Precedence for the Brooks prayer thread?

Civil disobedience?

 

April 16, 2010 1:34 PM

 

Yesterday, a U.S. District Judge in Wisconsin ruled that the annual National Day of Prayer is unconstitutional.

 

"It goes beyond mere 'acknowledgment' of religion because its sole purpose is to encourage all citizens to engage in prayer, an inherently religious exercise that serves no secular function in this context," wrote Judge Barbara Crabb, who said the Day of Prayer violates the First Amendment's establishment clause, which bans the creation of a "law respecting an establishment of religion" in the Constitution.

 

The National Day of Prayer was established by Congress in 1952, and in 1988 was set as the first Thursday in May. On that day last year, President Obama issued the traditional presidential proclamation, which opened with this line: "Throughout our Nation's history, Americans have come together in moments of great challenge and uncertainty to humble themselves in prayer." 

 

The lawsuit against the National Day of Prayer was brought in Wisconsin by a group of atheists and agnostics called the Freedom From Religion Foundation, which argued that it violated the separation of church and state.

 

The Obama administration had argued that the National Day of Prayer was legal because it simply acknowledged the role of religion in the United States, according to the Associated Press. But Crabb wrote that "it is because the nature of prayer is so personal and can have such a powerful effect on a community that the government may not use its authority to try to influence an individual's decision whether and when to pray." 

 

In a Tweet, the White House said that regardless of the ruling, the president still "intends to recognize a National Day of Prayer." The decision does not ban the president from issuing a proclamation, the White House said. 

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50...20002706-503544.html

 

Official 2011 Presidential Proclimation

The White House

Office of the Press Secretary

Presidential Proclamation--National Day of Prayer April 29, 2011

 

      Throughout our history, Americans have turned to prayer for strength, inspiration, and solidarity.

      Prayer has played an important role in the American story and in shaping our Nation's leaders.  President Abraham Lincoln once said, "I have been driven many times upon my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had nowhere else to go.  My own wisdom and that of all about me seemed insufficient for the day."  The late Coretta Scott King recounted a particularly difficult night, during the Montgomery bus boycott, when her husband, the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., received a threatening phone call and prayed at the kitchen table, saying, "Lord, I have nothing left.  I have nothing left.  I have come to the point where I can't face it alone."  Dr. King said, in that moment of prayer, he was filled with a sense of comfort and resolve, which his wife credited as a turning point in the civil rights movement.

      It is thus fitting that, from the earliest years of our country's history, Congress and Presidents have set aside days to recognize the role prayer has played in so many definitive moments in our history.  On this National Day of Prayer, let us follow the example of President Lincoln and Dr. King.  Let us be thankful for the liberty that allows people of all faiths to worship or not worship according to the dictates of their conscience, and let us be thankful for the many other freedoms and blessings that we often take for granted.

      Let us pray for the men and women of our Armed Forces and the many selfless sacrifices they and their families make on behalf of our Nation.  Let us pray for the police officers, firefighters, and other first responders who put themselves in harm's way every day to protect their fellow citizens.  And let us ask God for the sustenance and guidance for all of us to meet the great challenges we face as a Nation.

      Let us remember in our thoughts and prayers those who have been affected by natural disasters at home and abroad in recent months, as well as those working tirelessly to render assistance.  And, at a time when many around the world face uncertainty and unrest, but also hold resurgent hope for freedom and justice, let our prayers be with men and women everywhere who seek peace, human dignity, and the same rights we treasure here in America.

      The Congress, by Public Law 100-307, as amended, has called on the President to issue each year a proclamation designating the first Thursday in May as a "National Day of Prayer."

      NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim May 5, 2011, as a National Day of Prayer.  I invite all citizens of our Nation, as their own faith or conscience directs them, to join me in giving thanks for the many blessings we enjoy, and I ask all people of faith to join me in asking God for guidance, mercy, and protection for our Nation.

      IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-ninth day of April, in the year of our Lord two thousand eleven, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-fifth.

          BARACK OBAMA

 

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-...-national-day-prayer

 

 

Original Post

Hi Roland,

 

Not that I want to burst your bubble, but your discussion title reads "National Day of Prayer Deemed Unconstitutional, but Obama Will Recognize it Anyway" -- and the National Day of Prayer spoken of in this article is dated April 29, 2011

 

Surprise!  Surprise!  Surprise!  Today's date in October 29, 2011.   A wee bit late, aren't you?

 

But, I suppose if one's goal is only to create dissension -- small matters like long past dates are irrelevant.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Roland,

 

Not that I want to burst your bubble, but your discussion title reads "National Day of Prayer Deemed Unconstitutional, but Obama Will Recognize it Anyway" -- and the National Day of Prayer spoken of in this article is dated April 29, 2011

 

Surprise!  Surprise!  Surprise!  Today's date in October 29, 2011.   A wee bit late, aren't you?

 

But, I suppose if one's goal is only to create dissension -- small matters like long past dates are irrelevant.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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First sentence of post: Precedence for the Brooks prayer thread?

 

precedence [ˈprɛsɪdəns]precedency

n
1. the act of preceding or the condition of being precedent (before)
 
April 16, 2010 1:34 PM, the FIRST article PRECEDES  the Brooks prayer incident.
 
Second article: April 29, 2011, PRECEDES the Brooks prayer incident.
 
This means that the act of Un-Constitutionally DECLARED prayer at Brooks High School was PRECEDED by the act(s) of Un-Constitutionally DECLARED Proclamations of National Prayer Day , RECOGNIZED and IMPLEMENTED by the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
 
Please pay attention. 
 
I have no idea what relevance your reply has to the original post.

President (Hasn’t got a Prayer) Obama has no business weighing in on this. I am a firm believer of separation of Church and State. If one wants something as this day it needs to be more inclusive. Not necessarily prayer but maybe a National Day of Respect or maybe Reflection. I believe in God and His Son but I also respect everyone’s beliefs or non beliefs. (Within Civilized Boundaries) This is anyway OUR NATION.

Skippy

Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

President (Hasn’t got a Prayer) Obama has no business weighing in on this. I am a firm believer of separation of Church and State. If one wants something as this day it needs to be more inclusive. Not necessarily prayer but maybe a National Day of Respect or maybe Reflection. I believe in God and His Son but I also respect everyone’s beliefs or non beliefs. (Within Civilized Boundaries) This is anyway OUR NATION.

Skippy

Well said, Skippy. The problem with the current 'prayer' fiascos, ISN'T the issue of prayer. It's the fact that those that are *****ing about it want ONLY THEIR BELIEFS observed. NO WHERE have I ever read that anyone was being FORCED to pray...only  forced NOT TO.

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