) brought into the Faith?

Again, historical evidence points to Constantine as the one who had the major share in uniting Sun-worship and the Messianic Faith. Constantine's famous vision of "the cross superimposed on the sun", in the year 312, is usually cited. Writers, ignorant of the fact that the cross was not to be found in the New Testament Scriptures, put much emphasis on this vision as the onset of the so-called "conversion" of Constantine. But, unless Constantine had been misguided by the Gnostic Manichean half-Christians, who indeed used the cross in their hybrid religion, this vision of the cross superimposed on the sun could only be the same old cosmic religion, the astrological religion of Babylon. The fact remains: that which Constantine saw, is nowhere to be found in Scripture.

We read in the book of Johannes Geffcken, The Last Days of Greco-Roman Paganism, p.319, "that even after 314 A.D. the coins of Constantine show an even-armed cross as a symbol for the Sun-god." Many scholars have doubted the "conversion" of Constantine because of the wicked deeds that he did afterwards, and because of the fact that he only requested to be baptized on his death-bed many years later, in the year 337. So, if the vision of the cross impressed him, and was used as a rallying symbol, it could not have been in honour of Yahushúa, because Constantine continued paying homage to the Sun-deity and to one of the Sun-deity's symbols, the cross.

This continuation of Sun-worship by Constantine is of by his persistent use of images of the Sun-deity on his coins that were issued by him up to the year 323. Secondly, the fact of his motivation to issue his Sunday-keeping edict in the year 321, which was not done in honour of Yahushúa, but was done because of the "venerable day of the Sun", as the edict read, is proof of this continued allegiance to Sol Invictus. We shall expand on this later.

Where did the cross come from, then? J.C. Cooper, An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols, p. 45, aptly summarises it, "Cross - A universal symbol from the most remote times; it is the cosmic symbol par excellence." Other authorities also call it a sun-symbol, a Babylonian sun-symbol, an astrological Babylonian-Assyrian and heathen run-symbol, also in the form of an encircled cross referred to as a "solar wheel", and many other varieties of crosses. Also, "the cross represents the Tree of Life", the age-old fertility symbol, combining the vertical male and horizontal female principles, especially in Egypt, either as an ordinary cross, or better known in the form of the crux ansata, the Egyptian ankh (sometimes called the Tau cross), which had been carried over into our modern-day symbol of the female, well known in biology.

As stated above, the indisputable sign of Tammuz, the mystic Tau of the Babylonians and Egyptians, was brought into the Church chiefly because of Constantine, and has since been adored with all the homage due only to the Most High.

The Protestants have for many years refrained from undue adoration of, or homage to the cross, especially in England at the time of the Puritans in the 16th - 17th centuries. But lately this un-Scriptural symbol has been increasingly accepted in Protestantism.

We have previously discussed "the weeping for Tammuz", and the similarity between the Easter resurrection and the return or rising of Tammuz. Tammuz was the young incarnate Sun, the Sun-divinity incarnate. This same Sun-deity, known amongst the Babylonians as Tammuz, was identified with the Greek Adonis and with the Phoenician Adoni,96 all of them Sun-deities, being slain in winter, then being "wept for", and their return being celebrated by a festivity in spring, while some had it in summer - according to the myths of pagan idolatry.

The evidence for its pagan origin is so convincing that The Catholic Encyclopedia admits that "the sign of the cross, represented in its simplest form by a crossing of two lines at right angles, greatly antedates, in both East and the West, the introduction of Christianity. It goes back to a very remote period of human civilization." It then continues and revers to the Tau cross of the pagan Egyptians, "In later times the Egyptian Christians (Copts), attracted by its form, and perhaps by its symbolism, adopted it as the emblem of the cross."98 Further proof of its pagan origin is the recorded evidence of the Vestal Virgins of pagan Rome having the cross hanging on a necklace,99 and the Egyptians doing it too, as early as the 15th century B.C.E.100 The Buddhists, and


Ancient Egyptian Rot-n-no priests. Note the crosses on the robe, and hanging from their necks.

