Subtle translation errors are beside the point.
Genesis is not how the Universe came to be. The story is childish and inaccurate.
Why do so many people cling to the ridiculous story, and try to bend and mash reality into it? Genesis is a fairy tale. Accept that, you'll feel better.
Go where the evidence leads you. It's refreshing.
DF
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:quote:Originally posted by davidnmiles:
Is there anyone out there who can tell me when God was born?
It's hard to say, David, but he was first written about 2500 years ago, more or less. The vapid and fragmented accounts attributed to him suggest he was a matter of oral tradition for hundreds of years before that. Let's call it 3000 years ago. That might be a conservative estimate, I admit. DF
Hi David and Deep,
That is an easy question to answer. He wasn' born. Being God means He is preexistent. If He were not preexistent -- then, He would not be God, but god.
However, we know He is God; therefore preexistent -- and if that were not true -- you and I would not be here; for the Creation would not have happened.
So, the fact that you and I are here -- is proof that God exists. Isn't God awesome?
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
The first one I googled:
Norman L. Geisler, Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics, page 271, Zondervan 1999:
“Numbered days need not be solar. Neither is there a rule of Hebrew language demanding that all numbered days in a series refer to twenty-four-hour days. Even if there were no exceptions in the Old Testament, it would not mean that “day” in Genesis 1 could not refer to more than one twenty-four-hour period. But there is another example in the Old Testament. Hosea 6:1-2 . . . . . . Clearly the prophet is not speaking of solar “days” but of longer periods in the future. Yet he numbers the days in series.”
There's a whole bunch more you have to read on your own.
These results confirm Geisler’s: “Neither is there a rule of Hebrew language demanding that all numbered days in a series refer to twenty-four-hour days.”
These results and the uniform absence of the definite article “the” prefixing the Hebrew word “yom,” confirms the basis of Archer’s: “. . . none of the six creative days bears a definite article in the Hebrew text; the translations “the first day,” “ the second day,” etc., are in error.”
http://www.godandscience.org/y.../yom_with_number.pdf
Hi Zip,
While Geisler is a respected and very knowledgeable Christian Apologist -- the only way to be really sure if "yom" means a solar day is to study the Bible. If you will dig deeper; you will find that it does mean solar days.
The only reason that Darwinian evolutionists insist upon long time periods -- is that without millions and billions of years -- evolution would not have a leg to stand on. I guess that would make Darwinian Evolution a simple cell floating in a primordial swamp -- no legs!
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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I've studied deeply, Bill. Biblical literalism will ultimately result in a schism. So sayeth Zip.
quote:Originally posted by zippadeedoodah: I've studied deeply, Bill. Biblical literalism will ultimately result in a schism. So sayeth Zip.
Hi Zip,
Before I was a Christian, but attended the Garden Grove Community Church (which then became the Crystal Cathedral) -- I was part of a Young Adults group. In this group, probably 80% of us were divorced. So, when our group asked one of the pastors to tell us about divorce; his response was, "Well, what you have read in the Bible was for the people of that day. The Bible teaching has to take into consideration our current cultures."
That is the liberal view, i.e., people should not adjust to Biblical teaching -- but, instead, should adjust Biblical teaching to fit our latest culture and desires.
My Friend, one thing the Bible teaches emphatically -- God does not change! Nor does His teachings change. The Bible teaching in the days of the apostles and Jesus -- is just as relevant today as it was then.
Yes, when interpreting the Bible, we do take into consideration the culture of Jesus' day; but, we do not twist the Bible to fit our desires.
An example: In Revelation 3:20, Jesus tells us, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him, and will dine with him and he with Me."
In the Jewish culture of Jesus' day; the most intimate thing one could do with friends was to dine with them. And, Jesus uses this cultural example to emphasis how close He will be to all who will open their hearts and invite Him to come in.
One good rule of thumb when interpreting your Bible is to first read the passage to be literally what God intended to be written. If the "literal" shoe fits -- wear it. If not, look at a symbolic or metaphorical meaning. However, even in these instances, you will find that the Bible, in other books or other passages, will give you the meaning of the passage you are studying.
Another good example is in Revelation 1 when Jesus is giving the vision of the churches to the apostle John.
