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Way I took it, it was just one dog and one handler. But there is probably a link for it on WAFF's site.

I know I read about it last night on CNN. He received permission from their Government to search the area where a supposed "witness" said the body could be found.

Apparently this "witness" passed a lie detector test in the United States, which of course made her father take this action.

The area has been searched by the authorities in the area previously.
I agree that word really never applies to a murder or otherwise unsolved death, but at least the family would know the young woman isn't out in the world somewhere suffering and being abused.

I'm no expert on tracking dogs (or any other), but I've always been led to believe that a dog would lose the scent when it came to water. If they are looking at a lake, I'm confused as to what the dogs can do.

I've always felt the boys took the body to Venezuela and left it in a cave there. It's only 12 miles or so, and a friend who owned a boat was questioned about being seen with them that night. If all three were involved in disposing of the body, or perhaps four if they did borrow a boat, then one will tell at some point. It may be 30 or 40 years, but one will confess eventually.
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
I agree that word really never applies to a murder or otherwise unsolved death, but at least the family would know the young woman isn't out in the world somewhere suffering and being abused.

I'm no expert on tracking dogs (or any other), but I've always been led to believe that a dog would lose the scent when it came to water. If they are looking at a lake, I'm confused as to what the dogs can do.

I've always felt the boys took the body to Venezuela and left it in a cave there. It's only 12 miles or so, and a friend who owned a boat was questioned about being seen with them that night. If all three were involved in disposing of the body, or perhaps four if they did borrow a boat, then one will tell at some point. It may be 30 or 40 years, but one will confess eventually.


Cadaver dogs can scent a body from underwater. The gases and odors rise to the surface of the water. I suspect a "fresh" body would be easier, and I don't know of a dog that has found a four year old body underwater, but they have found bodies older than that on land.
After I posted this topic, I did read on the Fox news site that her father had sent one dog and handler to search an area that a "witness" said could be the place where Natalee might be found.

I realize for a family going through a situation such as this, "closure" may never happen. What I meant,and thought it was understood, was maybe at last the family would know what happened to Natalee...
i understand what you mean by it, lgirl.

i just think the whole idea of closure is rather dismissive of a family's agony and i don't like the word or the concept. i don't think anyone who has lost someone violently ever gets closure. you can put it a box, push the box way down and nail the lid on, but the box is always there and is subject to falling apart at any time.

closure sounds like wrapping the situation up and moving on, and that's not what all are able to do. it's more like learning to cope, rather than closure.

i have heard of cadaver dogs doing some amazing things and that they can find bodies underwater. i'd be surprised if they could find one that's been in the water 4 years, though.

isn't it horrible to contemplate, fv? where you'd rather know your daughter was dead, than that she's suffering some other fate. those poor people....
After I posted last night, I remembered about a missing person case in East Florence. Maybe Sassy remembers more of the details than I do.

Supposedly a man (now deceased) killed his wife and buried her under some concrete on their property. A dog or dogs found a likely spot, but digging stopped at the concrete, and no body was ever found.

Anyone else remember this?
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Originally posted by hoss gal:
i understand what you mean by it, lgirl.

i just think the whole idea of closure is rather dismissive of a family's agony and i don't like the word or the concept. i don't think anyone who has lost someone violently ever gets closure. you can put it a box, push the box way down and nail the lid on, but the box is always there and is subject to falling apart at any time.

closure sounds like wrapping the situation up and moving on, and that's not what all are able to do. it's more like learning to cope, rather than closure.

i have heard of cadaver dogs doing some amazing things and that they can find bodies underwater. i'd be surprised if they could find one that's been in the water 4 years, though.

isn't it horrible to contemplate, fv? where you'd rather know your daughter was dead, than that she's suffering some other fate. those poor people....


All valid points, Hoss; but there is closure in actually knowing that she is dead versus wondering. Normal people generally go through a specific grieving process that, in this case, is disrupted.

Unless a body is found, Natalee's family will spend the rest of their lives wondering if she is possibly out there somewhere, or if they have done all they possibly can to find her. Just knowing with absolute certainty that she is dead will allow them to move through the grieving process.