Numerous other sects of India, also used the sign of the cross as a mark on their followers' heads. "The cross thus widely worshipped, or regarded as a 'sacred emblem', was the unequivocal symbol of Bacchus, the Babylonian Messiah, for he was represented with a head-band covered with crosses. "It was also the symbol of Jupiter Foederis in Rome.103 Furthermore, we read of the cross on top of the temple of Serapis,104 the Sun-deity of Alexandria.


This is Tammuz, whom the Greeks called Bacchus, with the crosses on his head-band.

After Constantine had the "vision of the cross", he and his army promoted another variety of the cross, the Chi-Rho or Labarum or sometimes . This has subsequently been explained as representing the first letters of the name Christos, the being the Greek for "Ch" and the being the Greek for "r". but again, this emblem had a pagan origin. The identical symbols were found as inscriptions on a rock, dating from the year ca. 2 500 B.C., being interpreted as "a combination of two Sun-symbols", as the Ax or Hammer-symbol of the Sun- or Sky-deity, and the or as the ancient symbol of the Sun, both of these signs having a sensual or fertility meaning as well.

Another proof of its pagan origin is the identical found on a coin of Ptolemeus III from the year 247 - 222 B.C. A well-known encyclopaedia describes the Labarum (Chi-Rho) as, "The labarum was also an emblem of the Chaldean (Babylonian) sky-god and in Christianity it was adopted..."Emperor Constantine adopted this Labarum as the imperial ensign and thereby succeeded in "uniting both divisions of his troops, pagans and Christians, in a common worship ... according to Suicer the word (labarum) came into use in the reign of Hadrian, and was probably adopted from one of the nations conquered by the Romans. "It must be remembered that Hadrian reigned in the years 76 - 138, that he was a pagan emperor, worshipped the Sun-deity Serapis when he visited Alexandria, and was vehemently anti-Judaistic, being responsible for the final near-destruction of Jerusalem in the year 130.



Another dictionary relates the following about the Chi-Rho, "However, the symbol was in use long before Christianity, and X (Chi) probably stood for Great Fire or Sun,and P (Rho) probably stood for Pater or Patah (Father). The word labarum (labarum) yields everlasting Father Sun."

What is the "mark of the beast" of which we read in Rev 13:16-17, Rev 14:9-11, Rev 15:2, Rev 16:2, Rev 19:20 and Rev 20:4 - a mark on people's foreheads and on their right hands? Rev 14:11 reveals the mark to be "the mark of his (the beast's) name." Have we not read about the mystic Tau, the T, the initial of Tammuz's name, his mark? This same letter T (Tau) was written in Egyptian hieroglyphics and in the old Wemitic languages as, representing the CROSS. Different interpretations have been given to the "mark of the beast", and also the cross has been suggested. There has been some research done on the strange crosses found on quite a few statues of pagan priests, on their foreheads. However, these scholars have been unable to come to an agreement. Conclusive evidence may still come (see among others: Dr. F.J. Dolger, Antike und Christentum, vol. 2, pp. 281-293).

Let us rather use the true rendering of the Scriptural words stauros and stauro, namely "stake" and "impale" and eliminate the un-Scriptural "cross" and "crucify".
Your story reminds me of the story of the swastika. the swastica had been used for milennia as a symbol of peace (among other meanings). The Nazis perverted it into a symbol of hatred and that is forever how it shall be remembered.

Since there is real evidence supporting that the entire story of Jesus was borrowed from earlier messiah stories, I've no doubt the cross was borrowed from earlier religions as well.

However, for the last 2000 years it has undeniably been depicted, worshiped and actually celebrated as a device of torture and unspeakable suffering.
Whether it was a upright stake or a Cross membered stake, truly should not be the focus.

Reasoning Point #1 = My salvation is not the cross nor the stake but the actual taking on my sins and dieing by Jesus the Saviour on one or the other. And the resurection there after a few days later. Link

He was put to death for you and I, because we are not fit for the Kingdom any other way.