Revelation 1:12-16, "Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength."
Then, in Revelation 1:20, Jesus explains that passage, "As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches."
As I said before, the Truth is in the Bible -- one just has to be seeking to find it. But, if you apply a liberal interpretation to the Bible; you will find only man's truths; not God Truth.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:That is an easy question to answer. He wasn' born. Being God means He is preexistent. If He were not preexistent -- then, He would not be God, but god.
Bill, I assume that he preexisted before the Creation. For how long did he preexist before the Creation?
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi David and Deep,
That is an easy question to answer. He wasn' born. Being God means He is preexistent. If He were not preexistent -- then, He would not be God, but god.
However, we know He is God; therefore preexistent -- and if that were not true -- you and I would not be here; for the Creation would not have happened.
So, the fact that you and I are here -- is proof that God exists. Isn't God awesome?
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Bill, I keep wondering what God did before he created light. Did He just sit out there for eons and twiddle His thumbs? When He was thinking up biology, why did he create two sexes and not 10? What sex is God? Why does He have to have a gender?
When god invented light, three days before the Sun, he obviously meant a flashlight.
One of those nice ones, with 4 D cells, and LED elements. And engraved, you know "To God, From the Saddleback Church. Don't forget us!"
It makes so much sense now.
DF
One of those nice ones, with 4 D cells, and LED elements. And engraved, you know "To God, From the Saddleback Church. Don't forget us!"
It makes so much sense now.
DF
quote:Bill, I keep wondering what God did before he created light.
Crusty, obviously great minds think alike. When Bill came back to tell me that God had always existed, I was going to point out that he must be a real dunce to sit on a stool in a corner playing with himself for all of eternity minus 6,000 years. That's a long time to sit around doing nothing worthwhile. I wonder what prompted him to finally get off his arss.
Just from looking around, I'd say insanity.
The Basis of Fundamentalist Reasoning Power (edited to exactly 630 big-ass pixels of course)
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quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:
Just from looking around, I'd say insanity.
Guffaw!
Nice editing, Dawk.
DF
DF
quote:Originally posted by davidnmiles:quote:That is an easy question to answer. He wasn' born. Being God means He is preexistent. If He were not preexistent -- then, He would not be God, but god.
Bill, I assume that he preexisted before the Creation. For how long did he preexist before the Creation?
HOW LONG IS ETERNITY?
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Bill, from your cute little bridge picture labeled "How long is eternity," I assume that God was around a long time before he decided to create the universe.
I repeat: God must be a real dunce to sit on a stool in a corner playing with himself for all of eternity minus 6,000 years. That's a long time to sit around doing nothing worthwhile. I wonder what prompted him to finally get off his lazy arss and create a very flawed planet earth.
I repeat: God must be a real dunce to sit on a stool in a corner playing with himself for all of eternity minus 6,000 years. That's a long time to sit around doing nothing worthwhile. I wonder what prompted him to finally get off his lazy arss and create a very flawed planet earth.
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:quote:Originally posted by LMM:
Six 24 hour days? NO.
It never said that. God's time frame is not man's time frame. Each day could have been millions of years. God is above, beyond, and outside the physics of man. The unexplainable cannot be explained by our version of science. We are but babies looking at a creation that we can decode one minute piece at a time. If you assume every thing has to be explained, you cannot have faith. If you think it is possible that things don't have to have a concrete explanation, then you may begin to understand faith.
then why did it say "days"? Why not "ages" or "Millenia" or something else? Days means days. We are babies no more, that is my entire point. We are growing up. We now know things. Not everything, but we know certain things, and they are not reflected in the bible. The Exodus, for example, never happened. The creation saga in Genesis never happened.
Let's grow up.
..the old man works ,in his twilite years, at being stupid while the restuvus strif to get smarter. bust you got him by the short har
DF
ole defat trys to make like he knows how to read the Bible. the bible says what it says dumb cluck wher you beleeve it or not dummy. you thank you gonner skrunch up yo sphinkter mussle and change history? i dont think so hollywood
You all keep floundering around speaking on the proof of the existence of God . Well the fact is you can’t even prove that you exist . You may be only a protozoan floating around in a drop of horse piss . The only proof you have , that you in fact do exist ,is provided by your senses .Those senses you have been told are powered by cells called neurons floating around in a fluid not totally unlike horse piss . The path to God is one of faith. That’s step one you believe it or you don’t .If you believe and believe that Jesus ,his son , died for your sins ,and you are baptized then you are filled with his spirit . You can feel that!!…And believe in that!!