I doubt a body will ever be found. The ocean is a big place, and is home to many scavengers.
Of course, I have no idea. But I wonder if there is ANY possibility that she could still be alive? I watched a movie last night called "Traded" or something similar about kidnapping young girls for sex slaves. It made me very upset to see how little regard some people in different parts of the world have for women and so thankful that I am an American!!!
Prayers for this family!
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isn't it horrible to contemplate, fv? where you'd rather know your daughter was dead, than that she's suffering some other fate. those poor people....


All valid points, Hoss; but there is closure in actually knowing that she is dead versus wondering. Normal people generally go through a specific grieving process that, in this case, is disrupted.

Unless a body is found, Natalee's family will spend the rest of their lives wondering if she is possibly out there somewhere, or if they have done all they possibly can to find her. Just knowing with absolute certainty that she is dead will allow them to move through the grieving process.<snip>



Ummm...isn't that what hoss gal said?
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Originally posted by jjuliesmiles:
Of course, I have no idea. But I wonder if there is ANY possibility that she could still be alive? I watched a movie last night called "Traded" or something similar about kidnapping young girls for sex slaves. It made me very upset to see how little regard some people in different parts of the world have for women and so thankful that I am an American!!!
Prayers for this family!


It was "Taken" and the film was released last year in Europe and Australia. I had earlier started a topic on it when a friend lent me a DVD he had somehow obtained before it was released in the US.

My theory was that van der Sloot saw the film just before he gave the interview saying Holloway had been sold into "slavery." He has to have serious mental problems to do such a thing.
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Originally posted by hoss gal:
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isn't it horrible to contemplate, fv? where you'd rather know your daughter was dead, than that she's suffering some other fate. those poor people....


All valid points, Hoss; but there is closure in actually knowing that she is dead versus wondering. Normal people generally go through a specific grieving process that, in this case, is disrupted.

Unless a body is found, Natalee's family will spend the rest of their lives wondering if she is possibly out there somewhere, or if they have done all they possibly can to find her. Just knowing with absolute certainty that she is dead will allow them to move through the grieving process.<snip>



Ummm...isn't that what hoss gal said?


She took issue with the idea of closure. My understanding of what she was saying is that in similar cases there isn't ever closure. I disagree with that. If the body is found, they can have closure - as I understand how it is used by mental health professionals - and proceed with the grieving process.
It's possible, but I would doubt it. I think the guy just craves publicity or is extremely mental. He saw the movie in Europe and decided to make up a similar story about Holloway.

No matter how she died (murder or drug overdose), I think he either took her body to Venezuela and hid it or he knew which currents would wash it out to sea permanently.

But since there were three or four involved, one will come clean eventually--at least it usually happens that way. I'm so sorry for her family. Nothing will make it any better, but just knowing for sure would give them some specific channel for their grief.
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Originally posted by jjuliesmiles:
Of course, I have no idea. But I wonder if there is ANY possibility that she could still be alive? I watched a movie last night called "Traded" or something similar about kidnapping young girls for sex slaves. It made me very upset to see how little regard some people in different parts of the world have for women and so thankful that I am an American!!!
Prayers for this family!


If you think it doesn't happen in the US you need to get out more.

Google
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Originally posted by smurph:
Where is her mother during this new search? She is usually right up in the middle of everything concerning the search for her daughter. has she made any comments concerning the new search,I may have missed it?
My prayers to this entire family,I cannot imagine the not knowing the fate of your child.


Can't find anything. If there is any kind of news, she will probably show up.
Re: Natalee "Fishfood" Holloway

It's NO accident that this "news" of her Dada's latest doin's has coincided with the made-for-teevee movie of her craziness & stupidity.

Say... how're those royalties workin' out for y'all?

Oh yeah... she's dead.

Move on.

The truly sad part is that, with friends like she had (and adults who said they were NOT chaperones), who needs enemies?

Lessons Learned the Hard Way:

1.) As an underage teen (or adult) don't go to some foreign nation purposing to
a.) get drunk,
b.) act stupid,
c.) have sex with the natives;

2.) Don't let your kids or friends do those stupid things.

3.) Don't leave your friends.
Not knowing where your child is would be the hardest thing to live with, Because you would always have hope that they would be found alive, but when hours turn into days, and days turn into weeks, and weeks turn into months, and months turn into years it can not get any easier on these family. Because you would always wonder are they alive.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the Holloway family.

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