Reasoning Point #2 = It may have been a stake or it could have been a cross; which ever the case one thing is for certain. There were nail marks in His hands and a piercing in his side. Link

He took on sinful torments and hung on a tree, those stripes, that crown of thorns, the spitting, the riddicule, mocking and casting of lots for his clothes! The precious shedding of the sacrificial Lambs blood for a world that still rejects Him today.

Oh the shame that should be felt today by us. We are not worthy, we were never worthy but because of Jesus' love for us; He made the journey. He allows all who thirst to come and drink of Him so they will thirst no more!

My soul is saved not because of a Cross but because of the Man who died on that TREE!

God bless.
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Can I get an AMEN brotha!!! Whooa, I'm pumped after that sermon. Let's go ridicule and mock some homosexuals - in the name of Jesus of course!!!


It is not the people that are mocked and riddiculed, it is the sin itself. Without repentance they are separated from God.

The same goes for me, If I am living in a sinful life and do not turn (repent) from that sin then I condemn myself to an everlasting separation from God.

The difference between you, them and I is a thing called acknowledgement of my sins, repenting of my sins never to do those again, and living my life for Christ. The blood covers them all but one must take the steps toward that salvation!

I have taken those steps, my questions to you FINE, have you taken those steps? Do you know how to take those steps? Would you like to take those steps? IF so then the following is one of many outlines of doing so!

John 3:16 - 21 Link

Truly with hope, love, faith & belief in your heart ask the Lord Jesus to come into your life and create a new spirit in you. Ask the Lord to brighten your paths to see the things that are wrong in your life and allow the Holy Spirit to begin work on fixing those issues. Study your Bible, apply the meaning of the teachings to your life personally. Find yourself a church that preaches Gods Holy word without leaving out bits and pieces.

Your walk is unique between yourself and Christ. Truly no one else knows what is in your heart or mind. However there is still a general truth we all share which is; Sometimes your mind tells you that you have the answers and then not to long later you are searching for more meaning to your life. Jesus is this lost meaning, He is what you keep looking for and no matter how much you try you can never replace Him with anything else.

Fine, you meant to do harm with your post but as you can see the Lord has done good by allowing me to preach His word to you and through you. God never fails and He always comes through, though it may not be in you; someone else may have found the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior.

God bless and good day.
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Braylan,

There is no word of the lord. There is no lord.

Show him to us. Give us one irrefutable reason for his existence.

Those are your words, designed to validate your decision to believe. Nothing more.

They are worthless and hollow.

Sorry.

DF

Hi Deep,

How about YOU give us absolute proof that God does not exist. So far, all we have from you is your word, your opinion, which we have for a long time known is flawed because of your worship of your secular gods.

Since you cannot prove that God does not exist -- then, by your own logic -- He does exist.

Better watch out! He's watching you!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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From a work by Daniel de Sailles:

Apparently, the first known practice of crucifixion was by the Persians.
Alexander and his generals brought it back to the Mediterranean world -
Egypt and Carthage. The Romans apparently learned the practice from the
Carthaginians and (as with almost everything the Romans did) rapidly
developed a very high degree of efficiency and skill in carry it out. A
number of Roman authors (Livy, Cicero, Tacitys) comment on it. Several
innovations and modifications are described in the ancient literature; Ill
mention only a few which may have some bearing here. The upright portion
of the cross (or stipes) could have the cross-arm (or patibulum) attached
two or three feet below its top - this is what we commonly think of today
as the classical form of the cross (the one which we have later named the
Latin cross); however, the common form used in Our Lords day was the Tau
cross (shaped like the Greek letter Tau or like our T). In this cross the
patibulum was placed in a notch at the top of the stipes. There is fairly
overwhelming archeological evidence that it was on this type of cross that
Jesus was crucufied.