Ka-o,
What is wrong with using our senses and our reason to determine reality?
Is not seeing something sufficient to suspect it is real? Is not touching something rather good evidence that it exists?
To deny that our senses gauge a certain reality is Nihilism, the admission that we are incapable of gauging reality at all. It is a hopeless and empty conclusion, and philosophically suspect, to say the least.
What sense have you that makes you recognize god that I don't have? What is this ability to perceive that is foreign to me? Have you some special bodily organs that enable you to enjoy god? Like taste buds for god?
Or do you have some special mental or emotional function that I do not? I admit it's possible.
DF
What is wrong with using our senses and our reason to determine reality?
Is not seeing something sufficient to suspect it is real? Is not touching something rather good evidence that it exists?
To deny that our senses gauge a certain reality is Nihilism, the admission that we are incapable of gauging reality at all. It is a hopeless and empty conclusion, and philosophically suspect, to say the least.
What sense have you that makes you recognize god that I don't have? What is this ability to perceive that is foreign to me? Have you some special bodily organs that enable you to enjoy god? Like taste buds for god?
Or do you have some special mental or emotional function that I do not? I admit it's possible.
DF
http://entertainment.timesonli...s/article6805656.ece
The opening salvo in the destruction of Creationism.
About time, and well done, sir.
DF
The opening salvo in the destruction of Creationism.
About time, and well done, sir.
DF
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ka-o,
What is wrong with using our senses and our reason to determine reality?
Is not seeing something sufficient to suspect it is real? Is not touching something rather good evidence that it exists?
To deny that our senses gauge a certain reality is Nihilism, the admission that we are incapable of gauging reality at all. It is a hopeless and empty conclusion, and philosophically suspect, to say the least.
What sense have you that makes you recognize god that I don't have? What is this ability to perceive that is foreign to me? Have you some special bodily organs that enable you to enjoy god? Like taste buds for god?
Or do you have some special mental or emotional function that I do not? I admit it's possible.
Yes.
DF
If it's a mental function, I'm curious. If it's emotional, I pity you.
DF
DF
It's spiritual some thing you ,I am afraid will never understand.
Hi K-O:
Please allow me to interject something into your conversation.
Religion, the experience of knowing god, is not attained by feeling, or by any extra senses possessed by the religionist. Rather it is found in the mind. It is in your thoughts, not in your feeling or from your physical senses, that you discover all the true assurances of eternal reality which you will ever get.
Religion is, in the final analysis, the experience of the consciousness of divinity, as experienced by that individual, thru the medium of the mind. Words on paper, or in books, do not constitute religion. It is only the unlocking of the meaning of these words within your mind that you approach god.
This is why human beings around the world, taking their religious teachings from all kinds of weird and wonderful books (Bible, Koran, Rig-Veda, urantia etc…) are all, individually, approaching the same god. All of the formulized religions of the world are valid, but only in as much as they bring their individual believers closer to the eternal.
Deep does not find god within his own personal experience, not because he can’t, but because he chooses not to. He is not incapable, merely unwilling. In a way, he is just as trapped as those science-rejecting fundamentalists against whom he rails… he is unwilling to look beyond his material mind to discover those cosmic realities which are just as available to him as to any other normal minded individual on this crazy little world.
And Deep, those realities are Love, and Truth. Do I know the meaning of real Truth, or have I mastered the art of pure Love? No way! But, within my own small way, I have begun the long journey towards these values. And you can too. Look within. Ask yourself, what is the significance of goodness? The recognition of values is just as real as the recognition of “things”, except on a higher and more spiritual level.
It’s a beginning…
Al
Please allow me to interject something into your conversation.
Religion, the experience of knowing god, is not attained by feeling, or by any extra senses possessed by the religionist. Rather it is found in the mind. It is in your thoughts, not in your feeling or from your physical senses, that you discover all the true assurances of eternal reality which you will ever get.
