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Did anybody see the interview that Greta did with Van der Sloot where he says he sold Natalee? I am not so sure that he did, he has not been honest yet! I think had he sold Natalee that she would have perhaps found a way to get in touch with her family. WOULDN'T she? Although I would love for her to be alive, more than anything I want closure for Beth Holloway Tweety and she will never have it until Natalee is found dead or alive. As for Greta I think that this story has been one that has captured her heart and she will not allow Van der Sloot to slide as the Authorities have.
" If you shut up truth and bury it under the ground, it will but grow, and gather to itself such explosive power that the day it bursts through it will blow up everything in its way." EMILE ZOLA
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I don't watch Greta and I didn't see this but my hairdresser told me.

Seems this guy isn't truthful and is looking for an opportunity to cash in, probably a movie or book deal.

Personally, I think he is an idiot. He's said enough to motivate her posse. He obviously doesn't fear any retribution and he obviously doesn't know people from the south....
I heard a clip of it on CNN headline news last night. They said that after the show he called Greta and told her he made the whole thing up. I feel like he did make it up. The way his voice sounded (in the clip I heard) was as if he were making it up as he told the story! He's in trouble again for (allegedly) selling female sex slaves. This guy never stops!
I saw the "sex slaves" tape. He did not sell "sex slaves". He was talking to a bunch of Filipina women about how much money they could make by "dancing" for men in Amsterdam. They were interested until they figured out their take wouldn't be as much as they wanted and they "might" have to have sex with the men for less money than they expected. That's not selling sex slaves - that's a job interview.

It's like the old joke about "would you sleep with me for a million dollars'? "Yes." "would you sleep with me for $5.00?" "NO! What do you think I am?" "Madam, we've established WHAT you are, now we're negotiating on a price!"

The interview pretty much established what the women were, he was negotiating a price.

The kid's an idiot. I wouldn't believe anything out of his mouth. But the media sensationalizes everything about the Holloway woman because they know people will watch.
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Originally posted by vick13:
That's not selling sex slaves - that's a job interview.


LMAO! Big Grin

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It's like the old joke about "would you sleep with me for a million dollars'? "Yes." "would you sleep with me for $5.00?" "NO! What do you think I am?" "Madam, we've established WHAT you are, now we're negotiating on a price!"


Love it! Thanks for the morning laugh!
I watched it. The stroy he told is by far the most convincing and explains everything and why she was never found. He named people in the police force who were paid off by his father, and they even have a recorded phone conversation with him and his dad, which BTW he gave to them. The prosecutor in Aruba refuses to do anything, and the FBI's hands are tied, so like every other scum bag rich kid with deep pockets, this one will walk away and this girl will more than likely live out the rest of her days, if she is still alive, as some slave to a rich and twisted Venezualan. After he made the interveiw he paniced and called and denied it, but it was really too late, he gave the recordings and named people.
I feel for her parents. Needless to say if this was my child (Natalee), Joran would be walking his last days on this earth, for it would be all that I could do not to find him and deliver the same justice he gave to this poor girl.
Vander Sloot's story does make more sense this go around, but regardless of what this little punk is saying the harsh reality is that this poor girl is probably dead. The Aruban authorities do not care. She is an American citizen-not one of their own so it seems that they feel any more time spent on his case is a waste of time. This guys father is/was a judge there, he knows the ins and outs of the law there and Dutch law says there is no case without a body. This is so unjust to the Holloway family. This boy knows and seems confident that whatever he does, daddy will cover his tracks. We have a little sociopath on our hands folks..
My heart goes out to that family. Foreign travel is so dangerous in these third world places. I'm sorry, but I too think she has passed on. I only hope the sicko didn't put her through that much pain.

They don't have to worry about my money contributing to that country. I don't have any desire to go there. I would rather spend my money touring the United States. There is still so much to see right here in our own backyard.

But I don't blame the family for letting her go. It was a vacation. Unfortunately there will be no resolution for I agree Aruba hopes this story will just go away.
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That's not a "job interview"; that's human trafficking, and it is a serious crime. Thousands of women are currently being exploited in this way, and it is hardly a laughing matter.



And I'm not laughing. I'm dead serious. Nobody had a gun to their heads and no lasso was involved. In fact, they politely declined the position due to job description.
Remember that prostitution is legal in the Netherlands, so he wouldn't be selling them into slavery.