The upright post, or stipes, was generally permanently fixed in the ground
at the site of execution and the condemnded man was forced to carry the
patibulum, apparently weighing about 110 pounds, from the prison to the
place of execution. Without any historical or biblical proof, medieval
and Renaissance painters have given us our picture of Christ carrying the
entire cross. Many of these painters and most of the sculptors of
crucifixes today show the nails through the palms. Roman historical
accounts and experimental work have shown that the nails were driven
between the small bones of the wrists and not through the palms. Nails
driven through the palms will strip out between the fingers when they
support the weight of a human body. The misconception may have come about
through a misunderstanding of Jesus words to Thomas, Observe my hands.
Anatomists, both modern and ancient, have always considered the wrists as
part of the hand.
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Originally posted by fineazell1: I've often wondered if Jesus had been hanged if people now would wear a noose around their neck.

It has always seemed a little morbid to wear the very thing used to murder their savior around their neck.


The cross reminds me of what Jesus did for me, and His death there reminds me of where I'd be without Him.
Hi HippieGirl,

You are so right. The Old Testament looks forward to the cross; the New Testament looks back at His finished work on the cross. And the song below tells us this in a beautiful way.

If you have never heard this beautiful song; click on the URL: Link If the lyrics of this song do not touch your heart -- immediately go to your doctor to make sure you still have one.

When He was on the Cross, I was on His mind
Written by: Ronnie Hinson & Mike Payne

I’m not on an ego trip, I’m nothing on my own
I make mistakes and sometimes slip
Just common flesh and bone
But I’ll prove some day just why I say
I’m of a special kind
For when He was on the cross
I was on His mind

A look of love was on His face
The thorns were in His head
The blood was on that scarlet robe
And stained it crimson red
Though His eyes were on the crowd that day
He looked ahead in time
For when He was on the cross
I was on His mind

He knew me, yet He loved me
He whose glory makes the Heavens shine
So unworthy, of such mercy
For when He was on the cross
I was on His mind

For when He was on the cross
I was on His mind


God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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The world's largest particle collider successfully completed its first major test by firing a beam of protons all the way around a 17-mile tunnel Wednesday in what scientists hope is the next great step to understanding the makeup of the universe.


The start up went well. On to the actual testing.
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Fine, you meant to do harm with your post but as you can see the Lord has done good by allowing me to preach His word to you and through you.


I don't even have the words to describe how sad for you I truly am. All you have managed to "do" is reinforce how brainwashed you are. You truly believe YOU are right and everyone else is wrong.

At any rate:
I don't intend to do harm to anyone. You see Braylan, I don't have an imaginary friend that I believe is somehow "watching" me to make sure I am a good boy. I do every good deed I do for one reason and one reason only - because it is the right thing to do.

I am a good person at heart, I don't believe in god, I don't believe I will be rewarded later, I just do what is right because it is right. Don't you wish you could say the same?
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Hi Deep,

How about YOU give us absolute proof that God does not exist. So far, all we have from you is your word, your opinion, which we have for a long time known is flawed because of your worship of your secular gods.

Since you cannot prove that God does not exist -- then, by your own logic -- He does exist.

Better watch out! He's watching you!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Bill, I worship a 100 foot tall magenta colored dragon that can fly over 300 miles per hour. He has a long tail and big teeth. If you commit a "sin" he will whip you with his tail for eternity. The only way to keep from being whipped infinitely is to bow to his baby son dragon that was slay by people who didn't believe in dragons.

Bill,
How about YOU give us absolute proof that Dragons do not exist.

Can you see the idiocracy? No, I'm sure you can't.
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Bill, I worship a 100 foot tall magenta colored dragon that can fly over 300 miles per hour. He has a long tail and big teeth. If you commit a "sin" he will whip you with his tail for eternity. The only way to keep from being whipped infinitely is to bow to his baby son dragon that was slay by people who didn't believe in dragons.

Bill,
How about YOU give us absolute proof that Dragons do not exist.

Can you see the idiocracy? No, I'm sure you can't.[/QUOTE]

No, please don't assume we're all Luke Wilson fans.
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I don't even have the words to describe how sad for you I truly am. All you have managed to "do" is reinforce how brainwashed you are. You truly believe YOU are right and everyone else is wrong.