Religion is, in the final analysis, the experience of the consciousness of divinity, as experienced by that individual, thru the medium of the mind. Words on paper, or in books, do not constitute religion. It is only the unlocking of the meaning of these words within your mind that you approach god.
This is why human beings around the world, taking their religious teachings from all kinds of weird and wonderful books (Bible, Koran, Rig-Veda, urantia etc…) are all, individually, approaching the same god. All of the formulized religions of the world are valid, but only in as much as they bring their individual believers closer to the eternal.
Deep does not find god within his own personal experience, not because he can’t, but because he chooses not to. He is not incapable, merely unwilling. In a way, he is just as trapped as those science-rejecting fundamentalists against whom he rails… he is unwilling to look beyond his material mind to discover those cosmic realities which are just as available to him as to any other normal minded individual on this crazy little world.
And Deep, those realities are Love, and Truth. Do I know the meaning of real Truth, or have I mastered the art of pure Love? No way! But, within my own small way, I have begun the long journey towards these values. And you can too. Look within. Ask yourself, what is the significance of goodness? The recognition of values is just as real as the recognition of “things”, except on a higher and more spiritual level.
It’s a beginning…
Al
Are you the definition of a secular humanist? I don't know why so many people argue on this forum. Mr. Gray has studied a great deal, so that probably makes him believe that he knows more than anybody else, but Mr. DF seems pretty smart too. Who's a simple, God-fearing, Christian white woman supposed to believe?
quote:Who's a simple, God-fearing, Christian white woman supposed to believe?
The person who supports their statements with empirical evidence. Quoting the Bible is not presenting empirical evidence unless you corroborate those biblical proclamations with outside evidence. For example, the Gospel stories about Christ which were not written for decades after his alleged death cannot be accepted as historical fact. There are no historical documents from the period when Christ allegedly lived that mention the Gospel events of Christ's life.
Hey Punkin:
I assume you were talking to me??
What you should believe is what your heart tells you to believe. The coolest thing about Pentecost was that Jesus, in his ascension to the Father, gave to mankind the spirit of truth. This spirit of truth will unfailing works in conjunction with the adjutant universe spirits of wisdom and worship to point you in the right direction. All you have to do is be willing!
Remember that the realist things in life are those which exhibit an up-reach towards eternal values. The highest thing you can take away from this short life is the ideal of the fatherhood of god and the brotherhood of man… the actual life teachings of your Master. The best way to experientially learn this high ideal is by attempting to live your life as a reflection of these ideals.
Punkin, it is not nearly so important what you believe as how you live your life. God answers the soul’s attitude, and not the words. One’s theology can be totally off, and yet that individual can still have a valid religious experience. This is why I have high confidence that Deep and the other individuals who have been deemed “lost” by some here at this forum will indeed survive death with us, and continue to delight us with their unique characters as we progress together into an eternity of adventure, service and perfection attainment, even to that sublime attainment of finding and knowing god.
Respectfully
Al
I assume you were talking to me??
What you should believe is what your heart tells you to believe. The coolest thing about Pentecost was that Jesus, in his ascension to the Father, gave to mankind the spirit of truth. This spirit of truth will unfailing works in conjunction with the adjutant universe spirits of wisdom and worship to point you in the right direction. All you have to do is be willing!
Remember that the realist things in life are those which exhibit an up-reach towards eternal values. The highest thing you can take away from this short life is the ideal of the fatherhood of god and the brotherhood of man… the actual life teachings of your Master. The best way to experientially learn this high ideal is by attempting to live your life as a reflection of these ideals.
Punkin, it is not nearly so important what you believe as how you live your life. God answers the soul’s attitude, and not the words. One’s theology can be totally off, and yet that individual can still have a valid religious experience. This is why I have high confidence that Deep and the other individuals who have been deemed “lost” by some here at this forum will indeed survive death with us, and continue to delight us with their unique characters as we progress together into an eternity of adventure, service and perfection attainment, even to that sublime attainment of finding and knowing god.
