National Day of Prayer events

How can it be bad? And where exactly is anyone from the government part of this?

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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
How can it be bad? And where exactly is anyone from the government part of this?

I'm not saying its bad, It's just a question. Some may or may not think it's bad, we shall see.


And where exactly is anyone from the government part of this?
Didn't government declare National Day of Prayer?

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Originally posted by JJPAUL:

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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
How can it be bad? And where exactly is anyone from the government part of this?

I'm not saying its bad, It's just a question. Some may or may not think it's bad, we shall see.


And where exactly is anyone from the government part of this?
Didn't government declare National Day of Prayer?

The government is not promoting any one religion. All religions have some form of prayer.

Christians collectively praying for the welfare of you, JJ, and every other American is a good thing. You're welcome.

"The National Day of Prayer Task Force was a creation of the National Prayer Committee for the expressed purpose of organizing and promoting prayer observances conforming to a Judeo-Christian system of values. People with other theological and philosophical views are, of course, free to organize and participate in activities that are consistent with their own beliefs. This diversity is what Congress intended when it designated the Day of Prayer, not that every faith and creed would be homogenized, but that all who sought to pray for this nation would be encouraged to do so in any way deemed appropriate. It is that broad invitation to the American people that led, in our case, to the creation of the Task Force and the Judeo-Christian principles on which it is based."

I notice that Mom and Dad who put their faith in prayer regarding their sick daughter rather than taking her to a physician are now being charged criminally. So what are we to make of this? Many people advocate the power of faith and prayer yet when someone actually relies on it...they are flummoxed and then charged with a crime. ???

Daybegger...It's kind of like that joke, where the guy prays for God to rescue him. People come by and asks if he needs help and it goes on and he Keeps waiting. He dies and he asked GOD why didn't you help me. God replies I sent you help and you didn't take it.(by the way, I am terrible at re-telling jokes) but you get the point. In my opinion, God gives people Doctors to help heal them! Prayer alone and waiting for a cure,(even though I have seen it done) is neglect. God works through everyday people, every day. Medical industry is no exception. It is putting your faith in God, but giving him the tools to help you!

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God works through everyday people, every day. Medical industry is no exception. It is putting your faith in God, but giving him the tools to help you!

Yeah, God really worked on the people in Myanmar didn't she? 22,500 dead so far.

Playing devil's advocate.


They were infidels and unChristian and deserved to die....

Praying is a personal thing, a great thing. A sincere heart gets God's attention. We should remember that Jesus Himself warned about those who pray in the street to be seen by men to try to make them think they are moral and righteous. It can be Pharisitical really quick.

Christ spoke of a "prayer closet" where God sees the true heart of the prayer. That is what the Bible says God rewards.

Many just want the esteem of man. That accounts for the quasi-political nature of much public praying and it's use for manipulative purposes rather than honest to goodness prayer in the trully Godly sense. What I speak of here came straight from the Bible by the way.

There has been a lot of mischief conducted by politicians in between "prayers" and God sees it all. He will have the last word. That we can all count on.

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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
The government is not promoting any one religion. All religions have some form of prayer.

Christians have nothing to do with the formation, promotion, and governmental sponsorship of the NDoP. Yeah riiiight.

You aren't fooling anyone but yourself if you think the NDoP is anything but an exclusionary, Christian affair.

That IS a bad thing.

Politicians "praying" must always be taken with a grain of salt. Make that a BLOCK of salt.

Hi DayBeggar,

You say, "I notice that Mom and Dad who put their faith in prayer regarding their sick daughter rather than taking her to a physician are now being charged criminally. So what are we to make of this? Many people advocate the power of faith and prayer yet when someone actually relies on it...they are flummoxed and then charged with a crime. ???"

There is a big difference. You see, when Christians put their faith in prayer to heal a loved one; we do not try to limit God. God is omnipotent, all powerful, and He has the full resources of all the universe through which He can perform His miracles. Yes, He could just divinely heal a person; and He has often done this. Or, He might choose to use another to perform His healing miracle. That other person most likely will be a doctor, surgeon, etc. -- or that healing might be through a new breakthrough in medical science. We must never limit God; we merely lift our prayers to Him, trusting that His will be done -- and trusting that His will is best. For our knowledge is finite; His is infinite.

Jeremiah 29:11-13 tell us, "'For I know the plans that I have for you,' declares the LORD, 'plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.'"

Sometimes, God in His infinite wisdom, chooses not to heal us. The apostle Paul, tells us in 2 Corinthians that he had an affliction, a thorn in the flesh, some illness -- and the Bible does not tell us the manner of Paul's affliction; only that he prayed multiple times for God to remove it. And, in 2 Corinthians 12:8-9, Paul tells us of God's response to his prayers, "Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. And He has said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.' Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me."

While there are some cult churches which discourage getting medical treatment; anyone who truly knows the Lord will not limit Him, but will always pray that His will be done.

Any parent who has a sick child and withholds medical treatment should be prosecuted. God puts children into our care; we are to use all means available to protect them and their health.

I mentioned to you a couple of days ago that I have a dear friend who, after a triple bypass heart surgery, had two successive heart attacks within two days. They had her in a drug induced coma and we were not sure how she would be when they brought her out. This is a very devout Christian family. The husband is the pastor who led me to the Lord over twenty years ago. At the hospital, just her visitors filled a waiting room -- all believing Christians -- all praying that God will heal her and give her complete recovery. Yet, we all put our faith in the Lord to guide her doctors and nurses as they treated Ida. We all put her in God's loving hands and asked that He bring her through this ordeal. We all know that His will guides her recovery. We all have faith.

Today, I got word that she came out of the induced coma and appears to be stable. Praise the Lord.

Yes, prayer is the most powerful medicine -- but, along with that we allow God to work through medical science or whatever means He chooses.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by daybeggar:
I notice that Mom and Dad who put their faith in prayer regarding their sick daughter rather than taking her to a physician are now being charged criminally. So what are we to make of this? Many people advocate the power of faith and prayer yet when someone actually relies on it...they are flummoxed and then charged with a crime. ???

They asked God to heal their sick daughter, Well didn't God gives these doctors the knowledge to be able to help people through medicine?
Yes he did! But the parents of this little girl chose not to use a doctor. God does send help but you gotta except the help that was sent.