At any rate:
I don't intend to do harm to anyone. You see Braylan, I don't have an imaginary friend that I believe is somehow "watching" me to make sure I am a good boy. I do every good deed I do for one reason and one reason only - because it is the right thing to do.

I am a good person at heart, I don't believe in god, I don't believe I will be rewarded later, I just do what is right because it is right. Don't you wish you could say the same?



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Don't be sad for me, for I have an everlasting promise from the one who created all things. I am not brain washed in the sense you meant it. To be brain-washed how you have insinuated, one would have to have someone (man/woman) begin the brain-washing by teaching or speaking to them.

I for one have not been under the care of a Church nor Pastor when God beckoned me, I have found God by reading His word not by a preacher or a t.v minister but picking up the Bible and studying to find the truth (is there or is there not a God?). You see men/women are flawed and in their lacking they can only teach mostly by what they have learned from other men/women. If a person becomes open to God; God will teach according to His wisdom to that person.

I have gave my reason (testimony) many times before why I am now serving a God by faith, a God that I can not physically see. I have told of what He has brought me out of. I have told of how, I am no longer an alchoholic, I have told of how, I am no longer a womanizer, I have told of how, I no longer use drugs, I have told of my money situation went from being broke to having money, I have told of how I was contemplating suicide because of losing my ex-wife and kids (divorce) and how he has brought me out of that mind set for the better.

So if you want to say the phrase that I am brain-washed, then sir you may go right ahead.
For my thoughts are no longer placed on the bad things of this world, they can not get me down.
My thoughts are no longer on going out and getting drunk, for God is a greater Spirit.
My thoughts about woman are now that they are a gift from God and should be treated that way!
My thoughts about drugs are that they have ruined my family, but God has delivered me and He can them too if only they would fall at His feet and ask.
I have found a true joy in Christ, and i do not havce to seek happiness or acceptance from this world any longer for God had called to me just as I was and now has cleansed my brain and my heart.

So yes my brain is washed to the wickedness of this world; I no longer have to worry about it or be a part of it, my heart is washed by the blood of the lamb Jesus the Messiah. In him I have a future even after this life on earth.

As far as being right, I am right. Jesus is the way the truth and the life and no one goes to the Father except through Him. I will not apollogize for that, for Jesus is my salvation.

There is one BIG mistake you are making though, it is not about doing good deeds! My deeds do not get me into heaven. My savior Jesus Christ is what gives me eternal life. Anyone can do deeds, but not anyone can say they have life after death with the Creator. That right belongs to Christians and Christians alone. (Christians = BORN AGAIN Christ followers)

I just do what is right because it is right, and that means spreading Gods glorious word about Jesus the Messiah and living right in Him. I joy in knowing that without a shadow of a doubt I will live again after this life with Jesus the Messiah. Which is not only a reward but a blessing! --> Don't you wish you could say the same?

Good day and god bless you; Fine. I will keep praying for you.
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[quote:braylan]I have an everlasting promise from the one who created all things.....
I have gave my reason (testimony) many times before why I am now serving a God by faith, a God that I can not physically see.....
my thoughts are no longer placed on the bad things of this world, they can not get me down.....
I have found a true joy in Christ, and i do not havce to seek happiness or acceptance from this world any longer for God had called to me just as I was and now has cleansed my brain and my heart.....
my brain is washed to the wickedness of this world; I no longer have to worry about it or be a part of it, my heart is washed by the blood of the lamb Jesus the Messiah. In him I have a future even after this life on earth.....
As far as being right, I am right. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the Life. and no one goes to the Father except through Him. I will not apologize for that, for Jesus is my salvation.....
My deeds do not get me into heaven. My savior Jesus Christ is what gives me eternal life. Anyone can do deeds, but not anyone can say they have life after death with the Creator. That right belongs to Christians and Christians alone. (Christians = BORN AGAIN Christ followers).....
I just do what is right because it is right, and that means spreading Gods glorious word about Jesus the Messiah and living right in Him. I have joy in knowing that without a shadow of a doubt I will live again after this life with Jesus the Messiah. Which is not only a reward but a blessing!
Good day and God bless you; Fine. I will keep praying for you.