Respectfully
Al
quote:Originally posted by Punkin:
Are you the definition of a secular humanist? I don't know why so many people argue on this forum. Mr. Gray has studied a great deal, so that probably makes him believe that he knows more than anybody else, but Mr. DF seems pretty smart too. Who's a simple, God-fearing, Christian white woman supposed to believe?
Punkin,
What ever you do, don't let these atheist forum of fools that have hijacked this forum sway you in what you feel and know in your heart. Be not deceived for they have no genuine care for you. Only a big empty hole through the middle of them of doubt, disbelief and hate for some bad hand of cards dealt out by life. They only pin point certain items never taking in all the facts.For example
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DavidMiles:For example, the Gospel stories about Christ which were not written for decades after his alleged death cannot be accepted as historical fact. There are no historical documents from the period when Christ allegedly lived that mention the Gospel events of Christ's life.
Hmmmmm what about the prophecy of the coming of Christ in the old testament history???? Reckon that was just a fable?? I'm sure the coyotes will spin it in that direction, based on the huge amount of historical "DOCUMENTATION" that they have supporting evol......OHOHOH thats right there is no historical documentation not even a shred to support evolution!! I think the following scripts explain it well enough....
# 1 Corinthians 1:25
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Hey Punkin:
Looks like this was about to get lost in the shuffle...
What you should believe is what your heart tells you to believe. The coolest thing about Pentecost was that Jesus, in his ascension to the Father, gave to mankind the spirit of truth. This spirit of truth will unfailing works in conjunction with the adjutant universe spirits of wisdom and worship to point you in the right direction. All you have to do is be willing!
Remember that the realist things in life are those which exhibit an up-reach towards eternal values. The highest thing you can take away from this short life is the ideal of the fatherhood of god and the brotherhood of man… the actual life teachings of your Master. The best way to experientially learn this high ideal is by attempting to live your life as a reflection of these ideals.
Punkin, it is not nearly so important what you believe as how you live your life. God answers the soul’s attitude, and not the words. One’s theology can be totally off, and yet that individual can still have a valid religious experience. This is why I have high confidence that Deep and the other individuals who have been deemed “lost” by some here at this forum will indeed survive death with us, and continue to delight us with their unique characters as we progress together into an eternity of adventure, service and perfection attainment, even to that sublime attainment of finding and knowing god.
Respectfully:
Al
Looks like this was about to get lost in the shuffle...
What you should believe is what your heart tells you to believe. The coolest thing about Pentecost was that Jesus, in his ascension to the Father, gave to mankind the spirit of truth. This spirit of truth will unfailing works in conjunction with the adjutant universe spirits of wisdom and worship to point you in the right direction. All you have to do is be willing!
Remember that the realist things in life are those which exhibit an up-reach towards eternal values. The highest thing you can take away from this short life is the ideal of the fatherhood of god and the brotherhood of man… the actual life teachings of your Master. The best way to experientially learn this high ideal is by attempting to live your life as a reflection of these ideals.
Punkin, it is not nearly so important what you believe as how you live your life. God answers the soul’s attitude, and not the words. One’s theology can be totally off, and yet that individual can still have a valid religious experience. This is why I have high confidence that Deep and the other individuals who have been deemed “lost” by some here at this forum will indeed survive death with us, and continue to delight us with their unique characters as we progress together into an eternity of adventure, service and perfection attainment, even to that sublime attainment of finding and knowing god.
Respectfully:
Al
quote:Deep does not find god within his own personal experience, not because he can’t, but because he chooses not to. He is not incapable, merely unwilling. In a way, he is just as trapped as those science-rejecting fundamentalists against whom he rails… he is unwilling to look beyond his material mind to discover those cosmic realities which are just as available to him as to any other normal minded individual on this crazy little world.
Al, you're talking in circles.
The "cosmic realities", plural, of which you speak are the issue at hand. We humans make them up wholesale. They are not realities, but fictions determined by culture. They are not paths to the truth. They are paths to superstition, ignorance, disordered thinking, division, and hatred.
Truth and love? Religion fosters neither. Religion is antithetical to both.
DF
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
First Buster calls me a fool, then goes on to say there is not a shred of evidence for evolution.
Now, that's funny, I don't care who you are.
DF
First Buster calls me a fool, then goes on to say there is not a shred of evidence for evolution.
