National Guard 4 , Students 0 (if you are a right-winger)

How about we get both sides of the story The other side of the story.

Care to rwrite your offensive statement about the Guard 4 and students 0.

The same group that tried to burn down Kent state is currently laying waste to the country.

Judging from the sheer stupidity of the majority of posts from the original poster of this thread, I'd say seeing weed is the least of what he/she is doing with that weed.

I am literally amazed at the people who think it is ok for our military to fire on and kill college students who were exercising their 1st Amendment rights. WOW !
Were these 4 that were killed THE VERY people who set fire to the ROTC building ? No trial, just shoot first and don't even ask questions later.
Again WOW !

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Originally posted by rexkwondo72:
Care to rwrite your offensive statement about the Guard 4 and students 0.

That was actually a quote from a right-wing friend of mine at the time who supported the war and Nixon and apparently the killing.
I detested the saying then and I still do as well as the action of the National Guard on that day.

Apparently you are putting all of the blame on the guardsmen with out even mentioning the pieces of trash that started the whole thing. And your comments that "right wingers"enjoy it when Americans are killed is absolutely disgusting. How would you react if you were put in a situation where buildings are being burned. Rocks, bricks, and other things are being hurled at you and then out of the chaos something happens and a shot is fired. How would you react? You would have done the same thing those guardsmen did. You would have defended yourself and others.

Here is a little more for you to read on what happened that day Link

One 'conspiracy theory' has an 'agent provocateur' positioned near the demonstrating students. This individual is said to have thrown a light bulb into the crowd of demonstrators. When said bulb struck the sidewalk, the resulting 'pop' sounded like 'gun fire'. Thinking they were taking fire, the Guardsmen returned fire.

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Originally posted by rexkwondo72:
Apparently you are putting all of the blame on the guardsmen with out even mentioning the pieces of trash that started the whole thing. And your comments that "right wingers"enjoy it when Americans are killed is absolutely disgusting. How would you react if you were put in a situation where buildings are being burned. Rocks, bricks, and other things are being hurled at you and then out of the chaos something happens and a shot is fired. How would you react? You would have done the same thing those guardsmen did. You would have defended yourself and others.

Frankly, I have never been able to figure out if the NG was Nationalized or not, but maybe some of you either know or will find a link. If it WAS Nationalized, the fault for the slaughter lies at the feet of the President. If the NG was NOT, the fault lies at the feet of the governor of the state. There is no clear answer as to whether or not the order to FIRE was given.
And , yes I do place some blame on the guardsmen. I personally doubt if I could have found the cold hearted requirement inside myself to kill unarmed college students. (but at the time I was only out of college for 2 years)
Oct 1967 should have been a benchmark way to handle things when hippies put flowers in the rifles of the NG at an anti-war march in DC.

In case you don't remember, there were a lot of protest going on at college campuses at the time, the protest were not only at Kent State.

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Oct 1967 should have been a benchmark way to handle things when hippies put flowers in the rifles of the NG at an anti-war march in DC.

These weren't hippies. They had burned a campus building and were arming themselves. They threatened to set fire to businesses and damaged several. You have a pretty selective view on history. There is more to it that a Neil Young song.

Seaweed, you'll get no sympathy from me for the supposed "Kent State" students..I lived through this, a veteran just returning from Vietnam...the NG was nationalized...the students had been demonstrating all week..demonstrating against the war while some of us were walking point in Vietnam...you have no right to judge this situation simply from reading about it....by the way, the girl in the picture was a 14 year old runaway..not a student..

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but at the time I was only out of college for 2 years)

one of the "cowards" that didnt have the guts to fight..your old man had the money to keep you in college so you wouldn't get drafted....I don't want to hear your ****. Still angry, yes, I have three buddies on the wall who will forever be 19...

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Originally posted by barbaros45:

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but at the time I was only out of college for 2 years)

one of the "cowards" that didnt have the guts to fight..your old man had the money to keep you in college so you wouldn't get drafted....I don't want to hear your ****. Still angry, yes, I have three buddies on the wall who will forever be 19...

You must be one sorry specimen of a human.To make such a statement you have got to have no sense whatsoever, and no soul. You show absolutely no respect for my father, and therefore you deserve none from me or anybody else.
At that time my "old man" had been dead for 2 years and to this day I grieve his passing.
I joined AF ROTC, but was was turned down at physical because of blood pressure problems I still take medication to control.

You are a sorry you know what, and you are now on ignore as I have no use for your sorry kind or your sorry opinion.

You're right, I am one sorry human being..I'm sorry I didn't get ahold of one of them myself...my thoughts about protestors against the war comes directly from hearing about them over armed forces radio while preparing for another day in the boonies...my thoughts also were for my friend from Hamilton, Alabama, who died while millions did whatever they could to avoid the draft. I fought for my county, I lost a good friend that will never fulfill his life, and I am to sit here and let someone tell me that the protestors had every right to do what they did...So you had high blood pressure and you lost your father, back when they took me in 1965..they didnt check blood pressure...If you could walk straight and knew your mama's name they took you...well, I brought back a little bit of the enemy's stuff that bothers me to this day..I lost my father and my grandfather and didnt get to go to his funeral because I was in a little place called Hue [whay for the uninitiated]..You come and ride with me to Hamilton, Alabama, and tell my friend Ron's mom that you agree with the protestors...you rubbed a raw spot with me when you paid homage to a group of people who were enjoying the fruits while their brothers died in Vietnam...