The idea that the US Government should sanction Aruba is almost laughable. There's another thread about how many unsolved murders there are in Lauderdale County alone. Consider how many unsolved crimes there are nation-wide - and these include crimes against foreigners - and it would make us look ridiculous to point the finger.
Actually there were several tourists from other countries killed in Florida - remember the boy from the Netherlands (or Germany? one of those blond countries) who was killed trying to keep a thug from hurting his mother. They were in Orlando I think. The thugs were targeting cars with rental car tags - that's why they stopped using special car tags for rentals and why a lot of rental places quit putting the stickers on the cars - because of the attacks on visitors especially foreigners.
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Did anybody see the interview that Greta did with Van der Sloot where he says he sold Natalee? I am not so sure that he did, he has not been honest yet! I think had he sold Natalee that she would have perhaps found a way to get in touch with her family. WOULDN'T she?


Unfortunately, NO. I know a woman from the Phillipines who says she knows of girls having been sent sent to Tokyo "for work" and they absolutely dissapear off the face of the earth. Their families never hear from them again and don't know if they are alive or dead. These awful people take their passports, their money, their identity, their self esteem, everything these girls ever had and make them slaves to the fullest degree. There is evidently NO WAY out, except death. Red Face
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I agree Salty. I watch Locked Up Abroad and some of those conditions are just downright scary. Nothing more than dungeons. No phones, no way to mail a letter, nothing. I feel so bad for Natalee's parents. They are torn between hoping to find her body to give her a proper burial and hoping to find out that she has been sold as a sex slave. Dear Lord, give them strength, and hopefully one day, peace.
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Remember that prostitution is legal in the Netherlands, so he wouldn't be selling them into slavery.
It is legal in Nevada, too - but if you sold a woman to the Mustang Ranch and they kept her chained up in the basement... I think that is still called "slavery". I think Joran Van der Sloot is a psychopath and a compulsive liar (often the two go hand in hand). I don't think he knows if he's coming or going. Best case scenario would be for someone to take his punk ass for a little waterboarding session and make it clear that it won't stop til he quits breathing or they find Natalee, dead or alive.
OK, the kid is a pos. But, how would an upper middle class boy know how to sell someone into slavery? Would you?

He thought it was something cute to say. He's gonna realize when he graduates and looks for a job that people remember these things. Unless the old man has a lot of money to leave him, he'll wind up in jail or worse. He will pay, bank on it.
I believe what he told those women were lies. Dancers and housekeepers are two of the occupations some of these girls I was talking about supposedly went to Tokyo to do. I believe his intentions were to help (for a fee)get them over there under false pretenses and turn them over to someone else who absolutely would have sold them into slavery. I think he's just the pansy middle man. These girls were probably sucked into lies just like the ones Joran used.
Why does no one talk about the RESPONSIBILITY the parents and adults abdicated by allowing an under age child (yes, child aka highschool-aged 'teenager') to drink?

What about her so-called "friends?" Why weren't THEY watching out?

Why weren't the adult chaperones doing their job?

Oh! That's right! They said they WEREN'T chaperones!

And what's a "good" girl doing going out searching for, and having indiscriminate sexual encounters with the natives anyway?

Huh?

Where's HER responsibility?

Oh... she either left it in Alabama, on in her suitcase, because she clearly DIDN'T have it with her.

Yeah, NH's death could've been prevented... IF NH did what she should have, IF the parents did their job, and IF the kids did too.

With parents & friends like that, who needs enemies?

There's plenty-o blame to go around. Problem is, not any of it sticks.

Why hasn't anyone asked her Mama, "Miz Holloway, what would you have done differently about the trip, given the chance?"

You're a kid (male or female). You go to a foreign land. You're alone with strangers. You're drunk. You're horny. You're stupid. You get raped. You get killed.

NH is fish food.

Sad story.

Lesson learned... the hard way.

Move on.
You're in for it now, Shoalslover. You simply cannot tell the truth about this woman. For what it'll be worth when they start in on you - you are dead on the money (no pun intended). I know people who were staying in the same hotel as these students. Apparently they were totally out of control - drunk, running through the restaurant, in several cases actually knocking down elderly people who were trying to make their way to through the restaurant. I'm sure her mama feels guilty as hell and I'm sure no matter what my daughter did I'd be mad, too, but facts are facts. She was eighteen. If she'd been killed in a car accident the headline would've read "Mountain Brook Woman Killed in Collision" NOT "Mountain Brook TEEN Killed in Collision". Meaning - she was should've been old enough to know what to do AND what not to do. Of course, I've been disgusted by her mama since she started dating Jon Benet's daddy. creepy.