Amen.
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Originally posted by fineazell1:
I've often wondered if Jesus had been hanged if people now would wear a noose around their neck.

It has always seemed a little morbid to wear the very thing used to murder their savior around their neck.


I'm with you Fineazell. I think it's morbid, too but I imagine there are those who would say it reminds them of Jesus' sacrifice.
I, on the other hand, imagine Jesus smiling.

Fish, I loved your cartoon.
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Bill,

Every time you ask me for proof of god's non existence, you just rachet yourself down on the Stupid Scale lower and lower.

Fundamental to any system of knowledge is that claims require evidence. There is none, necessarily, of god.

DF

Hi Deep,

In other words, you are saying, "I have no idea -- so I will just toss out another Cutesy Saying from my Atheist's Cutesy Saying Handbook."

Deep, it is okay to admit when you do not have an answer -- even when you are always blustering about the subject.

It boils down to the fact that you CANNOT disprove God -- and, except for my FAITH and BIBLE PROPHECIES, I cannot prove to you that He does exist. You see, with my spiritual vision made 20/20 by becoming a Christian believer -- I can experience the wonders of God; while you who do not believe can only wonder - and wander.

So, I will keep following my God. And you can keep following your gods: Darwin - Dawkins - Hitchens.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I heard a group of scientists are deep underground as we speak, trying to recreate the 'big bang' to prove whether or not God exists...duh


I am curious where you may have heard such a silly idea?

Hi Fish,

While I agree with you that it is a silly idea; all the Liberal News Networks, i.e., ABC, NBC, CBS, etc., have been saying this.

Everyone should be aware that the scientists are not going to recreate the Big Bang. How can they recreate what never was in the beginning?

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1

All Monet is doing is repeating what is on the news.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Deep,

How about YOU give us absolute proof that God does not exist. So far, all we have from you is your word, your opinion, which we have for a long time known is flawed because of your worship of your secular gods.

Since you cannot prove that God does not exist -- then, by your own logic -- He does exist.

Better watch out! He's watching you!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Bill, I worship a 100 foot tall magenta colored dragon that can fly over 300 miles per hour. He has a long tail and big teeth. If you commit a "sin" he will whip you with his tail for eternity. The only way to keep from being whipped infinitely is to bow to his baby son dragon that was slay by people who didn't believe in dragons.

Bill,
How about YOU give us absolute proof that Dragons do not exist.

Can you see the idiocracy? No, I'm sure you can't.

Hi Fine,

That is okay. Just keep taking your medications and soon it will disappear. But, in the future, please don't get off you medications. Hasn't your doctor warned you about that?

We will keep praying for your full recovery.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Deep,

How about YOU give us absolute proof that God does not exist. So far, all we have from you is your word, your opinion, which we have for a long time known is flawed because of your worship of your secular gods.

Since you cannot prove that God does not exist -- then, by your own logic -- He does exist.

Better watch out! He's watching you!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Bill, I worship a 100 foot tall magenta colored dragon that can fly over 300 miles per hour. He has a long tail and big teeth. If you commit a "sin" he will whip you with his tail for eternity. The only way to keep from being whipped infinitely is to bow to his baby son dragon that was slay by people who didn't believe in dragons.

Bill,
How about YOU give us absolute proof that Dragons do not exist.

Can you see the idiocracy? No, I'm sure you can't.

Hi Fine,

That is okay. Just keep taking your medications and soon it will disappear. But, in the future, please don't get off you medications. Hasn't your doctor warned you about that?

We will keep praying for your full recovery.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Nice non-answer
The fact is, you CAN'T prove a negative.
It is up to me to prove to you that my dragon is real.
Just like it is up to you to PROVE your god is real - especially since your kind shoves that fairy tale crap down America's throat.

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