Now, that's funny, I don't care who you are.
DF
Hi Deep:
Values are just as real as physical things, except on a different and higher spiritual level. Where the physical adventures of science end, the value lure of true religion begins.
And you are still confusing the formulized religions of the world with real religion, the experiential realization of sonship with god and brotherhood with mankind. Indeed the formulized religions of the world, the “name” religions have promoted and still do promote many strange ideas which are antithetical to the promotion of brotherly love amongst all mankind.
But such is life on an evolutionary world! Take a longer view. Mankind has made many amazing leaps forward in his million year sojourn on earth. At the present time, as you have so many times succinctly noted man’s spiritual concept of religion lags far behind his physical advances of science. But this is just a temporary phenomena, no matter how permanent it may appear to you. This world is quivering upon the brink of an amazing age of spiritual awakening. And you, my friend, are an integral part of it. Without you, and people like you the inevitable downfall of the evolutionary religions of fear would be long delayed. Without people like you, people of great moral courage, the dawn of the spiritual brotherhood of man would be forced to await even longer.
So I salute you Deep, you are doing mankind an incredible service in your battle against superstition.
Thank you:
Al
Values are just as real as physical things, except on a different and higher spiritual level. Where the physical adventures of science end, the value lure of true religion begins.
And you are still confusing the formulized religions of the world with real religion, the experiential realization of sonship with god and brotherhood with mankind. Indeed the formulized religions of the world, the “name” religions have promoted and still do promote many strange ideas which are antithetical to the promotion of brotherly love amongst all mankind.
But such is life on an evolutionary world! Take a longer view. Mankind has made many amazing leaps forward in his million year sojourn on earth. At the present time, as you have so many times succinctly noted man’s spiritual concept of religion lags far behind his physical advances of science. But this is just a temporary phenomena, no matter how permanent it may appear to you. This world is quivering upon the brink of an amazing age of spiritual awakening. And you, my friend, are an integral part of it. Without you, and people like you the inevitable downfall of the evolutionary religions of fear would be long delayed. Without people like you, people of great moral courage, the dawn of the spiritual brotherhood of man would be forced to await even longer.
So I salute you Deep, you are doing mankind an incredible service in your battle against superstition.
Thank you:
Al
Science has not and cannot prove how the world began. Scientists believe that all matter came from something so infinitesimal it's hard to wrap your mind around. Since that time, the entire universe has been expanding. What scientists don't know about the world/universe FAR outweighs what they DO know. If humans have been around for so many millions of years, as claimed by science, why have they made an impact on only the last several thousand years? Some questions will only be answered indefinitely when we die. For me, I'd rather err on the side of faith in Jesus Christ, than to err as an atheist. If I'm wrong, no worries for ANYBODY. If I'm right, no worries for me. As for others, . . .
quote:For me, I'd rather err on the side of faith in Jesus Christ, than to err as an atheist. If I'm wrong, no worries for ANYBODY. If I'm right, no worries for me. As for others, . . .
Jesus Christ, yes I have heard of him. He was that guy out of early Christian mythology who had such an inflated ego that he condemned anyone who did not accept him as their "Lord and Savior" to the worst possible torture for all of eternity.
"Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man."
punkin..dem athiest lie bad too. dey cotch from ole dawk
quote:Originally posted by davidnmiles:quote:For me, I'd rather err on the side of faith in Jesus Christ, than to err as an atheist. If I'm wrong, no worries for ANYBODY. If I'm right, no worries for me. As for others, . . .
Jesus Christ, yes I have heard of him. He was that guy out of early Christian mythology who had such an inflated ego that he condemned anyone who did not accept him as their "Lord and Savior" to the worst possible torture for all of eternity.
"Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man."
you thank it waz ego dave r u jus love to lie
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
If it's a mental function, I'm curious. If it's emotional, I pity you.
DF
i bet you gonner tell us de difrence twinxt de 2 ....huh defat...do it wifout lyin
quote:you thank it waz ego dave r u jus love to lie
No, irrationality, vindictiveness and cruelty played a part in his blatherings.
Watch them coyotes Buff.....they'll gang up on ya
wul whyed you lie an say ego huh?