Now, if she'd been in her hotel room sleeping and someone with a key to her room sneaked in and abducted her I'd be way more sympathetic.
1. I believe that Natalee Holloway was of legal drinking age in Aruba.
2. I don't believe anyone other than the suspects have ever reported Miss Holloway as being drunk or sexually indiscriminate. I believe doing so is slander, and it's especially heinous when your target--whatever happened to her--was clearly the victim of a terrible crime. Nice going!
3. Since she has been widely described by pretty much everyone else as EXTREMELY responsible (hence the UA scholarship, I imagine), one might question whether any aberrant behavior may have been caused by her having been drugged, as has been reported by many other girls. Perhaps you've heard of this?
4. When someone falls prey to a criminal, it is NOT the victim's fault, nor is it that of her friends. Buy a clue.
5. Certainly her mother would reconsider in retrospect, but I'm told that she was already reluctant. However, she knew many other children who had gone previously, and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, she knew and trusted her own child. Nothing that has happened since will have changed that.
6. If you'd like to continue living in your bubble, thinking that evil can't touch you and yours because you're somehow special, please go right ahead. As we have seen this week (and most others) evil can come right into a house in Muscle Shoals, Alabama, and murder a father and husband, but I'm sure that can't happen to you.
7. Vick, as always, appalling.
Shoalslover, I can't speak for anybody else, but I certainly won't "Let you have it". The things you stated could well be true, but beeb also has good points. I think she was responsible for her own actions. I think she used awful judgement by having put herself in ANY situation with locals she knew nothing about. Other people who were with her bear responsibility as well. Again, I can't speak for others, but my issue is that Joran has never told anyone the truth. He's said this, he's said that. Is she dead? Is she alive? What's so maddening is, that like Casey Anthony, he knows what happened and where her body is if she's dead, and he know where she is if she's alive, and he's lied so much nobody knows when to believe him. Do you think that's fair? Do you think it's fair that he's not incarcerated if he admitted ON TAPE that he dumped her body in the ocean? Is it fair that he's now said he sold her? Or that he said he lied about dumping her body and then said he lied about selling her? Which time has he lied? Do you think it's fair that he hasn't been charged with anything and that because his Papa is involved in a corrupt government he never will be? That's the issue IMHO.
I believe that Miss Hollaway was likely drugged. Joran and his sleezy buddies had likely drugged girls before to have their way with them. Natalee had a reaction to the drug and died as a result. Then the body was disposed of with Papa Vandersloot's help because he knows the system. No body--no case. There is no one to blame, but those who are guilty. Their judgement day will come. Probably when this arrogant punk meets up with the someone worse than he is.
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. I don't believe anyone other than the suspects have ever reported Miss Holloway as being drunk or sexually indiscriminate. I believe doing so is slander, and it's especially heinous when your target--whatever happened to her--was clearly the victim of a terrible crime. Nice going!



Actually that was part of the testimony. According to the other two boys in the car she was having sex with Vandersloot while drunk in the backseat. And believe me, a UA scholarship does not mean you are responsible. I could give you five names right this second who have received scholarships last year only to lose them due to bad grades (not showing up for class and being hung over).

I don't think there's ever been any denial of the drunkenness. And obviously she left, alone in a car with three men after her girlfriends begged to not go with the men and also, obviously, she had terrible taste in men.

So, it seems, you're all ready to believe the Vandersloot guy when he testifies he killed her/sold her but he's lying when he says she was drunk. hmmmmmm
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Lookit, nobody's saying whomever did whatever to the Holloway woman (or anybody else) should've done whatever it is they did. And you can tap, tap, tap away a the keys all day long but you cannot change the fact that if she had not crawled into that car, if she had practiced what has been preached over and over and over again, if not by her parents, at least by every talk show host and crime tv host on tv, we wouldn't have a clue the woman ever existed. I should hope that instead of sitting around talking about the bad, bad boys in Aruba and poor innocent victims they prey on, people with girls (and to a lesser extent boys) are using this as an object lesson for their girls - do not get drunk and ride with one near stranger much less three, don't do it in your hometown much less in a foreign country, and if you just must have an indiscretion with a stranger while on a high school trip keep your wits (how many ever wits you have) about you.

As for slander - actually, I agree with you UNA. Once you've put yourself and yours out there on every tv show, magazine, etc you and yours are pretty much asking for speculation.
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Lookit, nobody's saying whomever did whatever to the Holloway woman (or anybody else) should've done whatever it is they did. And you can tap, tap, tap away a the keys all day long but you cannot change the fact that if she had not crawled into that car, if she had practiced what has been preached over and over and over again, if not by her parents, at least by every talk show host and crime tv host on tv, we wouldn't have a clue the woman ever existed. I should hope that instead of sitting around talking about the bad, bad boys in Aruba and poor innocent victims they prey on, people with girls (and to a lesser extent boys) are using this as an object lesson for their girls - do not get drunk and ride with one near stranger much less three, don't do it in your hometown much less in a foreign country, and if you just must have an indiscretion with a stranger while on a high school trip keep your wits (how many ever wits you have) about you.




Agreed...

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